CNN producer: Iranian students say they’re doomed if Obama accepts the election

posted at 9:14 pm on June 14, 2009 by Allahpundit

Much depends on the meaning of “accepts,” though, doesn’t it? I’m sure we’ll get some patented Hopenchange drivel tomorrow about “grave concerns,” etc, but if Iran’s kids are expecting The One to walk away from nuke negotiations in protest of the coup, they’re kidding themselves. For one thing, that’s something Bush would do, and of course Bush was never, evah right. For another, if Obama walks away then he’s essentially betting all his chips on a full-blown counterrevolution to erupt and topple the regime. If it doesn’t, or if it’s put down a la Tiananmen Square, Khamenei et al. will be in no mood to forgive and forget. Which means it’s either war to take out Iran’s nuke infrastructure or learn to stop worrying and love the Iranian bomb. Israelis are learning already!

What if Obama did walk away, though? There’s actually another possibility here: Western leaders protest the result by ending negotiations and refusing to recognize Ahmadinejad as president, which in turn encourages protesters to keep up their agitation for several more months. Paralyzed and afraid of being overthrown, the regime becomes so desperate that it agrees to give up the nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of all sanctions and renewed diplomatic ties with the U.S. in hopes that the economic turnaround produced by the influx of foreign capital will placate the people. The dilemma for The One here is that he campaigned on the moronic assumption that Iran might conceivably be willing to make a deal on nukes if we just talked nice to them or sweetened our offer a bit. Now comes the moment of truth: Does he really believe that? Does he honestly believe, after years of stonewalling, with the country maybe a year away from being able to build a bomb, that they’re going to throw in the towel now? If not, then walk away. There’s no downside and potentially a tremendous upside if the regime falls or a grateful Mousavi ends up being installed as president. And needless to say, from a moral standpoint, he’d be on the side of the angels. Conflict with the regime is inevitable; if the Iranian public’s willing to fight our battle for us, let’s support them with all we’ve got. As Hitchens eloquently puts it, “Fascism at home sooner or later means fascism abroad. Face it now or fight it later.”


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Well, Obama has already made our already low approval ratings in Iran drop another 5% over last year.

Viva la change!

MikeSC on June 14, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Yeah, these are the same “student” who would mock George Bush who would have stood up for them but bow respectfully to Obama who won’t think twice to throw them under the bus.

promachus on June 14, 2009 at 9:17 PM

Ogabe:”Who are we to tell you what to do…”

Caper29 on June 14, 2009 at 9:18 PM

“Present”

the_nile on June 14, 2009 at 9:19 PM

Obama to vote present on Iranian crisis in 3…2…1…

doriangrey on June 14, 2009 at 9:20 PM

Bill Crystal was talking about this today. He said Sec. Clinton should call the gentleman that lost and make sure he is okay. Sort of play both sides of the fence. It sounds very nuanced and I am not sure our president is up for the challenge.

Cindy Munford on June 14, 2009 at 9:20 PM

Which means it’s either war to take out Iran’s nuke infrastructure or learn to stop worrying and love the Iranian bomb. Israelis are learning already!

False choice…Obama thinks Ahmadinejad is da bomb. He’ll teach ‘them Jews’ something, alright. Merry Kwanzaa, Reverend Wright!

AUINSC on June 14, 2009 at 9:21 PM

Students…LOL

Wade on June 14, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Glad you’re involved Allahpundit!!!

AmeriKeith on June 14, 2009 at 9:22 PM

You kids are not only dead, Obamas going to claim you as carbon offsets.

Chuck Schick on June 14, 2009 at 9:24 PM

If the Iranian’s are hoping for change via BO, they are in for a rude awakening.

txag92 on June 14, 2009 at 9:24 PM

Paralyzed and afraid of being overthrown, the regime becomes so desperate that it agrees to give up the nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of all sanctions and renewed diplomatic ties with the U.S. in hopes that the economic turnaround produced by the influx of foreign capital will placate the people.

These are Mullahs we’re talking about, not you’re average politicians.

myrenovations on June 14, 2009 at 9:24 PM

I don’t know if you will answer Allah, but how hard is it to keep up with this and all the different news/technology sources. Is it pretty fast and furious?

Cindy Munford on June 14, 2009 at 9:24 PM

With the exception of Youtube and Twitter none of this is new… the only dynamic is BHO, one man, and if you believe he is the folcrum than this cult of personality has expanded toward those that fear he is The One…

mjbrooks3 on June 14, 2009 at 9:25 PM

“These are not the Iranians I thought I know”

NoFanofLibs on June 14, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Glad you’re involved Allahpundit!!!

AmeriKeith on June 14, 2009 at 9:22 PM

I second that. Thank you for keeping us informed. This is huge.

mountaineer for liberty on June 14, 2009 at 9:26 PM

appeals to Obama

Sadly, they’re under the common misconception that BHO actually cares.

jgapinoy on June 14, 2009 at 9:27 PM

As long as I can remember the overthrow of the entire government was considered the best possible option but I am sure that now that it might be at hand, it would require all or most of the world to act as one voice. I am sure that’s what is going on now and I shouldn’t bust on the president because every leader is facing these same questions. Each one will also have to argue his position. I don’t think this could work without a unified front.

Cindy Munford on June 14, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Do you think Obama will offer those Iranian students some Stafford Loans or a chance to join the Americorps program–? Maybe they could sign up for Obama info on Twitter and he could send a little e-hope and e-change. That’ll really be comforting when they’re getting their teeth kicked in….

I wonder if they’re going to retract the “excited about the robust debate” statement….? Ha, robust debate in Iran equates to voter fraud, unfair elections and power grabs….hell, that sounds like here!

ted c on June 14, 2009 at 9:29 PM

From the Guardian:

“Ahmadinejad hails new era of hope”

Where did he get that from?

broker1 on June 14, 2009 at 9:29 PM

What if Obama did walk away, though? There’s actually another possibility here: Western leaders protest the result by ending negotiations and refusing to recognize Ahmadinejad as president, which in turn encourages protesters to keep up their agitation for several more months. Paralyzed and afraid of being overthrown, the regime becomes so desperate that it agrees to give up the nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of all sanctions and renewed diplomatic ties with the U.S. in hopes that the economic turnaround produced by the influx of foreign capital will placate the people.

Yeah, right. And if you believe that I have a really nice bridge for sale.

johnsteele on June 14, 2009 at 9:30 PM

Oblameless’ support of Odinga in the Kenyan election should have been an indication of how he’d view Imanutjobs methods during the Iranian election.

mossberg500 on June 14, 2009 at 9:31 PM

i’m not sure Obama is capable of making a strong stance that he cannot, at some later point, reverse himself on.

he’s not done it yet.

toenail on June 14, 2009 at 9:32 PM

The dilemma for The One here is that he campaigned on the moronic assumption that Iran might conceivably be willing to make a deal on nukes if we just talked nice to them or sweetened our offer a bit. Now comes the moment of truth: Does he really believe that?

I’ve got a better question: Other than whatever advances his political fortunes….Does Obama “really believe” anything?

tgharris on June 14, 2009 at 9:32 PM

There will be no Revolution. Next week this will be a distant memory. Congress has some pictures it wants to release…

mjbrooks3 on June 14, 2009 at 9:33 PM

What does Axelrod think? That’s what really matters, Obama has no idea what it is he’s doing.

My bet is that these inept, dimwitted clowns in the White House do exactly the wrong thing. As they’ve done on the economy so far.

NoDonkey on June 14, 2009 at 9:33 PM

I wonder if they’re going to retract the “excited about the robust debate” statement….?

ted c on June 14, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Retract? Obama will just wave his hand and all memory of him every saying it will be gone.

Retractions are for ordinary leaders.

myrenovations on June 14, 2009 at 9:33 PM

From the Guardian:

“Ahmadinejad hails new era of hope”

Where did he get that from?

broker1 on June 14, 2009 at 9:29 PM

From deep within their hearts. The UK leftys support the dinner jacket. He hates Israel, Jews, and America. How can they not love him?

Blake on June 14, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Not only will Chairman Maobama throw the freedom movement under the bus, but he’ll send more ACORN canvassers to Teheran to show the mullahs how grease the right wheels and make dinnerjacket look cool.

Western_Civ on June 14, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Rush’s question tomorrow (???)

Does Obama want the students to fail?

Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 9:34 PM

OK, back to work ;)

Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Does Obama “really believe” anything?

tgharris on June 14, 2009 at 9:32 PM

Just in Obama.

atheling on June 14, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Must see video of the day:

Ahmadinejad Attacked and Jeered at Sharrif University on Election Day

This is unbelievable that he even got ONE vote.

broker1 on June 14, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Glad you’re involved Allahpundit!!!

AmeriKeith on June 14, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Yeah, I’m waiting for the AP Meghan McCain post on this topic. Maybe Michelle can just hire her and cut out the middle man.

mossberg500 on June 14, 2009 at 9:36 PM

upstater85…
I also anticipate Rush’s take on the matter.

mjbrooks3 on June 14, 2009 at 9:36 PM

VP Joe: is this the test you predicted?

– The situation seems simple enough to understand,
– The action required is not difficult (only words),
– We’re all watching.

Steel Spine Time.

Arbalest on June 14, 2009 at 9:36 PM

From the Guardian:

“Ahmadinejad hails new era of hope”

Where did he get that from?

broker1 on June 14, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Hehe, go to the British Conservative Party’s website and see what their “mantra” is. Blech!

atheling on June 14, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Fascism at home sooner or later means fascism abroad

The internal nature of a regime affects its external policies.

If they view their own people as property, if they’re willing to kill their own citizens as part of their goals, why would they be concerned about non-Iranians or other people?

This, fundamentally, is the problem with realpolitik.

Yes, sometimes you have to recognize the limits of your own power and your ability to influence others. But this recognition must come with an understanding that you’re doing this out of necessity and not because the nation you’re dealing with is anything other than an adversary, if not worse.

President Obama thinks that his own character, his own background is sufficient to settle difference between the two sides, both of whom are culpable. Sorry, sir, you’re not an observer in this game; you’re a player. Pick sides.

SteveMG on June 14, 2009 at 9:36 PM

mossberg500 on June 14, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Hey! Allahpundit is doing an excellent job in keeping us all up to date.

Blake on June 14, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Drudge reports that friends of Mousavi are going to ask for fatwas that Ahmadinejad is not their President…

If Obama accepts that A won and the students etc are crushed does that mean all the anger that is now directed at it’s own government will be redirected towards the US?

Isn’t this Egypt, the Blind Sheikh, etc all over again?

journeyintothewhirlwind on June 14, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Obama has no courage. He is a coward. He will not support the dissidents and they will be slaughtered in numbers. He’ll spin it somehow to deflect from his blame. He has no conscience. Nor does Hillary. But we already knew that.

mimi1220 on June 14, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Arbalest…
percisely, a situation that requires words and the sophist may fall silent.

mjbrooks3 on June 14, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Vapid hope and change rhetoric is a smokescreen for indifference to human rights abuses.

rob verdi on June 14, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Show’em your shoe, BarackO, I dare ya!

hillbillyjim on June 14, 2009 at 9:40 PM

From the Guardian:

“Ahmadinejad hails new era of hope”

Where did he get that from?

broker1 on June 14, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Well, he couldn’t really say there was going to be any change, now, could he. So he lifted half of the One’s motto.

Wethal on June 14, 2009 at 9:40 PM

You give Obama way too much credit Allah, like he is actually considering what he might do to come to the aid of the Iranian people.

His primary concern was, is and always will be his own image and popularity. Maintaining the proper image and upholding his popularity with his cult following is accomplished via campaign-like junkets to town hall meetings where he reads off of his teleprompter, not by stepping onto the world stage and acting like a president.

fogw on June 14, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Obama’s silence=Approval!!

canopfor on June 14, 2009 at 9:41 PM

It would be kind of interesting if we all went out and visibly protested in support of Iran’s students, so that when the Golden Calf betrays them, he will be seen as the bad guy, not America.

atheling on June 14, 2009 at 9:42 PM

AP, for all the slag you take here at times, you really do deserve a thumbs up for keeping us informed.

sybilll on June 14, 2009 at 9:43 PM

“To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.”
— President Barack Obama, Inaugural Address 2009

Obama to Iranian students, “Get lost!”

SteveMG on June 14, 2009 at 9:44 PM

Man, the right-wing commentary on Iran is incredibly myopic. All you can talk about is how bad this is for Obama and when we should start bombing, but you’re ignoring what’s really going on. Either Mousavi or Ahmadinejad will continue the nuclear program, and will negotiate firmly in what is perceived to be in their country’s interest. The real reason Mousavi is preferable to Ahmadinejad is that he is more likely to loosen the oppressive social/political laws of Iran. Notice that people are not attacking America in this uprising, because they are directing their anger at their own government. The more power people have over their own lives, the less likely they are to support lashing out at another country as a scapegoat. The US government is keeping quiet because its unwise for it to open itself up for blame if it throws its weight behind one faction and then everything goes to hell (even more than it already has). Right now, Ahmadinejad, Khamenei, et al. own this sh!tstorm, and it would be foolish for us to go rushing in to claim a piece of it right now.

Big S on June 14, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Paralyzed and afraid of being overthrown, the regime becomes so desperate that it agrees to give up the nuclear program. . .

only in Hollywood, in the last ten minutes of the movie.

Skandia Recluse on June 14, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Iran nothing. . .

We accepted it and we are doomed. Our election was almost as rigged. . . .Thank you Acorn, Soros, Hollywood etc.

Texyank on June 14, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Much depends on the meaning of “accepts,” though, doesn’t it? I’m sure we’ll get some patented Hopenchange drivel tomorrow about “grave concerns,” etc, but if Iran’s kids are expecting The One to walk away from nuke negotiations in protest of the coup, they’re kidding themselves. For one thing, that’s something Bush would do, and of course Bush was never, evah right. For another, if Obama walks away then he’s essentially betting all his chips on a full-blown counterrevolution to erupt and topple the regime.

Wait. I wonder how many Americans will be upset if we walked away from negotiations. If not mistaken didn’t polls show that most Americans wanted us to negotiate w/ the Iranians even with out preconditions. Sadly I’m concerned that most of Americans would not support Obama in walking away from negotiations. What does that say about our country.

terryannonline on June 14, 2009 at 9:45 PM

How do you say bus in urdu?

Lonetown on June 14, 2009 at 9:46 PM

I vote……
PRESENT!!!!!

victor82 on June 14, 2009 at 9:46 PM

er Farsi?

Lonetown on June 14, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Either Mousavi or Ahmadinejad will continue the nuclear program, and will negotiate firmly in what is perceived to be in their country’s interest.

This is far beyond Mousavi and this particular election.

This is – or could be – a direct challenge to the very legitimacy of the Mullahs and the rulers of the country.

If they can no longer unilaterally choose who runs the country, then all bets are off.

SteveMG on June 14, 2009 at 9:47 PM

From the Guardian:

“Ahmadinejad hails new era of hope”

Where did he get that from?

broker1 on June 14, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Hehe, go to the British Conservative Party’s website and see what their “mantra” is. Blech!

atheling on June 14, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Ahmadinejad Adopts Obama’s ‘Yes We Can’ Slogan

canditaylor68 on June 14, 2009 at 9:48 PM

I vote……
PRESENT!!!!!

victor82 on June 14, 2009 at 9:46 PM

That’s exactly what he’s done thus far. What a man of courage and integrity we elected.

TheBigOldDog on June 14, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Iran will never give up zee bomb!

canopfor on June 14, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Still mad at Bush I from turning his back on the Tienanmen protesters. Nothing US Presidents do in the name of diplomacy surprises me.

YYZ on June 14, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Still mad at Bush I from turning his back on the Tienanmen protesters. Nothing US Presidents do in the name of diplomacy surprises me.

YYZ on June 14, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Our politicians are a bunch of cowards…Republican and Democrat alike…plain and simple.

terryannonline on June 14, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Sorry students, you’re doomed.

FireBlogger on June 14, 2009 at 9:52 PM

I’m sure we’ll get some patented Hopenchange drivel tomorrow about “grave concerns,” etc, but if Iran’s kids are expecting The One to walk away from nuke negotiations in protest of the coup, they’re kidding themselves.

“On the one hand, sure, that guy got his brains beat out. But on the other hand, Rodney King.”

Jim Treacher on June 14, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Hey! Allahpundit is doing an excellent job in keeping us all up to date.

Blake on June 14, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Yeah, on Meghan McCain and the latest Palin slight. He’s getting distracted with all this real news stuff. There’s always tomorrow.

mossberg500 on June 14, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Obama will carpet-bomb Tehran with autograph pictures of himself.

“You`re welcome!”

ThePrez on June 14, 2009 at 9:54 PM

CNN producer: Iranian students say they’re doomed if Obama accepts the Iranian election

Earth to CNN producer: Iranian students are correct about this.

petefrt on June 14, 2009 at 9:55 PM

Wait. I wonder how many Americans will be upset if we walked away from negotiations. If not mistaken didn’t polls show that most Americans wanted us to negotiate w/ the Iranians even with out preconditions. Sadly I’m concerned that most of Americans would not support Obama in walking away from negotiations. What does that say about our country.

terryannonline on June 14, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Most polls during the campaign seemed to mirror just about every stated position from Team Obama. Surprise, surprise. I think the public would favor walking away from negotiations, but the thing is that Obama — in typical lefty fashion — has painted himself into a corner on this issue as on so many others.

Time to sit back and watch Lightworker work his magic.

ddrintn on June 14, 2009 at 9:55 PM

I think the public would favor walking away from negotiations,

I hope u are right.

terryannonline on June 14, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Big S on June 14, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Obama should support the uprising publicly to topple the mullas.

A bit like what bush did to Saddam.

the_nile on June 14, 2009 at 9:57 PM

They’d better start waving ACORN flags if they want help from Captain HOPE n’CHANGE.

profitsbeard on June 14, 2009 at 9:58 PM

agrees to give up the nuclear program

Bwahahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!!!!

They may say that, but we all know the program will find a higher gear while Ochimpy prostrates himself before them.

csdeven on June 14, 2009 at 9:58 PM

the regime becomes so desperate that it agrees to give up the nuclear program

bahahahahaha. Ya that’s a good one.

To our freedom loving friends in Iran, I’m sorry. I don’t think Obama is going to help you. I’m sorry our country elected this man who doesn’t have the brains or gumballs to stand up against tyranny. You’re going to have to live with what you have.

To our friends in Isreal, I’m sorry. I’m sorry for the same reasons I’m sorry for the people of Iran. You too will have to live, er, die with a nuclear Iran. Unless of course you can take care of the problem yourself. I just don’t see socialist Obama standing up against tyranny like he should.

boomer on June 14, 2009 at 10:00 PM

This is the crisis that Obama could use to divert the attention from the domestic man-caused disaster.

Destabilize Iran , and get your health care plan true.

the_nile on June 14, 2009 at 10:01 PM

It’s quiet now, everyone’s abed and the security team is all that’s still active at the WH. The POTUS is sitting in the recliner next to the master bed, his wife sweetly turning the pages of Ebony, from the back, forward. He lovingly fixes his gaze towards her, she coyly ignores his glances unaware that in his head is the drumming refrain “what the fcuk!?”

ericdijon on June 14, 2009 at 10:02 PM

If these Iranian protestors are “students” one wonders what they are studying. Perhaps they are the current generation’s analog to the batch who took over our former embassy in 1979. That doesn’t bring back good memories at all.

But seriously, to the topic at hand, the diplomatic analysis seems absolutely clear as AP laid it out. So the answer is obvious: Obama will do the opposite. That would be consistent with his diplomatic record so far. :( And then he’ll rub our faces in it with a false comparison to the coup that installed the Shah during the 1950s, and go on another world apology tour.

jwolf on June 14, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Firstly- Bambi will walk away- he doesn’t have the stomach for confrontation that could lead to armed conflict. Sure, he upped the troops in Afghanistan, but that’s Bush’s war, and it’s temporary. Eventually, Dems in Congress will refuse funding and he’ll walk from it.

Secondly- that poll noted by Reuters cannot possibly be true. The Iranians must’ve done the counting ’cause there’s no way the informed in Israel can possibly think they would survive a full two years after Iran has nuclear weapons. Even if they don’t use them, if Bambi’s still in office, the pressure from the US and the constant barrage from an emboldened Lebanon and Gaza will drive the Israelis out en masse.

finally, I know there’s a lot of moderates that view this site (how it’s labeled right-wing I’ll never know) and maintain the belief that things won’t really get so out of control; that in the face of real, concrete threats the WH will follow historical protocol of defending the nation. But Bambi has yet to prove his fortitude when it comes to real controversy. He will fold like the house of cards he’s created. Mark my words…

BKeyser on June 14, 2009 at 10:03 PM

This is a no brainer. You deny the legitimacy of the election and decline to negotiate. This not only encourages the growing rebellion, but makes you a tacit ally to the people. Then, when its time to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities, there is a good chance a huge part of the population will not rally to the government’s side.

pearson on June 14, 2009 at 10:04 PM

What a man of courage and integrity we barely over 50% of us elected.

TheBigOldDog on June 14, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Fixed!

Del Dolemonte on June 14, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Wonder what % of US Persians in the US voted for Obama. 80% of Jews voted for Obama and he is taking steps to destroy Israel. Persians in the US (at least the ones I’ve known) despise the Iranian thuggery that has run the country for the past 30 years. But even so, I am guessing that the vast majority of them voted for DER OBAMA nonetheless.

Something about consequences and actions folks.

angryed on June 14, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Its 3:00AM,

sh#t has hit the fan,

there is a CRISIS,

and President Obama is SILENT!

canopfor on June 14, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Am I the only knucklehead who thinks that this goes far beyond whether Mousavi or Ahmadinejad is President?

That is, it’s a direct challenge to the legitimacy of the clerics and their ability to solely determine the presidency?

If the Iranian people are, somehow, able to prevent that, then what’s the next demand that the mullahs have to agree to?

Legitimacy is a tricky thing. Hard to win, easy to lose.

Recall Vaclav Havel’s essay, “The Power of the Powerless”? Excerpts here: Link.

SteveMG on June 14, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Either Mousavi or Ahmadinejad will continue the nuclear program, and will negotiate firmly in what is perceived to be in their country’s interest.

This is far beyond Mousavi and this particular election.

This is – or could be – a direct challenge to the very legitimacy of the Mullahs and the rulers of the country.

If they can no longer unilaterally choose who runs the country, then all bets are off.

SteveMG on June 14, 2009 at 9:47 PM

My instincts say you’re onto something. Maybe you have defined accurately the contest in Iran and thereby explained the craziness of the past few days.
.

petefrt on June 14, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Domestic Affairs and Foreign Affairs are both out of control. How does everybody like Hope and Change? May God protect us.

kingsjester on June 14, 2009 at 10:08 PM

The its over for them. Biden said this morning on Meet the Press that they are accepting Ahmacrazyguy as the president for the time being. Unless their “analysis” (read time for this to blow over and not force them to take a stand) leads them to believe otherwise.

Zaggs on June 14, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Roger Cohen in the New York Times:

I’ve argued for engagement with Iran and I still believe in it, although, in the name of the millions defrauded, President Obama’s outreach must now await a decent interval. I’ve also argued that, although repressive, the Islamic Republic offers significant margins of freedom by regional standards. I erred in underestimating the brutality and cynicism of a regime that understands the uses of ruthlessness.

They always make that mistake. Time after time after time. They never learn. Ever. Their arrogance prevents them from admitting the truth.

TheBigOldDog on June 14, 2009 at 10:09 PM

I just wanted to chime in and point out that this is the sort of brilliant analysis that makes AP one of the best bloggers out there. ;-)

DaveS on June 14, 2009 at 10:09 PM

On the plus side, if the bad guys in Iran kill off the good guys in Iran, there will be much less reason to worry about what happens if the Isralies take the whole place out. I hate that for the good guys, but then that may just be the price they have to pay for having allowed the bad guys to gain such limitless power. I suspect we are going the learn the same hard lesson at some point.

MikeA on June 14, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Oh, this is interesting:

Grand Ayatollah Sanei in Iran has declared Ahmadinejad’s presidency illegitimate and cooperating with his government against Islam. There are strong rumors that his house and office are surrounded by the police and his website is filtered. He had previously issued a fatwa, against rigging of the elections in any form or shape, calling it a mortal sin.

TheBigOldDog on June 14, 2009 at 10:10 PM

I just wanted to chime in and point out that this is the sort of brilliant analysis that makes AP one of the best bloggers out there. ;-)

Yes.

The quality of AP’s stuff is equal, at least, to that of those posting at the Foreign Policy blog. And those are people with multiple degrees in international relations, Mid East studies, et cetera.

SteveMG on June 14, 2009 at 10:12 PM

wolf on June 14, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Obama’s like Clinton. He isn’t really going to do anything bold and risky on the international front. He’ll ride the wave and see what the polling data are.

ddrintn on June 14, 2009 at 10:12 PM

May God protect us.

kingsjester on June 14, 2009 at 10:08 PM

yeah, but I am running out of rationalizations as to why He should. At least half of us actually deserve the fate that is headed our way. The other half… tough.

MikeA on June 14, 2009 at 10:12 PM

TheBigOldDog on June 14, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Where did that come from?

Cindy Munford on June 14, 2009 at 10:13 PM

The students are doomed.

Amen-jihad is the anointed one’s evil twin.

Dhuka on June 14, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Hope and Change,for Iran will now
be referred to as,

Doom and Gloom,and DinnerJacket
will be called,

Doomy/Gloomy!!(Sarc).

canopfor on June 14, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Forget that moron survey. The Israelis just had an election that said over 50% of the voters said different.

Jdripper on June 14, 2009 at 10:14 PM

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