At the brink: Ahmadinejad refuses to guarantee Mousavi’s safety
posted at 1:45 pm on June 14, 2009 by Allahpundit
In which Christiane Amanpour singlehandedly earns back some of the credibility lost in CNN’s news vacuum last night. There’s a print article about this at CNN.com too but the clip really must be seen to be believed. I can’t tell if it’s just a poor translation or a particularly eccentric example of Ahmadine-speak, but he’s so disjointed as to be almost incoherent. In fact, between this and his surreal dismissal of the growing street protests as “not important,” I wonder if the strain’s made him go goofy. Steve Clemons’s Iranian source predicted that Dinnerjacket would try to have Mousavi and Rafsanjani killed, but it’s one thing to eliminate your opponents and another thing to taunt millions of their outraged supporters by hinting about it on TV. Is this nut trying to provoke a civil war or has he finally gone completely around the bend?
I’m doing my best to stay on top of the Iran story in Headlines — the very latest is Mousavi formally calling for the election results to be voided — but honestly, it’s moving too fast even for that format. Your best bet is Twitter; see, e.g., this report of Arabic-speaking Iranian security forces now on patrol, the first of its kind that I’ve spotted anywhere. If you don’t want to sign up and follow the dispatches from Iranians in the streets, that’s okay: Just go here and keep refreshing or, if you’d rather have updates streamed to you, go to Twitterfall and check the box for #iranelection in the left-hand sidebar. (If it isn’t there when you read this, type #iranelection in the custom field and check the box there.) If you’re already on Twitter and looking for Iranians to follow, I recommend Change_for_Iran, StopAhmadi, iran09, TehranBureau, alirezasha, and jimsciuttoABC. There are others, of course; if you know of any good ones, share in the comments.
Before you watch, ponder a good question asked by a commenter in Headlines: Why is Khamenei so invested in an Ahmadinejad victory, especially if, as we’re forever being told, he holds the ultimate power to set policy in Iran? Mousavi’s no secularist or squish; he’s basically Ahmadinejad lite, duly vetted and approved by Iran’s Guardian Council as Islamic enough to lead the country. The New Yorker theorizes that Khamenei got nervous about how much youth support Mousavi was getting and decided to torpedo him lest he bring some fundie version of Hopenchange to the presidency. But why would Khamenei worry about that when the regime did such an effective job of containing Khatami’s reformist agenda 10 years ago? The safe play would have been to appease the kids by crowning Mousavi the winner, enacting a few token reforms, and then muddling along with the nuke kabuki until they have the bomb. Instead, he validated an electoral sham so brazen that it has the country inching towards revolution. Why? Occam’s Razor suggests that this is a true coup, with Ahmadinejad rigging the results himself and then somehow forcing Khamenei to bless them. But how could he manage that? What’s really going on here?
Exit question: How soon before Hezbollah and Hamas are ordered to attack Israel to distract the Iranian masses?










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Meanwhile, Obama is taking notes.
OldEnglish on June 14, 2009 at 7:36 PM
“Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 7:34 PM”
u mean from the “splash the pix of the ‘wedding party’ onto the web” standpoint?!
Buckaroo on June 14, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Yeah, doesn’t this put him in a bind? He wants to support these students… It would be so Haight Ashbury!!! But then, it does destabilise a tyrant… uh oh… Plus if the question is asked, how would Obama or his supporters respond? If he in fact decides to side with the tyrant over the students (that possibly want a tyrant), then won’t this upset some of his base… If he sides with the students, tyranny is de-legitimised… Oh, the dilemma.
Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 7:38 PM
I dont presume to know what Israel would or would not do, I am simply keeping an update of a conversation taking place on twitter where one of the individuals is reporting first hand knowledge of Israeli Air-force Actions. Take it for what it’s worth, according to this individual a $hitload (60 plus???) of IAF jet’s took off a little over an hour ago.
doriangrey on June 14, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Really its as if the left really expected Imadictator to have fair and free elections ?
William Amos on June 14, 2009 at 7:39 PM
I thought Mousavi was also embracing Hopey Changey… As far as your last point about the “ordinary” Iranians… well, I don’t know whom they are or what they want. I’m thinking that they may want a more western friendly theocracy that is armed with nukes.
Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 7:42 PM
I guess.
I mean, Israel has won it’s wars the most successfully when there was very little media coverage…
Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Sounds like great Sunday lesson for the benefit of the mullahs and AQ. I don’t think it was, somehow. Not that those brutes would be receptive of that canned stuff anyway.
ConScribe on June 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Yep, watching…
If it takes about two hours to get there, we should know before long, right?
If the first launch was actually the radar people as reported, it doesn’t sound like a defensive measure to me.
Unless it’s a hoax, and if the take-off stats are in the ball park, something’s up.
petefrt on June 14, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Hey folks this guy/gal has compiled a list of folks currently twittering from inside Iran. They seem to be on the level although a couple of them have been blocked some are in Farsi and there may be a couple in their used for disinformation.
http://renjie.posterous.com/twitterers-posting-from-inside-iran-via-reddi
http://twitter.com/Robot117
elduende on June 14, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Har har! Love it!
petefrt on June 14, 2009 at 7:48 PM
The first part, about the secular democracy, was a fantasy. The second part, about working with an Iran that appeared at least outwardly to be reforming, is what I think would make the Kow-Tow Doctrine easiest to pursue.
Not sure what Upstater85 was referring to. He’ll have to answer for himself as I have a basketball game to watch.
CK MacLeod on June 14, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Ghandi had the bravery to face down the British. Lets see some left do that to the Iranians ?
Democracies wont pull the trigger against protestors (almost all the time but not exclusively) while dictatorships dont hesistate.
William Amos on June 14, 2009 at 7:49 PM
I’m sure Obama’s mother told him how great it was and how many guys… eh never mind.
Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 7:50 PM
I think Achmadinejad was taking notes from the idiot messiah. Achmadinejad’s answer to the reporter about whether he had interviewed 40 million people sounded suspiciously similar to The Precedent’s own moronic refrain of “I was only 8 years old at the time”.
progressoverpeace on June 14, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Gitmo fun in the sun
William Amos on June 14, 2009 at 7:52 PM
Could also be a massive IAF headfake. Psychological warfare exercise. IAF Squadron 69 “The Hammers” would probably not be seen launching.
elduende on June 14, 2009 at 7:52 PM
Earlier I heard Brit Hume say the uprising seemed to have peaked. Now I hear FNC coming up to speed on it. Tomorrow will tell.
petefrt on June 14, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Sorry, didn’t see that last part…
My point is that Obama and people that share his world view believe the West has something to learn from the Iranian “model” and other similar countries. These are the same people that think Obama should read Open Veins… To actually have to help out Iran would admit that the Western model is superior. Remember… Gorbachev brought Peace… ;-)
Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 7:54 PM
I actually fear this nut’s support of worldwide terrorism more than a nuclear bomb. If he bombed someone, the world would see and act with moral clarity, I believe. The under the radar support of Hezbollah, et al., around the world is killing the will of the West with its steady drip, drip.
PattyJ on June 14, 2009 at 7:55 PM
So it begins
William Amos on June 14, 2009 at 7:55 PM
I was referring to articles like this from 2007:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0119/p09s02-coop.html
AUINSC on June 14, 2009 at 7:55 PM
http://twitter.com/IranElection09
elduende on June 14, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Sounds like
Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Absolutely! These “ordinary Iranians” (AKA “the kids”) have got to show their hand vis-a-vis support for the mullahs. Otherwise, what is it that they think they’re fight for, really? Is this all simply a case of subservient masses blowing off some steam? I sure hope not.
ConScribe on June 14, 2009 at 7:58 PM
I think our media is hindered by their own ignorance of these type events and their historical illiteracy. They are also constrained by the Iranian regime’s clampdown on communications and finally they have no clue how to report something that has negative implications for Obama. Thank god for the Internet.
elduende on June 14, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Well I just saw a video of the Psycho’s “Victory” rally. There had to be thousands and thousands of people there for the huge propaganda job. The Ayatollah Khomeini endorsed the results again with more propaganda and the police are really cracking down. I think this will fizzle out by Tuesday our time, unfortunately.
Magnus on June 14, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Yeah, I’ve seen similar articles. They may be true, but then again, remember that even many not-so-religious Iranians think Iran deserves the bomb and they don’t have a high opinion of America.
So what can be taken from this? Dunno.
Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Smart power
William Amos on June 14, 2009 at 8:00 PM
What a shame! Unbelievable!!
These savages get away with murder and didn’t even have to lift a finger!!!
ConScribe on June 14, 2009 at 8:02 PM
Exactly… Last night, some of us were talking about the French Revolution. Thank goodness the US didn’t get involved in that mess. It went from bad to worse – mostly because the revolutionaries really didn’t want what America had.
Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 8:02 PM
It’s almost as if Leon Panetta would like to see dissent and Free Speech outlawed.
All hail Obama!
MB4 on June 14, 2009 at 8:10 PM
Hehe
-It’s almost as if Panetta thinks Iran wants to blow Israel off the face of the earth…
-It’s almost as if Panetta thinks Pelosi lied…
Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Panetta is a slug. He always has been.
progressoverpeace on June 14, 2009 at 8:13 PM
That sounds very desperate…they are afraid. They are losing on the facts and their only hope is to continue to smear the past administration. It is ominous that the CIA directory is saying this. One might almost think he is excusing the failure before it happens…by blaming his opponent a-priori.
AUINSC on June 14, 2009 at 8:13 PM
And I would add, if Panetta really cared about national security, he never would have allowed himself to be put in as CIA director, as he has no idea what he’s doing.
progressoverpeace on June 14, 2009 at 8:15 PM
Or he knows an attack is eminent and is pointing fingers already.
Scary.
William Amos on June 14, 2009 at 8:15 PM
Well, yes. That’s what’s scary.
AUINSC on June 14, 2009 at 8:17 PM
Tonight on this thread was the first time I ever used Twitter. Before tonight I poo-pooed the usefulness of it. But now I see Twitter, or a derivative, as the future for researching breaking news, and a commanding source of current facts for more interpretative, analytical media (including blogs and TV). History moves now not in years or days, but in nanoseconds.
Goes without saying, it’s also the future of hoaxes and other manipulative abuses.
petefrt on June 14, 2009 at 8:17 PM
Khomeini and Khamenei.
I see these names float around seemingly interchangeably. Now, which one was it that croaked in the eighties and which has been in charge since? Or, do I have this wrong and both are alive and kicking? Are they even one and the same guy (using nickname may be)?
ConScribe on June 14, 2009 at 8:20 PM
Yep…
ConScribe on June 14, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Isn’t it obvious? These weasels are nervous about something ever since Tuesday 2 weeks ago. If they thought their policies were working they would have no need to start pointing fingers.
I do know that if there is an attack the Obama presidency is in deep kimchee and they know it, trying to point fingers will also backfire enormously. The political war that will erupt will derail them permanently.
elduende on June 14, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Kho Croaked…
Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 8:25 PM
Yeah I also dismissed the twitter and facebook stuff but it certainly does come in handy in these situations.
elduende on June 14, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Ah… I don’t need more distractions… I’m so tempted, and you tempted me further.
I’m going to have to think about this one.
Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Well, thanks everyone, enjoyed this thread. Time now to go to the deck with a jug of cheap red wine and enjoy the sunset.
petefrt on June 14, 2009 at 8:27 PM
You enjoy that.
I am 1 hour past my stop HotAiring deadline… So I am going to get going too.
later
Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 8:28 PM
When you say manipulative, the MSM comes to mind…
It’s why we need to have a proper historical frame of reference so that we can point out the inaccuracies of reporting (or commentating), whether it be MSM, cable, radio, twitter or blogs. People have been making stuff up for centuries, but social media platforms enable us to participate with those not letting them get away with it.
You could say Obama and his teleprompter are the present (and future) of manipulation…
ajj on June 14, 2009 at 8:29 PM
have fun.
elduende on June 14, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Take it easy, folks.
ConScribe on June 14, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Heh, I know, “what are you doing” is a stupid subject. But for reporting stuff like this, it’s singular.
petefrt on June 14, 2009 at 8:30 PM
I don’t know. I read some of Allah’s tweets and came to the conclusion that twitter causes brain damage.
progressoverpeace on June 14, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Friend who is alumni of Hudson High just emailed me that USAF in Iraq is in standdown for the next 12 hours for ” maintenance alert” scheduled by the USAF Centcom.
bill30097 on June 14, 2009 at 9:15 PM
I,for one Sir, would be surprised if he hadn’t?
Geezer on June 14, 2009 at 9:22 PM
Hmmm, kind of puts this in a different light eh?
# Ramat David remains on high alert but comm channels now open. Planes will be in the air in some capacity 24/7. #iranelection #Mousavi 17 minutes ago from web
doriangrey on June 14, 2009 at 9:27 PM
Seems more likely that they don’t want to provoke Iran in the current confusion. I can’t see Obama cooperating with Bibi.
gh on June 14, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Thanks for that, it’s nice to know you have a sense of humor and consider our perception of your comments just an exercise for both you and if “we’re quick enough” as readers…to stimulate both, for your amusement?
So I’m to perceive you consider diplomatic discourse, “Kow-Tow Doctrine”?
Is that a Chinese term
Gosh, isn’t that a prime example of how we’ve actually approached diplomacy with Iran for the last eight years without a positive results?
I find that looms large; as “dumb as a stump” or as “large as a box of rocks” in the government diplomacy trade book of your choosing for the last eight years!
With respect to your family, Sir…!
I’d never miss a basketball, baseball, football or soccer game…If I could help it…?
Make the very best of it!
Old Soldier sends…
Geezer on June 14, 2009 at 9:38 PM
Sounds like Zimbabwe…the same thug is still in charge there, too.
Can’t help but to think about these protesters…is it merely a fight between those who want to kill all of us vs. those who just want to kill most of us?
Dr. ZhivBlago on June 14, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Not to be so glum, Zhiv…there’s more than 43 percent of the young, vibrant, women and men, in Iran who desire discourse and would welcome trade and travel with the rest of us and the world.
We should all have religion…
Religion should not make us enemies of those that don’t believe as we do…!
I am a free citizen of the world!
I,Thank you!
Zhiv…!
Geezer on June 14, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Obama and Amen-jihad = evil twins of the 21st century.
Dhuka on June 14, 2009 at 10:16 PM
http://www.mideastanalysis.com/1/post/2009/06/what-happened-in-iran.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/06/iran_i_a_coup_or_a_purge.html
elduende on June 14, 2009 at 10:29 PM
I’m suprised that people thought different about the election In Iran…Equate Ahmadinejad to Mousavi as Obama is to McCain… NO CLEAR CHOICE in Iran= NO CLEAR CHOICE in America.
Mousavi was part of the early Islamic Revolution which killed many dissidents. Absolutely no way clearly any difference between A-jad and Mousavi.
Obama and McCain were really no different..One is a pragmatic statist and the other is a qasi-statist (moderate) repubican….Any Questions?!?
Navyjava5 on June 14, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Whoa? You mean, in the middle of all this, Imanutjob’s getting impeached for a Lewinsky Lickin’ too? Dang, that blows!
orville on June 14, 2009 at 10:48 PM
“Maybe Ahmadinejad has the Revolutionary Guard on his side. Not even Khamenei can ignore them. This might be a military coup. I can not imagine why else they would keep Ahmadinejad around. He has not done them any favors in the past.”
It seems that someone does not know the history of Dinnerjacket. He was a member of the Revolutionary Guard. He was a part of the storming of the USA embassy in Tehran before the fall of the Shah. He was involved in holding Americans as hostages. So, yes he has the Revolutionary Guard in his pocket because he is one of them.
maggieo on June 14, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Pay attention to what is happeneing in Iran now. Pick up ideas to use here later. You know Our Dear Leader Obama is.
bill30097 on June 14, 2009 at 10:53 PM
What’s happening in Iran should be no business of ours. The only way we can have peace in the Middle East is to not get involved in their affairs. That, and all foreign aid to Egypt and Israel needs to end.
This imperialistic interventionist crap is getting old. What happened to country first?
True_King on June 14, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Ditto Palestine and Darfur, and while we’re at it, let’s take our 25% share of funding the UN and go home.
orville on June 14, 2009 at 10:58 PM
elduende on June 14, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Why isn’t the MSN following this…?
Yah woundn’t kid a kidder…?
Would yah…?
Geezer on June 14, 2009 at 11:08 PM
I’d go with that if it meant that the real adults could take things back to where they should have always stayed.
OldEnglish on June 14, 2009 at 11:09 PM
A mythological Mayan creature… “The Genie”!
1] First question…What significance do you Sir, as an ancient ancestor; place on the Mayan calendar’s end in 2012…?
2] Second question… Why were you recruited as a child of the ancient Gods…?
3] Third question… Are you truly an ancient messenger or are you just one of the “best kidders” amongst a whole ethnic pile of rambunctious bunch of ancient Mayan “kidders”…?
HUH…?
Geezer on June 14, 2009 at 11:16 PM
What goes on in Iran is none of our business?
What kinda Paulbotcoward talk is that? We have folks who believe the road to heaven is paved with your murder victims. Not any of our business? Remember that when one of those mullahs melts your kid.
Limerick on June 14, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Listening to Ahmadinejad’s “answer” made me think of this:
The Monster on June 14, 2009 at 11:35 PM
The joke’s on all of us Geezer. The joke is smoking camels and trying to avoid embarrassing questions.
Last we saw our dear leader in public was Friday afternoon in the Rose Garden ceremony where he was also taking credit for the election of Moussavi. LOL Jokes on us.
elduende on June 14, 2009 at 11:36 PM
ackmmmmadidajob<sp? called obambi and thanked him for for loaning iran the chicago branch of ACORN…….
AMERICAN VETERAN on June 14, 2009 at 11:38 PM
AMERICAN VETERAN on June 14, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Hey Barry!
Peel a couple of billion (just .7%) off that stimulus and print up ‘Common Sense’ to carpet bomb Tehran and Qum with.
If you are gonna use my money then use it for something that moves the ball forward.
Limerick on June 14, 2009 at 11:39 PM
U_say!
Geezer on June 14, 2009 at 11:42 PM
LOL!
elduende on June 14, 2009 at 11:53 PM
And where the hell are Clinton and Rice? Working on pressing problems in South Africa or Finland? This self administered handcuffing by Barry and the Crew is going to come back to haunt us far more then supporting the Shah ever did. You liberalairheadhugatreeunionizedsexaddicts are making the dinosaurs look smart. Damn all of you who can’t get up the courage to draw a frakkin line in the sand.
Limerick on June 14, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Somebody like Michael Ledeen needs to tell us how to help. Call the White House?
Write to our representatives?
Send money?
What?
No more Tianamen!!
PattyJ on June 15, 2009 at 12:02 AM
WTF???, obambi spent mine, yours, your kids and grandkids money
AMERICAN VETERAN on June 15, 2009 at 12:12 AM
elduende on June 14, 2009 at 11:53 PM
i call’m when i see’m :)
AMERICAN VETERAN on June 15, 2009 at 12:13 AM
Gentlemen,
I’m think’n there’s a “bank shot “ on the table…
Wait…
Till it hits or misses then we’ll be privy…
Geezer on June 15, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Losers. All of them.
Losers who will take you with them. Kim sets off a miniature sun, Hugo seizes American companies, Putin rapes Georgia, Dinnerjacket proclaims his right to build ovens in the Holy Land. What does our glorious government do?
Nothing.
It took Rice three WEEKS to get the U.N. to wag their finger at Kim. Barry, he goes on the Chavez book club tour.
Clinton sits in her office and worries about her kankles while directing Mitchell to hold Assad’s balls gently.
Biden was dead wrong. There isn’t going to be a test. The report card is already in the mail.
Limerick on June 15, 2009 at 12:22 AM
this has to be the most Iconic picture of the Iranian crisis to date.
http://twitpic.com/7c85l
elduende on June 15, 2009 at 12:26 AM
You work for us …elduende on June 15, 2009 at 12:26 AM
You dah babe…,!
Old soldier sends…!
Geezer on June 15, 2009 at 12:32 AM
Mousavi and Rafsanjani assasination reports to follow.
Men like the Mullahs and Dinnerjacket who know there will be no consequences to their actions will do anything they want precisely because they know there will be no consequences.
Only Hope! for Iranians now is that enough mobs can overwhelm enough soldiers and get enough guns to secure more weapons, etc…to the point where they can create some Change! of their own, because, sadly, the free world has gone back to turning it’s back on the victims of tyranny.
SuperCool on June 15, 2009 at 12:33 AM
http://niacblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/election-unrest-day-two/
Silence from Obama. Not even one statement. Guess his foreign policy is more important than these students….
elduende on June 15, 2009 at 12:42 AM
Thanks. great pic isn’t it?
elduende on June 15, 2009 at 12:45 AM
In response to a question of what the Iranian people want the U.S. and American people to do, his response was as follows:
http://niacblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/election-unrest-day-two/
This is why Obama can’t recognize the students his arrogance and delusional foreign policy of “engagement” is more important.
elduende on June 15, 2009 at 12:50 AM
All soldiers have suffered the insufferable…!
Shall we experience Hungary …again…?
Will it be “Tianamen Square in Beijing…?
Shall it be Wenceslas Plaza, again…?
Hold your fire…!
Stop shooting…!
Stop…!
STOP!
Geezer on June 15, 2009 at 1:16 AM
http://www.gloria-center.org/blog/2009/06/won%27t-denounce-the-administartion.html
elduende on June 15, 2009 at 1:25 AM
I am an American who is also Iranian…(to clear it up, I don’t like using the term Iranian-American because I was born and raised in the United States and I consider myself to be an American. I care about Iran but I consider the United States to be my country), I would just like to thank you for your continuous posts on the Iranian elections. I don’t think people realize how important this is! I could not find one network covering this for more than 20 seconds. It wasn’t until Twitter users criticized the lack of coverage on CNN, that they decided to have a special 2 hour program on it.
As Hugh Hewitt has rightly noted,
To be honest, I dislike both candidates but people need to realize that it’s not about Mousavi, it’s a reason to be able to get everyone together to protest. The young in Iran are just waiting for something to spark to be able to come together. Because these are protests resulting from an election, there is going to be less repercussion for speaking. In other words, the students, from the regimes position, aren’t necessarily protesting the government. Please do not misunderstand…these people are still being beaten, ran over, harassed, for protesting but the implication would be far worse if they were to go in the streets and protest the regime.
I stand with them and my heart goes out to them. They are so brave!
Belondy on June 15, 2009 at 1:39 AM
I’m sorry the president isn’t helping Iran out more.
I realy am.
This is like having a golden plate land on your lap and throwing it away.
They are brave and they are brave for a reason. They want OUR help.
Damn it.
B Man on June 15, 2009 at 1:58 AM
This is a list compiled of english speaking twitterers around Iran not just in Tehran. Haven’t tried them all. Its getting to be daylight over there and there’s a big protest planned in Tehran.
http://www.simoncolumbus.com/2009/06/15/english-language-twitterers-in-iran/
elduende on June 15, 2009 at 2:10 AM
AMERICAN VETERAN on June 15, 2009 at 2:41 AM
Now that made me laugh…
B Man on June 15, 2009 at 2:43 AM
From the BBC comments thread:
So much for liberalism by osmosis. Nice work UK.
Terry_Dyne on June 15, 2009 at 3:55 AM
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