Good news: State Dep’t refuses to condemn Iranian crackdown; Update: 2 to 3 million at rally
posted at 3:45 pm on June 15, 2009 by Allahpundit
So says Fox News, via the Standard. Lefties keep assuring me on Twitter that western meddling will only make it easier for the regime to demonize the protesters, but (a) the demonization’s going to happen anyway, (b) no one’s asking Obama to send in the Marines, just to speak up, and (c) Angela Merkel managed to issue a statement earlier today calling the Basij thuggery “completely unacceptable” without killing the uprising in its crib. And still, from the White House, nothing. To think, some commentators are accusing The One of “cowardly silence.”
You’ll also be pleased to know that, according to no less than the New York Times, Obama didn’t bother holding any meetings or conference calls about this yesterday. Remember: Health care is a “crisis.” This is but a “situation.”
State Department spokesman Ian Kelly told reporters Monday that the United States is concerned about allegations of ballot fraud.
Kelly described the U.S. government as “deeply troubled” by the events in Iran, which is a stronger expression of concern than over the weekend when Vice President Biden cast doubt on the legitimacy of the election.
When pressed by a reporter, Kelly declined to condemn the Iranian security forces for their crackdown on street protesters. And he said the U.S. knows too little about the conduct of the election to say for sure whether there was fraud.
If you’re having trouble visualizing what’s meant by “crackdown,” take a look at this or — content warning — this, which I assume is a photo of the man described in an AP report earlier as having been shot dead at that massive rally in Tehran. How massive was it? I keep hearing the number 100,000 or “hundreds of thousands” but, per Iranian tweeters, BBC Persia claims it was one or two million. CBS says the crowd stretched for more than five miles. The clip below will give you a taste of the volume (in both senses of the word) but spare some time for this fabulous collection of photos at Boston.com to get the full flavor of what’s happening.
For all the attention being paid to Mousavi, the guy to keep your eye on going forward is Rafsanjani. He’s easily the most powerful Ahmadinejad enemy inside the Iranian establishment and, as head of the Assembly of Experts, is in position to have Khamenei removed as supreme leader if he can round up enough clerical support. Read this astute analysis about “ayatollah vs. ayatollah” in Time mag for more, including Khamenei’s gambit to cool down the situation by launching that sham fraud probe. (And yes, Mousavi knows it’s a sham.) If things really fall apart and Khamenei’s forced out, Rafsanjani would be his likely replacement with Mousavi installed as president. Fun fact about Rafsanjani, incidentally: He’s been known to talk openly about why nuking Israel would be a big win for Islam because even if Iran is wiped out in a counterstrike, there’ll still be more than a billion Muslims left. What could go wrong?
Update: Time magazine says today’s rally was fully 20 to 30 times larger than the 100,000 estimate we keep hearing.
At the rally Monday, Mousavi supporters referred to the president’s speech derisively, chanting, “Ahmadi, just keep saying it’s a game of football.” Marching past a Revolutionary Guard station full of uniformed men in position, the demonstrators chanted, “We are no weeds and dirt. We are the people of Iran.”
One demonstrator looked to the guy by his side and yelled, “That drove me crazy. When he said that yesterday, calling the protestors weeds and dirt.” A 26-year old mechanic from Hashemiye in the south of Tehran, said he had left his garage to come to the protest.
As a helicopter hovered overhead, the chants grew louder with arms raised in the air: “This 63 percent that they say, where is it?”










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Remember, guys, Obama has promised that the U.S. isn’t going to be throwing its weight around the world anymore. I’m pretty sure he figures that if international intervention seems necessary (i.e. the conflict starts to boil over and affect the entire region), if the U.S. doesn’t step up, other countries or the UN will have to. I think he’s naive and no one will step up in our stead, but that might be his thinking.
aero on June 15, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Both sides need to show restraint. /O
Ronnie on June 15, 2009 at 4:14 PM
It’s only not a “distraction” because there’s a chance to still hurt Israel, which Obama can’t resist.
JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 4:14 PM
“It doesn’t matter whether you are brown or dark brown, bearded or mustachioed, shia or sunni, walking and talking or just recently beheaded, today is the day when we set aside all of those petty things and listen as a great man brings us together. Me.”
LibTired on June 15, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Sarkozy gives big raspberry to world! “I told you morons he was a STUFFED SHIRT!”
freeus on June 15, 2009 at 4:15 PM
I’m assuming that rhymes in Farsi.
mankai on June 15, 2009 at 4:15 PM
we should be fueling this revolution into happening.
jp on June 15, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Hannity spelled it out clearly today – and I agree wholeheartedly. Obama doesn’t yet know how to play this one politically. He’s waiting for some sort of outcome so he can “get it right”. What that means is that he has no principles on which he stands. He cares not for fledgling democracy fighting the entrenched ayatollahs. He only cares about his perception by others. It’s an “hindsight is 20/20″ approach to foreign policy.
Which is to say, he’s a limp wristed panty-waste with no backbone.
Thunderstorm129 on June 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Awwwwww. Does he know how to sit yet? I hope Nightline has a full feature on tonight and doesn’t put on any of this boring Iran stuff. Yawn.
angryed on June 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Having lived in Indonesia has prepared Uhbamuh for this moment in time.
The world awaits his greatness.
OhEssYouCowboys on June 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM
I now fully understand the term “powder keg”.
Iran is set to pop!
SCOOPTHIScarlos on June 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Exactly.
the_nile on June 15, 2009 at 4:17 PM
This could all be an elaborate test to see if Obama meant it when he said the U.S. wasn’t going to “interfere” in ME concerns anymore. The mullahs figured they’d sacrifice some dissidents to see if Obama really is as weak as he seems. What better way to spark a bloody conflict than to stage a blatantly fixed election that the U.S. of the past would have found too offensive to ignore?
aero on June 15, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Go Barry go! Don’t change a thing! Keep your feckless policy in place because its destroying your credibility! I love to watch reality explode in your face. Sell out the students for the sake of your ego! Keep going I love it!
elduende on June 15, 2009 at 4:18 PM
The bottom line of all this is that we need the mullahs to be weakened, and we need the nuclear program to stop. No matter who is appointed, crowned, “elected”, or knighted; it still adds up to the fact that Israel needs to get rid of these nukes ASAP.
freeus on June 15, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Anybody seen what the moonbat sites are saying about this today?
Patrick S on June 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Rahm is next to be housebroken.
HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM
The people in Iran a stating they need new proxy numbers/services to get messages out twitter. It’s the text message revolution.
Oil Can on June 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM
2-3 million is sizeable, and they don’t seem cowed by the militias any more. Could this be the big one? Barry can’t hide forever and poor guy doesn’t know which way to jump.
We might also consider that if a change occurs, it means more time will then be allowed by Barry before having to deal with the nuclear issue, giving them more time to git ‘er done.
a capella on June 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM
To be fair, part of that was due to the free chicken coupons on oprah.ir.
Ronnie on June 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM
where is the leadership?
youngO on June 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM
By the way, thanks Allah and HA for keeping us regular working folks abreast on this issue.
youngO on June 15, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Obama’s 5pm speech:
“This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let’s not bicker and argue about who killed who.”
Daggett on June 15, 2009 at 4:23 PM
something like this, 2-3 Million rioting the street of Tehran, is exactly what was predicted at lead up of IRaq War to take down the Iranian regime without actually going to war in Iran.
It could finally happen if Obama would just do a little within his power
jp on June 15, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Our president is a sissy.
Terrye on June 15, 2009 at 4:23 PM
The new world order is a place where no nation is better than another, so we have no right to say anything at all.
Let’s play golf!
SouthernGent on June 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Don’t you all realize that all this “foreign policy” is a distraction for the Big O. He doesn’t give a $hit about it – never has. His focus all along has been to turn the USA into a weak socialist country. He doesn’t care about how much as of his pie-in-the-sky socialist programs cost. He doesn’t care because I am 1000% convinced that he became POTUS knowing that he will be a one-term POTUS and that he could only do what he planned with a DEM Congress. He had to know that this would cause such an uproar.
He will be there for one term only. I’m positive.
Oink on June 15, 2009 at 4:25 PM
I worry about some of those pictures being used against some the rioters after they suppress this thing.
It will be like bejing 1989 when people just disappear.
I wonder if the photographs should have been published with the faces blacked out or something
I can’t blame those rioters and it would be nice if someone could get them a shotgun or two,
A three way deal could be setup to get jordanian or Saudi intelligence to try to supply these folks with a little help ..
Yes, good work Allah/Ed
kangjie on June 15, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Did you cheer Tiananmen Square, too? Douchenozzle.
Whether or not there was election fraud is a question; whether the Iranian government and their paramilitary thugs are beating non-violent protesters in the streets is not a question at all. They are.
Only an idiot would claim to support it.
Jaibones on June 15, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Yep. Our last President was not.
Jaibones on June 15, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Presidential Daily Brief
AHH UMMM AHH UMMM
fourdeucer on June 15, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Calls for strikes tomorrow.
Oil Can on June 15, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Spot on.
Even Neville Chamberlain started speaking out strongly against Adolf Hitler at some point.
At the very least our Dear Leader could say something like,
“I am not sure myself that the elections in Iran were rigged, but it seems clear that a majority of the Iranian people, who are in a much better position to know, think that it was, and in the extreme. It saddens me deeply that the regime there is, in effect, making war on the Iranian people. I had hoped that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was at core a decent man who could be reasoned with, but sadly it appears that I was mistaken”.
Of course, Obama is not exactly a big friend of liberty in America, so why would we expect him to be for Iran.
MB4 on June 15, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Why would they condemn it? They are busy taking notes.
MarkTheGreat on June 15, 2009 at 4:28 PM
They
belong
to
Bush.
Just wanted to repeat that.
Texas Gal on June 15, 2009 at 4:28 PM
+11
Jaibones on June 15, 2009 at 4:29 PM
I hope he is paying attention in case BHO has plans to steal an election in 2012. Few military would actually fire on American crowds like that.
jeffn21 on June 15, 2009 at 4:29 PM
“like i said in my speech in cairo….”
Get over yourself 0Bama.
2010 the return of the good guys.
2012. America doesn’t apoligize for itself anymore.
James on June 15, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Even if Obama manages to utter a condemnation at 5pm, it will be way too late. At that time it will already be past midnight in Iran, June 16th. The election was on June 12th, the protests and crack-downs began that same night.
This would be akin to some foreign leader issuing a condemnation of 9/11 on 9/15, after spending 4 days contemplating if the attack justified a condemnation.
What a coward we have in White House.
Norwegian on June 15, 2009 at 4:30 PM
I know Sarko criticized Obama often on his lack of a strong Iran policy, but do you have any link to a recent statement regarding events going on now?
JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Hey, did you hear that Michelle has a colorful new apron she’s wearing to go out shopping in Manhattan today?
Jaibones on June 15, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Obama sighed, people died.
Mr. Joe on June 15, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Yes!
Loxodonta on June 15, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Rush leads the GOP.
Who leads the world?
faraway on June 15, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Maybe she should wear one of those black Hefty bags over it in a show of solidarity with Mrs.A.
JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 4:34 PM
The last time Obama was accused of “cowardly silence” he turned out to be quite busy behind the scenes and ultimately pulled a political rabbit out of the hat.
sanguine4 on June 15, 2009 at 4:34 PM
someone needs tell The Padawan that silence is not golden.
bluelightbrigade on June 15, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Michelle’s biceps and Barry’s manboobs according to the American media.
JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 4:35 PM
“The Iranian people wants a larger government that cracks their skulls” Colin Powell.
the_nile on June 15, 2009 at 4:35 PM
We need some C-130′s to veer off course in Afghanistan to accidently drop weapons with armor piercing ammunition in Iran due to the rapidly aging GPS system.
CMonster on June 15, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Both sides want to nuke Israel. Who cares?
faraway on June 15, 2009 at 4:36 PM
A two-year old eating a jalapeño.
Loxodonta on June 15, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Gird your loins!
booter on June 15, 2009 at 4:36 PM
If only these protests happened when Pres.Bush was in charge! We could have gotten rid of Khomenei regime forever.
promachus on June 15, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Obama: My position is …uhm, uhm.. nationalizing health care will resolve the …uh, uh, uh..situation in ..uhm..Iran.
VaGal on June 15, 2009 at 4:38 PM
We talked about this on the other thread, the tea parties going off without a broken window or an overturned car set on fire. What we need to watch is if, further down the line, when obama voters don’t get the freebies that they were expecting when he was elected, they are evicted from their section 8 housing and their welfare payments are stopped because dear leader has run this country and its economy into the ground, that is when you need to put the alligators in the moat, pull up the drawbridge, make your home into a bunker, hope you have enough food and water…..and keep your gun loaded. That’s when you need to pay attention.
HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 4:38 PM
He has done that a few times, but he relies on domestic racial politics and a willing media to make it work. In foreign affairs, it’s more difficult, as there is more foreign media involved, and because Acorn types are less than useless.
JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 4:38 PM
The mullahs, apparently.
It’s quite a fine thing to worry about whether the mullahs are going to “demonize” the demonstrators when the gutters are already starting to run with blood.
Blacksmith on June 15, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Obama should prop up the Iranian dictator and election cheat.
Once Ahmadinejad understands that he owes his job to Obama, Obama, the first American Islamic President, will own Ahmadinejad and can turn it into a pupet state.
Somebody should tell the teleprompter to tell Obama to do this.
The Rock on June 15, 2009 at 4:39 PM
The God King Obama will read from some stone tablets at 5pm on this topic.
faraway on June 15, 2009 at 4:39 PM
“All Bush’s fault!”
Del Dolemonte on June 15, 2009 at 4:40 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mousavi1388/sets/72157619592664479/show/with/3621715877/
.
Incredible photos from the protest in Tehran today, from Winston06 flickr.com
lobosan5 on June 15, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Who leads the U.S. when it comes to foreign policy? Obviously, not the silent one. When he’s not apologizing to extremists for legitimate policies, he can’t even open his mouth when peaceful protesters are brutalized. Can’t he even stick up for peaceful descent?
Vera71 on June 15, 2009 at 4:41 PM
You know, on second thought, it might be a good thing that obama is silent. With his teleprompter snafus, he might create a bigger problem. Or, he might apologize to the ayatollahs, both of them for their unfortunate problem and offer a bailout.
HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 4:41 PM
jp on June 15, 2009 at 4:42 PM
You’re not going to believe me.
Jaibones on June 15, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Hiding under The Resolute Desk in the Oval Office?
Sucking his thumb in bed?
Getting his diapers changed?
Figuring out how to blame this on Bush if it gets nastier and take credit for whatever resolution to the crisis emerges?
Loxodonta on June 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM
A “My Pet Goat” moment?
brennan251 on June 15, 2009 at 4:44 PM
This is why Obama’s grandstanding about having unconditional talks with Iran was such a bad thing. He banked his entire foriegn policy on this premise.
Since A-Jad is likely to still be in power when the dust settles in a couple of days or weeks, there is no way Obama can come out and really back the protesters the way they should be backed. That would be the end of his negotiation strategy. A-Jad wouldn’t negotiate with a U.S. President who is encouraging his overthrow. The unconditional negotiation strategy would be written off as the naive joke that we always though it was.
If he hadn’t committed so much to negotiations he could tell A-Jad and Iran’s leadership to take a hike (maybe even call them “evil”) and that he is standing with the dissidents and reformers. He can’t do that and have his negotiations. He’s painted himself into a corner. It would have been best to keep his mouth shut about negotiations and work behind the scenes, that way he could come out now with a hardline against the regime.
Instead, it’s almost a certainty that we will get a lukewarm statement about having “concerns” about the election process but we want to wait until we get all of the facts. The protesters in Iran deserve better.
JohnInCA on June 15, 2009 at 4:44 PM
I miss the Bush Iraq elections – much smoother.
Obama is creating such chaos and disorder in the world.
faraway on June 15, 2009 at 4:45 PM
The people that did this to their own are the people Obama trusts with a nuke.
http://twitpic.com/7hlsf
Obama is a menace to our security.
elduende on June 15, 2009 at 4:45 PM
It’s not Obama.
That’s for sure.
bluelightbrigade on June 15, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Last month these same people had “Death to America” signs. (I’m talking about Iranians, not the Obama administration.)
faraway on June 15, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Appease dictators, negotiate with despots, make accommodation with evil, make a deal with the devil. That’s what modern liberalism believes in, because there is nothing higher than man. The strongest man rules. Ironic, but libs are the ones turning back the clock. They must be defeated here in the US. The whole Iran event is proof that they will let humans sink if given the option to fight.
JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 4:47 PM
These protesters would be very happy to drop bombs on any of us. They are fighting for their right to elect one of the guys involved with the bombing of our marines in Lebanon and our embassy, there, along with that insane hostage taking that his buddies in Hezbollah were doing.
The question is not what Shrillary or the idiot messiah has to say about them, or the Iranian “elections” (don’t make me laugh), but what excuse can be offered for having such a moron in the White House who has been haranguing us to sit down at a table with the thugs and nutcases who are running that country.
The only thing I want to hear from the administration is an aology for having pushed the utterly destructive and idiotic position that we need to speak with Iran and that that country has “the right” to nuclear technology. That’s just as insane as the mullahs in Iran and the rest of them.
progressoverpeace on June 15, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Obama speaks at 5 o’clock eastern
kangjie on June 15, 2009 at 4:48 PM
He’ll blame Israeli settlement activity for causing the problems.
progressoverpeace on June 15, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Why would the Obama Administration take an oppositional stance against voter fraud when they have done the same in the past. Not only that, but they are “geared” to ramp up this acitivity through the Census.
djaymick on June 15, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Hey, now it’s time for those talks with any of those pre-conditions, right?
ieplaya on June 15, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Also few, if any, Persians so maybe it won’t be a big win only for Islam but for the rest of us as well.
Kafir on June 15, 2009 at 4:54 PM
His lips will be moving, but he won’t say a word.
HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 4:54 PM
I think we all know what REAGAN would have done.
portlandon on June 15, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Too bad we don`t have an embassy in Tehran now for Dinnerjacket to seize. You know, for old times sake.
ThePrez on June 15, 2009 at 4:54 PM
In other news, Obama to send Ahmadinejad a fruit basket as he goes through these trying times along with a DVD of the history of FDR with a focus on WW2 and Japanese internment camps…
Skywise on June 15, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Good point!
…..Acorn was unavailable for comment.
HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 4:55 PM
But he says it with SUCH conviction and his tone of voice we could listen too ALL DAY. s/
portlandon on June 15, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Um…err..uh…um…Pokeeton
bluelightbrigade on June 15, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Ogabe wishes he had Malkins as big as Merkel.
PimFortuynsGhost on June 15, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Has the senile peanut farmer said anything yet? I mean, he’s the guy who de facto put the mullahs in power by stabbing the Shah in the back…
PimFortuynsGhost on June 15, 2009 at 4:58 PM
B.H.O. – MIA
J. Biden – MIA
H. R. Clinton – MIA
J. F. “Reporting for Duty” Kerry (AKA Chairman Sen Foreign Relations Committee) – MIA
N. Pelosi – MIA
H. Reid – MIA
diogenes on June 15, 2009 at 4:58 PM
That and Global Warming for making the Iranian people too hot.
MB4 on June 15, 2009 at 4:58 PM
*sigh* and when he finally does make a statement it will be wrought with moral equivalence blah blah etc etc.
- The Cat
MirCat on June 15, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Oh…I thought that was why CNN was there…you know…to represent…
bluelightbrigade on June 15, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Makes my nipples hard just thinking about it. Yeah, of course the media will be all over this, saying what a great statesman dear leader is. Where’s Hillary…this could be her big moment. Is she duct taped in the basement?
HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 4:59 PM
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