CNN producer: Iranian students say they’re doomed if Obama accepts the election

posted at 9:14 pm on June 14, 2009 by Allahpundit

Much depends on the meaning of “accepts,” though, doesn’t it? I’m sure we’ll get some patented Hopenchange drivel tomorrow about “grave concerns,” etc, but if Iran’s kids are expecting The One to walk away from nuke negotiations in protest of the coup, they’re kidding themselves. For one thing, that’s something Bush would do, and of course Bush was never, evah right. For another, if Obama walks away then he’s essentially betting all his chips on a full-blown counterrevolution to erupt and topple the regime. If it doesn’t, or if it’s put down a la Tiananmen Square, Khamenei et al. will be in no mood to forgive and forget. Which means it’s either war to take out Iran’s nuke infrastructure or learn to stop worrying and love the Iranian bomb. Israelis are learning already!

What if Obama did walk away, though? There’s actually another possibility here: Western leaders protest the result by ending negotiations and refusing to recognize Ahmadinejad as president, which in turn encourages protesters to keep up their agitation for several more months. Paralyzed and afraid of being overthrown, the regime becomes so desperate that it agrees to give up the nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of all sanctions and renewed diplomatic ties with the U.S. in hopes that the economic turnaround produced by the influx of foreign capital will placate the people. The dilemma for The One here is that he campaigned on the moronic assumption that Iran might conceivably be willing to make a deal on nukes if we just talked nice to them or sweetened our offer a bit. Now comes the moment of truth: Does he really believe that? Does he honestly believe, after years of stonewalling, with the country maybe a year away from being able to build a bomb, that they’re going to throw in the towel now? If not, then walk away. There’s no downside and potentially a tremendous upside if the regime falls or a grateful Mousavi ends up being installed as president. And needless to say, from a moral standpoint, he’d be on the side of the angels. Conflict with the regime is inevitable; if the Iranian public’s willing to fight our battle for us, let’s support them with all we’ve got. As Hitchens eloquently puts it, “Fascism at home sooner or later means fascism abroad. Face it now or fight it later.”


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He could take it as a direct affront; and we all know that his Chicago roots show when he is directly confronted

I hope you’re right. But I don’t think that someone who “looks” like Ahmadinejad, and is the “underdog” against the oppressive Jews and West, will rile Barry up for any supposed affront. I don’t think Barry’s self-preservation gene kicks in when confronted with Iran. When the friend or foe choice kicks in, he sees friend.

btw, there is a report that Supreme Leader Khameni is beginning to cave, or has caved. (sorry for the link, but that’s where the story sent me.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/iran-demonstrations-viole_n_215189.html

6:25 AM ET — Supreme Leader Khamenei orders vote rigging probe. A huge development just in from the Associated Press:

Iran’s supreme leader ordered Monday an investigation into allegations of election fraud, marking a stunning turnaround by the country’s most powerful figure and offering hope to opposition forces who have waged street clashes to protest the re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
State television quoted Ayatollah Ali Khamenei directing a high-level clerical panel, the Guardian Council, to look into charges by pro-reform candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi, who has said he is the rightful winner of Friday’s presidential election.
The decision comes after Mousavi wrote a letter appealing to the Guardian Council and met Sunday with Khamenei, who holds almost limitless power over Iranian affairs. Such an election probe by the 12-member council is uncharted territory and it not immediately clear how it would proceed or how long it would take.
Election results must be authorized by the council, composed of clerics closely allied with the unelected supreme leader. All three of Ahmadinejad’s challengers in the election — Mousavi and two others — have made public allegations of fraud after results showed the president winning by a 2-to-1 margin.
“Issues must be pursued through a legal channel,” state TV quoted Khamenei as saying. The supreme leader said he has “insisted that the Guardian Council carefully probe this letter.”
The day after the election, Khamenei urged the nation to unite behind Ahmadinejad and called the result a “divine assessment.”

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 7:26 AM

The link to huffpo is dated the 13th, but the site is updated and the quote comes from 6/15.

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 7:29 AM

Now from FOX:

Iran Supreme Leader Orders Vote Fraud Probe

Monday, June 15, 2009

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran’s supreme leader ordered Monday an investigation into allegations of election fraud, marking a stunning turnaround by the country’s most powerful figure and offering hope to opposition forces who have waged street clashes to protest the re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 7:35 AM

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 7:35 AM

This is like Palomino’s promise to be the most ethical congress EVAH.

This is posturing and subterfuge designed to put people at ease in order to give them time to let apathy and discouragement weaken people’s resolve to fight.

Leopards do not change their spots.

csdeven on June 15, 2009 at 7:43 AM

i agree with you csdeven: leopards do not change their spots. since when has ahmadinejad & the mullahs taken a notion to become freedom fighters?

they are trying to calm world opinion. period. status quo by end of june.

kelley in virginia on June 15, 2009 at 7:47 AM

we missed an opportunity, but i still don’t know what we could have done. except for bambi to make a strong speech. he only does that when he’s surrendering.

kelley in virginia on June 15, 2009 at 7:47 AM

This is like Palomino’s promise to be the most ethical congress EVAH.

I think it’s different. It’s easy to lie to Americans. We’re used to it now, and expect it from our pols. But I think what this would mean in Iran is something more akin to an acknowledgment by the Pope that the Vatican had been involved in shenanigans.

This is an admission of fallibility on the part of the religious authorities. That might yet prove fatal, even if not today.

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 7:52 AM

Sean Penn is looking for a leaky boat .Annette Benning is having her nails done.

Hollywood…….

nondhimmie on June 15, 2009 at 7:54 AM

Who will Obama heart if Andy goes away?

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 7:55 AM

Well, if we fail the Iranians again, then their cries this time will be fully substantiated. It’s hard to explain that a national leader doesn’t embody the will of nation to people run by fascist dictatorships, regardless of how you may try.

We have a chance to help those students strike out for freedom; a chance to stabilize their neighbors, Iraq and Afghanistan, and set in motion a democratic upheaval in that part of the world; the logical consequence of the “neocon” intiation. A middle east at peace with western values; the triumph of democracy and reform.

Will we see it through?

If we do not, then the path ahead is fraught with peril; a ntaion who cannot be taken at word or deed can not long survive. We have commited word, bond, and blood in search of this ideal; if we prove selective in who may receive our benediction, then the states we hope to see reform will not.

We must free Iran. If we do not, then our whole nation-building excersises in Iraq and Afghanistan will not bear fruit in the future.

Freedom is forever. Those who have tasted of it will stop at nothing to preserve it. Even now, in this supposedly dark hour in American history, public sentiment turns against those who would usurp the rights retained by the people and the underlying sense and knowledge of freedom of thought, word, belief, and association. When those in power over reach, the pendulum will swing back. The harder the push, the faster the swing.

flashoverride on June 15, 2009 at 8:00 AM

Freedom is forever. Those who have tasted of it will stop at nothing to preserve it. Even now, in this supposedly dark hour in American history, public sentiment turns against those who would usurp the rights retained by the people and the underlying sense and knowledge of freedom of thought, word, belief, and association. When those in power over reach, the pendulum will swing back. The harder the push, the faster the swing.

flashoverride on June 15, 2009 at 8:00 AM

True, but as recent Iranian history shows, and other history as well, it might take a generation or more for the pendulum to swing back. Those people that got out of Iran when the Rev. began back in the ’70′s, or those that got out of Venezuela a decade ago, avoided much grief. In our own “dark hour,” I’m hoping the hour is more like two years. 2010 is pivotal, 2012 is vital.

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 8:08 AM

I was surprised by the Ayatollah’s vote probe ok, but it may be nothing more than like having Mugabe’s party probing the vote in last year’s stolen election. However, I do hope that this has Amamadjihadi sweating just a little bit, cause you know this might be like giving penalty kicks to the opposition in a futbol game, to use his favorite analogy.

eaglewingz08 on June 15, 2009 at 8:14 AM

Jiangxi;

Rest assured that neither Iran nor Venezuela have bicameral legislatures with limitied tenures that trump the executive.

Just more proof that the men who founded this nation on the republican ideal were amongst the bravest, boldest, and wisest in the history of man. Makes me me proud to be from the state bearing the name of the modern day Cincinnatus.

flashoverride on June 15, 2009 at 8:20 AM

flashoverride

The generation born after WWII has not had to fight for much of anything short of our “right to party”. We didn’t have great world wars or the depths of depression (now looming). We were born into freedom and comparative wealth. We really don’t know the value of what we are giving up. Even those who oppose Ogabe’s overreaching still like the guy personally and refuse to see the depth of the waters into which we are being led. The time to swim back to shore is before you drown.
Once the pendulum reaches “socialism” Ogabe plans to weld it in place. Somebody has to stop the welder.

SKYFOX on June 15, 2009 at 8:23 AM

Rest assured that neither Iran nor Venezuela have bicameral legislatures with limitied tenures that trump the executive.

Good point. Our traditions are vastly different than theirs too. But I worry that our pop. has changed a lot, don’t share our traditional values, and receive no civics education, or just the liberal version of it.

Here’s Bill Clinton crowing yesterday about our changing country:

Bill Clinton: United States growing more diverse

By CHRISTINE SIMMONS – 1 day ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Former President Bill Clinton said Saturday that Americans should be mindful of the nation’s changing demographics, which led to the election of Barack Obama as president.

He told an Arab-American audience of 1,000 people that the U.S. is no longer just a black-white country, nor a country that is dominated by Christians and a powerful Jewish minority, given the growing numbers of Muslims, Hindus and other religious groups here.

Clinton said by 2050 the U.S. will no longer have a majority of people with European heritage and that in an interdependent world “this is a very positive thing.”

I’m just being cautious, and trying not to get too optimistic about the average non-interested American riding in to save the situation any time soon.

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 8:28 AM

No time to read all the comments. Others may have said this. But with the people of Iran refusing — THIS TIME — to accept the results of a rigged election, it’s — well, it’s almost as though seeds of democracy were sown somewhere close to them, and suddenly the people realize they should be able to control their own country.

Just can’t figure out how that happened. It couldn’t have come from democracy next door in Iraq, because the smartest people in the world all told us it doesn’t work that way.

Right?

RegularJoe on June 15, 2009 at 8:45 AM

maybe those students could use some IED equipment and explosively formed projectiles—it seems that the Rev. Guards provided those to the Iraqi insurgents, maybe we could just return the favor..???

just askin’

ted c on June 15, 2009 at 8:46 AM

I believe the “investigation” into the Iranian vote is simply a way to stall for time, quell passions, etc. The outcome will be the same.

On the other hand, look at how brave these people (Iranian protesters) are. We also thought there was fraud in our election. What did we do? Complained a bit while a fraud without a publicly disclosed birth certificate and with many “lost” school records took office and is hell bent on ruining our country (and doing a fine job of it).

katablog.com on June 15, 2009 at 8:46 AM

Jiangxi,

Clinton is a fool. Diversity means little in a free society; it should do little to change the framework. The reason I have problems with most latter-day Commies is their reliance on the “noble savage” ideal and their belief that in the beginning was socialism.

Nevermind that nature is the penulitmate lazze-faire economy: he who can kill the lesser, wins.

I don’t care about race so much as freedom. This is my biggest grudge against the race-mongers: over time, when the boundaries are removed, all things equal out. So long as freedom is preserved, I could care less about the “racial” make-up of the United States. Were the principles of freedom, laid down so many years ago, intended to be the outlook of one race? No. Even if the founding fathers wrote in things to placate the less willing among them, they left broad and wide openings for future generations to complete that expansion of freedom. As such, we have completed.

flashoverride on June 15, 2009 at 8:51 AM

“Clinton said by 2050 the U.S. will no longer have a majority of people with European heritage and that in an interdependent world “this is a very positive thing.”

Why is diversity a good thing for Europe and North America, but not for Asia, the Middle East or Africa?

ProfessorMiao on June 15, 2009 at 8:51 AM

This has to be a very bad development for the Obamulans. They cannot be seen as doing anything that Bush would have done; on the other hand, Obama’s massive support among younger people in the U.S. will take a gigantic hit if he is not seen as being behind the young people in Iran who are refusing to accept this bogus election.

Not only that, but Obama had placed a large stake in attempting to deal with Ahmadinejad, and now I am thinking that he did this because he though Ahmadinejad was going to lose this election anyway and he would never have to follow through on his commitment. Now he is well and truly stuck – he either abandons his commitment and refuses to deal with the now-illegitimate leader of Iran, thereby abandoning his biggest “change” initiative in the Middle East, or he pursues a Bush-redux policy of refusing to talk to Ahmadinejad and encouraging the popular revolt against him.

What’s a community organizer to do?

rockmom on June 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM

I don’t care about race so much as freedom. This is my biggest grudge against the race-mongers: over time, when the boundaries are removed, all things equal out. So long as freedom is preserved, I could care less about the “racial” make-up of the United States. Were the principles of freedom, laid down so many years ago, intended to be the outlook of one race? No. Even if the founding fathers wrote in things to placate the less willing among them, they left broad and wide openings for future generations to complete that expansion of freedom. As such, we have completed.

Now that’s wassup! (the ticket). :)

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 9:02 AM

I don’t care about race so much as freedom. This is my biggest grudge against the race-mongers: over time, when the boundaries are removed, all things equal out. So long as freedom is preserved, I could care less about the “racial” make-up of the United States. Were the principles of freedom, laid down so many years ago, intended to be the outlook of one race? No. Even if the founding fathers wrote in things to placate the less willing among them, they left broad and wide openings for future generations to complete that expansion of freedom. As such, we have completed.

flashoverride on June 15, 2009 at 8:51 AM

I agree with you. Clinton applauds diversity because race is the tool of the left.

ProfessorMiao on June 15, 2009 at 9:03 AM

The sort of freedom we in the west think of as a human birth right is simply incompatable with the underlying philosophy of Islam.

Many Iranians and other “moderate” middle eastern muslims see the freedom we have and want it, but they cannot have it and also be muslims – they are in a conflict with no resolution.

Westerners, on the other hand, see muslims demonstrating for freedom and think: if we support them strongly enough, then they can have freedom also.

Westerners apply their own internal values to the demonstrators, but fail to see the demonstrators’ own internal struggle – instead westerners replace the demonstrators’ struggle with their own.

Attaturk had it right. But to most here, he is just some obscure Turkish politician. The only way muslim countries can have something like our freedoms (but never the same) is to forcefully seperate the State from the religion (sic), and then ruthlessly enforce that proposition.

This senerio likely will never happen in Iran. The State is too firmly in control. The only group within Iran who could produce an Iranian Attatuk are the Parsi (followers of Zoroastrianism), and they have been all but exterminated in Iran – with most now living in India.

Friendly21 on June 15, 2009 at 9:04 AM

Clinton applauds diversity because race is the tool of the left.

ProfessorMiao on June 15, 2009 at 9:03 AM

He rode the minority poor all the way to the WH. He dances with the one who brung him.

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 9:05 AM

Friendly21 on June 15, 2009 at 9:04 AM

All true. But at least the Iranians have the possibility of using Persian nationalism (pre-Islamic) to utilize for traditions. They can see something prior to Islam. Also, they have disdain for the Arab, not to mention the Sunni. In sum, they have to travel a separate road, as do the Turks, for similar reasons. I suppose they have a chance at reaching the rocky equilibrium of Turkey.

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 9:08 AM

No time to read all the comments. Others may have said this. But with the people of Iran refusing — THIS TIME — to accept the results of a rigged election, it’s — well, it’s almost as though seeds of democracy were sown somewhere close to them, and suddenly the people realize they should be able to control their own country.

Just can’t figure out how that happened. It couldn’t have come from democracy next door in Iraq, because the smartest people in the world all told us it doesn’t work that way.

Right?

RegularJoe on June 15, 2009 at 8:45 AM

ya know that’s funny cuz I was just watching a glimpse of CNN and they said that all of this was because of Obama. Imagine that. He suggests it, BOOM! they do it. How amazing is that, huh?
It’s like *stoner’s empty glance* alllllllllll good things in this world are because of The One, man….

I totally agree with you btw.

B Man on June 15, 2009 at 9:15 AM

It would be kind of interesting if we all went out and visibly protested in support of Iran’s students, so that when the Golden Calf betrays them, he will be seen as the bad guy, not America.

atheling on June 14, 2009 at 9:42 PM

“Golden Calf” – a perfect name on many levels. Do you mind if I use it from time to time?

I have always been uncomfortable hearing Obama called the Messiah or the One. I understand that it is meant in a mocking way, but because those titles belong to Christ Himself, they should be reserved only for Him.

Also, I have a feeling that Obama is secretly pleased at these monikers. I think that he feels that if the best Alinsky ridicule the conservatives have to offer is to compare him to God, well then, go for it, because “many a truth is said in jest.”

tigerlily on June 15, 2009 at 9:24 AM

The sort of freedom we in the west think of as a human birth right is simply incompatable with the underlying philosophy of Islam.

WRONG. It’s incompatible with most current regimes in the middle east, sure. Take a look out East, where most muslims live. Shari’a does not hold sway in Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Indonesia…

Attaturk had it right. But to most here, he is just some obscure Turkish politician. The only way muslim countries can have something like our freedoms (but never the same) is to forcefully seperate the State from the religion (sic), and then ruthlessly enforce that proposition.

While I agree that in large degree Attaturk took great steps to seperate religion and state, I do not agree with your premises that people who are muslims cannot live in free socities. Just ask most native born American muslims, save the secnod generation Somalis…..

flashoverride on June 15, 2009 at 9:30 AM

I suppose they have a chance at reaching the rocky equilibrium of Turkey.
JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 9:08 AM

The rocky equilibrium of Turkey is fast collapsing into a fundamentalist Islamic state. Fewer and fewer Turks see Attaturk’s ideal muslim state as viable. Many of the alliances with Isreal are no more.

Friendly21 on June 15, 2009 at 9:32 AM

JiangxiDa

Now from FOX:

Iran Supreme Leader Orders Vote Fraud Probe

Watch Obama give this full credence. Then go back and read Democrats’ reactions to Kathleen Harris in Florida 2000.

Anil Petra on June 15, 2009 at 9:36 AM

The One to walk away from nuke negotiations

Anyone believing Ahmanutjob will actually negotiate on his nuclear weapons is completely clueless.

dogsoldier on June 15, 2009 at 9:36 AM

No time to read all the comments. Others may have said this. But with the people of Iran refusing — THIS TIME — to accept the results of a rigged election, it’s — well, it’s almost as though seeds of democracy were sown somewhere close to them, and suddenly the people realize they should be able to control their own country.

Just can’t figure out how that happened. It couldn’t have come from democracy next door in Iraq, because the smartest people in the world all told us it doesn’t work that way.

Right?

RegularJoe on June 15, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Valid point. Having a free country next door does bring with it a new set of problems for the Upper Echelons of Iran.

You wondered why they tried to strangle it in it’s crib?

Chaz706 on June 15, 2009 at 9:44 AM

The rocky equilibrium of Turkey is fast collapsing into a fundamentalist Islamic state. Fewer and fewer Turks see Attaturk’s ideal muslim state as viable. Many of the alliances with Isreal are no more.

Friendly21 on June 15, 2009 at 9:32 AM

I fundamentally agree with you, but “modern” Turkey has gotten by for nearly 100 years, and done rather well economically. I’m only suggesting that while Iran may never have a glorious future ahead of it because of Islam, it may also be far from its death bed.

JiangxiDad on June 15, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Hoodwinked and bamboozled Iranian students been listening to too much Obama jive talk.

tarpon on June 15, 2009 at 10:04 AM

If Iranian students are depending on Obama, they’re doomed.

MaiDee on June 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Iranian students feel doomed? Well now they know how WE feel with Obama at the helm.

Jeff from WI on June 15, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Iranian students feel doomed? Well now they know how WE feel with Obama at the helm.

AMEN !!!!

BHO will ignore the situation and hope it goes away.

rlongstrat on June 15, 2009 at 10:14 AM

BTW, anyone know the Farsi word for ‘ACORN’?

RegularJoe on June 15, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Shameful and despicable if Obama accepts the election.

Mulligan on June 15, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Anyone believing Ahmanutjob will actually negotiate on his nuclear weapons is completely clueless.

dogsoldier on June 15, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Am I crazy, or wasn’t Ahmadinijad quoted about 3 weeks ago saying that any talks regarding Iran’s nuclear program would NEVER happen. Maybe a fellow HotAirian could find that.

Once again the media is just playing along with Obama’s manipulation of an ignorant public when Obama and they keep putting it out there that Iran’s nuclear program will be on the table.

Another day, another lie. No, wait – another hour, another lie.

tigerlily on June 15, 2009 at 10:36 AM

So let me get this straight…we are calling Mousavi a “reformer”? Based on what? His Halocaust denials? His belief that Isreal is a “cancer” and should not exist? His terrorist ties? His involvement in the murder of his opponents? His call for the death of Salmon Rushdie? His anti-western sentiments? Honestly, the only difference between this nutjob and the one in office now is a Members Only jacket.

Redneck Woman on June 15, 2009 at 10:46 AM

How can Barry help? I thought he didn’t want to “hoist” democracy on other nations

Fed45 on June 15, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Trip to Cairo…plan put in place…this is theater.

hussein will save the day…..mousavi will be same guy, but is great orator….has cool teleprompter….2012……VICTORY…..AMERICA LOST FOREVER

nondhimmie on June 15, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Redneck Woman on June 15, 2009 at 10:46 AM

Oh he’s a reformer alright – unlike the current regime, Mr. M would not nuke Israel, rather he’d prefer to take them out using convention means. And yes he does still have his Members Only jacket – ie the whole election was a set up and a fraud – more of the undergroud opposition has been exposed and marked- the whole point of the “election”.

Beyond that, State run western media can only see the light which passes through the filter of their talking points. Any one who holds the potential to make the Messiah look more god-like is a moderate.

Friendly21 on June 15, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Well then, they’re doomed. Ever the politician, Obama will try to take both sides of this issue. He’ll say something about the elections being “deeply troubling” and then say that we have no choice but to work with the team who is currently in power.

And then, if he’s feeling at all inspired, he’ll blame the problem on Bush.

hawksruleva on June 15, 2009 at 11:08 AM

We need to shun the Iranian government once and for all… I said to myself the other day that if A-Jihad wins this, it’s clear the Mullahs want to carry out the destruction of Israel…

I still hold to that belief.

The lack of US response is insane… As a government policy, we have no balls under Obama.

janss36 on June 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM

The press began paving the way for Obama to accept the results. NPR referred to Ahmedinejad’s landslide victory and WP is already saying that the Iranian people overwhelming favored the current president of Iran.

There is no media will to stand up to the Mullahs

Game over stateside

clnurnberg on June 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM

janss36 on June 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Iran plans on destroying Israel no matter who the mullah’s let win the “vote”.

I hope the Israelis survive, but there will be no US official support and no one else will help.

And I wish everyone will stop with this “God will not let Israel die” stuff. 6 million died in the Holocaust and there were no lightning bolts from heaven.

clnurnberg on June 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Kennedy had his Bay of Pigs. Duh Won will have his Teheran.

Democrat is as democrat does.

platypus on June 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM

‘Present’.

Worst President Evah!

HornetSting on June 15, 2009 at 11:36 AM

The only way to regime change in Iran, is if the army revolts. So far with this student uprising, the army seems to be sitting on it’s hands. Maybe if we had a real president who sent the message to the Iranian army that they would have the full support of America, they would move.

But we don’t, so the students are indeed doomed.

Rebar on June 15, 2009 at 11:37 AM

In the past decade, there have been only two leaders willing to spend signficant political capital to do the right thing in the Middle East: Bush and Blair. Both men come from different parties, and yet, each man was willing to do what it took to make real change.

In the next few weeks, we are going to find out what kind of leader Obama really is. Will he have the courage to risk significant political capital to do the right thing in Iran? I hope so.

RedSoxNation on June 15, 2009 at 11:56 AM

In the next few weeks, we are going to find out what kind of leader Obama really is.

RedSoxNation on June 15, 2009 at 11:56 AM

I think you’re being too optimistic….even bordering on willing ignorance.

We already know what kind of leader Ochimpy is because through his stupidity he has us in a totally defensive position with this countries enemies. They are dictating the tempo and conditions of our foreign policy.

csdeven on June 15, 2009 at 12:10 PM

I wish everyone will stop with this “God will not let Israel die” stuff. 6 million died in the Holocaust and there were no lightning bolts from heaven.

clnurnberg on June 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Thanks for saying that. I’ve often wanted to but…

ProfessorMiao on June 15, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Funny how when Americans claim Barrack Hussein’s policies promote our enemies actions against our security and international peace that we’re racists. When people being subjugated by these corrupt regimes complain, it’s acceptable? Once again we learn that racism is only an American thing.

Just imagine what would be going on now in Iraq with the Head Community Organizer in charge. If the US hadn’t rallied the allies to take down the Saddam regime one more of the Axis of Evil would be threatening world war.

Hening on June 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Did Carter blame the Israelis yet?

Wonder what election boy Carter says about this election?

The images are difficult to watch

Will this be a Tiananmen Square, where we look away to keep up the manufacturing contracts

or will this be a Poland, where we look away until the next torpedo hits us

in any case, I figure ‘we’, meaning Obama, will not demand an end to the evil empire

Deep in my heart, I believe if Hillary was President, things would be somewhat different at this point and time

entagor on June 15, 2009 at 1:49 PM

I wish everyone will stop with this “God will not let Israel die” stuff. 6 million died in the Holocaust and there were no lightning bolts from heaven.

clnurnberg on June 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Thanks for saying that. I’ve often wanted to but…

ProfessorMiao on June 15, 2009 at 1:22 PM

With all due respect for your right to your opinion, allow me to rebut.

For better than 2500 years (2700 including the Northern Kingdom), the Jews have suffered unspeakable oppression. Yet they remained as a people, even in diaspora. They retained their religious and cultural heritage. And, as you suggest, 64 years ago ended what was probably as great an oppression as any people have ever suffered (you say 6 million dead — I’ve heard as high as 8 million).

Then two years later the remnant — God has always left a remnant — returned to establish a nation in the land that was promised to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Moses. They have not only survived three wars, in which they were attacked by vastly larger nations from all sides, but have thrived. And you see no hand of G-d in that?

We live in a fallen world, and G-d will undoubtedly allow Israelis to die. But he has not allowed his chosen people, Israel — the nation, the people corporately — to die. For those who know the history of the Jewish people, especially for those of us who believe in G-d, ESPECIALLY to Christians who believe in the Revelation of John, there is reason to believe that Israel — at least as a people, most likely as a nation — will survive.

G-d said he would bless those who bless Israel, and curse those who curse her. We may be about to change categories. G-d help us.

RegularJoe on June 15, 2009 at 1:57 PM

If they are waiting for Obama, the liberals, and of course
Jerimiah wright to come to their rescue..

I can tell you this..

Forget about it..

The only time liberals show up is when they see a change to
Seize more power
Betray the citizens of the USA
Give our technology to some despotic regime..

Im sorry but your on your own..
and their is nothing the regular citizens of the USA can do..

For this Administration doesnt work for the
Citizens of the USA…
NO

This administration works for the Islamic Mullah and terrorists..

http://www.veteranoutrage.com\public_blog

veteranoutrage on June 15, 2009 at 4:12 PM

The people that did this to their own are the people Obama trusts with a nuke.

http://twitpic.com/7hlsf

Obama is a menace to our security.

elduende on June 15, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Obama speaks on the subject acording to huffpo at 5 eastern

kangjie on June 15, 2009 at 4:52 PM

This could ne ver happen in our country because we have the second ammendment. Oh, wait. The dems want to do away wit that. Well, we still have hope, and change.

MikeA on June 15, 2009 at 5:03 PM

From the editors at National Review:

The supreme leader and his president have little choice except to pretend to strength. President Obama should call them on it, lending the opposition his rhetorical support. So far, he has given the impression that he wants the dictatorship to stabilize itself so he can get back to the work of appeasing it.

pseudonominus on June 15, 2009 at 5:26 PM

It is so sad for Iran to have your future in the hands of an eunuch puppet. So very sad. The U S is the last hope for world freedom and Barry Soetero is working for the other side.

volsense on June 15, 2009 at 5:29 PM

I guess you could say he threw them under the camel. Wonder what the Holy Koran says about that Bambi

bluegrass on June 16, 2009 at 8:33 AM

The Iranians were screwed the day O’Chimpy was voted in here.

LtE126 on June 16, 2009 at 9:07 AM

If you watch one of the other YouTube videos displayed after this video’s end labeled “Iranian policemen beaten by rioters, rescued by bystanders” I think you’ll be shock, at least a little. I’ve been in the Army for 8 years and I had to cry when I saw it.

It wasn’t the violence that invoked a emotional response, but the situation that Iranians are currently in. I would surely support the downfall of the Iranian regime and the rise of a true republic in it’s place. However, it’s hard to watch countrymen fighting amongst themselves.

While in Iran the police must be fought. I think in every situation possible the rioters/revolutionaries have to take any opposition prisoner. Being a soldier I completely understand this principle. That police officer made his decision to work for the oppressive regime, but however, you can never know his true intentions. He might in reality side with the protesters but his positions demands his response. That’s why I thought it was important that be it people who sided with the current government or just rioters who couldn’t stand by a man being beaten to death pulled him aside and rescued him; immediately taking care of his injuries.

It hurts more to think of how this current situation relates to that of American history. Be it the American Revolution and the American Civil War. During both those periods it was found that family, countrymen found themselves on the opposite side of a barrel.

In conclusion; I hope American Special Forces and CIA operatives are SECRETLY supporting the downfall of the current Iranian government. I think any outright support for the revolution would be a mistake.

Army Special Forces Motto: De Oppresso Liber (“To Liberate the Oppressed”)

If we aren’t currently there pushing things over the edge, I would be ashamed.

LordJack on June 16, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Elections are doomed in the U.S. if Obama and ACORN conduct the census.

nelsonknows on June 17, 2009 at 2:33 AM

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