Video: Biden on Iran
posted at 11:33 am on June 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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In his own way, David Gregory dismantled Joe Biden on Meet the Press today. Biden kept tiptoeing around the obvious fact that Iran inexplicably and clumsily threw the election yesterday for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and insisted that the US would continue to press for engagement with whomever the mullahcracy chose as its front man. However, Gregory dug into Biden’s record and found a choice quote that demonstrates Biden’s cluelessness on Iran, and strips credibility from everything Biden says — and Biden apparently doesn’t realize it. The moment comes just before the 2-minute mark:
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GREGORY: A couple of years ago, you said the following about Ahmadinejad when you were on the campaign trail: “Ahmadinejad, the madman, is in competition with mullahs and ayatollahs who think he’s overstepped his bounds” … Biden called [him] “that wacko guy, the crazy president,” and said he would be in office for a little more than a year before being “taken out” because he threatened Shi’a interests. He’s proved to be more durable than that, hasn’t he?
BIDEN: Yes.
Anyone who thought that Ahmadinejad didn’t at all times represent exactly what the Guardian Council and Supreme Leader Ali Khameini want is projecting Western politics onto Iran — a huge mistake. As this election shows, the GC and Khameini get exactly what they want. Ahmadinejad didn’t get elected president the first time because the people of Iran wanted an obscure mayor of Tehran to run the country; the GC wanted Ahmadinejad for their own reasons. He is entirely their creature, which is why they made sure that the election this week was nothing more than a formality, although they certainly botched it badly in the end.
Note that he also dodges the question of whether Iran is a democracy. That reflects Biden’s Inspector Clouseau approach to Iran in this interview. He’s talking about “counting the votes” in an election in which the mullahs hand-picked the candidates, including the now-arrested Mirhossein Mousavi, the supposed “reformer” who found out a little late that he was just a sop to the masses. The vote count is about as relevant as the tallies for an election in Soviet Russia during the Cold War. The problem isn’t the vote count; it’s that the election was never free or fair from the very beginning.
The administration seems to keep laboring under the delusion that Iran is anything other than a theocracy run by a group of mullahs who hold all of the real power, and have no intention of sharing it. Elections are just a way to mollify the 70 million Iranians by offering them the illusion of power sharing. When the administration wakes to that fact, then they will understand that all of this handwringing over polls and vote counting is entirely ludicrous, as is the notion of continuing to offer dialogue to a regime that has made the perhaps-fatal mistake of making all of this even too obvious for the Western media.
And remember that Barack Obama chose Biden as a running mate for his foreign policy expertise.
Update: What could possibly make this more ridiculous? Joe Biden letting people know that he still is considering a run at the top job when Obama leaves office. (Both links via William Amos)
Update II: Had the wrong clip initially, but it should be fixed now.
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Great! Maybe we should start a PAC for him.
Buy Danish on June 14, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Et Tu-Pac ?
William Amos on June 14, 2009 at 12:42 PM
After Biden’s strong showing as a VP, I am absolutely sure that even the Obama Kool Aid Drinkers wouldn’t allow Slow Joe to run, much less win.
tru2tx on June 14, 2009 at 12:43 PM
The current “love us” administration does not have a clue, and won’t until they get their ‘love’ shoved up their asses. NK has already started the process.
GarandFan on June 14, 2009 at 12:44 PM
The press would clean him up so much he’d be George Washington to bambi’s Lincoln.
Never underestimate the dishonesty of the media.
clnurnberg on June 14, 2009 at 12:45 PM
The lady hits one out of the park!
Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 12:46 PM
At some point, the cluelessness of Obama and Biden with respect to foreign affairs is going to cause terrible consequences for the country.
Phil Byler on June 14, 2009 at 12:47 PM
Phil Byler,
we sail past that point for some time now.
rob verdi on June 14, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Thank you Mr. Morrissey.
Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 12:53 PM
WTF is up with Slow-Joe’s mullet?
Doesn’t he know a decent barber?
thebronze on June 14, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Not sure I’m gonna spell it right, but………
V.P. Biden appears to be continually trying to impersonate Carlos Mencia…….. “Dih di duuuuuuuh !”
E T Cartman on June 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM
And the media will pretzel the disaster into a win for Obama and the public will go back to watching Dancing with the Stars.
clnurnberg on June 14, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Dear Ed, more Biden threads, please.
Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Television is the Opium of the people, or at least the Diprivan
clnurnberg on June 14, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Ed really should do some of the other clips off that interveiw. Joe Blow was really not happy when called out about the Stimulus spending. In fact WaPO is reporting that democrats are preasuring Obama to really start to pay attention to the cry about spending too much. They are starting to feel the heat.
July 4th is really a good time for another tea party.
William Amos on June 14, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Laughter
Lolilololool
blatantblue on June 14, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Hey stupid, everybody gets a medal, no matter how bad they suck at everything. Some retards even get to be President or Secretary of State just because of their race or sex. It’s the liberal way.
TMK on June 14, 2009 at 1:01 PM
Oh God, please let this happen. For democracy’s sake please.
Savrielle on June 14, 2009 at 1:05 PM
Joe Biden “Kim Il you better play ball with the US OR ELSE !”
Kim Il “Or Else what Joe Briden ?”
Joe Biden “Or else we will have to write you a leater”
Kim Il “That Lettrer You stprid Gruy !”
William Amos on June 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Between the Norks(and China), Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Lebanon(Hezbollah) and now Iran, the only missing major player is Russia.
Given the current pace(including our Admin), late August through November would seem about right.
Earlg on June 14, 2009 at 1:10 PM
+1
petefrt on June 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM
Joe Biden “Or else we will have to write you a leater”
Kim Il “That Lettrer You stprid Gruy !”
William Amos on June 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM
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lol
Have you seen the movie “TEAM AMERICA”?
Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Not if 20 or 30 sniper teams are dispersed throughout the U.S., similar to the D.C. couple. Or, if a few Beslan type school hostage situations crop up. Or even a India type mass murder event. There is a limit, and right now there is an uneasy simmering under the surface of the citizenry. If gloves come off, there wil be a terrific backlash. Dear Leader has made us into a weak horse,..we’ll see if he can live with the aftermath.
a capella on June 14, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Not missing the story is out there
William Amos on June 14, 2009 at 1:14 PM
See, Barry,..that’s what is called a precondition. That is how it is done.
a capella on June 14, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Wow, I was just reading through this thread, thinking what a tool Boris was, and wondering when someone would suggest he be banned.
And you slid up on him, all stealthy-like, and dropped it on him.
Thanks.
massrighty on June 14, 2009 at 1:18 PM
Ed Morrissey:
Assuming he keeps providing material, a Biden thread a day will help lift spirits. The news is so grim and the MSM are so fawning to Obama, but Joe brings such laughter. He is such a joy to hear and read.
Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 1:28 PM
BetseyRoss on June 14, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Assuming he keeps providing material, a Biden thread a day will help lift spirits. The news is so grim and the MSM are so fawning to Obama, but Joe brings such laughter. He is such a joy to hear and read.
Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 1:28 PM
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+1
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Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 1:40 PM
I like this idea. It’s Biden time!
Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Yes, that’s why we were advised to gird our loins!
massrighty on June 14, 2009 at 1:49 PM
like this idea. It’s Biden time!
Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 1:44 PM
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Excellent idea. Need to think of a good name: JOE 6PAC?
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How would you like that? Kegs, cans or long neck bottle.
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And remember to recycle!
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After they are empty of course.
Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 1:52 PM
***
Joe Biden’s cluelessness in foreign policy areas was manifestly clear during the campaign. He talked about how the U.S.A. forced Hizbollah to leave Lebanon. They control the southern part of the country from the Litani River to the Israel border. They have 50,000 armed terrorists there ready to take over the country–and are part of the government.
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None of the Left Wing Media (not MSM) called him on his stupid mistatements. They flew excellent “air cover for him.
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It’s hard to decide who is worse–President Obama (PBUH) or VP Biden. Jimmuh Carter is going to look like Ronald Reagan in comparison to these two clueless clowns.
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John Bibb
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rocketman on June 14, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Greasy Joe seems a little put off that ChimpyO’s cheer leaders are asking him tough questions.
csdeven on June 14, 2009 at 1:54 PM
“the supreme leader is…..the supreme leader”
Brilliant Joe. Did you figure that out all by yourself?
infidel4life on June 14, 2009 at 1:54 PM
OMG!
It is NOT “the response of the Iranian people,” asshat!
The Mullahs chose the candidates (a fact Gregory in his brilliance never mananges to mention).
Tools, tools, tools.
ILB on June 14, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Okay, that last part made me feel bad because I didn’t consider our hostages. I guess I am still counting on Captain Global Warming to save the day.
Cindy Munford on June 14, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Every time Biden hears about Iran, he thinks about the Flock of seagalls song….
Iran…Iran so far away…..
portlandon on June 14, 2009 at 2:02 PM
This is what we have to defend ourselves against now? You’re kidding me…
pathetic
gryphon202 on June 14, 2009 at 2:06 PM
harry boris got banned, just a little further down the thread.
But your right, it’s a fairly pathetic level of discourse; the famously learned “I know you are, but what am I” gambit.
massrighty on June 14, 2009 at 2:18 PM
What’s retarded is the fact that you have nothing better to say than spouting inane epithets.
Of course you’re not retarded. You’re under-evolved.
bluelightbrigade on June 14, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Yup ! ! That’s what he said, He and Obama will
not allow Iran to go nuclear. Take it to the bank .
Texyank on June 14, 2009 at 2:41 PM
oops ! ! That’s you Government owned Bank..
Silly me. . .
Texyank on June 14, 2009 at 2:43 PM
I’d still rather have Biden as president, then the two-bit Chicago Mussolini.
At least he’d get some things right by accident.
Rebar on June 14, 2009 at 2:44 PM
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Would that be an Obama owned bank?
RalphyBoy on June 14, 2009 at 2:45 PM
5 minutes and 45 seconds of the man one heartbeat away from the presidency saying nothing…
“is this [iran] a democracy” – more importantly is THIS [usa] a democracy?
Mr_Magoo on June 14, 2009 at 2:45 PM
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Me too slow… lol
RalphyBoy on June 14, 2009 at 2:46 PM
“We are not going to allow it go nuclear”
Didn’t President Above-It-All just say the other day that no one can make that decision for another country? I’m officially confused…
Mr_Magoo on June 14, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Biden: “Everyone guessed wrong on the impact of the economic stimulus…”
Ahhhhh….Not EVERYBODY just Ogabe and his merry band of Keynesians.
Caper29 on June 14, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Obama: Joe, what happened?
Biden: The election was rigged, thugs went into the streets and started beating people.
Obama: I don’t want to know what happened in Chicago Joe. What happened in Iran.
bigtexmex on June 14, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Does that imply that they also “guessed wrong” about what the impact of immediate tax cuts would have been, such as a payroll tax holiday or other, more permanent cuts?
Their main argument against them (well, besides just being against them because we can’t have people deciding what to do with their own money, can we?) was that people would just use the money to pay down debt. Well, now we’ve got the same amount of debt amongst households (check out the first chart at this link for the Household Net Worth to Debt ratio)
http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/household-driven-deflation.html
while the government is even more indebted due to the stimulus spending and the stimulus spending isn’t accomplishing what they said it would accomplish.
At least if people had paid down debt, that would have been a good thing, since it needs to get paid eventually.
venividivici on June 14, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Never mind the insane Iran election, what’s the surprise?
But it does spark another thought about our own ‘08
election. Other than trolls popping up with blind
enthusiasm over Obama, I have yet to come in contact with
one person who admits that they voted for the crack-pot.
In fact, out in public I haven’t heard this much open
conversation between strangers (over WTF obama is doing)
since the days following 9/11. I’m serious.
betsyz on June 14, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Remember that retort when we were kids, “takes one to know one”?
Biden certainly knows one. Iran’s president or ours? So hard to tell the difference.
IrishEyes on June 14, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Biden:
He’s winning his own race! GO JOE!!!!
Ugly on June 14, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Baseball had Shoeless Joe Jackson and we’ve got Clueless Joe Biden.
Hmmm, Shoeless Joe got banned from baseball after 1920 … I wonder …
IrishEyes on June 14, 2009 at 4:24 PM
“Anyone who thought that Ahmadinejad didn’t at all times represent exactly what the Guardian Council and Supreme Leader Ali Khameini want. As this election shows, the GC and Khameini get exactly what they want.”
Isn’t this what Soros wanted and got with the 2 stooges we got shoved down our throats?
docflash on June 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM
“Guessed wrong”? Whew! For a minute I entertained the idea that there was an actual thought process involved amongst the intellectual master-minds; eggheaded formulations and complexities that, if
explained, would leave the rest of us gap-mouthed and thunder-struck just coping with our own ignorance in
such matters. Instead, they just threw a few yarrow stalks on the rug in Oval Office, got solution from I Ching book.
I can dig it.
betsyz on June 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM
I’m going to assume you’re a
girl chick womanfemale…I love it when a
girl chick womanfemale says that :DUgly on June 14, 2009 at 5:18 PM
If something of a very major incident occurs in the near future, it will be Obummer’s fault. He gave them the green light in Cairo.
By rigging the Iran presidential election result, the Supreme Leader of Iran has given Obummer and the world the finger.
Please keep in mind that Dinnerjacket was a part of that embassy siege. He was involved in what happened to those captives. He was a part of that action.
Things are very, very much worse today than before that presidential election. Barry and co do not have a clue.
maggieo on June 14, 2009 at 5:22 PM
By talking to him Obama will give Ahmadinejad a status that the election just removed.
Basilsbest on June 14, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Biden is like the village idiot that no one notices is around or pays any attention to…until he speaks.
RamRants
ramrants on June 14, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Yeah we get it, ramrants. Just link your site to your nick and be done with it :).
Ugly on June 14, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Yes, I watched it and it was shocking the way Gregory lit into Biden. He really called Biden out on everything including the failure of the Stimulus (that 150,000 jobs Obama says he created or saved was made up per Gregory), the massive federal budget deficits, the failure of Obama to reduce the unemployment rate (at 9.4% and could rise further), the proposed healthcare bill etc.
Wow! Maybe David Gregory and Bill Maher are proof that even some Obots are starting to put down the kool-aid and waking up to reality. This bodes ill for Obama when members of his own State Run Media are starting to challenge him only after 5 months.
sarahpalinfan99 on June 14, 2009 at 6:48 PM
No kidding. “Everybody” guessed wrong — except for the millions of us who were screaming “NO” at the top of our lungs, right Joe? I spent days calling and e-mailing my moronic (Democratic) congresswoman, begging her to vote against that idiotic and irresponsible spending bill. Naturally, she voted for it.
Only the Democrats (and a few dimwitted RINO Senators) got it wrong, Joe. And the rest of us are going to be reminding voters of that fact at every possible opportunity.
AZCoyote on June 14, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Last I’d heard, Alaska was pretty good off, financially, in comparison, with other states, thru this economic mess. Yet, she was SUCH a risk to some, that to be VP was scoffed at, and berated.
Obama, and Biden were trusted more, with the economy, and at some point, people even thought he was to be trusted more with foreign policy.
Now look where we are.
What’s really sad is…if in 8 years (God forbid) Biden makes a run….I’ll bet we’d never hear a peep, joke, or demeaning comment about his age.
Let’s face facts. These 2 running foreign policy? We’ll be in world war III before we know it.
capejasmine on June 14, 2009 at 7:07 PM
And that’s how it will go down. We’ll never know, really.
Ugly on June 14, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Obligatory quote:
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
Ugly on June 14, 2009 at 7:15 PM
OT: Upstate NY – 2 dead in small plane crash
Ugly on June 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM
My favorite Yeats poem, thanks Ugly.
He was a great poet and a good man.
jeff_from_mpls on June 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM
jeff_from_mpls on June 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Indeed
Ugly on June 14, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Might I comment on the Yeats poem, The Second Coming? And why people ought to take him seriously?
Yeats is part of a tradition of modern intellectuals who perceived that secularism had successfully rooted Christianity from the world, but were unsuccessful in planting their utopia. Consequently, everything is going to hell and we’re powerless to stop it. You can’t put toothpaste back in the tube.
These liberal blowhards don’t know what they’re doing. They won their little cultural revolution and yet they flail helplessly, always promising the solution is just one generation away.
Modern liberalism is nothing but razzle dazzle. But I guess if everything’s gonna go to hell, it might as well be with a laugh.
Thanks Bidem, Obama.
jeff_from_mpls on June 14, 2009 at 7:23 PM
jeff_from_mpls on June 14, 2009 at 7:23 PM
That’s why I posted it :)
Ugly on June 14, 2009 at 7:28 PM
But you made it more wordy. lol you rock
Ugly on June 14, 2009 at 7:30 PM
/I play the dumb guy in real life
//I play the really cute guy in movies
///I pretend not to be a professor of English
////I continue to not be
/////the bottom of the tree
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dot dot
Ugly on June 14, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Weird… posted a reply to a green link in Headlines… Disappeared.
Ugly on June 14, 2009 at 7:40 PM
OHH!! Nevermind :d
Ugly on June 14, 2009 at 7:45 PM
M-O-O-N, that spells distapeered
Ugly on June 14, 2009 at 7:46 PM
The sun came up today too.
mankai on June 14, 2009 at 7:47 PM
And remember we elected obama to deal with N. Korea and Iran with nuculear weapons and spend us into the poor house for the next 50 years or more. Who’s more stupid? Us or Biden(urp)
Herb on June 14, 2009 at 9:40 PM
If Dan Qualye had said half the stupid things Joe Biden said, I would have really considered him an idiot like the press purported. As it were, he came and visited MILGroup in El Slavador during his Vice Presidency and blew our MILGroup Commander away with his knowledge and insights to the war in El Salvador at the time.
Media packaging. Dan Qualyle will always be an idiot and Joe Biden will always be the faithful, loyal, hard-working Liberal America Politician and side-kick to Dear One.
hawkdriver on June 14, 2009 at 9:41 PM
I’m not 100% convinced he ever will leave, short of natural causes.
Dr. ZhivBlago on June 14, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Damn, getalife/hairy underarms got banned, and I missed it.
I must be slowing in may advancing years.
-Dave
Dave R. on June 14, 2009 at 10:51 PM
What could be more comforting than such an assurance from Joe “Foreign Policy” Biden.
God help us all.
cruadin on June 14, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Short, and yet oh so brilliant.
Thanks for doing the housecleaning, Ed.
UltimateBob on June 14, 2009 at 11:28 PM
Sort of the Stimpy to Obama’s Ren!
SuperCool on June 15, 2009 at 12:05 AM
Biden is Obama’s assassination insurance. So is Nancy Pelosi.
No one would kill Obama knowing that Biden and Pelosi are waiting in the wings.
As for a previous comment;
Biden is Pinky to Obama’s Brain. (With apologies to “Pinky and the Brain”.)
thgrant on June 15, 2009 at 1:59 AM
So here this guy is, the actual VP of the United States, and the MSM is still attacking Sarah Palin. Something’s gotta give.
Tres Angelas on June 15, 2009 at 6:56 AM
Here in Brunswick, Georgia, on July 4th, we’re having a big TEA PARTY with lots of speakers, hot dogs, cokes, people, signs, and general all-round hell-raising against this incompetent spend-everything “government”. There will be LOTS of Tea Parties that day, including one in Washington, D.C.
I’m sure the mainstream media will tab us all redneck teabaggers, since we’re not the kind of protesters they like. We shave, work, and actually know what we’re talking about.
Ahh, yes. America. Land of the led-by-idiots.
bradley11 on June 15, 2009 at 8:26 AM
Did anyone notice Letterman making jokes about Biden’s daughter?
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03282009/news/nationalnews/friend_of_bidens_daughter_shopping_tape__161772.htm
Dr Evil on June 15, 2009 at 9:59 AM
Heh. America ran in fear from a rural state Governor as Vice Presidential candidate because she wasn’t from the northeast, and ended up with this impossibly clownish tool.
Two Presidential runs – 22,000 total primary votes.
The entire right side of the electorate knows he’s a tool – 0 votes.
300,000,000 people – 22,000 fans. Run, Joe, Run!
Jaibones on June 15, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Hey didnt mattel toy company create GI Joe from Joe the Gaffe and his long Military Career? Oh im sorry he never served,missed the draft,Obama never served cause he isnt an American citizen,The Truth is out!These left wing Late night cancers should talk about that!
Roadking85 on June 15, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Barack Obama chose Biden as a running mate for his foreign policy expertise. So far all of Obama’s policies are foreign and Biden’s is of no help, as usual.
MSGTAS on June 15, 2009 at 10:32 AM
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