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Senior U.S. official: Yes, the Iranian election was rigged; Update: 50-100 dead? Update: We’ll still work with Iran, says White House

posted at 3:47 pm on June 13, 2009 by Allahpundit
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The White House is playing it cool lest U.S. support for Mousavi discredit his supporters but U.S. analysts have little doubt. The fix is indeed in:

U.S. analysts find it “not credible” that challenger Mir Hossein Mousavi would have lost the balloting in his hometown or that a third candidate, Mehdi Karoubi, would have received less than 1 percent of the total vote, a senior U.S. officials told FOX News.

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khameini apparently has released a statement calling the results “final” and hailing the election as a legitimization of the regime and its elections…

The dominant view among Obama administration officials is that the regime will look so bad as a result of whipping up Iranian hopes for democracy and then squelching them that the regime may feel compelled to show some conciliatory response to Obama’s gestures of engagement.

Maybe. Or maybe popular unrest will force them to clamp down harder, become more recalcitrant about negotiations, and double down on nationalist propaganda about nukes to get the public back on their side. More from Time on what a shabby fraud this was:

By Saturday morning, the most often repeated exclamation in Tehran was: “It’s not possible!”…

A group of young men said they had talked to their families in the provinces, including Kurdish Kermanshah, Azeri Oroumiyeh and Ardeblil. Mohsen, 23, said, “Everyone in Tabriz [Mousavi's hometown] voted for Mousavi. The official count says a majority for Ahmadinejad. That’s not possible.” Mehdi, 27, chimed in, “Even if just Karroubi’s family in Lorestan had voted for him, he would have won more than 300,000 votes.”

More serious allegations came from officials involved in the various reformist candidates’ campaigns. Mohammad-Ali Abtahi, part of opposition figure Mehdi Karroubi’s campaign, pointed out that the government “announced a wholesale figure of 70% for Ahmadinejad last night, as opposed to breaking it down province by province as they usually do.” The first figures were announced shortly after voting closed, he added. A breakdown of how people in each city and province voted has not been released yet.

At the Mousavi headquarters, former Interior Minister Ali Akbar Mohtashamipour protested that Mousavi observers had not gained access to many of the polling centers. He also said that in Tabriz, Mousavi’s birthplace, many of the polling stations had run out of ballots only two hours after opening, even though about 59 million ballots had been printed by the government, about 13 million more than the number of eligible voters.

The regime shut down text messaging across the country yesterday too to hamper organization of the protests they knew would follow the results. Even so, the Beeb says street violence today is the worst Tehran has seen in 10 years, replete with Iranian cops beating women with nightsticks. The clip below will give you a taste but see Michael Totten for more vids, including one of a monster rally where protesters chanted “Death to the government.” There’s also a hot rumor going around that Rafsanjani, the former president of Iran, current head of the powerful Assembly of Experts, and rival-in-chief to Ahmadinejad, has resigned from the Expediency Council in protest of the results, a move which should go a long way towards delegitimizing them. After 30 years, only a diehard optimist would bet on this clusterfark exploding into full-fledged counterrevolution, but the more discredited the regime is and the more alienated Iranians feel from it, the more leverage the west has to get tough with them over the nuclear impasse. Assuming, of course, that the political will to do so exists. Which it doesn’t.

As I write this, news is breaking that Mousavi’s been arrested, which would be the second big mistake the mullahs have made in the last 24 hours. Three questions now as things heat up. One: Why didn’t they rig the vote in a more convincing way? Everyone expected the margin to be close after such a nasty campaign; a close Ahmadinejad win, with Mousavi victorious in the urban areas he was supposed to carry, would have been credible. I guess they figured that a narrow defeat would be treated as even more suspect by Mousavi’s supporters, so they went in the opposite direction and made it a landslide — to an implausible degree, as it turned out. Two: With the regime more illegitimate than ever, where does this leave The One vis-a-vis nuke negotiations? He’s been careful in the past to distinguish Khamenei from the more toxic Ahmadinejad, but Khamenei blessed the results today as a “divine assessment.” His credibility’s shot now, too. If Obama meets with him anyway, it’ll put the U.S. on the side of a sham government against the Iranian people more starkly than ever before. Three: Did Khamenei order the election rigged on Ahmadinejad’s behalf or did Ahmadinejad order the election rigged on his own behalf? That is to say, who really controls the levers of power in Iran? If you read nothing else I’ve linked here, at least read this fascinating interview in the Nation with a former Iranian minister who argues that because Dinnerjacket is closely allied with the fantastically powerful Revolutionary Guard (and a former Guardsman himself) and oversees the ministries that keep Khamenei informed of what’s happening, he can effectively isolate and manipulate him. Maybe — maybe — the situation in Iran is now less a case of Khamenei using Ahmadinejad as a public mouthpiece than vice versa. Good luck, Barry.

Update: At the Standard, Stephen Hayes says it’s time for a new Obama speech challenging the results on behalf of the Iranian people. If he does that, though, then nuke negotiations are well and truly dead; the regime’s not going to chat with a guy who’s basically calling for it to be overthrown, in which case the military option is the only solution left to stopping an Iranian bomb. Think The One’s going to leave himself with that hand?

Update: Another must-read at Foreign Policy’s blog The Cable rounding up reaction from Iranian experts. No one but no one is taking the election numbers seriously, which makes this a full-blown legitimacy crisis for a regime that’s never been very legitimate to begin with. I can’t believe they FUBAR’d the fix this badly.

Update: Tehran Bureau, a site for independent Iranian journalism, claims there are 50 to 100 people dead from Iranian cops’ thuggery at protests today. Plus thus tidbit, proving that this is in fact a coup:

Two interesting points on Iranian election:

1. After election results were announced, the election committee must wait for three days to accept any grievances for any irregularity before certify the results.

2. The results of election needs to be certified by the Council of Experts before it goes to the Leader for final approval

Today neither of these two rules were followed and the Leader in his speech approved the results of the election and asked all parties involved to work with Ahmadinejad.

Follow the link for videos galore. And see this post too for a graph that’s as much of a smoking gun as LGF’s famous Rathergate graphic was.

Update: Steve Hayes had better not hold his breath waiting for that Obama speech. The White House says it’s full speed ahead on “dialogue.”

The Obama administration is determined to press on with efforts to engage the Iranian government, senior officials said Saturday, despite misgivings about irregularities in the re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad…

“This is the worst result,” said Thomas R. Pickering, a former under secretary of state. “The U.S. will have to worry about being perceived as pandering to a president whose legitimacy is in question. It clearly makes the notion of providing incentives quite unappetizing.”

Presumably the thinking here is that public outrage in Iran will weaken the mullahs’ hand against the U.S. and force them to accept some grand bargain, in which case Obama’s basically offering them legitimacy in exchange for denuclearization. The more likely outcome, though, is that the regime will continue to jerk him around while it builds a bomb and then count on its announcement that Iran has become a nuclear state to stoke national pride and win over its disaffected public. In which case Obama will have given them legitimacy in exchange for nothing. Terrific.


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Donald Douglas on June 13, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Great write up. I love that Obama’s administration is “shocked” when they were about to take credit for the election of Mousavi yesterday afternoon. It gives me no end of satisfaction to watch them squirm as Tehran burns.

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Americannodash on June 13, 2009 at 10:44 PM

I just saw that for the first time a couple of weeks ago, it was really good. Poor guy had a lot going on that head of his but it ultimately was a positive outcome.

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Okay, I’m over it now. NEXT!

Americannodash on June 13, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Are you sure you’re over it?

Do you really know the difference between men and women?

As a renowned metrosexual, I would happy to provide you lessons.

Loxodonta on June 13, 2009 at 10:54 PM

But, Mr. Ahmadinejad has the support of those who perhaps matter most, namely, the high command of the IRGC, the Basij militia, and Ayatollah Khamenei who has been his strongest supporter, has praised him repeatedly, and had sent several signals that Mr. Ahmadinejad was his preferred choice. According to a credible rumor, Ayatollah Khamenei had told Mr. Rafsanjani that, “Ahmadinejad’s defeat will be my defeat.”

So, what does the future hold for Iran, and its relationship with the West? Repression of the society that began under Mr. Ahmadinejad will deepen. There will likely be a wide ranging crackdown on the reformist/democratic groups, as well as university students and human rights advocates. We may see nationally broadcast “confessions” of political figures, admitting their “crimes.” The IRGC’s influence in the state’s affairs, which began under Mr. Ahmadinejad, will spread, and its financial empire will expand in order to control all aspects of Iran’s economy.

As for the reformists, they will hopefully learn that just participating in the electoral process is not enough to confront the conservatives who control all levers of power. They need to organize the masses, and form strong non-governmental organizations and political groups, and develop a young leadership that can connect effectively with the people.

In the international arena, the aggressive foreign policy of Mr. Ahmadinejad will continue. The Obama administration will find it more difficult to reach a negotiated solution to its dispute with Iran over its nuclear program, given that all the moderate dissenting voices within Iran are being suppressed.

http://tehranbureau.com/2009/06/13/the-election-in-a-nutshell/

watch what happens later today…(Tehran time 8 hours ahead of us). Oh and Netanyahu has his “speech” today too. LOL! I hope the White House has plenty of Pepto Bismol on hand. LOL!

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Good night, sweet dreams everyone.

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Loxodonta on June 13, 2009 at 10:54 PM
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I give up. Moving on.

Americannodash on June 13, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Good night.

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Good night, sweet dreams everyone.

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Goodnight, milady. And may your aunt have a peaceful night.

Loxodonta on June 13, 2009 at 11:02 PM

The United States has a moral obligation to the Iranian people.

Loxodonta on June 13, 2009 at 9:17 PM

I disagree. I’m for helping them if when and if we can but the responsibility is theirs alone.

FloatingRock on June 13, 2009 at 11:04 PM

Americannodash on June 13, 2009 at 11:00 PM

You’re clever. You’ve posted good comments. Please don’t give up. I won’t bother you again unless you want to exchange serious posts or want to play. Anytime.

Loxodonta on June 13, 2009 at 11:05 PM

before I tell someone their a horse’s patoot.

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Yah, I got triggered for sure…He/she is pro-Israel but a luke warm pro-Israel stance, to me is no stance. My point was that Israel and the US have been joined at the hip since its inception as it should be considering our common values, beliefs, interests and people.
To say that this is Israel’s problem is like telling a husband, a rapist is your wife’s problem.

but I didn’t call him a horse’s patoot…

katy on June 13, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Loxodonta on June 13, 2009 at 11:05 PM
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Deal.

Americannodash on June 13, 2009 at 11:07 PM

It seems this means Obama’s speech was a dismal failure.

That’s assuming that Ahmadinejad really didn’t lose. I.e., the election was stolen.

SteveMG on June 13, 2009 at 7:42 PM

I was being sarcastic. I doubt that Iran has ever had a fair election since the revolution so Obama’s tentative attempt at taking credit however it turned out was ridiculous.

FloatingRock on June 13, 2009 at 11:08 PM

I disagree. I’m for helping them if when and if we can but the responsibility is theirs alone.

FloatingRock on June 13, 2009 at 11:04 PM

We can help them by not appeasing their government.

We have a long history of speaking and acting on behalf of freedom around the world. I’m not saying we should go in and overthrow the Iranian government. And I am fully aware that a democratic Iran would still be quite dangerous, given their contemporary culture. However, we can at least try to contain the government and publicly state that it represents a threat to regional and world peace.

Loxodonta on June 13, 2009 at 11:10 PM

I can only hope and pray for a successful people’s revolution to overthrow that hamfisted puppet tyrant and his handlers. Change from the inside out is a million times better than change forced from the outside in (see Iraq), and even then you have to have someone capable of enforcing same.

And as a sidenote to the Bush-hating tinfoil-hat loons who STILL gripe about the Bush/Gore flap…this is what a stolen election really looks like.

Dark-Star on June 13, 2009 at 11:14 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ2V-GyRYvc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmichellemalkin%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

From Michell’s site. Riot – raw video. The youth are screaming “we want feedom. Mousavi”

katy on June 13, 2009 at 11:29 PM

I feel for them. Another mess Jimmah Carter is responsible for.

coyoterex on June 13, 2009 at 11:32 PM

Loxodonta on June 13, 2009 at 11:10 PM

Then we don’t disagree.

FloatingRock on June 13, 2009 at 11:36 PM

I feel for them. Another mess Jimmah Carter is responsible for.

coyoterex on June 13, 2009 at 11:32 PM

Think of all the messes we’re going to have in the world 20+ years from as a result of Obama’s term in office.

FloatingRock on June 13, 2009 at 11:38 PM

Then we don’t disagree.

FloatingRock on June 13, 2009 at 11:36 PM

I can take another position if you want practice debating!

Loxodonta on June 13, 2009 at 11:38 PM

Magnus says: “Why isn’t Israel taking responsibility for Iran? Why is it on Obama or the US to do this? If Israel did it before the can do it again.”

And I say, you Magnus, are reprehensible. Either admit you agree with Obama (every nation, including Iran, is ENTITLED to nuclear weapons), or try to generate a set of principles you are prepared to live, and yes, die by. Instead, you hypocritically espouse a desire for a free, and especially a non-nuclear Iran – as long as the Israelis do the job by themselves……What a puke!

alwyr on June 13, 2009 at 11:40 PM

I can take another position if you want practice debating!

Loxodonta on June 13, 2009 at 11:38 PM

Nah, I’ve had a my fill the past few days arguing with trolls about the “right-wing” socialist Nazi.

FloatingRock on June 13, 2009 at 11:42 PM

FloatingRock on June 13, 2009 at 11:38 PM

Scares the heck out of me. Not for my own sake, but for my 3 daughters.

coyoterex on June 13, 2009 at 11:45 PM

God Almighty, Iran is one of the last nations without a central bank. Afghanistan and Iraq were two of the others that were free from the bank cartel until we opened it up for them. Whoever wins in Iran, hold fast against the banksters.

Also, why is everyone taking this article serious? US officials, senior admin officials? Who is this? Can this be trusted? There is now a strong push for war with Iran, how can anyone believe these “analysts” anymore?

True_King on June 13, 2009 at 11:57 PM

True_King on June 13, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Dude …

progressoverpeace on June 14, 2009 at 12:00 AM

progressoverpeace on June 14, 2009 at 12:00 AM

Whoever wins in Iran, hold fast against the banksters.

I second that…. DUDE…..DOUBLE DUDE

katy on June 14, 2009 at 12:01 AM

Whoever wins in Iran, hold fast against the banksters.

I second that…. DUDE…..DOUBLE DUDE

katy on June 14, 2009 at 12:01 AM

I think banksters is code for something ;) ;) ;)

Hint… 12 of them come together in a secret room… They’re all named Rothschild, Goldberg, and Feinstein…

Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 12:04 AM

12 of them come together in a secret room

Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 12:04 AM

Sounds like the last supper..

katy on June 14, 2009 at 12:13 AM

True_King on June 13, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Dude …

progressoverpeace on June 14, 2009 at 12:00 AM

I second that…. DUDE…..DOUBLE DUDE

katy on June 14, 2009 at 12:01 AM

I concur… DUDE… TRIPLE DUDE

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Sounds like the last supper..

katy on June 14, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Haha

Now, I have a good response next time I hear someone babbling about those 12 Zionists.

Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 12:15 AM

Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 12:04 AM

I agree. Now, could you do me a favor and explain what DUDE means?

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 12:15 AM

Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 12:04 AM

you forgot Soros and Sandlers.

katy on June 14, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Sounds like the last supper..

katy on June 14, 2009 at 12:13 AM
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The last supper was a bakers dozen.
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The Lord & his 12 …………

Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 12:17 AM

I agree. Now, could you do me a favor and explain what DUDE means?

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 12:15 AM

“DUDE” is another way of expressing shock/astonishment/surprise…

“Dude… you really did buy that expensive car!”

—————————————————

Friend 1: “And then after saying she wasn’t into tall guys she walked over to some guy that was like 6′ ”

Friend 2: “Dude… that’s low.”

Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 12:18 AM

you forgot Soros and Sandlers.

katy on June 14, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Are they Zionists? If not, pftt… look the other way.

Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 12:19 AM

No they’re the dreaded NEW WORLD ORDER peeps.

katy on June 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM

The last supper was a bakers dozen.
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The Lord & his 12 …………

Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 12:17 AM

my bad…. ;(

;)

katy on June 14, 2009 at 12:23 AM

No they’re the dreaded NEW WORLD ORDER peeps.

katy on June 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM

Sounds like Barry would fit right in.

Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 12:26 AM

katy on June 14, 2009 at 12:23 AM
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Not really bad. Just could not let this thread think that Judas had missed another meeting.
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Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 12:28 AM

And for those who might assume that the only conservatives who support Israel or are concerned about anti-Semitism are Jewish Neo-Cons, I am not Jewish, nor have any Jewish ancestry. I am a Reagan Republican and a Catholic. My faith means that I think the Jewish faith is somewhat wrong. However, I respect their religious traditions. And I happen to love much of Jewish culture, and especially its humor. And bagels!

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 12:33 AM

Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 12:18 AM

Thanks, dude!

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 12:34 AM

And for those who might assume that the only conservatives who support Israel or are concerned about anti-Semitism are Jewish Neo-Cons, I am not Jewish, nor have any Jewish ancestry. I am a Reagan Republican and a Catholic. My faith means that I think the Jewish faith is somewhat wrong. However, I respect their religious traditions. And I happen to love much of Jewish culture, and especially its humor. And bagels!

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 12:33 AM
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Are we twins separated at birth with different last names.
Except your Arnold & I am Danny.
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Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM

you’re not your

Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM

Except your Arnold & I am Danny.

Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM

Cultural cluelessness warning. I have no associations to that reference. Explain, please?

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 12:47 AM

Cultural cluelessness warning. I have no associations to that reference. Explain, please?

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 12:47 AM

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096320/

Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 12:49 AM

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 12:47 AM
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The movie made by them “Twins” starring Arnold S. & Danny D.

Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 12:54 AM

Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 12:49 AM

Thanks. I do remember people talking about that film and saying it was funny. Is it worth borrowing from the library? Consider that nearly all of my favorite movies are pre-1960 and most are black-and-white.

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 12:56 AM

Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 12:54 AM

Got it. You just compared me to that RINO governor! How dare you!

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 12:58 AM

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 12:56 AM
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Two words: Kelly Preston

Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 12:59 AM

Obama is taking notes on how to get a landslide in 2012 and how to deal with the uprising afterward.

Can anyone doubt that a man who used ACORN and Black Panther fraud and intimidation will deal with this thugocracy and smile?

clnurnberg on June 14, 2009 at 1:00 AM

Thanks. I do remember people talking about that film and saying it was funny. Is it worth borrowing from the library? Consider that nearly all of my favorite movies are pre-1960 and most are black-and-white.

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 12:56 AM

Eh… it was OK.

Upstater85 on June 14, 2009 at 1:02 AM

alwyr on June 13, 2009 at 11:40 PM

May God bless and keep you all your days

clnurnberg on June 14, 2009 at 1:02 AM

Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 12:59 AM

I am so out of touch with contemporary culture. I believe my most recent movie memory of a beautiful woman is this.

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 1:07 AM

http://twitter.com/Change_for_Iran
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Above is person in Tehran documenting the minute by minute events taking place in “real” time.

Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 1:10 AM

http://twitter.com/Change_for_Iran
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Above is person in Tehran documenting the minute by minute events taking place in “real” time.

Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 1:10 AM

Thanks you so much for that. It’s scary tough.My heart goes out to them.

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 1:21 AM

But I thought Jimmy was there making sure everything went OK.

Wait, guess this is ok for him since anything to hurt Jewish people is A OK with Carter.

Rbastid on June 14, 2009 at 1:31 AM

Not to be a pessimist, but who actually expected these elections to be legitimate? For the love of crumb cake, we have huge voter fraud in America, what do you expect in Iran?

Goldenavatar on June 14, 2009 at 1:42 AM

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 1:21 AM
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I think it is okay to acknowledge these events from a first persons account rather than our present form of spin coming from the A@ss, Press. Skeptic since 1998. “Grain of salt” is the mind set I have now of everything. Minimum three of more sources required to accept the meme presented.
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Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 1:44 AM

I am so out of touch with contemporary culture. I believe my most recent movie memory of a beautiful woman is this.

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 1:07 AM

That’s one of my favorite movies. And that kiss makes my head explode.

Felonious Monk on June 14, 2009 at 1:44 AM

I am so out of touch with contemporary culture. I believe my most recent movie memory of a beautiful woman is this.

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 1:07 AM
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She was a princess indeed. Very good choice.

Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 1:53 AM

“Grain of salt” is the mind set I have now of everything.

Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 1:44 AM

Doubt and having an open mind is a good approach to most everything.

The more I have studied physics, the more I realize I do not know.

To me, the real lesson of my whole life was that the more I know, the more challenged I am to know, and the wider my mind is open to new ideas and new concepts.

– Albert Einstein

Yes. I’m absolutely certain of this. So, don’t even bother trying to change my mind.

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 1:59 AM

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 1:59 AM
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Irony. Lox you are one grounded individual.
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Remember when mass was in latin…. oh how I long for those good old days when you did not know what the hell they were talking about.

Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 2:07 AM

The more I have studied physics, the more I realize I do not know.

– Albert Einstein

That’s for sure. The more you know, the more you realize how much you don’t know.

That’s why I gave up trying a long time ago. I figure I know everything I really need to know and I can just make the rest of it up as I go along.

FloatingRock on June 14, 2009 at 2:15 AM

Remember when mass was in latin…. oh how I long for those good old days when you did not know what the hell they were talking about.

Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 2:07 AM

No. I do not remember.

I am an adult convert who spent over 20 years pondering the world’s religions, seeking the one that most closely conformed to my own personal experience of God. Then came some personal crises, Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul II. And then, I was baptized and confirmed as an adult into the Catholic Church. I still have doubts about and even a few disagreements with my Catholic faith. But I have no doubt about God. I know God exists.

Be not afraid.

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 2:19 AM

It’s very easy to rig an election in Iran. The majority of voters are illiterate. So the polls people ask them who they want to vote for, and the pollster writes it down. The pollster can write down any name he wants. The voter will never know.

Felonious Monk on June 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Yeah, it happens here too.

atheling on June 14, 2009 at 2:22 AM

That’s why I gave up trying a long time ago. I figure I know everything I really need to know and I can just make the rest of it up as I go along.

FloatingRock on June 14, 2009 at 2:15 AM

Barrack? Is that you?

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 2:28 AM

Barrack? Is that you?

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 2:28 AM

Invoking my mighty power of “just making the rest of it up”… nope, I’ve got nothin’. Back to the books for me.

FloatingRock on June 14, 2009 at 2:41 AM

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 2:19 AM
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Well, we are not twins then. As you were joining, I was leaving at the age of 18 and have not been back since. I have been reading all the other doctrines more for educational purposes only. I joined the Army and traveled all over Europe. People are people but religions are the same and not the same at the same time. Say that previous line three times quickly. Anyway, I asked my Dad why he still went to church and he said “Just in case”. I will say this much, I think Thomas (one of the twelve) has no doubts anymore about the Lord and neither do I. I won’t be going back to church “just in case” though. I wish you well sir and bid you a good Sunday.

Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 2:47 AM

Well, we are not twins then.

Americannodash on June 14, 2009 at 2:47 AM

Good night, brother. May your journey be full of wonders, and a candle always burning in the window for you.

Loxodonta on June 14, 2009 at 2:54 AM

EXTRA EXTRA FRESH OFF THE PRESSES

US rejects victory claim by Iran’s Ahmadinejad

SgtSVJones on June 14, 2009 at 3:05 AM

Obama should speak out in solidarity with the people of Iran and against this sham election victory by Ahmadinejad. He should deliver some of that “hope” he claims he has to give to the dissidents and pro democracy forces in Iran who risk their lives daily for change. Sadly, I suspect he will do the exact opposite.

Dollayo on June 14, 2009 at 5:24 AM

I guess some of Saddam’s election managers converted to Shi’a Islam and now work for the supreme leader. Next time the system will be fully implemented and will return 99.99999999983% for the ‘approved’ candidate.

For now the ayatollahs can return to persecuting Baha’is and stoning adulterers; business as usual.

Annar on June 14, 2009 at 6:31 AM

My point was that Israel and the US have been joined at the hip since its inception

katy on June 13, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Not quite. It is true that America under Truman was the first to recognize Israel’s sovereignty. But America did not become an ally of Israel until Israel won the Six Day War nearly 20 years later showing herself to be the singular military power in the region and an ally worth having, especially given the influence of the USSR on many Arab states.

ProfessorMiao on June 14, 2009 at 7:45 AM

This is very Carter-esque of the Obama administration. Those of us who were adults when Carter was in office remember his flailing foreign policy based on what he wanted human nature to be, not on the reality of human nature.

WordsMatter on June 14, 2009 at 7:51 AM

Obama should speak out in solidarity with the people of Iran and against this sham election victory by Ahmadinejad. He should deliver some of that “hope” he claims he has to give to the dissidents and pro democracy forces in Iran who risk their lives daily for change. Sadly, I suspect he will do the exact opposite.

Dollayo on June 14, 2009 at 5:24 AM

He should do just the opposite or nothing at all. By encouraging Iranians to revolt and protest, he’ll just get more of ‘em killed. When it’s hope vs. bullet, the bullet always wins.

WordsMatter on June 14, 2009 at 7:56 AM

Hey. I have several articles over on my blog… Click here to get there. I found one interesting one that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that things were rigged. Hat tip to Right Wing Nut House for the link.

Also, check #iranelection on Twitter. Lots of chatter there. But, I would say that this sets us up for the endgame with Iran on the nuclear issues. The problem is I just don’t think Obama has the interest in solving the issue. Military action isn’t an option due to the loss of life and equipment we would sustain. Sanctions aren’t working. My thinking is he’s baiting Netanyahu into attacking. Although, Obama’s stupidity on Israel is another issue, entirely.

Pay close attention to this stuff, folks. I’ll keep updating my blog, but this is serious, world-changing and will have a huge impact on history. I hope it is not as bad as I fear it may get.

mncons72 on June 14, 2009 at 8:02 AM

It’s interesting that the Iranian leadership is now behaving exactly like the Shah did back in the 70’s when the population was unhappy with what he and his government were doing, and we all know how that ended up.

Dreadnought223 on June 14, 2009 at 8:03 AM

So the story basically is: ACORN is also in Iran for voter fraud there too?

Jeff from WI on June 14, 2009 at 8:04 AM

Acorn in Iran? Well… I dunno, but certainly the government had the books cooked before the game even started. To assume otherwise is to be completely dumb to the track record of the guys in Tehran.

mncons72 on June 14, 2009 at 8:09 AM

Whatever Ogabe says (words, just words) about this election, I’m confident that he and his ACORN stooges are studying it for tips and techniques to guarantee his own reelection in 2012. Why have masters if you can’t learn from them?

SKYFOX on June 14, 2009 at 8:30 AM

I am shocked… shocked, I say, to learn the Mr. I’m a dinner jacket failed to hold a free and fair election. I was told that 0bama’s election team as well as key ACORN personnel was handling the Iranian election this year…

/sarc

Wolftech on June 14, 2009 at 9:41 AM

The world may very well be at war well before 2012 unless something changes. B.O.’s lack of skill overseas and Hillary walking around kissing ChinaCom ass is not a good mixture. What U.S. goodies can Hillary promise now to get CHina to help? China isn’t the answer. China wants us dependent on them and look around, its slowly happening and more than ever. Gee, what will CHina want next to help us with North Korea and what other weapons can we promise to destroy to have Russia take cre of Iran? If there is any good here it will be new alliances will form, but lets hope CHina doesn’t use this to steal that form us too. Ahhh feel the joy, huh? nice. I think I’ll go puke now.

johnnyU on June 14, 2009 at 9:45 AM

I’maDinnerJacket. LOL. Its easier to say.

Rigged elections. pffft. Now what would we know about that?
Dont look at ACRON there. Look for Russian rigging.

johnnyU on June 14, 2009 at 9:47 AM

The official count says a majority for AhmadinejadGore Kerry Obama. That’s not possible.

Who are we to point fingers just because the iranians have thier own version of acorn?

peacenprosperity on June 14, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Dinner Jacket didn’t need ACORN to win. He had Jimmy Carter making sure the Jew hater won.

Geochelone on June 14, 2009 at 10:07 AM

The thing I like about all of this is how the Iranian people, particulary the kids, have proved themselves to be more sensible than their elders.

After all, who really wins with Iran in isolation? Not the Iranians, that’s for certain.

We’ll just have to look forward to the day when the smart people of Iran are not plotting against the rest of the world but instead studying medicine and science for the benefit of everyone. They have a lot to contribute.

dcpolwarth on June 14, 2009 at 10:17 AM

And this is the guy Barry wants to sit down across the table from?
Smart Power!

kingsjester on June 14, 2009 at 10:30 AM

At the Standard, Stephen Hayes says it’s time for a new Obama speech challenging the results on behalf of the Iranian people.

If it gets worse here is what the barry administration will say,”We respect the sovereignty of the iranian regime and urge restraint on both sides in this political disagreement.” What happens in iran isn’t going to be the interesting part. If things get worse and the revolutionary guard, which is a bunch of psychos who survived walking the iraqi minefields as children and think they are annointed, starts to really go into action, will barry tell cnn and msnbc and all the rest of his propaganda machine to back off? If that happens will the American people finally wake up? How will the wacko left in europe, who adore barry but hate islam, do and behave?

How come conservatives have been so quiet about more teaparties on the 4th of July? I have heard nothing about a gathering in my town and our original gathering got a good turnout. This country needs some conservative turnouts like in those clips from iran. Something has to be done because the majority of Americans have absolutely no idea what fascism really is and have no idea that this country is hurtling towards a fascist future.

peacenprosperity on June 14, 2009 at 10:32 AM

The Messiah is just lov’n this! What a model for 2012!

Friendly21 on June 14, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Good for the Twitter Users for shaming CNN….hopefully the MSM will quit cherry picking their stories and start reporting on the things that need to be reported on.

yoda on June 14, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Does the government of Iran require photo ID before voting?

I’m just guessing they do since Ahmadinejad is showing his ID and a stained finger.

Will ACORN deploy to Iran to fight for the disenfranchised that were not able to vote since they didn’t have an ID?

redstateKS on June 14, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Hey, barry. The iranian people are shouting “We want freedom.” in english. Who the hell do you think that is meant for? saudi arabia? venezuela? egypt? They are calling out to a nation that they believe is on thier side. Unfortunately we have our own regime problem here and it is not going to get better any time soon. Sorry, iranian people, you are on your own. Good luck and maybe you can be an inspiration to our lazy, ignorant, apathetic citizens who may learn something from you.

peacenprosperity on June 14, 2009 at 11:08 AM

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