Poll: What should the White House do about Iran?

posted at 12:14 pm on June 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

With the Iranians protesting by the hundreds of thousands after a rigged election, many of them wonder why the US has not taken a more public stand on their behalf.  Allahpundit has followed Iranian Twitter accounts to get first-hand accounts of the unrest, and has retweeted their frustration about Barack Obama staying on the sidelines.  Typical is this message:

One question to USA, why isn’t Obama commenting anything of this?

Jake Tapper reported on the White House response last night:

The White House has not issued a statement expressing support for the protestors declaring the election illegitimate. But neither has anyone in the Obama administration said a public word accepting the legitimacy of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s reelection.

“We’re reacting to concrete facts,” a White House official tells ABC News. “We’re collecting them still.” …

It’s worth keeping in mind that President Obama expressing concern for, say, Mir-Hossein Moussavi, wouldn’t necessarily be a way to help Moussavi. President Obama on Friday, and Secretary of State Clinton and White House press secretary Robert Gibbs since then, have all spoken about the enthusiasm among Iran’s young people, and in so doing seem to be taking a long-term view.

Tapper has a point … to a point.  Any heavy-handed demands from the US over the Iranian election would play into the mullah’s hands and paint Mousavi as an agent of the Great Satan.  Also, for better or worse, Obama believes he can have a productive dialogue with the extremist theocrats running the show in Tehran, and taking a wait-and-see response allows him to give some indication that the US remains open to engagement rather than just waiting for regime change.  Even those of us who favor regime change as an explicit diplomatic policy know that Mirhossein Mousavi wouldn’t overthrow the mullahs, or else he would never have been allowed to be on the ballot in the first place.

However, we have an opportunity to get the Iranians to use this thick-skulled blunder by the mullahs to press for real regime change.  It wouldn’t take an expression of support for Mousavi from Obama to help increase the momentum in the streets of Tehran and elsewhere for the removal of the theocracy.  An expression of support for self-determination in a free and fair election system in Iran would be plenty.  Obama could use his bully pulpit to point out that the mullahs handpicked all of the candidates, which has obviously left the Iranians feeling manipulated and unrepresented by their government.  Obama could call on the Guardian Council and Ali Khamenei to stage actual elections, without the GC’s interference, and an election with international observers to certify that the Iranian people are allowed to choose their own government.

Only regime change can bring an end to the threat of Iranian nukes.  Only a regime change can end the regional threat the Iranian mullahcracy maintains, as well as an end to the proxy war against the Israelis by Iranian-funded Hamas and Hezbollah.  Barack Obama needs to start pushing in that direction.

What do you think Obama should do?

Update: Bill Kristol warns conservatives to go slow:

The task now is to explain what the Obama administration (and Congress) should be saying and doing, and to urge them to do what they should be doing. Presuming ahead of time that Obama will fail to exercise leadership, and cataloguing this episode pre-emptively as another in a list of Obama failures, would be a mistake. The U.S. has a huge stake in the possible transformation, or at least reformation, of the Iranian regime. If there’s some chance of that happening, and some chance of U.S. policy contributing to that outcome, we should hope Obama does the right thing, and urge and pressure him to do so–because then the United States will be doing the right thing, and the United States, and the world, will benefit.

Agreed, but thus far, the response has been too muted and accommodating.

Update II: David Steven respectfully disagrees. He Twittered me that he would prefer to have the EU play bad cop and the US good cop, which might work if the EU had any inclination to get tougher on Iran. They’ve been demanding US leadership in that role, and so far Obama has not provided it. Read all of David’s thoughtful post.



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Nice poll, but I think there should be another vote:

The US will stand firmly with any liberalized society that values human rights… AND the US realizes that it is futile to negotiate with these scams…

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 12:53 PM

WHY IS PRESIDENT OBAMA ALLOWING INNOCENT MUSLIMS TO DIE IN IRAN?

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Because he wants them to FAIL!

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Negative change too.

highhopes on June 15, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I agree with you 110%

shick on June 15, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Bambi should have sent Carter to make certain the election was legit.

PappaMac on June 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Contrary to popular belief, Carter isn’t slowing down at all. He had already emailed his A-ok to the WH the day before the election.

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Because he wants them to FAIL!

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 12:54 PM

WHY DOES OBAMA WANT DEMOCRACY IN IRAN TO FAIL?

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 12:55 PM

If Obama stood up to Dinner Jacket…

…no, seriously…

…if he did, do you think his approval ratings would jump into the 80s or the 90s?

MadisonConservative on June 15, 2009 at 12:56 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/14/AR2009061401757.html

Interesting article from WAPO today. I’d watch and wait to see what’s really happening.

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 12:56 PM

I am confused by the poll results a little; especially the “refusal to recognize” and “start funding groups” sections. Those two options, on the outset, appear to be a recipe for disaster. Someone please explain why the United States should really care about this.

I understand one can deduce that the Iranian, theocratic leadership views the U.S. as Satan and could possibly, maybe, we think, sort of use nukes against Israel – a completely separate yet serious issue; but, how is it that these elections (fraudulent or not) are even showing up as action items (i.e. situations which could possibly require direct intervention) on the foreign policy radar? It seems regime change would be very beneficial but we as a superpower of the world should refrain from abusing such power and stay out of the affairs of other nations.

TightAggressive on June 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Why all these preemptive lecturing of conservatives , it’s obama that’s dropping the ball.

the_nile on June 15, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Here’s another option:
Send ACORN workers over to show the Mullahs how to set up fair elections. Use the plans that worked to get Franken “elected”.

conservativegrandma on June 15, 2009 at 12:59 PM

WHY DOES OBAMA WANT DEMOCRACY IN IRAN TO FAIL?

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 12:55 PM

He wants it to FAIL!

Woot-woot

Why does he want it to fail in America?

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:00 PM

If Obama stood up to Dinner Jacket…

…no, seriously…

…if he did, do you think his approval ratings would jump into the 80s or the 90s?

MadisonConservative on June 15, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Nope… He’d lose the America is an evil Zionist Empire crowd. Aren’t they his base?

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:01 PM

How can Obama be a champion of free elections when he is a product of ACORN and such? Obama is taking notes for 2012

Conservative Voice on June 15, 2009 at 1:01 PM

…but, how is it that these elections (fraudulent or not) are even showing up as action items (i.e. situations which could possibly require direct intervention) on the foreign policy radar?
TightAggressive on June 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Because our president said he wanted to change our behavior toward Iran and start dealing with them without preconditions.

He made it a major platform of his campaign, and if we are to believe that his election was a big YES on national healthcare, we should also believe that his election was a big YES for dealing with Iran, right?

Also, on Friday our president laid some claim to the elections results as he is the one who stoked the fires of healthy debate in Iran.

By talking about Iran, we are just following our leader.

myrenovations on June 15, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Contrary to popular belief, Carter isn’t slowing down at all. He had already emailed his A-ok to the WH the day before the election.

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 12:55 PM

It was an email reminder to Obambi that it doesn’t matter who wins the election in Iran, as long as the winner will continue to strive for the destruction of Israel. Remember, Jimmah Cartah is an ANTI-SEMITE!!

belad on June 15, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Why does “Expressing support of free elections” feel so hypocritical to me, especially after OUR last election?

Fatal on June 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM

If the Iranian students really want fair and free elections, why don’t they demand the mullahs stay out of it and allow them to choose their own candidates? Why should they have to choose one nutjob over another? Mousavi is NO reformer. He is barely the lesser of two evils. The US would look very foolish and hypocritcal showing support for a guy who will in all likelihood continue Iran’s nuclear program and it’s anti-Isreal stance. Support the protests with the caveat that none of the choices presented to them are acceptable to the US.

Redneck Woman on June 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Contrary to popular belief, Carter isn’t slowing down at all. He had already emailed his A-ok to the WH the day before the election.

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 12:55 PM

It was an email reminder to Obambi that it doesn’t matter who wins the election in Iran, as long as the winner will continue to strive for the destruction of Israel. Remember, Jimmah Cartah is an ANTI-SEMITE!!

belad on June 15, 2009 at 1:02 PM

It always amazes me that Carter has the time to send out e-mails… I thought he would be busy casting votes in Gaza, Lebanon, and Iran… I bet he has one purple finger…

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

WHY DOES OBAMA WANT DEMOCRACY IN IRAN TO FAIL?

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 12:55 PM

What? Didn’t you get the memo?

Dictatorial Control through oppressive media and threats from the whitehouse to americans and our allies while apologies and bermuda vacations are offered to our enemies is the the new Socialistic approach comrade.

Democracy is not on the agenda. And if yuo disagree you are a racist.

BillaryMcBush on June 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

“We’re reacting to concrete facts,” a White House official tells ABC News. “We’re collecting them still.” …

As opposed to non-concrete facts?

BuckeyeSam on June 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Hopefully, he will keep his yap shut and just stay out of the way. Mr. Smart Power can only f88k things up; its all he knows.

james23 on June 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM

It always amazes me that Carter has the time to send out e-mails… I thought he would be busy casting votes in Gaza, Lebanon, and Iran… I bet he has one purple finger…

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Well being an anti-semite leaves a few more nights free on your social schedule.

BillaryMcBush on June 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM

As opposed to non-concrete Bidenesque facts?

BuckeyeSam on June 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

FIFY

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Well being an anti-semite leaves a few more nights free on your social schedule.

BillaryMcBush on June 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM

See, I thought he might be busy on Friday nights, smashing glass…

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Obama shouldn’t say anything. Criticizing Iran of dirty politics would be hypocritical.

the_souse on June 15, 2009 at 1:06 PM

How can Obama be a champion of free elections when he is a product of ACORN and such? Obama is taking notes for 2012

Conservative Voice on June 15, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Exactly. Obama is hypocritical about so many other things, he absolutely needs to be consistent on this issue because it’s relevant to his re-election.

Taking notes, indeed!

BuckeyeSam on June 15, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Obama won’t stand up for democracy if it means standing up to a “tiny nation” like Iran, but boy does he kick pirate booty! Tough guy, our boy.

commenter on June 15, 2009 at 1:07 PM

What’s Farsi for “F*** You, Barack Obama”?

/oy.

bluelightbrigade on June 15, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Just when you want Obama to say something, he won’t. That’s the plan. I can just hear Gibb’s explaining that they can’t make a comment now (always assessing) because they don’t want to make matters worse.

Question to Iran: Why don’t you keep Jimmy Carter?

moonsbreath on June 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Free Elections is great. The US should always encourage democracy… but Freedom in general trumps democracy (look at Gaza).

One fear is that if there is a call for Free Elections, the UN will get involved…

1) This isn’t going to fix anything. Just makes things worse

2) What power do they really have?

3) I wouldn’t want them monitoring our democracy too much…

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:11 PM

WHY DOES OBAMA WANT DEMOCRACY IN IRAN TO FAIL?

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 12:55 PM

It’s a model for his vision of our future here in the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of the UNITED STATES

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on June 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM

On a more personal note: LSUMama? You have a child going to LSU or are you a student and a mama? My wife and I were there from 1991 to 1993.

shick on June 15, 2009 at 12:53 PM

LSU!Geaux Tigers! World Series. I Have Two at LSU. Started young, but I laugh all the time at the stories they tell about thier liberal Professors. You would`nt believe what the students do to annoy them. I`m very proud of my right thinking offspring.

LSUMama on June 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Don’t expect any action on Iran unless Ahmadinejad tries to start a private business or makes fun of Obama’s ears.

Jim Treacher on June 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Oh wait, I know.
Fire a couple more scapegoats from ACORN and reassure the public that it wouldn’t have caused a different outcome anyway.

PaddyJ on June 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Sounds like it’s time for Super Genius to lecture the Iranians. Domestic terrorists close to the POTUS should be able to brief him on how to deal with international terrorist and not sound angry about their crimes.

Let’s bring some hope and change to Iran, Socialist Americann style.

Hening on June 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Are there any Libs on this board willing to apologize to the rest of us for unleashing this fool on the world? (Yes, I’m talking about barry obama) No questions asked. Just say you’re sorry and we will love you again!

WhatsRight on June 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM

What’s Farsi for “F*** You, Barack Obama”?

/oy.

bluelightbrigade on June 15, 2009 at 1:08 PM

beh tokhmaam – To my balls

az cuneh toh boroh – shove it up your a$$

Farsi is more creative than just f*ck you. Too bad the arabs polluted the culture…

BillaryMcBush on June 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM

This is one of those extraordinarily rare instances when moral equivalency would actually WORK. So I suppose it’s no wonder that liberals are avoiding it like the plague right now.

What I would do if I were President is recognize BOTH men as leaders of the country – the thugs who will soon have nuclear weapons, because you have to; and the man who has shown that he represents the people, because that’s the right thing to do.

You’d need to treat both with respect, of course. But one gets the kind of respect you show a shark, and the other gets the kind of respect you show a potential friend.

logis on June 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Are there any Libs on this board willing to apologize to the rest of us for unleashing this fool on the world? (Yes, I’m talking about barry obama) No questions asked. Just say you’re sorry and we will love you again!

WhatsRight on June 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Watcha talking about… Barry is doing an amazing job…

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Are there any Libs on this board willing to apologize to the rest of us for unleashing this fool on the world? (Yes, I’m talking about barry obama) No questions asked. Just say you’re sorry and we will love you again!

WhatsRight on June 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM

I have been apologizing since he announced his candidacy.

BillaryMcBush on June 15, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Let’s bring some hope and change to Iran, Socialist Americann style.

Hening on June 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM

I think they already have the socialism…

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:16 PM

I believe this is important….because what we are seeing in Iran, I believe we will see in the US. Seriously, we have a leader that is not listening to his people and soon, the simmering tempers are going to bubble to the surface. And, we have guns.

HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 1:17 PM

You don’t announce right before an election that you’re supporting nukes in Iran unless you’re trying to help the guy in power score political points. Why should Obama complain? His favorite won.

Ronnie on June 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM

I believe this is important….because what we are seeing in Iran, I believe we will see in the US. Seriously, we have a leader that is not listening to his people and soon, the simmering tempers are going to bubble to the surface. And, we have guns.

HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 1:17 PM

And to think that the left thought Tea Parties were scary… kind of puts things in perspective.

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:19 PM

For Democrats so adamant about not striking Iran, yet only regime change will solve the nuke problem, they have an opportunity dished up for them. Diplomatically, show support for free elections and fund the unrest. Let the people do our work for us. They only need some help.

It’s too bad that pushing universal health care has pushed everything else out of Obama’s head. Hey Mr. President, Iran is happening RIGHT NOW! The health care debate can wait a little longer.

Mallard T. Drake on June 15, 2009 at 1:19 PM

shick on June 15, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Yes I was joking. But don`t be suprised if MSM runs with that angle . If they even cover it.

LSUMama on June 15, 2009 at 1:21 PM

I believe this is important….because what we are seeing in Iran, I believe we will see in the US. Seriously, we have a leader that is not listening to his people and soon, the simmering tempers are going to bubble to the surface. And, we have guns.

HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 1:17 PM
And to think that the left thought Tea Parties were scary… kind of puts things in perspective.

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:19 PM

You know, that is the funny part about the Tea Parties. You didn’t have people throwing rocks at windows, overturning and burning cars, or causing problems with the police. We were peaceful, we were ‘American’ and we were practicing our rights as American citizens.
If we start rioting, I might actually consider adding BB as a friend on FB. ;}

HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 1:21 PM

You know, that is the funny part about the Tea Parties. You didn’t have people throwing rocks at windows, overturning and burning cars, or causing problems with the police. We were peaceful, we were ‘American’ and we were practicing our rights as American citizens.
If we start rioting, I might actually consider adding BB as a friend on FB. ;}

HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Never gonna happen is what you are saying ;)

May I add that we were also very clear about what we wanted. We wanted our government (of both parties) to be more accountable… Not so much in Iran. It’s just chaotic.

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Obama shouldn’t throw rocks in a glass house, maybe there should be an investigation into ACORN before looking at other countries?

workingforpigs on June 15, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Senator Joe Lieberman again doing the work that liberal Democrats fail to do. Thank you!

Loxodonta on June 15, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Why do any American commentators in our government accept any of the premises of these fake “elections” in Iran?

All real reformers are forbidden to run for office before the primaries are ever held, so the entirety of the process is pure fraud.

There are only the ayatollahs’ pre-selected candidates, which makes everything that follows a rank deception and an insult to the term of “elections“.

Why even pretend it is anything but a rigged joke?

Except to promote fraud, fakery, deceit, and legitmize the thieving ayatollahs?

profitsbeard on June 15, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Free elections should be supported. What happened in Iran can be framed as their internal concern, but we generally support free, fair elections. The will of the people should be respected, and verified.

Obama needs to be crystal clear that he supports democracy, even though it sometimes leads to outcomes we may not like (like his election, ha =p)

Dash on June 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Never gonna happen is what you are saying ;)

May I add that we were also very clear about what we wanted. We wanted our government (of both parties) to be more accountable… Not so much in Iran. It’s just chaotic.

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Hee hee. Poor BB. He is a great guy, so are you. Both characters, but I love to torture him.
I figure, the chaos in Iran is warranted. If you’ve been under the heel of a regime for all of your life and now, you know you’ve been screwed, you just want to riot. I’m with the youth. I’m with the overthrow of the Ayatollah. And, in 2010 and 2012, I’m all for the banishment of this socialist regime known as the Socialist Democratic Party.

HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM

I am, once again, in the minority.

No comment is fine.

It’s questionable as to what is the real story here.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/14/AR2009061401757.html

However, it’s interesting to note that this blog and a very well-known progressive blog posters agree.

:)

Alas, moderates are the minority these days. You guys have more in common with the far left than you realize!

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM

I voted that Obama should support free elections. But what I really want Obama to do is speak out against the repressive and violent actions being done to the Iranian people by the Iranian government. Surely he can safely speak out against the current regime’s brutality that is being better reported on YouTube than in the MSM.

Everybody is waiting for Barry. Stop sucking your thumb!

Loxodonta on June 15, 2009 at 1:30 PM

HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM

I’m with the youth so long as they don’t want Theocracy II

Let’s hear what they do want.

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM

I think the Iranian elections are a creepy parallel to what might be in store for the next U.S. Presidential election.

Rockygold on June 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM

I voted that Obama should support free elections. But what I really want Obama to do is speak out against the repressive and violent actions being done to the Iranian people by the Iranian government. Surely he can safely speak out against the current regime’s brutality that is being better reported on YouTube than in the MSM.

Everybody is waiting for Barry. Stop sucking your thumb!

Loxodonta on June 15, 2009 at 1:30 PM

The left has no problem taking cheap shots at Beijing … over toys…

I don’t see what’s stopping him… Oh wait, he probably admires the Iranian Third World model.

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:32 PM

…and stay out of the affairs of other nations.

TightAggressive on June 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM

because that has worked SOOOO well in the past.

Tighten up, Kilroy.

hillbillyjim on June 15, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Also, for better or worse, Obama believes he can have a productive dialogue with the extremist theocrats running the show in Tehran,

At any rate, Ed, Obama speech’s in Cairo was pretty good, wasn’t it?

Mcguyver on June 15, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Why should Obama complain? His favorite won.
Ronnie on June 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Liberals are collectivists; they love above all else the perception of concensus.

As far as liberals are concerned, a dictator can do literally anything as long as he keeps his dissenters QUIET.

If Ahmadinejad had done his job properly and slaughtered all his opponents en masse before they raised such a stink, Obama would be signing papers to ship the uranium right now.

But right now the guy’s (figuratively speaking) radioactive. Obama can’t touch him. For crying out loud, even Al Jazeera’s reporting on this cluster f*ck. Until Ahmadinejad gets his act together and shoves all this hubub under the carpet, he’s going to continue to get the silent treatment.

logis on June 15, 2009 at 1:34 PM

LSU!Geaux Tigers! World Series. I Have Two at LSU. Started young, but I laugh all the time at the stories they tell about thier liberal Professors. You would`nt believe what the students do to annoy them. I`m very proud of my right thinking offspring.

LSUMama on June 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Yes! Geaux Tigers! I remember my own liberal professor(singular). Though, I was a bit liberal myself then. My wife finished her Masters in piano performance there.

I couldn’t stand the humidity down there but I fell in love with the local folks.

shick on June 15, 2009 at 1:37 PM

I have no idea what the White House should do about Iran. None. But I’m pretty sure golfing and playing mum are not the correct responses to a lit match in the powderkeg of the Middle East.

aero on June 15, 2009 at 1:38 PM

I have no idea what the White House should do about Iran. None. But I’m pretty sure golfing and playing mum are not the correct responses to a lit match in the powderkeg of the Middle East.

aero on June 15, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Obama’s first Katrina… except I don’t really get too huffed up about New Orleans. They should have been more independent like their neighbors… That said, the left must face that their Dear Leader is pulling a “Bush.”

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:40 PM

A bit of irony. Last night, rioters took the streets of LA. You should see the pictures of the cops in their riot gear.

As usual, in my lovely hometown, they used the Lakers win as an excuse to trash businesses and steal Cheetos. (Seriously.)

In any case, it struck me that we’re sure OK with cops and riot gear here.

BUT……not elsewhere?

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 1:42 PM

I don’t care about the politics of this situation, whether it benefits the left or the right. I care about three things that could be impacted by the events in Iran: our national security, international security (especially for Israel and the region), and the lives of the Iranian people.

I can understand and appreciate any administration being cautious in its public statements about the current situation. But their continuing silence astounds me when I can see the violence being done to the Iranian people.

Loxodonta on June 15, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Alas, moderates are the minority these days. You guys have more in common with the far left than you realize!

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM

1.) Mistrust of MSM.
—–check—–

2.) Hate do-nothing fence-sitting wishy-washy do-good pasty-faced mealy-mouthed wind-riders who cannot seem to form an opinion without a wet finger.
—–check—–

3.) See Barack Hussein Obama as the two three multi-faced liar that he is.
—–check—–

Tell Ann what she’s won, Don Pardo!

hillbillyjim on June 15, 2009 at 1:43 PM

I have no idea what the White House should do about Iran. None. But I’m pretty sure golfing and playing mum are not the correct responses to a lit match in the powderkeg of the Middle East.

I think the story is fascinating. I have a friend who is visiting in Tehran, so I’m concerned. However, It’s exhausting enough to worry about the US, nevermind every other election around the world.

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 1:43 PM

In any case, it struck me that we’re sure OK with cops and riot gear here.

BUT……not elsewhere?

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Be careful… I don’t think the cops in LA were making sure the women weren’t being Whorish…

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Tell Ann what she’s won, Don Pardo!

Pretty soon, teaparties will need to be latte parties, so you guys can all join together!

The Gay community is way mad at him today, too. :)

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM

shick on June 15, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Well you know we take precautions for the humidity with funnels and tailgatin.LOL.

LSUMama on June 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM

The Gay community is way mad at him today, too. :)

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM

That they are.

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Be careful… I don’t think the cops in LA were making sure the women weren’t being Whorish…

They aren’t worried about shown hair right now. :)

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM

They aren’t worried about shown hair right now. :)

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Our cops or theirs?

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:47 PM

I think the Iranian elections are a creepy parallel to what might be in store for the next U.S. Presidential election.

Rockygold on June 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM

What makes you think there is going to be another Presidential election. In the long tradition of dictators, across the globe, Obama will simply declare himself President for life and set up one of his daughters to succeed him at some point in the future.

Obviously, I’m being facetious but not by much as I’ve watched the government take more and more out of the public sector and replace it with “czars” who hold no elective office and loyal to a single person. More and more freedoms being regulated by unelected street thugs. If the filthy liar in the White House isn’t planning a coup, he sure has the right framework to do so.

highhopes on June 15, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Well you know we take precautions for the humidity with funnels and tailgatin.LOL.

LSUMama on June 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Sure but that hurts more later on. :)

shick on June 15, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Be careful… I don’t think the cops in LA were making sure the women weren’t being Whorish…

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:44 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LSUMama on June 15, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Pretty soon, teaparties will need to be latte parties, so you guys can all join together!

Latte is for suckers.

;-)

hillbillyjim on June 15, 2009 at 1:49 PM

In any case, it struck me that we’re sure OK with cops and riot gear here.

BUT……not elsewhere?

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 1:42 PM

We’re not against the use of force you cretinous slime! It depends who’s using it. IT’S NOT ALL RELATIVE!! THERE ARE GOOD GUYS AND BAD GUYS. YOU ARE ONE OF THE BAD GUYS BY VIRTUE OF YOUR EXTREME STUPIDITY, YOU DUMB, PATHETICALLY STOOOOPID COW.

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 1:42 PM

– First you suggest we consider a public opinion poll taken in a repressive Islamic theocratic dictatorship. Polls are not always believable when done in free societies. How can a public opinion poll be trusted in a country where you can be jailed for dissent?

– Then, you imply that there’s no difference between LA Laker’s fans rioting in LA, and Iranians being beaten and executed by government forces in Iran. How can there be any moral equivelency between these two events?

So, I must ask you two questions:

1) Why do you disagree with Senator Lieberman?

2) And how does Hillary benefit from your suggestions that our government silently turn it back on the Iranian people?

Loxodonta on June 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Loxodonta on June 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM

I also asked an on a previous thread how the Palestinian Problem is ours… waiting…

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Loxodonta on June 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM

She is either insane, or a troll genius. I do wonder how many husbands she has killed.

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 1:54 PM

I believe this is important….because what we are seeing in Iran, I believe we will see in the US. Seriously, we have a leader that is not listening to his people and soon, the simmering tempers are going to bubble to the surface. And, we have guns.

HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 1:17 PM

And to think that the left thought Tea Parties were scary… kind of puts things in perspective.

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:19 PM

I was thinking about Mr. Obama’s reaction to the Tea Parties as I watched the people of Iran gathering together to protest. Obama’s reaction seems almost as tepid and dismissive of them (he calls it a vigorous debate???) as he is of Tea Party goers, as if anyone who disagrees with their leaders, even to the death, are just flies in the ointment. He stays silent to the cries for freedom when a word of support from the US government could give the Iranian people hope for a true democracy.

He seems to have no idea of the true cost of freedom and that is one more thing about him that gives me the heebie jeebies.

Miss Molly on June 15, 2009 at 1:54 PM

– First you suggest we consider a public opinion poll taken in a repressive Islamic theocratic dictatorship. Polls are not always believable when done in free societies. How can a public opinion poll be trusted in a country where you can be jailed for dissent?

Interesting a big-picture type questions.

But I suggest you read the WaPo article, and decide for yourself.

The article addresses the problems of polling, and there is a convincing argument that this one has “some” validity.

It struck me as probably closer to the real truth than the hyper-citizen journalism that is going on right now.

Check it out for yourself, however.

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Well, their shooting at the riot in Iran. Don’t see that they did that in L.A.
BTW, was anyone surprised that the trash in L.A. tried to burn down their own city once again? Big yawn, of course, and I’m sure that the cops will be on trial for trying to restore order against said trash, who are always portrayed as the victims.

HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:53 PM

The thing is, Hillary supporters need only do one thing to defend her silence on this matter: point to her boss. How does it benefit Hillary to push Obama talking points? Is that going to stop Obama in the future from running his middle finger up and down his cheek as he talks about her? I think not.

Loxodonta on June 15, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Loxodonta on June 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM

I also asked an on a previous thread how the Palestinian Problem is ours… waiting…

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Do you think that stability in the Middle East is beneficial to America? If so, there’s your answer. If not, I would be very interested to know why not.

Didn’t mean to butt in, but this seems so obvious.

hillbillyjim on June 15, 2009 at 1:56 PM

2) And how does Hillary benefit from your suggestions that our government silently turn it back on the Iranian people?

I was a great supporter of Hillary for president. I liked her policies, her savvy…..about everything, to be honest.

However, she’s irrelevant now.

She lost.

This situation has zip to do with her, nor do I care anymore.

I still think she ran a very hard and tough campaign, which I respect.

But she lost.

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 1:57 PM

BTW, was anyone surprised that the trash in L.A. tried to burn down their own city once again? Big yawn, of course, and I’m sure that the cops will be on trial for trying to restore order against said trash, who are always portrayed as the victims.

HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Nope… surprised it wasn’t San Fran, though…

The thing is, Hillary supporters need only do one thing to defend her silence on this matter: point to her boss. How does it benefit Hillary to push Obama talking points? Is that going to stop Obama in the future from running his middle finger up and down his cheek as he talks about her? I think not.

Loxodonta on June 15, 2009 at 1:55 PM

+100

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Well, their shooting at the riot in Iran. Don’t see that they did that in L.A.
BTW, was anyone surprised that the trash in L.A. tried to burn down their own city once again? Big yawn, of course, and I’m sure that the cops will be on trial for trying to restore order against said trash, who are always portrayed as the victims.

Not me, but I live here.

I say we have 4 seasons: Fire, Mudslides, Earthquakes, and Riots. :)

Charming, eh?

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 1:59 PM

He seems to have no idea of the true cost of freedom and that is one more thing about him that gives me the heebie jeebies.

Miss Molly on June 15, 2009 at 1:54 PM

That’s because he is a narcissist who hasn’t had to pay for anything- it has always been handed to him. He doesn’t appreciate sacrifice, hard work, or the value of honest day’s work because he has always been the light-skinned affirmative action token black. It got him into Harvard law, got him into the Illinois Legislature, and (God bless us all) got him into the White House without any sort of vetting. As a result America is being run by a militant Muslim racist/socialist street thug.

highhopes on June 15, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Do you think that stability in the Middle East is beneficial to America? If so, there’s your answer. If not, I would be very interested to know why not.

Didn’t mean to butt in, but this seems so obvious.

hillbillyjim on June 15, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Well, you didn’t really butt in… :)

Like I told Ann, I can respect people that are consistent isolationists… but how can we have an Isolationists policy when we clearly don’t want one? Israel, negotiating with Iran, the Balkans…

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 2:00 PM

I also asked an on a previous thread how the Palestinian Problem is ours… waiting…

Did you ask me? Sorry, I didn’t see the question.

I think the answer is obvious. It’s due to financial support to Israel and, as Obama said, our particular relationship.

But there’s obviously disagreements, even in Israel.

We still walk a fine line there, but surely we’ll all over the notion that we dictate policy there.

Like when? *haha

I personally like our relationship with them. It’s proof to me that you can be close to the US and that doesn’t mean we squelch a darn thing.

They are our best example in the world. Haiti? Not so much!

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 2:02 PM

I’m not an isolationist, Upstater.

But Iran is off-limits.

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Upstater85 on June 15, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Libs are consistent in one respect; they can always find a moral equivalency argument to justify any contradictions in their political positions–common sense and truth be damned.

hillbillyjim on June 15, 2009 at 2:04 PM

I still think she ran a very hard and tough campaign, which I respect.

But she lost.

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 1:57 PM

I’d disagree that she ran a hard campaign against the filthy liar who won the White House until it was too late. By the time she perceived the threat from that candidate, it was too late for hard tactics without the filthy liar’s people screaming that the Clintons were racists.

highhopes on June 15, 2009 at 2:06 PM

That’s because he is a narcissist who hasn’t had to pay for anything- it has always been handed to him. He doesn’t appreciate sacrifice, hard work, or the value of honest day’s work because he has always been the light-skinned affirmative action token black. It got him into Harvard law, got him into the Illinois Legislature, and (God bless us all) got him into the White House without any sort of vetting. As a result America is being run by a militant Muslim racist/socialist street thug.

And everyone on the left calls Palin a narcissist.

I have decided this is just the Dr. Phil type of talk. Everyone earns a mental health label today. *haha

The affirmative action stuff is just racism, to me, anyway. He obviously performed quite well. The guy is no idiot, however much I may disagree.

He’s a smart as most of the jerks in Ivy League schools.

If you don’t see that?

I’d say you don’t know Ivy Leaguers too well.

They are insufferable at times about the notion that they are the “best and the brightest.”

Give me a Big Ten graduate ANY day.

AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 2:07 PM

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