Gallup Poll: Choosing sides
posted at 2:15 pm on June 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Today’s Gallup poll has generated a lot of e-mail today, with conservatives claiming victory in the battle for public opinion. True, it does show self-described conservatives outstripping moderates and liberals, but in this case the mechanism appears more to be a retreat in the middle:
Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s.
These annual figures are based on multiple national Gallup surveys conducted each year, in some cases encompassing more than 40,000 interviews. The 2009 data are based on 10 separate surveys conducted from January through May. Thus, the margins of error around each year’s figures are quite small, and changes of only two percentage points are statistically significant.
To measure political ideology, Gallup asks Americans to say whether their political views are very conservative, conservative, moderate, liberal, or very liberal. As has been the case each year since 1992, very few Americans define themselves at the extremes of the political spectrum. Just 9% call themselves “very conservative” and 5% “very liberal.” The vast majority of self-described liberals and conservatives identify with the unmodified form of their chosen label.
The graph at Gallup makes this more clear. Conservatives peaked in 2003-4, if you can call a net two-point shift in a steady series of polls a “peak”. Self-identified conservatives have for the past thirteen years remained in a range between 37% and 40%, which is not far outside the margin of error.
The real story is the shift in both liberals and moderates. Over the last seventeen years, self-described liberals have steadily increased from 17% to 22% of the population, falling back a single point in the latest survey. Moderates have declined from 43% to 35%, an eight-point drop, the most significant change over time in the poll. They lost two points in the past year, after an election that supposedly hailed their return to control over the political process.
All three groups are important, and all three are relevant, regardless of the claims of triumphalists on either pole. Conservativism clearly has not lost any ground, and as the big-spending policies of the Obama administration unfold, one can expect a greater increase in both numbers and passion for conservatives. Liberals, too, will rally to their first White House in eight years. As Obama continues to push his hard-Left agenda, expect the moderates to decline even further as American voters choose sides.
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a conservative storm is brewing
deedtrader on June 15, 2009 at 2:17 PM
The teaparty in Houston is a great illustration, if you care to cover it.
Terrific success, and not a single racist poster that I saw.
:)
AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 2:17 PM
AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 2:18 PM
i read this earlier and felt hopeful. was wondering if and how ed or AP would write it up.
still hopeful!
homesickamerican on June 15, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Most Americans couldn’t find their ass with both hands, even with the State telling them where to find it. That’s precisely why we have a Socialist President, and political pigs in perpetuity in Congress.
Polls mean nothing. Tomorrow, the cattle will “moo” in another direction.
OhEssYouCowboys on June 15, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Conserve this.
BobMbx on June 15, 2009 at 2:20 PM
The “change’ is coming.
upinak on June 15, 2009 at 2:20 PM
What is significant is the drop in Republican indentification which tells you that right now we have many conservaties and conservative leaning moderates who hate the republican party.
Reagan’s landslide in 84 was only 58 percent of the voting population so that is about the top end we could ever get.
kangjie on June 15, 2009 at 2:21 PM
After the last year I certainly welcome a retreat to the middle. One step at a time baby!
kahall on June 15, 2009 at 2:23 PM
No….the problem is in how people identify themselves. A person who agrees with much of what Obama is doing might see himself as Moderate or even Conservative. I have Liberal friends who think this way.
genso on June 15, 2009 at 2:26 PM
I can live with 58%………
marktarheel on June 15, 2009 at 2:26 PM
My friend, who is a Dem, says, “We all say we’re fiscally conservative, socially liberal.
LOL*
She’s got a good point.
Only a small minority really likes the anti-abortion/racist segregationist crowd.
That’s probably a good thing.
AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 2:28 PM
I think a big problem with surveys like this is with the labels themselves. A lot of people self-identify as “moderates” solely because they think it makes them sound sophisticated and thoughtful. God knows what they really believe about anything.
cruadin on June 15, 2009 at 2:29 PM
yep. i have heard at least 3 people who describe themselves as “conservative” tell me that they voted for obama. i just tell them that they either weren’t paying attention during the campaign or they don’t know what conservatism really is.
homesickamerican on June 15, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Most liberals I know are certain they’re right down the middle.
John the Libertarian on June 15, 2009 at 2:30 PM
What percentage couldn’t answer the phone because they were outside scraping the Obama stickers off their SUV?
Laura in Maryland on June 15, 2009 at 2:30 PM
In six months to a year, identifying oneself as a liberal will be much like identifying oneself as a leper. And in two years, you’ll be able to find more people who will admit they voted for Carter than Obama.
LibTired on June 15, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Generally I’m one of the first saying polls are fiction. This one is too, even though it seems to illustrate an idea I find encouraging.
I think the swing is much greater than the poll suggests, like the tip of an oncoming iceberg. Every single person I know who voted for Bozo Hussein have told me they really regret it and a couple have actually asked for forgiveness.
dogsoldier on June 15, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Poll seemed a bit overhyped (thanks Drudge!). There’s nothing really new here. Conservatives have been at around 40 per cent for a while and Liberals have been at 20 per cent for decades.
With those statistics, Clinton was elected twice, Bush was elected twice, and Obama elected. And the Congress changed hands twice.
So it’s interesting, but meaningless.
YYZ on June 15, 2009 at 2:31 PM
i see that you’ve accepted the myth that conservatives are racists. that’s a shame.
homesickamerican on June 15, 2009 at 2:31 PM
After watching the belittling of Sarah, and the absolute trashing of the T.E.A. Party attendees, this poll makes me happy because at least not everyone is willing to succumb to the nastiness of the statists and “moderate” their views.
Now, if our elected “conservatives” had the same backbone of the American PEOPLE….
Branch Rickey on June 15, 2009 at 2:32 PM
apples/oranges
John the Libertarian on June 15, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Hah!
And how many said moderate because they were afraid to be smeared as a racist conservative.
genso on June 15, 2009 at 2:32 PM
bazil9 on June 15, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Are these somehow linked in your mind, because all of the pro-life (anti-abortion) people I know are also extremely anti-racist non-segregationist.
Linking the two together as if pro-life folks are RACISTS!!! is about as dishonest as one can get.
Fatal on June 15, 2009 at 2:32 PM
So, Ed, in light of your analysis, which I think is dead on, how do you explain the “phenomenon” of moderate-ism? How can it lose ranks when push comes to shove? For those pushing and shoving would by definitions be on opposing sides, making the “middle” more visible. But if, as you suggest, the extreme nature of the current and future pushing and pulling is forcing the “moderates” to take a side, based on the Gallup poll, then when can a moderate be a moderate?
Weight of Glory on June 15, 2009 at 2:32 PM
It’s true it is how people identify themselves. Some serious lefties think they are moderate. LOL!
I’m an Independent, who is more conservative than moderate. There are few issues that I lean a little left, but this president is forcing me right everyday.
JAM on June 15, 2009 at 2:33 PM
homesickamerican on June 15, 2009 at 2:33 PM
OMG That gets my vote for funniest thread post!
dogsoldier on June 15, 2009 at 2:33 PM
And to them, MSNBC is a reasonable and rational network, and David Letterman is a harmless stand-up comic just trying to make a buck.
BuckeyeSam on June 15, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Bad news: I read the 2012 election results from Iranian sources today… Obama was re-elected in a landslide.
Carter is ready to verify the results.
mankai on June 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Or maybe we’re just moving beyond highly partisan politics.
I agree with Obama on healthcare. I agree on TARP, although it was scary as heck. I don’t agree on GM. I don’t agree on Gay rights. I agree on Iran comments. I agree on appointing Gates. I agree on the military budget issues. I don’t agree on Afghanastan. I don’t agree on the speech to the Middle East.
In short, he’ proving to be quite a fluid president. I have to give him kudos on this.
He may well undo the highly partisanship in the country with his tactics.
That was a stated goal. I stated in an earlier post that there are many who may need to join the teaparties, since they agree.
I wasn’t really entirely kidding. He may be good at confusing the lines.
That’s OK. I agree with Bill C. The biggest problem is the divisiveness.
It’s still too soon to issue a report card, but he sure is confusing the lines.
AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM
To me, this just points out the fact most Americans feel they are funtioning under a representative government (overstating the obvious); “…election over now I can go back to living…” YAWN…..
HOWEVER, many are waking up to notice that GM doesn’t mean the same thing and that the CITIGROUP cabal (the same bunch that has CITIGROUP in hoc upto their noses to UAE sovereign wealth funds…) is in charge of the treasury.
That being said, we are lucky that most Americans do wake up during a period of time when our federal government cannot move fast enough to “remake” America. I am thankfull for one thing from the belt-way: getting something done via legislation is kind of like maneuvering a two-trailer’ed long haul truck through a go-cart track; too many curves.
Of course the current make-up of the executive and legislative branches reflect an arrogance blinding them of the curves in the track and to notice they’ve run off the track.
Proof in the pudding come 2010…?
lpierson on June 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM
51% of the country now identifies as pro life. Hardly a small minority.
Beoir on June 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM
people are starting to pay attention to what’s becomeing of our country and our way of life, i am hopeful for good results in the mid terms.
SHARPTOOTH on June 15, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Obama is a very polarizing figure. There is one internet polling site I look at rather often that breaks votes down by party affiliation. If the question is, “do you support Obama policy X,” a typical breakdown will go something like 30-70 Republicans, 40-60 Independents, 95-5 Democrats.
kc8ukw on June 15, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Fluid…..as in manipulative and adept at dancing around the truth? Is that what you mean?
genso on June 15, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Are these code words for pro-life and anti-illegal immigration?
canditaylor68 on June 15, 2009 at 2:37 PM
and that 51% are all racial segregationists, doncha know.
homesickamerican on June 15, 2009 at 2:37 PM
+100. good call.
homesickamerican on June 15, 2009 at 2:38 PM
The racist/segregationist Democrats I know of are all pro-abortion.
littleguy on June 15, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Who are they? Brunn supported abortion eugenics… judged people by the color of their skin… and he opposed the “neo-Con” war in Iraq… that’s a pretty large group, I’d say… they’re called “Democrats” (and that’s a very bad thing).
Shame he’s in jail… Brunn/Phelps would be a well-balanced Democrat ticket.
mankai on June 15, 2009 at 2:38 PM
After a constant media effort of misinformation as to the meaning of conservatism, I am happily surprised at these Gallop polls.
Another way to say this is I live in Hollywood, and I know ppl who consider themselves in with the far left crowd and give visible physical support to them, and yet, personally they live and believe in conservative values. Poll any of these ppl and they will say they are proudly liberal, and they themselves really believe it.
Danzo on June 15, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Oh gosh, let’s not introduce immigration into the mix. LOL*
We’ll really all end up cranky. :)
I’m from LA. The majority of “illegal immigrants” are terrific people.
I just can’t get behind the hate on that issue.
AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Citing this Gallup poll. Rush Limbaugh on his program today suggested that Sarah Palin could run with the 40% of conservatives and parlay that into taking Obama down in 2012.
Yes, Virginia, Rush Limbaugh today on his program said that Sarah Palin could beat Obama in 2012.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but never in Rush’s 20 years in syndication has Rush ever come out this strongly for any potential Presidential candidate.
technopeasant on June 15, 2009 at 2:41 PM
He’s always been clear as mud. It’s called dishonest in rubeland and “nuanced” in your world.
Schadenfreude on June 15, 2009 at 2:41 PM
You and your “friends” again… these are the fiscal conservatives who supported the most Marxist man ever to be nominated on a major ticket… because he supports the precious right of sticking scissors in the backs of the heads of babies.
Either they’re lying or they’re heartless idiots.
mankai on June 15, 2009 at 2:41 PM
OK, I’m for the state getting out of the marriage business, pro drug legalization & prostitution legalization. Those would seemingly be “liberal” positions. Yet I also am pro Second Amendment (heck, I’m pro all of the Bill of Rights), and oppose all this new spending. So does that mean I’m conservative?
I certainly do not think my positions are “moderate.” That’s the problem with this liberal/moderate/conservative split. Sometimes each of them wants bigger government while I want less government, especially federal government.
rbj on June 15, 2009 at 2:42 PM
I agree. I and many others are totally opposed to the state dictating to the individual on medical choices.
I can’t understand why “conservatives” don’t agree with me on this.
But I accept it.
AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 2:43 PM
I think the current administration is forcing people to choose sides. For what seems like ages, we either didn’t care what was going on in DC, or what they were doing really didn’t matter to us. It’s only when an administration comes in that is so breathtakingly incompetent that the masses finally notice. It’s no longer “the other guy’s problem”… it’s become everyone’s, and I think the polls will continue to show the public’s growing displeasure with Messiah & Co.
n0doz on June 15, 2009 at 2:43 PM
It’s the way of insecurity….find the crowd that accepts you and adopt their philosophy to ensure ongoing acceptance.
genso on June 15, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Democrats control the presidency, the white house, and have 60 votes in the Senate, pending Franken.
But conservatives do well in a gallup poll.
Looks like victory to me!
e-pirate on June 15, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Heartless useful idiots.
myrenovations on June 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM
How about getting behind upholding the law on that issue?
mankai on June 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM
The Neo-Nazi living down the street from me thinks he’s “Mainstream American”, my best friend’s brother-in-law is a dyed in the wool liberal (and he proves it way too often) and he says he a moderate. SO, you’ll pardon me if I don’t quite buy all those numbers from the poll mmkay?
44Magnum on June 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Oh gosh, let’s not introduce immigration into the mix. LOL*
We’ll really all end up cranky. :)
I’m from LA. The majority of “illegal immigrants” are terrific people.
I just can’t get behind the hate on that issue.
AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 2:40 PM
to hold people accountable for breaking the law is not hate.
SHARPTOOTH on June 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM
I believe it too.
Oink on June 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM
I and many others are totally opposed to the state dictating to the individual on medical choices.
I can’t understand why “conservatives” don’t agree with me on this.
………
It’s really not complicated.
That you can’t “understand” it, speaks volumes about you.
artist on June 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM
That’s the tricky part about this labeling people by ideology and trying to equate it in any meaningful way to the mood of the nation. Most of my friends and I consider ourselves social and fiscal conservatives but not necessarily Republicans because the party sold out to the left-leaning wing of the party and folks like John McCain and Arlen Specter instead of holding on to the traditional bedrock values of the GOP.
On the whole, I’d say the nation isn’t anywhere as liberal on social issues as the special interests would have you believe. These groups take the prevailing attitudes in a few large cities and declare that “All Americans” feel the same on a given topic. If that were true, same sex marriage wouldn’t have been defeated every time it comes up for a public vote- even in the rat hole that is California.
Conversely, I don’t think anybody feels good about how much money the feds under this Democrat rubber stamp machine has spent. That doesn’t necessarily make us all fiscal conservatives but simply even greedy Democrats have their limits and the Congress and filthy liar in the White House has even disgusted all but the greediest of Democrats (though most refuse to admit it in public).
highhopes on June 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM
You counted Lieberman and the blue dogs (be happy, though delusional).
Schadenfreude on June 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM
I am not ashamed to confess, I have never been empathic to anyone who talks this way.
I just don’t relate at all.
At all.
So I’ve learned to simply accept that you exist, believe this, and we don’t need to battle.
You’re allowed your opinion. I’m allowed mine.
That’s good enough.
AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Oh good grief. You’re really pretty dense. There are very good reasons why people flooding into our country is a bad idea, but your brain is a tad too mushy from being beat to a pulp with political correctness and multiculturalism to be able to think on it’s own.
Drop the “hate” thing as well.
darwin on June 15, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Then it is time for a nice big glass of tea.
highhopes on June 15, 2009 at 2:46 PM
This whole Obama thing has been like infatuation and any of us that made it through the teen years alive realize infatuation is a very temporary emotion. Nothing like a strong dose of reality to kill that crush.
joedoe on June 15, 2009 at 2:46 PM
We have this crazy notion that sucking a babies out of their mothers’ wombs as they scream in horror is somehow not a “medical choice.”
Republicans also had the zany idea that, despite what Democrats believed, whipping black men and raping black women was not a “property rights” issue.
mankai on June 15, 2009 at 2:46 PM
And when you ask Americans what they are, 85% will say that they are middle class when that is not even close to being soci-economically true.
myrenovations on June 15, 2009 at 2:46 PM
the fact that you think that this is a “hate” issue shows that you don’t understand the debate, AT ALL. it’s irrelevant what the color of their skin is or whether or not they are “terrific people”.
the point is that they have entered our country illegally and are receiving taxpayer dollars, whether it’s in the form of social services or in the form of law-enforcement resources to arrest and incarcerate them for breaking immigration and sometimes other laws.
homesickamerican on June 15, 2009 at 2:47 PM
The majority of “illegal immigrants” are terrific people.
I just can’t get behind the hate on that issue.
AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 2:40 PM
1. You don’t “know” the majority of illegals.
2. You don’t understand the depth of the issue.
Stop embarassing yourself by typing less.
artist on June 15, 2009 at 2:47 PM
I’d like to see this happen, but I doubt it will anytime soon. I don’t see Obama as trying to bring sides together, as much as I see him taking politically expedient stands on issues that could hurt the Democrats in 2010. His stated plans are decidedly partisan, and I am of the opinion that he will drop the facade if the Dems do well in 2010.
Tonus on June 15, 2009 at 2:47 PM
No it’s not. “Your” opinion is shoved down our throats and our tax money is used to pay for it. You get your way, with activist judges … and then to add insult to injury use our damn money to pay for it.
darwin on June 15, 2009 at 2:47 PM
I fail to understand the coorleation between anti-abortion, and racist-segregationist.
I am a total anti-abortion type person, who holds no racist point of view.How can you just put that up there like that, it makes absolutely no sense at all.
see this from may 15…
If you want to see some racist politics, just look at the history of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY
Pass this along to some of your democratic friends…..
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on June 15, 2009 at 2:47 PM
I just noticed about ten minutes ago when I was coming in from lunch, there are no more Obama stickers in our parking lot.
Harpoon on June 15, 2009 at 2:49 PM
What’s interesting here is the moderate/liberal totals vs. moderate/conservative.
Adding moderate/liberal; you get 56%; the absolute maximum a left-of-center candidate can hope to receive in any given election. Obama is hemorraghing moderates at the moment, not surprising given his tenure so far. The country will accept a moderate left-of-center president(like Clinton), but not in the way Obama is governing. Obama got elected prenteding to be far more moderate than what he actually is governing.
The moderate/conservative total is 75%. Much, much higher than the moderate/liberal total, and indicative that we’re still a center-right country.
Norwegian on June 15, 2009 at 2:49 PM
In short, he’ proving to be quite a fluid president. I have to give him kudos on this.
He may well undo the highly partisanship in the country with his tactics.
That was a stated goal. I stated in an earlier post that there are many who may need to join the teaparties, since they agree.
I wasn’t really entirely kidding. He may be good at confusing the lines.
That’s OK. I agree with Bill C. The biggest problem is the divisiveness.
It’s still too soon to issue a report card, but he sure is confusing the lines.
AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Now I`m wondering if your parents still pay your health ins and college? Govt Healthcare will devastate the economy not to mention the level of good care. Study Canada and Englands healthcare for starters.
LSUMama on June 15, 2009 at 2:49 PM
I see quite the trend here…I mean, I’ve seen it before but of this in one thread is quite telling.
ladyingray on June 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Hear hear!
hollygolightly on June 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM
We sure could use some support on blocking the crazy, murdering criminal types and hate-filled terrorists, too. Just saying….
littleguy on June 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Well, it IS meaningful in that every single talking head on TV the past 7 months has been saying that the country has moved to the left. The truth is, only the government has moved to the left…. the same electoral “laws” still exist…. the “middle” moves back and forth depending on who has been in power for awhile…. the REAL truth… America is still center-right…. they just hated Bush with a passion. And believe me…. if we get to double digit unemployment and stay there for awhile… they’ll start hating Obama with a passion too.
BPD on June 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM
AnninCA… I’ll ask again… how many of these “medical procedures” you guide every decision by have you watched?
mankai on June 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM
I’m a huge supporter of healthcare reform. That would be a huge step forward for So. Cal. If made mandatory?
Then that would end the freebies from the gov’t on emergency care.
I am working hard on that one.
I decided that I agree…I do not want to walk over dead people. I don’t agree with the far right. I don’t want to see the healthcare system destroyed by this problem.
The solution? Public plan…mandatory.
I simply don’t agree with the “Wall” people.
But, I’m way for public policies that take into consideration that some are here just to take money out of our system.
Time to get real.
Mandatory health insurance, but a public policy that is reasonable……is a great first step.
AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 2:51 PM
And who elected the government?
YYZ on June 15, 2009 at 2:52 PM
So it is “hateful” to think immigrants should be here legally. There is a process you know and thousands of hopefuls do it the right way and they are “terrific people” too.
I am flat out against amnesty for the criminals who don’t respect our laws enough to be here legally. I would love to see a legitmate guest worker program so that there is a way to confer economic opportunity without necessarily putting somebody on the path to citizenship or having them lurk in the shadows as criminals. Nevertheless, expecting people to obey the law is not hateful.
highhopes on June 15, 2009 at 2:52 PM
ladyingray on June 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM
I concur.
bazil9 on June 15, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Which is why the ACORN voter-fraud issue will be important going forward. By your analysis, and given the debt being shoved down our throats by this administration, the next two election cycles should be owned by conservatives. The MoveOn/ACORN crowd is the only way the administration will be able to stay in power.
genso on June 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM
not when we are in a deep recession and obama and congress have already spent us into debt that will hang around our necks indefinitely.
homesickamerican on June 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM
I’m not masochistic. I don’t dabble in the dark side. I do feel terrible for women faced with horrible choices.
I’m never going to support the anti-abortion crowd.
Give that up.
Never do I want to see women back in back-alleys with coat-hangers.
Never.
So we can agree to disagree.
I like Sarah, but her postion on this probably will mean she loses my vote.
(not my support…I like her!)
But I’m not interested in debating this issue with any of you.
I’ve been quite sure about my own opinion for 30 years.
AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 2:55 PM
This is meaningless. I was at a party over the weekend chatting with a guy who described himself as “very conservative”. His actual views on things were anything but.
flipflop on June 15, 2009 at 2:55 PM
That explains it… AnninCA… I’m guess 16? 17 tops? As young as 14?
mankai on June 15, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Answer: 0
STFU
mankai on June 15, 2009 at 2:56 PM
“I’m from LA. The majority of “illegal immigrants” are terrific people.”
AnninCa- You are an idiot. “Terrific people” do not blatantly break the law in order to live off the largess of others. If you live anywhere near LA, you know that billions of our tax dollars go directly to incarcerating illegal immigrants (including horribly violent gang members and drug dealers), educating illegal immigrants and their children (for little benefit- the drop out rate is close to 50%), and providing health care and other government funded services. Without illegal immigration, our state budget would balance. Largely because of it, we are facing state bankruptcy.
LASue on June 15, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Then please kindly shut up about it.
genso on June 15, 2009 at 2:56 PM
AnninCA is an adult who has insurance through Kaiser.
She loves it.
She is also quite sure that ObamaCare will be just like her wonderful Kaiser plan, which is great because they do not over medicate.
myrenovations on June 15, 2009 at 2:56 PM
there is, sadly, a lot of that going around. it’s just liberals trying to be edgier than the ones who call themselves “progressive”.
homesickamerican on June 15, 2009 at 2:56 PM
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People who don’t follow politics, and were told by the MSM that Obama was moderate (which was easy to believe due to his complete lack of any records of doing ANYTHING)…. the same people that are now scraping off their Obama bumper stickers and are sick to their stomachs over $2 Trillion defecits.
Those people.
BPD on June 15, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Rahm and O did screw it up, with that stimulus bill and budget.
I post that often of progessive blogs.
He’s digging out of a hole now.
I agree with many, he blew his wad on paying back his cronies.
This was the real bill that could have helped Americans.
I am furious about this. BUT……I lost.
I fought harder than ever politically in my life for Hillary, because I knew healthcare reform WAS her core issue.
I lost.
AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 2:59 PM
The California sun bakes your brain?
LibTired on June 15, 2009 at 2:59 PM
You are soooooo correct. WE CANNOT AFFORD IT time to get real and stop this stupidity,before you have a bureaucrat making life and death decisions for YOU!
We have the best health care on the planet here, driven by free-market initiatives, common sense, and some of the most generous charities anywhere. To provide free anything will cost money,which means higher taxes for thos of us who actually have a job, and dont live in their parents basement,or have some kind of guilty conscience about having money.
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on June 15, 2009 at 3:00 PM
I smell a ‘Cuda beatdown….
seaplanes on June 15, 2009 at 3:00 PM
No, but thank you for your opinion.
I think I won’t.
You’re quite welcome to ignore my posts, however. I won’t take that personally.
AnninCA on June 15, 2009 at 3:00 PM
As for Illegals being terrific people I can`t dispute such a broad statement . But I can say beyond a doubt that our unsecure borders are destroying our healthcare and putting our Nation at risk. Talk to anyone who works in a Hospital they will tell you countless stories about illegals treated for free. In turn Hospitals raise prices for people with Ins to try to recoup some of the loss.Some might argue that the Govt can stop them from trying to recoup the loss but then they go bankrupt and close. Its called ripple effects.
LSUMama on June 15, 2009 at 3:01 PM
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