Reagan didn’t remain silent on Poland
posted at 11:34 am on June 16, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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In mid-December 1981, the Polish government declared martial law, hoping to suppress the Solidarity uprising that started in Gdansk earlier that year. The Soviet puppet Wojciech Jaruzelski imprisoned thousands, including Solidarity leader Lech Walesa, and attempted to suppress self-determination by the Poles through force and intimidation. Then-President Ronald Reagan immediately reacted to the imposition of martial law by publicizing his conversation with Pope John Paul II the next day (emphases mine):
The President. “Your Holiness, I want you to know how deeply we feel about the situation in your homeland.”
“I look forward to the time when we can meet in person.”
“Our sympathies are with the people, not the government.”
Three days later, Reagan made his point crystal clear in a press conference:
All the information that we have confirms that the imposition of martial law in Poland has led to the arrest and confinement, in prisons and detention camps, of thousands of Polish trade union leaders and intellectuals. Factories are being seized by security forces and workers beaten.
These acts make plain there’s been a sharp reversal of the movement toward a freer society that has been underway in Poland for the past year and a half. Coercion and violation of human rights on a massive scale have taken the place of negotiation and compromise. All of this is in gross violation of the Helsinki Pact, to which Poland is a signatory.
It would be naive to think this could happen without the full knowledge and the support of the Soviet Union. We’re not naive. We view the current situation in Poland in the gravest of terms, particularly the increasing use of force against an unarmed population and violations of the basic civil rights of the Polish people.
Violence invites violence and threatens to plunge Poland into chaos. We call upon all free people to join in urging the Government of Poland to reestablish conditions that will make constructive negotiations and compromise possible.
Certainly, it will be impossible for us to continue trying to help Poland solve its economic problems while martial law is imposed on the people of Poland, thousands are imprisoned, and the legal rights of free trade unions — previously granted by the government — are now denied. We’ve always been ready to do our share to assist Poland in overcoming its economic difficulties, but only if the Polish people are permitted to resolve their own problems free of internal coercion and outside intervention.
Our nation was born in resistance to arbitrary power and has been repeatedly enriched by immigrants from Poland and other great nations of Europe. So we feel a special kinship with the Polish people in their struggle against Soviet opposition to their reforms.
The Polish nation, speaking through Solidarity, has provided one of the brightest, bravest moments of modern history. The people of Poland are giving us an imperishable example of courage and devotion to the values of freedom in the face of relentless opposition. Left to themselves, the Polish people would enjoy a new birth of freedom. But there are those who oppose the idea of freedom, who are intolerant of national independence, and hostile to the European values of democracy and the rule of law.
Two Decembers ago, freedom was lost in Afghanistan; this Christmas, it’s at stake in Poland. But the torch of liberty is hot. It warms those who hold it high. It burns those who try to extinguish it.
Note what Reagan did not do. He didn’t say we needed to declare war on Poland, the reductio ad absurdum offered as a criticism of conservatives by progressives intent on defending Barack Obama’s weak response. Reagan kept his options close to the vest, both in this statement and during the subsequent questions asked by reporters at the presser. Reagan chose to stand for freedom and to publicly support those taking great physical risks in demanding it, keeping the pressure on the oppressors.
Compare that to the reaction that came three days later from Barack Obama during a somewhat similar (although not completely analogous) crisis in Iran:
Obviously all of us have been watching the news from Iran. And I want to start off by being very clear that it is up to Iranians to make decisions about who Iran’s leaders will be; that we respect Iranian sovereignty and want to avoid the United States being the issue inside of Iran, which sometimes the United States can be a handy political football — or discussions with the United States.
Having said all that, I am deeply troubled by the violence that I’ve been seeing on television. I think that the democratic process — free speech, the ability of people to peacefully dissent — all those are universal values and need to be respected. And whenever I see violence perpetrated on people who are peacefully dissenting, and whenever the American people see that, I think they’re, rightfully, troubled.
My understanding is, is that the Iranian government says that they are going to look into irregularities that have taken place. We weren’t on the ground, we did not have observers there, we did not have international observers on hand, so I can’t state definitively one way or another what happened with respect to the election.
But what I can say is that there appears to be a sense on the part of people who were so hopeful and so engaged and so committed to democracy who now feel betrayed. And I think it’s important that, moving forward, whatever investigations take place are done in a way that is not resulting in bloodshed and is not resulting in people being stifled in expressing their views.
Now, with respect to the United States and our interactions with Iran, I’ve always believed that as odious as I consider some of President Ahmadinejad’s statements, as deep as the differences that exist between the United States and Iran on a range of core issues, that the use of tough, hard-headed diplomacy — diplomacy with no illusions about Iran and the nature of the differences between our two countries — is critical when it comes to pursuing a core set of our national security interests, specifically, making sure that we are not seeing a nuclear arms race in the Middle East triggered by Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon; making sure that Iran is not exporting terrorist activity. Those are core interests not just to the United States but I think to a peaceful world in general.
We will continue to pursue a tough, direct dialogue between our two countries, and we’ll see where it takes us. But even as we do so, I think it would be wrong for me to be silent about what we’ve seen on the television over the last few days.
And what I would say to those people who put so much hope and energy and optimism into the political process, I would say to them that the world is watching and inspired by their participation, regardless of what the ultimate outcome of the election was. And they should know that the world is watching.
And particularly to the youth of Iran, I want them to know that we in the United States do not want to make any decisions for the Iranians, but we do believe that the Iranian people and their voices should be heard and respected.
Reagan took a stand on freedom, where Obama sounds desperate for engagement with the forces of oppression. Germany’s Angela Merkel took a much tougher stand than Obama did, calling the oppression “totally unacceptable,” while all Obama can say is that it’s “deeply troubling”.
It’s the difference between leadership and management. Reagan led, and he inspired the Poles to continue the struggle that eventually helped free half of Europe from iron-fisted domination by the Soviet Union. Obama wants to manage the crisis to keep from having to lead. Big, big difference.
Update: Don’t miss the Twitterview between Jake Tapper and John McCain on this topic. Key takeaway:
TAPPER: @SenJohnMcCain what would u say were u president? how much of a concern wd it be that “the west” supporting protestors cd be demonized? Thx
MCCAIN: @jaketapper we heard that during the Cold War when the left didn’t want us criticizing the Soviet Union b/c we could have been “demonized”
TAPPER: @SenJohnMcCain i had a feeling the memory of jailed russian dissidents hearing Reagan speak about them wd be something u were thinking about
MCCAIN: @jaketapper USA always stands for freedom and democracy!!
TAPPER: @SenJohnMcCain WH says it needs to focus on Iran’s nuke program/support for terror, must deal w Iran we have not 1 we wish we had. response?
TAPPER: @senjohnmccain to translate from twitterese: WH says “We have to deal with the Iran we HAVE, not the one we WISH we had”
MCCAIN: @jaketapper that’s revisiting the cold war arguments on how we dealt with the Soviet Union
MCCAIN: @jaketapper – we must stand strong for democracy in Iran as we stood for Democracy in Poland, Germany, and Czechoslovakia
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so Barry Hussein is NO Ronald Reagen…..we already knew that….now Hugo Chavez…..
SDarchitect on June 16, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Reagan was a man, not some arugula-chomping pantywaist.
JammieWearingFool on June 16, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Being tripped up once again by Iran, Poor President Carter…oh, wait…
ChrisB on June 16, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Does no one have phones anymore?
Twitterview? What a retarded way to do anything.
lorien1973 on June 16, 2009 at 11:38 AM
BO is a mamby pamby.. He is oh so worried about how the WORLD perceives him, he won’t do anything.
reshas1 on June 16, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Awesome.
Ferris on June 16, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Barry Hussein isn’t even Reagan’s left over tuna casserole…
Wolftech on June 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM
The Tapper-McCain interaction summarizes why I voted for McCain; I, like most of the commenters here didn’t like his vacuousness on economic matters and his squishiness on domestic issues, but I never doubted that he values freedom and would stand up to tyrants.
Later on in the exchange, I see that McCain calls the North Korea ship policy as a “half measure.”
Fallen Sparrow on June 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Obama loves the chaos. He wants more of it. So he’ll do what he can to extend it for all it’s worth.
beatcanvas on June 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM
In Reagan’s darkest days as he wasted away from Alzheimers disease he could still make a better statement than our current Socialist wonderboy could ever make about anything.
ObamatheMessiah on June 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM
No kidding, this:
is awful.
Jake, you’ve got this thing grownup thing called EMAIL that allows for things called “sentences”.
USE IT.
Skywise on June 16, 2009 at 11:44 AM
President Reagan was the best and Mr. Obama seems unprepared for the world he is facing. Between the faltering economy and the inability to portray the United States as anything other than a mildly interested by-stander, we become more insignificant by the day.
Cindy Munford on June 16, 2009 at 11:45 AM
The criticism of Obama’s response has been too simplistic. There are many extremely important differences between this situation and Poland, the most obvious of which is that Iran is heading toward nukes and so any unintended results of what Obama says could be disastrous. Another, by the way, is that as much as we like to hear that Ahmedinejad is being challenged and that there’s a revolution, it’s not clear that Moussavi is much better, and may in fact be a step back if he gives Iran cover by claiming that reforms are coming while they go full speed ahead with the nukes.
In any case, here’s an interesting take by a conservative who supports Obama’s response. It’s worth taking a look before railing against him with 100% certainty that he’s doing the wrong thing. http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/06/15/silence-is-golden/
tneloms on June 16, 2009 at 11:45 AM
He’ll love the chaos on the next tea party day. He is a clueless fool. Jammie got it right on O
bluegrass on June 16, 2009 at 11:46 AM
there are those on the lew rockwell right that would Condem Reagan for doing this, and did so. Just as today they condem any condemnation of any despot country on moral relativism grounds(How would we feel if they condemned us..)
jp on June 16, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Reagan cared about the rest of the world in addition to the United States, but the media portrayed the reverse.
Obama doesn’t give a damn about the rest of the world, nor even really the United States, but the media portrays the reverse.
MadisonConservative on June 16, 2009 at 11:47 AM
LOL!! Can you see it in the history books? Of the Congressional Record. It’s name matches our president.
Cindy Munford on June 16, 2009 at 11:47 AM
I listen to pundits so BO has to tread lightly with Iran. Taking all contingencies into account. A real leader would back the people and dare the regime to make a move. At least for the short term we are still the most powerful country on earth (until the One finishes with us).
Remember: worms don’t have spines!
HoustonRight on June 16, 2009 at 11:47 AM
“Our sympathies are with the people, not the government.” – Reagan
Obama can be tough too – on private investors:
“I don’t stand with them (bond holders). I stand with Chrysler’s employees (UAW), management and suppliers.
I don’t with stand with those who held out when everybody else made sacrifices.”
forest on June 16, 2009 at 11:48 AM
What silence? I thought he already claimed responsibility for “robust debate”?
eforhan on June 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Reagan said something THE NEXT DAY? How dare he waste such precious time.
And comparing Poland to Iran?
Stretttttttttttttttttttttch some more.
Dave Rywall on June 16, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Just what big sacrifice did the UAW make. The workers gave alittle not the leadership. Seems to me they got a large chunk of a huge company.
HoustonRight on June 16, 2009 at 11:52 AM
What a useless sack Obama is.
flipflop on June 16, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Yeah but Reagan was against totalitarian repressive regimes.
jukin on June 16, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Let’s not get confused here.
The protesters are not standing for democracy.
Either side have “Death to America” signs.
faraway on June 16, 2009 at 11:52 AM
I’m just glad Sarah Palin isn’t a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
/SARC
gwelf on June 16, 2009 at 11:52 AM
twitterview? – Not cool, dumbing down of the World. If you cannot read more than 140 characters pick up a book imho.
*please no long knives* lol
saus on June 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM
OMG lollerz Amrka need to std up fo freedom LOLOL k thx bye
What the f*** world am I living in?
LibTired on June 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM
tneloms on June 16, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Soviet Union had nukes. Remember the Cold War?
Reagan didn’t let the fact there were Soviet ICBMs aimed at the U.S. at that moment deter him from standing up for freedom.
Obama lets the possibility of a hope that we can influence Iran on nukes keep him from appearing “confrontational.”
I’m afraid there’s another difference. Reagan won the Cold War, and Poland gained freedom. Despite my best hopes, I strongly suspect we will see a nuclear-armed Iran in the near future, meaning that Obama’s stated strategy (unlike Reagan’s) will be unsuccessful.
cs89 on June 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM
The comparison between Reagan and Obama is sooo stark. With the issues on the table much more grave then than now, Reagan made a stand for freedom in clear and unambiguous terms.
Obama has clenched his words in namby-pamby generalities that allow him to back out. Thank you Neville Chamberlain.
itsspideyman on June 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Out of curiosity, how strong was Bush I’s response to the revolutions of 1989? I have my ideas, but I wasn’t terribly politically active at the time (being a kid and all) and probably shouldn’t go assuming.
It may be significant, given Brent Scowcroft’s ties to Obama.
Siobhan on June 16, 2009 at 11:55 AM
tneloms on June 16, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Obama is the man who doesn’t “let a good crisis go to waste”. So why can’t he make a statement supporting the cause of freedom?
itsspideyman on June 16, 2009 at 11:56 AM
I am pretty sure the point is that there are things that can be said to the support the people. If silence impresses you I guess there isn’t much to be said. Leading by omission, interesting strategy.
Cindy Munford on June 16, 2009 at 11:56 AM
We shouldn’t so much try to help Mousavi gain power, as to take the 2 to 3 million Iranians protesting in Tehran and start a Revolution with a little support from us to overthrow the entire Theocracy once and for all.
jp on June 16, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Cindy Munford on June 16, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Good point. Lead by shutting up. Great idea.
itsspideyman on June 16, 2009 at 11:57 AM
I bet you agreed with Neville Chamberlain also.
chemman on June 16, 2009 at 11:57 AM
I never understood, until now, how great Reagan was. I never understood, until now, how deplorable Obama would be.
ihasurnominashun on June 16, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Come now, what’s up with HA’s continual whitewashing of Mir Hossein Mousavi? This guy is no Lech Walesa. I mean, he was the PM of Iran when Reagan had to deal with them silkworms shooting up our oil tankers.
year_of_the_dingo on June 16, 2009 at 11:59 AM
The media is so much to blame for all that is wrong in this country. For more prove just read the headline on Drudge right now. People have got to wise up and boycott these lying bastards. Charlie Gibson should do an interview with Dick Chaney and squat on national TV and show the world the lack of any balls on his part. I’ll not be watching that bias horse shit on ABC.
bluegrass on June 16, 2009 at 12:00 PM
I’m not suprised that a magazine that compared Rudy Guiliani to Nazi’s a year ago on its cover and has a long history of dislike for Israel and ‘the jews’ along with Pat Buchanans dispicable WW2 book last year…that they would rationalize Obama’s doing nothing approach.
jp on June 16, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Any dissent is a begining. Baby steps.
Cindy Munford on June 16, 2009 at 12:01 PM
I have that picture of Reagan framed and hanging in my office. I put it up when people kept trying to tell me how dreamy Obama was during the campaigne. It let people know I wasn’t really impressed with Barry.
BuckNutty on June 16, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Forget about Obama being anything like President Reagan. Obama wouldn’t want to be like him so he would never attempt to emulate him. But what of leaders that Obama does profess to admire? How would they rate Obama’s performance here?
What would Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandella or Mahatma Ghandi think of Obama’s failure to give any sort of encouragement to the people of Iran? These men actually put their bodies, freedom, and lives on the line for what they believed in. Obama hasn’t even the courage to lend his voice from half a world away.
DamnCat on June 16, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Folks, this is no West-loving freedom movement.
Think Hitler vs. Stalin.
Reagan would back neither.
faraway on June 16, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Get a copy of this: http://inthefaceofevil.com
jp on June 16, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Ed,
Solidarity had a leader in Lech Walesa. The Iranian students do not – unless you count the moderate Mullah Mousavi – and it’s unclear if they’re a majority. The population of Iran is 70 million and despite constant assertions to the contrary there are many devout Muslims living there.
aengus on June 16, 2009 at 12:03 PM
If a destablized iran was in our best interest he most certainly would and 2 to 3 Million Iranians in the streets of Tehran is the makings of a Revolution. All they need is a Few Million thrown their way and its own, and we may well get rid of the Theocracy finally.
jp on June 16, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Good God but I miss Reagan.
crazy_legs on June 16, 2009 at 12:05 PM
He would back the people. The ones who say they want freedom. If they can learn to have the courage to speak out what would be so wrong?
Cindy Munford on June 16, 2009 at 12:05 PM
President Bush was extremely cautious during the Eastern European revolutions of 1989. His oft repeated statement was that he wanted a “Europe whole and free.” This was intentionally an echo of Gorbachev’s stated foreign policy goal of “a common European Home.” Bush was principally concerned with protecting liberal elements (Gorbachev, Shevardnaze, Yakovelev) from a backlash by hardliners led by Ligachev. He did make a visit to Poland and Hungary during the summer, which had already moved substantially toward democracy. Hungary had adopted a multiparty constitution in late 88 and Poland had elections in June of 89 where Solidarity won almost every seat it contested. During the Velvet Revolution in Czechoslovakia and during the Wende in East Germany Bush was very guarded. He did not want to jeopardize the delicate negotiations going on behind the scenes between Genscher and Kohl and Gorbachev. I recommend this video about the 1989 revolutions, narrated by Kenneth Branaugh.
Ted Torgerson on June 16, 2009 at 12:06 PM
faraway on June 16, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Perhaps, and I can’t speak for Reagan (who could?), but he wouldn’t simply let it go by without making a statement of principle. He would stand individual freedom up as the moral goal of any resistance movement and remind both sides that they fight for the freedom of the people and not their political interests.
itsspideyman on June 16, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Didn’t you get the memo during the campaign? John McCain is too old to know how to use a phone, but Twitter more closely resembles his favorite mode of communication, the telegraph, so he’s cool with that.
Seriously, love the Twitterview.
smfoushee on June 16, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Okay but the sharp distinction between Machiavellian destabilisation on the one hand and sentimential neoconservative ideas about freedom movements on the other ought to be kept in mind. They’re not at all the same thing, and Iran is not Poland.
aengus on June 16, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Kind of interesting side note:
Of the sampled text Reagan had 447 words. Not one of them being ‘I’ or ‘me’, Obama on the other hand had 544 words and said ‘I’ or ‘me’ 16 times.
I find it very interesting that Reagan spoke for the country as a whole and all Obama can do is speak about himself. I realize it has been pointed out since he came on the scene it just seems to be becoming more prevalent.
anicshep on June 16, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Yeah, it’s weird, but it let’s you in on the convo. Think of it as a party line (do you remember those) with unlimited people, but you get to pick and choose which calls you want in on. Also, if everyone was “speaking” at once, it wouldn’t work.
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 12:08 PM
oboobi compared with/to reagan are you kidding.
SHARPTOOTH on June 16, 2009 at 12:08 PM
*snicker*
MadisonConservative on June 16, 2009 at 12:09 PM
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.”
Even those inspired words should not be the sole property of one Nation.
fourdeucer on June 16, 2009 at 12:09 PM
For those of you dissing Tapper for using Twitter, like it or not, it’s THE medium of choice right now. The “interview” was spontanious, not planned. He probably wasn’t even sure if McCain would respond.
teffertoes on June 16, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Regan spoke out, and he did not speak in Austrian.
Right_of_Attila on June 16, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Reagan was a statesman and a leader. Obama is a man-child and a panty-waist. He’s in way over his head and has no business being within 100 miles of the Oval Office. Thanks alot you “Hope & Change” idiots!
Redneck Woman on June 16, 2009 at 12:10 PM
That twitter is ‘of the moment’ i.e. a fad was, I thought, the objection to it.
aengus on June 16, 2009 at 12:11 PM
*Sigh* I miss Reagan. A LOT. I think common sense, American decency, and true leadership died with him.
teffertoes on June 16, 2009 at 12:12 PM
There was support for Saddam against Iran, since it was in our interest at the time and “Iran Contra”.
support for the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan against the Soviets, although they were Pro-Western atleast and then the central America stuff
he definitely would’ve atleast condemed a bogus election and the goals of the Iranian Regime
jp on June 16, 2009 at 12:12 PM
I think it’s disrespectful and it diminishes the opinions being expressed in the interview as well.
lorien1973 on June 16, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Palin is the closest we have to Reagan. I think they are naturally scared of any strong intelligent Woman . But she really scares the sh*t out of them because like Reagan she believes what she says and is consistent. They don`t know how to fight on that level .The one we have now is enept at best evil at worst, the votes still out on that.
LSUMama on June 16, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Thanks! Watching the video right now.
Siobhan on June 16, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Exactly correct. Obambi is trying to create his own repressive regime. Obambi hates freedom. Secretly he is pulling for the mullahs. He’s hoping that liberty is crushed, freedom is yanked, any hint of people choosing something for themselves is defeated. He doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the Iranian people. He is the polar opposite of Reagan.
johnnybgood on June 16, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Glad to know I’m not the only one who thinks “twittering” is moronic. Adolescents “twitter” for chrissakes. Senators and respectable journalists should use phones or freaking e-mail.
Mike Honcho on June 16, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Doubt if Reagan would have picked a leader to support in Iran, but I’d clearly think he would have spoken against apparently rigged elections and supported the voice of the people for an honest vote.
cs89 on June 16, 2009 at 12:15 PM
aengus on June 16, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Lets keep in mind that while there may be these two forces clashing right now in Iran there is another boiling pot there. Iran is one of the more educated countries in the Middle East. Having friends from Iran I know there is a real supressed yearning for western style freedom. I know, this is only antidotal information, and I have no hard evidence, but it exists.
No, I don’t expect suddenly tomorrow for Iran to become a democratic republic by revolution. But evolution can happen. Does anyone remember the impossibility of the Easern Bloc becoming democratic? Yet here it is.
If the Iron Curtain can fall, this can happen in Iran too.
itsspideyman on June 16, 2009 at 12:15 PM
This is the part of his message that bothers me most. The words say, tuff luck, you’re on your own, America isn’t in the freedom and liberty for all business this election cycle. The saddest part is that those in the streets demanding their votes be counted didn’t get the message.
But the sentiment behind it causes me to worry that the efforts that the Bush administration put into soft power behind the borders of Iran will be abandoned by Obama.
Texas Gal on June 16, 2009 at 12:17 PM
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.”
Even those inspired words should not be the sole property of one Nation.
fourdeucer on June 16, 2009 at 12:09 PM
AMEN! The whole point of the “Great Experiment” was that freedom was not decided by governments but our natural right as human beings. And yes, these ideals belong to all of us!
itsspideyman on June 16, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Disrespectful to whom? If McCain didn’t like it, he wouldn’t be on Twitter in the first place and didn’t have to answer Tapper’s questions.
teffertoes on June 16, 2009 at 12:19 PM
This is a silly analogy.
1) Poland is not Iran. The United States did not formerly overthrow a government in Poland and install a Shah. Poland did not have nuclear weapons. Poland did not consider the United States to be the “Great Satan.” There are all sorts of geo-political concerns in Iran that were NOT present in Poland at the time.
2)Mousavi is not asking for help from Obama and would probably be appalled if he offered it. Real change comes from within and is not imposed by outside forces. Either the people of Iran have the internal fortitude to change their government or they don’t. We will find out in a few days. Nothing the West has to say matters in the least.
Teresa on June 16, 2009 at 12:19 PM
I still remember where I was when Reagan made his famous Twitter:
LOL grbchv tear \/ that [] LOLLERZ
LibTired on June 16, 2009 at 12:20 PM
You are right. However, America can take a stand on principals. That is what the current administration is unwilling to do.
HoustonRight on June 16, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Sen Coburn twitters all the time. His stuff is extremely informative. It’s fine if it’s not your cup of tea, but implying that someone is not respectable for using it is short sighted. If our side of the aisle, as a whole, thinks that way, you can forget ever getting past the left in reaching the masses. Like it or not, this IS a huge way to reach people.
teffertoes on June 16, 2009 at 12:24 PM
I was just thinking about Poland in ‘81 last night. I posted an old Steve Taylor song about it on Facebook.
jgapinoy on June 16, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Apples and oranges. Communism was our sworn enemy back then. Islam is our majority religion and our current president’s BFF.
warden on June 16, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Reagan most likely would’ve funded a freedom movement in Iran to use the Millions protesting to start a revolution and overthrow completely the Theocracy and publicly stated the Theocracy was illigetimate and an Outlaw Regime to boot.
Since we probably aren’t doing this, hopefully Israel is. It wouldn’t take much at this point. It may be the last chance to stop them from getting a nuke
jp on June 16, 2009 at 12:26 PM
I know! Wow, man, it’s like the Soviets had 20,000 nukes and Iran may get 1 some day so, fer sure, Iran would be more disastrous!
jaime on June 16, 2009 at 12:28 PM
LibTired on June 16, 2009 at 12:20 PM
haha, very funny! thx.
saus on June 16, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Apples and oranges. Communism was our sworn enemy back then. Islam is our majority religion and our current president’s BFF.
warden on June 16, 2009 at 12:26 PM
All forms of oppression are our enemies.
fourdeucer on June 16, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Let’s see, Poland at the time… Eastern Bloc, Warsaw Pact country, closely allied with the other great superpower of the day…
Yep, no “geo-political concerns” there….
/sarc
cs89 on June 16, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Teresa on June 16, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Reagan did not and could not offer direct support to the Poland resistance. What he did do is offer them support for their most cherished belief; that the Polish people should be free to choose their own destiny.
We forget the impossibility of the freedom in the Soviet Bloc countries. The supression of rights were complete. The writers in the United States called Reagan naive, uninformed (i.e. stupid), and arrogant to believe that communism could be overthrown, and the best strategy was to learn to get along with the Soviets. Here we are, 20 years later, with a free Eastern Europe.
When Reagan made his “Tear Down this Wall” speech, the news spread like wildfire though the Stasi prison and gave political dissidents hope. They kept up the fight and freed their country.
The greatest revolutions can happen if just one man, the right man, makes a stand.
itsspideyman on June 16, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Leadership vs. mis-management.
FIFY, Ed.
Seriously, BHS needs to be a one-ermer, so we can have true American (no, I’m not saying BHS isn’t actually a citizen) President again.
Robust debate is when two parties have differing opinions and one wins.
Even hagglers at flea markets outshine Obama in this arena.
bluelightbrigade on June 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM
BHS = BHO
lol…take it any way u want tho
bluelightbrigade on June 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Are u kidding?
Jus tbecause you grew up in the 1990’s doesn’t mean you have to be a gross ignoramus concerning the cold war and it’s geo-political concerns.
Damn. Fuse & Blender are not places to get ur history.
bluelightbrigade on June 16, 2009 at 12:34 PM
bluelightbrigade on June 16, 2009 at 12:35 PM
*Sigh* I miss Reagan. A LOT. I think common sense, American decency, and true leadership died with him.
teffertoes on June 16, 2009 at 12:12 PM
I refuse to believe that and have met some encredible soldiers who prove that can`t be true. Not to mention alot of college students, who know they are going to have to step up and take the baton and run with it.
LSUMama on June 16, 2009 at 12:35 PM
itsspideyman,
That’s not saying much. There are still millions of illiterates in Iran. Not everyone is a university student.
This situation is fundamentally different. Nobody ever doubted that the Polish people would want democracy if the Russian soldiers left whereas we don’t knwo how many Iranians want sharia. Khomeini came to power in a popular revolution.
Also the Iranians have never had a democratic system. They held one election in 1953 and as soon as he Mossadegh won he seized dictatorical powers. You know the rest.
aengus on June 16, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Giving standing ovation!!
HoustonRight on June 16, 2009 at 12:36 PM
If Poland wasn’t a big deal back then, then why is Putin trying to pull countries back in the fold now?
Cindy Munford on June 16, 2009 at 12:38 PM
From Drudge:
Obama: ‘Not productive given history of U.S.-Iranian relations to be seen as meddling’…
Meddling? Really?
Clearly dealing with Iran is above Obama’s pay grade.
petefrt on June 16, 2009 at 12:39 PM
Yes but to take a more recent example, the Constitution of Iraq was written just four years ago by democratically elected Iraqi politicians and it contains two clauses that enshrine sharia into its politcial system. Iran has more in common with the Iraq of today than any Eastern European country of 20 years ago.
aengus on June 16, 2009 at 12:39 PM
You’re right. Some days I’m a little more pessimistic than others. :)
teffertoes on June 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM
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