Iranian mullahs agree to recount ballots
posted at 8:05 am on June 16, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
In yet another sign that the Iranian mullahcracy realizes the gravity of their error in their gross manipulation of the otherwise meaningless elections this past weekend, the Guardian Council has announced a ballot recount — although not yet an annulment of the election, as protestors have demanded. As the protests have spiraled into a street movement, the mullahs have also seen disturbing signs within their power structure that indicates the pressure may have produced cracks in their safety net:
Iran’s powerful Guardian Council says it is ready to recount disputed votes from Friday’s presidential poll.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s re-election is being contested by rival Mir Hossein Mousavi and other moderate candidates, who are seeking a rerun.
The BBC’s Jon Leyne in Tehran says they may not accept the recount offer.
Several people died in a protest on Monday and Mr Mousavi urged followers not to take part in a rally planned for Tuesday, amid fears of new violence.
“This headquarters calls on people to avoid the trap of planned clashes,” a Mousavi spokesman told AFP news agency.
The planned clashes may not have worked out as well as the mullahs would have liked, in any case. According to the Washington Times translation of a Cyrus News Agency report, a handful of the elite troops of the Guardian Council were arrested, apparently for sympathizing with the protests:
Tuesday morning 16 senior members of Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps were arrested. “These commanders have been in contact with members of the Iranian army to join the people’s movement,” CNA reports. “Three of the commanders are veterans of Iran-Iraq war. They have been moved to an undisclosed location in East Tehran.” This report has not been confirmed by other sources. If true, it shows that the regime is losing the loyalty of some members of its control appartus, which is necessary if the opposition has any chance of achieving fundamental change.
These protests will go nowhere if the Revolutionary Guard remains loyal, and the mullahs have done everything they can to ensure it. The RG gets the best the Iranians can offer, and is a passport to wealth and power in Iranian society. The US has tried to put the entire Revolutionary Guard on the State Department list of terror-supporting organizations for its profiteering in the terrorism trade (which Congress stopped, thanks in no small part to then-Senator Barack Obama), to give an idea of their power and influence in Iran.
The arrest of “16 senior members” won’t break the RG, but it’s an event that could indicate a trend away from the mullahcracy. If more arrests follow, the RG may wind up fatally compromised, and the mullahs will have to act quickly to secure their position — possibly by hanging the entire mess on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and tossing him to the mobs.
If they give the election to Mirhossein Mousavi, don’t expect much of a change. The ironic part of the entire crisis is that Mousavi wouldn’t have been appreciably different from Ahmadinejad, except perhaps in tone. The Guardian Council approved Mousavi’s presence on the ballot not out of a desire for plurality but because they knew he’d kowtow to them. Rigging the election, especially in the clumsy manner in which the mullahs did it, was hardly necessary to continue their grip on power. The only way the mullah’s power would have been threatened is if they did exactly what they did in this election.










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Limerick says Andy’s in Moscow. Maybe he’ll extend his trip for a few days to see which way the wind is blowing.
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 8:09 AM
If it happens, “Meet the New Boss. Same as the Old Boss.”
kingsjester on June 16, 2009 at 8:09 AM
QUICK! Send in Jimmy Carter to validate the election!
Oh MAN would that be the coolest photo op EVARH! Decrepit ex-Pres who was brought down by Iranian hostage crisis stands in front of US Embassy in Tehran 30yrs later (it still has “DEATH TO AMERICA” painted all over it), and claims Iranian election is valid.
Man, I’d pay money to see that on pay-per-view
scottm on June 16, 2009 at 8:09 AM
That old yarn about “who counts the votes” comes to mind.
Any result will be clouded in suspicion until they allow independent supervisors to observe the process.
Siobhan on June 16, 2009 at 8:09 AM
Then why would Dinnerjacket travel to Russia yesterday? He doesn’t seem too concerned about being tossed anywhere.
Limerick on June 16, 2009 at 8:10 AM
There is a valuable lesson here; substitute ACORN Mob for Iranian Mullahs and we have a preview of 2012 presidential election.
Good news nonetheless for Iran; the world should wear green in solidarity!
IntheNet on June 16, 2009 at 8:11 AM
Call me skepitcal at this point. Are they really going to recount and say, oh guess what that overwhelming victory for our stooge Dinnerjacket was really in favor of the other guy? And it was not blessed by Allah?
Mr. Joe on June 16, 2009 at 8:12 AM
What’s the point of a recount? News accounts of the election reported that there were severe shortages of ballots in areas unfriendly to Dinner Jacket.
The entire fraud of an “election” needs to be invalidated.
NoDonkey on June 16, 2009 at 8:12 AM
Yep
Still going to acquire nuke tech
still going to support Hizb’allah and Hamas
Not much of a sea change thar
blatantblue on June 16, 2009 at 8:13 AM
possibly by hanging the entire mess on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and tossing him to the mobs.
well, hells bells, can we toss oboobi to the mob?…..it’s just a thought……….after all, he created a mess to, and he’s not finished…..
SHARPTOOTH on June 16, 2009 at 8:13 AM
Jimmy Carter could be the scapegoat for all the collective sins of the Mullahs, the left, the United States…well everyone in the world.
Mr. Joe on June 16, 2009 at 8:14 AM
http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2009/06/2009612102154262910.html
blatantblue on June 16, 2009 at 8:14 AM
Does any of this help Michelle Obama’s children? No. The nuclear threat is still very real.
SouthernGent on June 16, 2009 at 8:19 AM
Hmmm, I guess it’s time for me to come clean on my feeling about what’s going on in Iran right now.
I’m remembering 444 days that 52 American citizens were held hostage in Tehran and thinking… I sure do hope Iran tears itself apart and lots of Iranians die… Oh well I guess I am an evil person… Let the rioting and death in Iran continue….
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 8:21 AM
I’ll wait to get excited when or if higher numbers of Republican Guard turn on the regime.
myrenovations on June 16, 2009 at 8:23 AM
Maybe we should try to answer that question. Was he summoned by his patron/friend Putin to explain what’s going on? Was he going to get Russian support for his continued rule?
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 8:24 AM
yeah maybe, but a regime that rules by divine right has been shown to be worldly after all. I think that’s ultimately a game changer in that ultimately the theocracy loses legitimacy.
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 8:26 AM
Charlie Rose had a round table last night on the Iranian elections. It isn’t up on his web page yet but should be later today. A discussion about the ‘poll’ that Turks took of Iranian opinions in May. 90% wanted better relations with the west. 72% wanted Iranian guarantees given to the west about it’s nuclear program for improved trade. 52% wanted to recognize Israel’s right to exsist. I don’t know how scientific that poll was but hell, with attitudes like that we need to take every opportunity to get their voices heard. Sure, this Mousavi fella, ain’t going to stop the centrifuges, but a change in government would at least cause confusion and delay the Iranian bomb.
Limerick on June 16, 2009 at 8:27 AM
it looks like the iranians are expecting a little bit of change.
sesquipedalian on June 16, 2009 at 8:28 AM
Somehow, I don’t think even the incompetent Obama State Department would think that’s a good idea!
It just doesn’t matter, anyway. This is all a sham meant to pacify the unrest.
highhopes on June 16, 2009 at 8:29 AM
Why does everyone think that the world is holding its breath waiting reaction from the US. Russia and China have much more influence in Iran economically and possibly politically. It seems to me that it is in their benefit to keep the status quo. I mean….come on….oil rich nation with an economic retard at the helm.
genso on June 16, 2009 at 8:30 AM
The Russian FM (and I paraphrase here) ‘welcomed the Iranian President after his re-election’ and ‘showed that Russian-Iranian relations are moving forward’….
I’ll try to find the original link….brb
Limerick on June 16, 2009 at 8:30 AM
Maybe they could get a bunch of Cook County Illinois dems to count then.
I’ll give a “air of legitimacy” to the process.
Sorry. What was I thinking?
LtE126 on June 16, 2009 at 8:31 AM
You beat me to it..but in all seriousness, isn’t he meeting with Hamas today? He warned Israel that we are losing our patience with them and now he has to move on to Hamas to see what it is that we can do to make their job easier..
Pam on June 16, 2009 at 8:32 AM
Reuters on Russian visit
Limerick on June 16, 2009 at 8:33 AM
Nah, they’ve been beaten and killed in the streets before.
myrenovations on June 16, 2009 at 8:34 AM
The interesting thing is that most of Dinnerjackets supporters are older and less educated and for the most part were foot soldiers in the original revolution that over threw the Shah. Conversely the reformists are made up of the children of these people who grew up after the revolution and are for the most part chaffing under the heavy handed control of the mullahs and the restrictions placed upon them by the older generations. These kids are well educated and yearn for a free and democratic society that is more western in nature sort of like Turkey.
Dreadnought223 on June 16, 2009 at 8:36 AM
Tks. One thing I don’t get is that if Russia is successful in helping Iran get nuclear weapons, Iran threatens the Gulf oil fields and Azeri-Caspian oil. The Russians and Persians are historical competitors, not allies. And with the US looking so feckless and absent, sooner or later I would think Russia would have to think twice about helping empower Iran.
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 8:37 AM
To my earlier point. Russia is much more important to Iran than we are. And I don’t think Russia wants to help remove the political thorn in the side that Iran is to us.
genso on June 16, 2009 at 8:37 AM
Or else he’s looking for a nice, safe, landing place. Though I think he’s arrogant enough to not think that he’d get kicked out.
And while there’s really only a sliver of a difference between the two, at least a large segment of the Iranian population does seem to want some sort of change. And a change away from an apocalyptic anti-semite bound and determined to get a nuclear bomb is good, even if the only change is dropping the apocalyptic part.
rbj on June 16, 2009 at 8:37 AM
Or maybe, just maybe, this fascinating scenario will play out.
wccawa on June 16, 2009 at 8:38 AM
That depends on the people inside Iran. Many people have long seen the illegitimacy of the mullahs. They still haven’t been able to do anything about it.
Maybe if the protests go on longer and the Republican Guard turns, but that is only a maybe sort of thing. Illegitimate governments can hang on for quite a long time before they fall.
At this point, I’m rooting for full scale revolution and not just a change to a re-count that puts Mousavi in power.
myrenovations on June 16, 2009 at 8:39 AM
Russia is currently the economic salvation for Iran, along with China. Their influence in Iran might fall if Iran become more economically self-sustainable. That might explain the warm welcome from the Russians.
genso on June 16, 2009 at 8:40 AM
I want to see a huge “Where is Obama?” banner somewhere in the footage soon.
That would be great.
B Man on June 16, 2009 at 8:41 AM
That was interesting.
myrenovations on June 16, 2009 at 8:43 AM
Recount? Great, I found a bunch of Franken ballots in the back of my car.
forest on June 16, 2009 at 8:43 AM
Could be. There’s clearly a game going on–The Great Game in central Asia. Limerick’s reuters clip about the meeting in Ykaterinaburg is intriguing. The US doesn’t seem to be in the game.
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 8:43 AM
Yeah, it’s a puzzle. Russia considers Iran a cash cow and cash is the real power inside the Kremlin. The added benefit that Iran keeps American resources off of Putin’s Bolsheviks is ice cream on the cake. As far as Russia being afraid of the Iranian bomb, I don’t think so. Russia and China, unlike America, would blast Tehran to the moon if they were ever threatened. America just sits and waits for someone to kick her.
Limerick on June 16, 2009 at 8:44 AM
Would be nice.
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 8:45 AM
So Iran’s a cash cow to Russia, and we’re just a cow. Nice.
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 8:46 AM
We didn’t believe the first ballot total, am I supposed to be more inclined to believe the recount? They are absolutely terrible at this faux democracy stuff. At least North Korea has the stones to wear the citizens-oppressor badge without some poorly veiled attempt at “free” elections.
raxx on June 16, 2009 at 8:46 AM
Yeah, part of me thinks the same way. I was addicted to Nightline for years because of that.
However, I would much rather see this Iranian regime go the way of its predecessor rather than have them win and begin talks with our president.
cozmo on June 16, 2009 at 8:46 AM
How do you choose between Mousavi and Ahmadinejad? As Henry Kissinger famously said of the Iran/Iraq War, “It’s a shame they can’t both lose”.
It looks like the Mullahs may have figured out a way for both of these candidates to lose. I am rooting for whatever faction causes them the most trouble.
gridlock2 on June 16, 2009 at 8:47 AM
I’m not so sure. With the heavyhanded election fraud, th emullahs may have really stepped in it this time. It is possible that they are losing influence here.
Personally, I’d like to see Iran burn for a while, but serious destabilzation will work as well.
todler on June 16, 2009 at 8:47 AM
If that revolution resulted in the Islamic clergy getting butchered than I’m all for it, otherwise I’ll settle for lots and lots of bloodshed in the streets of Iran.
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 8:47 AM
I think we sometimes frame the debate from our own POV and leave out the other players. It’s time to admit that we aren’t the only straw that stirs the drink in the ME. Putin may be the one pulling the Mullahs strings on this and many other things for all we know.
genso on June 16, 2009 at 8:48 AM
Seems to be the same in N.Korea, the UN, Venez, Russia, etc. Maybe we’re fighting organized crime, and not traditional nation states who no longer operate in historical ways. I wonder if Obama can be bought. He seems to be all about money too, in the final analysis.
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 8:50 AM
If the Iranians were to come to their senses and reject Islamic rule then I might feel compassion for them. As long as the Mullahs continue to rule I hope they all kill themselves.
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 8:50 AM
Considering what has recently occured in Iraq and Afghanistan, we seem to wield surprisingly little influence. I was dismayed to hear that the gov’t of Iraq was among the first to congratulate Andy on his win.
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 8:52 AM
Excellent thought. That explains a lot of things that don’t make sense around the world.
genso on June 16, 2009 at 8:53 AM
Then why this ruse? It makes no sense. Unless the power at work here is Ahmadenijad?
Dash on June 16, 2009 at 8:53 AM
LOL, honestly, isn’t Obama simply demanding money for himself and his allies, day after day?
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 8:55 AM
It makes no sense, because you are thinking about it from the perspective of a western democracy.
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 8:55 AM
Hahahaha! Allahpundit changed his location to Tehran.
If you are sending tweets or RTing tweets about Iran, change your location and time zone to Iran to make it more difficult for those actually in Iran to be located by the police.
Blake on June 16, 2009 at 9:02 AM
You asked if Obama could be bought. Soros bought him. I wonder what kind of relationship Soros has with Putin. I don’t think the CCP will play that game, though. It would cause them to give something up at a time when they are emerging as an economic power. I’ve often thought of the irony of China being an unexpected, unwilling ally to the people in this country.
genso on June 16, 2009 at 9:03 AM
Been there, done that. Fascinating stuff coming out of Iran today, but it looks like access is really getting cut off now.
wccawa on June 16, 2009 at 9:11 AM
oh snap, how did i forget that?
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM
Maybe he skipped town permanently because he had an idea about how this was going to play out.
Daggett on June 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM
It’s ballsy for sure. And at his meeting in Russia, be blasted the US publicly for our political and economic crisis.
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 9:18 AM
If it were a few thousand in the street in several cities I would concur. But millions? With these numbers things have a way of spinning out of control.
In fact these are the demands now circulating:
Seven Demands
Michael J. Totten – 06.16.2009 – 6:37 AM
Demonstrators in Iran distributed seven demands in print yesterday.
1. Dismissal of Khamenei for not being a fair leader
2. Dismissal of Ahmadinejad for his illegal acts
3. Temporary appointment of Ayatollah Montazeri as the Supreme Leader
4. Recognition of Mousavi as the President
5. Forming the Cabinet by Mousavi to prepare for revising the Constitution
6. unconditional and immediate release of all political prisoners
7. Dissolution of all organs of repression, public or secret
There’s no backing down now.
patrick neid on June 16, 2009 at 9:19 AM
No.
This is the Revolutionary Guard purging the weaklings. The Guard is the real power, Ahmadinejad is the front guy, the clerics serve only to keep the population under control.
The question is; how much power does Ahmadinejad, and the head mullet actually have?
If Mousavi dares to continue his challenge, it could get really bloody, but Mousavi has already committed, so his choices are limited to push on or flee the country.
Skandia Recluse on June 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM
ahh, so it’s their hobby, i see.
sesquipedalian on June 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM
Says it all right there. They’re contributors to the Necktie Party.
tree hugging sister on June 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM
Little by little, the real power structure is being revealed. But the public revelation of what’s what is in itself disempowering. Andy and the Mullets may continue to reign, but it looks like rain.
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 9:31 AM
Good stuff. Always want to keep in mind how this can help stymie Obama. If it in any way lessens the Iranian threat to Israel, and forestalls or eliminates the need for war this year, it’s a win for the world, but a loss for Barry.
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM
And little by little, as our government fades on the world stage, we lose our voice and become more like the pawns massed in the streets of Tehran.
genso on June 16, 2009 at 9:39 AM
That’s what the people who elected Barry want- a comeuppance. I think he’s wildly successful, and delivers what he promises. If I was a supporter of his, I’d be very satisfied.
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 9:43 AM
To be sure.
genso on June 16, 2009 at 9:44 AM
its good the people are rioting. yes, i saw the list of demands above, but most rioters just riot because they are caught up in the moment.
i just want Iran exposed for what it is. not that our news organizations will show it, but the rest of the world might catch on.
kelley in virginia on June 16, 2009 at 9:48 AM
However, what good for the goose is good for the gander. He’s wildly successful because he governs for the benefit of specific groups only. Two can play at that game. Something tells me we ‘aint in Kansas anymore.
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 9:48 AM
And that the foreign press will be more willing and able to see Obama as the empty suit, out-of-his-depth neophyte that he is.
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 9:49 AM
Heh….and we’re being guided by strawmen and brainless mindbots and heartless cowards. Hey, that fits perfectly. Now, who is the man behind the curtain?
genso on June 16, 2009 at 9:54 AM
From the picture:
A man being beaten in Iran- the women are seen trying to intervene. If it were a woman being beaten in Iran would the men come to her aid?
I still don’t believe Mousavi will be an improvement. He led their secret police that was modeled after the KGB. Who else do we know who was KGB who at first looked appealing to our leaders and to journalists, oh, yeah, Putin.
What if part of this was conspired by the Mullahs, Mousavi and Ahmadinejad to rile the anger of the students against the West? The youth were softening towards us. I don’t think that will be the case with O’s silence and weak response. They will be repressed and their anger will be redirected towards US. Hope the State Department has told Immigration that new immigrants from Iran need to be carefully screened.
I do think thought that if was conspired that they misjudged the intense reaction of the people and that Mousavi is now taking advantage of that- which IMO is more dangerous. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing.
journeyintothewhirlwind on June 16, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Sounds as if Ahmadicknajihad has taken a page out of the Barack HUSSEIN Obama (PBUH)(SAW)(SWT) and Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Traitor Democratic Left’s Playbook from the 2000 election, courtesy Al Gore of course:
Count ONLY the “Democratic” votes, until we win!
No wonder the Anti-American/Democratic Traitor Left and Obama (PBUH) LOVE these guys…
Dale in Atlanta on June 16, 2009 at 9:57 AM
A little shit like you would think that.
Blake on June 16, 2009 at 9:58 AM
Agreeing to recount the Revolutionary Guard ballots until Ahmadinejad wins sounds fair to me.
Or they could count the votes cast at the Westin hotel in L.A. that’s also fair game.
Everything is fair and that is all that matters. The term legal appears not to have any standing or meaning.
MSGTAS on June 16, 2009 at 10:02 AM
and once the recount is complete, the Guardian Council will find that ahmadinejad won, not by 65% but by 79%…
runner on June 16, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Given that our government disregards our laws, why should we expect more from any other country?
genso on June 16, 2009 at 10:05 AM
Today President Obama termed the situation as disturbing.
“It’s takes my energy away from my important job of finding another way of getting MSNBC to film me during the day while fawning all over me. Of course, I’m just doing this for my fans.”
Jeff from WI on June 16, 2009 at 10:14 AM
I thought they burned the ballots.
Blake on June 16, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Recount the ballot??
Guess we can look forward to hanging Chadorah‘s?
coldwarrior on June 16, 2009 at 10:18 AM
What is the take here on the fact that Putin said because of scheduling conflicts he could not meet and greet Imadinnerjacket?
Even if this goes nowhere, the cracks in the RG, the fact that the mullahs have arrested 16 RG vets, these are signs which indicate that if not now, perhaps there could be changes in the future. The Iranian people as a whole, as reflected by Limerick’s Charlie Rose poll data, indicate the people are not happy with the current state of the country. Those are big numbers. Numbers I wish we would see here! Somehow I do not think this is going to come to a complete skreetching halt. The majority of the faces I saw were young, and they gave the impression they are fairly dedicated to this cause. For those of us who were young during Reagan’s campaign, just remember how passionate we were to get Reagan elected. And also toss in how passionate we were to get Rush heard on college campuses, and the growth of College Republican groups.
The Reagan comparison is different in ideology of course, but the passion we had was what I saw in the faces of these young Iranians. I for one hope they do not give up, and Mousavi I think in some ways is much like our choices in the Presidential election. He was not the best, but he sure was better overall than the other guy! He would do until we could get a real “Maverick” in place!
freeus on June 16, 2009 at 10:35 AM
1 for Mahmoud…. 2 for Mahmoud…. 3 for Mahmoud…. 4 for Mahmoud…
The head[case] ayatollahs rigged the entire election from the start… to prevent any real reformers from even getting on the initial ballots… so why is this farce even being taken seriously as an “election”?
It is a two way struggle of one group of religious despots over another.
Sam Giancanna’s boys versus Santos Trafficante’s boys, in beards and robes.
5 for Mahmoud…. 6 for Mahmoud… 7 for Mahmoud…
profitsbeard on June 16, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Jaibones on June 16, 2009 at 10:44 AM
“Iranian mullahs agree to recount ballots”
“Foxes agree to guard the hen house”
RobCon on June 16, 2009 at 11:09 AM
There is not much discussion on a key point in Ed’s post.. If Kyl-Lieberman had been fully adopted by the USA in policy across US institutions two years ago America would not be in such a powerless situation, either to affect change in Iran or the inverse, to gain important leverage for Obama’s ‘engagement’ policy.
Major strides may have been made in weakening what many realize is the real power structure. Perhaps then in a weakened state any mass public action would have a better shot at success, or at least more tools to pressure Iran as opposed to the US being in such a weak position.
Obama & CO. failed to do the right thing then, he failed to do the right thing now. For all his 300 FP advisors there’s a frightening amount of idiotic strategy & policy flowing from this guy.
saus on June 16, 2009 at 11:46 AM
The Iranian government is trying to figure out how far they have to go before The One actually says he disapproves of what’s happening.
njcommuter on June 16, 2009 at 12:26 PM
I guess Obama has summoned Jimmah Carter and ACORN to Iran to oversee the recount. Maybe ABC can have exclusive coverage for a big reward for ass-kissing at its best.
bluegrass on June 16, 2009 at 12:37 PM