Senior U.S. official: Yes, the Iranian election was rigged; Update: 50-100 dead? Update: We’ll still work with Iran, says White House

posted at 3:47 pm on June 13, 2009 by Allahpundit

The White House is playing it cool lest U.S. support for Mousavi discredit his supporters but U.S. analysts have little doubt. The fix is indeed in:

U.S. analysts find it “not credible” that challenger Mir Hossein Mousavi would have lost the balloting in his hometown or that a third candidate, Mehdi Karoubi, would have received less than 1 percent of the total vote, a senior U.S. officials told FOX News.

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khameini apparently has released a statement calling the results “final” and hailing the election as a legitimization of the regime and its elections…

The dominant view among Obama administration officials is that the regime will look so bad as a result of whipping up Iranian hopes for democracy and then squelching them that the regime may feel compelled to show some conciliatory response to Obama’s gestures of engagement.

Maybe. Or maybe popular unrest will force them to clamp down harder, become more recalcitrant about negotiations, and double down on nationalist propaganda about nukes to get the public back on their side. More from Time on what a shabby fraud this was:

By Saturday morning, the most often repeated exclamation in Tehran was: “It’s not possible!”…

A group of young men said they had talked to their families in the provinces, including Kurdish Kermanshah, Azeri Oroumiyeh and Ardeblil. Mohsen, 23, said, “Everyone in Tabriz [Mousavi’s hometown] voted for Mousavi. The official count says a majority for Ahmadinejad. That’s not possible.” Mehdi, 27, chimed in, “Even if just Karroubi’s family in Lorestan had voted for him, he would have won more than 300,000 votes.”

More serious allegations came from officials involved in the various reformist candidates’ campaigns. Mohammad-Ali Abtahi, part of opposition figure Mehdi Karroubi’s campaign, pointed out that the government “announced a wholesale figure of 70% for Ahmadinejad last night, as opposed to breaking it down province by province as they usually do.” The first figures were announced shortly after voting closed, he added. A breakdown of how people in each city and province voted has not been released yet.

At the Mousavi headquarters, former Interior Minister Ali Akbar Mohtashamipour protested that Mousavi observers had not gained access to many of the polling centers. He also said that in Tabriz, Mousavi’s birthplace, many of the polling stations had run out of ballots only two hours after opening, even though about 59 million ballots had been printed by the government, about 13 million more than the number of eligible voters.

The regime shut down text messaging across the country yesterday too to hamper organization of the protests they knew would follow the results. Even so, the Beeb says street violence today is the worst Tehran has seen in 10 years, replete with Iranian cops beating women with nightsticks. The clip below will give you a taste but see Michael Totten for more vids, including one of a monster rally where protesters chanted “Death to the government.” There’s also a hot rumor going around that Rafsanjani, the former president of Iran, current head of the powerful Assembly of Experts, and rival-in-chief to Ahmadinejad, has resigned from the Expediency Council in protest of the results, a move which should go a long way towards delegitimizing them. After 30 years, only a diehard optimist would bet on this clusterfark exploding into full-fledged counterrevolution, but the more discredited the regime is and the more alienated Iranians feel from it, the more leverage the west has to get tough with them over the nuclear impasse. Assuming, of course, that the political will to do so exists. Which it doesn’t.

As I write this, news is breaking that Mousavi’s been arrested, which would be the second big mistake the mullahs have made in the last 24 hours. Three questions now as things heat up. One: Why didn’t they rig the vote in a more convincing way? Everyone expected the margin to be close after such a nasty campaign; a close Ahmadinejad win, with Mousavi victorious in the urban areas he was supposed to carry, would have been credible. I guess they figured that a narrow defeat would be treated as even more suspect by Mousavi’s supporters, so they went in the opposite direction and made it a landslide — to an implausible degree, as it turned out. Two: With the regime more illegitimate than ever, where does this leave The One vis-a-vis nuke negotiations? He’s been careful in the past to distinguish Khamenei from the more toxic Ahmadinejad, but Khamenei blessed the results today as a “divine assessment.” His credibility’s shot now, too. If Obama meets with him anyway, it’ll put the U.S. on the side of a sham government against the Iranian people more starkly than ever before. Three: Did Khamenei order the election rigged on Ahmadinejad’s behalf or did Ahmadinejad order the election rigged on his own behalf? That is to say, who really controls the levers of power in Iran? If you read nothing else I’ve linked here, at least read this fascinating interview in the Nation with a former Iranian minister who argues that because Dinnerjacket is closely allied with the fantastically powerful Revolutionary Guard (and a former Guardsman himself) and oversees the ministries that keep Khamenei informed of what’s happening, he can effectively isolate and manipulate him. Maybe — maybe — the situation in Iran is now less a case of Khamenei using Ahmadinejad as a public mouthpiece than vice versa. Good luck, Barry.

Update: At the Standard, Stephen Hayes says it’s time for a new Obama speech challenging the results on behalf of the Iranian people. If he does that, though, then nuke negotiations are well and truly dead; the regime’s not going to chat with a guy who’s basically calling for it to be overthrown, in which case the military option is the only solution left to stopping an Iranian bomb. Think The One’s going to leave himself with that hand?

Update: Another must-read at Foreign Policy’s blog The Cable rounding up reaction from Iranian experts. No one but no one is taking the election numbers seriously, which makes this a full-blown legitimacy crisis for a regime that’s never been very legitimate to begin with. I can’t believe they FUBAR’d the fix this badly.

Update: Tehran Bureau, a site for independent Iranian journalism, claims there are 50 to 100 people dead from Iranian cops’ thuggery at protests today. Plus thus tidbit, proving that this is in fact a coup:

Two interesting points on Iranian election:

1. After election results were announced, the election committee must wait for three days to accept any grievances for any irregularity before certify the results.

2. The results of election needs to be certified by the Council of Experts before it goes to the Leader for final approval

Today neither of these two rules were followed and the Leader in his speech approved the results of the election and asked all parties involved to work with Ahmadinejad.

Follow the link for videos galore. And see this post too for a graph that’s as much of a smoking gun as LGF’s famous Rathergate graphic was.

Update: Steve Hayes had better not hold his breath waiting for that Obama speech. The White House says it’s full speed ahead on “dialogue.”

The Obama administration is determined to press on with efforts to engage the Iranian government, senior officials said Saturday, despite misgivings about irregularities in the re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad…

“This is the worst result,” said Thomas R. Pickering, a former under secretary of state. “The U.S. will have to worry about being perceived as pandering to a president whose legitimacy is in question. It clearly makes the notion of providing incentives quite unappetizing.”

Presumably the thinking here is that public outrage in Iran will weaken the mullahs’ hand against the U.S. and force them to accept some grand bargain, in which case Obama’s basically offering them legitimacy in exchange for denuclearization. The more likely outcome, though, is that the regime will continue to jerk him around while it builds a bomb and then count on its announcement that Iran has become a nuclear state to stoke national pride and win over its disaffected public. In which case Obama will have given them legitimacy in exchange for nothing. Terrific.


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Senior U.S. official: Yes, the Iranian election was rigged

I thought Obama affected the outcome… just like in Lebanon.

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Where’s Jimmy Carter when you need him!

av8tr on June 13, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Where’s Jimmy Carter when you need him!

av8tr on June 13, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Lord Jimmeh is teaching Obama how to use Teh Force.

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 3:53 PM

dealing with a sham govt. is not the problem–we’ve done that before with a straight face. but its dealing with them with “smart power” that should have us worried.

kelley in virginia on June 13, 2009 at 3:54 PM

The left must have their panties in a knot.

Who do they support? The new-Floridians or the Holocaust denier…

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 3:54 PM

But … if the election were rigged … against the “open hand” of the greatest that US enemies ever had in the White House (by orders of magnitude) then that means that the Iranian government is so incredibly nasty and belligerent that only a total moron would have thought that they ever could have been talked to. What sort of moron would have proposed to speak to such a regime? I wonder …

I am constantly amazed by the stupidity of The Precedent. I used to think that his IQ was hovering around 93 or 94, but I’m starting to believe that he is an 80’s kind of guy.

I laugh at all the people who ever thought this moron had any brains. Loudly.

progressoverpeace on June 13, 2009 at 3:55 PM

How do they know it was rigged?

I don’t get it.

AnninCA on June 13, 2009 at 3:55 PM

ACORN.

jgapinoy on June 13, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Er … that should be “greatest friend that US enemies ever had …”

progressoverpeace on June 13, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Yep, you meet with Ahmadinejad and you’re legitimizing the election process and his election.

The State Department can’t say, “The election was rigged and the Iranian people have been denied self-government” and then say, “We’ll meet to negotiate with the Iranian government.”

If they’re illegitimate you simply can’t meet them.

Yes, Mr. President, they’re called pre-conditions.

SteveMG on June 13, 2009 at 3:56 PM

How do they know it was rigged?

I don’t get it.

AnninCA on June 13, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Well, the CIA is rigging the rigged part ;-)

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Let’s trust them and give them nukes!

Firebird on June 13, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Maybe Obama just didn’t grovel enough to Iran…

Party in the streets – leftist style!

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the United States was monitoring the outcome of the election closely and hoped the results reflected the will of the Iranian people.

So the US government is hoping that it is the will of the Iranian people that Dinnerjacket won? Yeah, I know it’s just semantics, but properly it should be that the US hoped the will of the Iranian people is respected. Unless Dear Leader truly wants a rabid anti-semite as Iran’s president.

rbj on June 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM

What about those preconditions? It seems to me that George Bush said for years that the mullahs were thugs who did not act in good faith. Well, here is proof. They don’t have any more respect for their own people than they do for anyone else.

Terrye on June 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Why do I get the feeling this is all coming here in 2010……….

Shut down of “selected” internet sites, “selected” text messaging, fully sanctioned baseball bat (and more) carrying “poll observers”, zero coverage of any oposition other than saying they’ve been arrested……. you know…. kind of what everything is heading to now anyway.

E T Cartman on June 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM

It’s very easy to rig an election in Iran. The majority of voters are illiterate. So the polls people ask them who they want to vote for, and the pollster writes it down. The pollster can write down any name he wants. The voter will never know.

Felonious Monk on June 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM

The Iranians are the people that invented Chess. We were overmatched when we actually had a president. Now…well sit back and enjoy.

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Let’s trust them and give them nukes!

Firebird on June 13, 2009 at 3:57 PM

It’s their right. Our Traitor-ion-Chief just declared so to the world, from that great bastion of freedom and civilized society, Cairo.

progressoverpeace on June 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Lord Jimmeh is teaching Obama how to use Teh Force.

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Funny. If only we could be assured that he’d follow in Carters footsteps and not totally and completely ruin ALL foreign relations.

anniekc on June 13, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Obama is delusional if they think this will make them conciliatory. If they use criminal tactics against their own people why in gods name wouldn’t they be even more criminal on the international stage.

rob verdi on June 13, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Good post.

Spirit of 1776 on June 13, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Ann:

It might be the arrest of the opposition that gives it away.

Terrye on June 13, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Since when does anyone with any rational thought actually believe Iran acts honorably anyway? I would have been surprised if the election WASN’T rigged.

Beaglemom on June 13, 2009 at 4:00 PM

They Arrested the opposition in an election?!

yeah.. fair elections… definitely…

Compare and contrast this to 2000’s election here.

I don’t think I’d ever find myself saying this about that but… I’m damn proud to call myself an American over our behavior on that compared to this…

Skywise on June 13, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Funny. If only we could be assured that he’d follow in Carters footsteps and not totally and completely ruin ALL foreign relations.

anniekc on June 13, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Sorry. When you want to destroy the USA, you gotta go for broke.

Felonious Monk on June 13, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Now is the perfect time for an Israeli attack. The Mullahs are in a position of weakness. They are preoccupied stealing an election and quelling popular discontent. An attack focusing on five limited target groups should do nicely in pushing the mullahs, helping the students, and mitigating Israeli operational issues 1) Air defense network 2) Nuclear Program 3) Regime specific targets including the VAVAK 4) the Revolutionary Guard and Basji Militias 5) strategic counter force assets

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 4:01 PM

You know, I have to say, I’ve made snarky comments to Allahpundit before, but he’s a damn good writer. This post was really well done.

anniekc on June 13, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Beaglemom on June 13, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Shhh. You’ll scare the kids.

progressoverpeace on June 13, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Attention Cooper, Olbermann, and Maddow…

This is what a violent Tea Party looks like…

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:01 PM

The Guardian has an interesting take.

skree on June 13, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Sorry. When you want to destroy the USA, you gotta go for broke.

Felonious Monk on June 13, 2009 at 4:01 PM

That’s funny too. You all are on your game today!

anniekc on June 13, 2009 at 4:02 PM

How do they know it was rigged?

I don’t get it.

AnninCA on June 13, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Read the post again: it essentially lists the many ways that the “election” was rigged.

Janos Hunyadi on June 13, 2009 at 4:02 PM

OMG, I’m shocked. Shocked!!!!

Oh, wait no I’m not. This was fully expected.

mjk on June 13, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Where’s Jimmy Carter when you need him!

av8tr on June 13, 2009 at 3:51 PM

With the Palistinians getting an award

In the West Bank, Carter was awarded the Palestine International Award for Excellence and Creativity. Previous recipients included two former international envoys, James Wolfensohn and Peter Hansen.

“I have been in love with the Palestinian people for many years,” he said Saturday, adding that this is a feeling shared by members of his family.

“I have two great-grandsons that are rapidly learning about the people here and the anguish and suffering and deprivation of human rights that you have experienced ever since 1948,” he said.

Carter, 85, pledged his “assistance, as long as I live, to win your freedom, your independence, your sovereignty and a good life.”

William Amos on June 13, 2009 at 4:05 PM

How do they know it was rigged?

I don’t get it.

AnninCA on June 13, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Every independent poll up to the vote had Mousavi at about 70%. The consensus was that a large turn out would be for Mousavi not for Ahmadjihad. They had such a large turn out that polling places were held open until midnight.

Ahmadjihad won by 65% of the vote and (most importantly) the ruling class did NOT break the results down by area in the results as they normally do… only a general summary.

In short… the whole thing smells.

Skywise on June 13, 2009 at 4:05 PM

There will be the standard Obama/Clinton response–nasty letter to follow.

Next to come will be a wonderful speech filled with platitudes and tingling legs will follow.

patrick neid on June 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Where’s Jimmy Carter when you need him!

av8tr on June 13, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Funny you should ask

Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter was honored by the Palestinian government Saturday and pledged to support the Palestinians’ campaign for independence to the end of his days.

Del Dolemonte on June 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Carter, 85, pledged his “assistance, as long as I live, to win your freedom, your independence, your sovereignty and a good life.”

William Amos on June 13, 2009 at 4:05 PM

And by “good” life, does he mean like under his presidency?

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Now is the perfect time for an Israeli attack. The Mullahs are in a position of weakness. They are preoccupied stealing an election and quelling popular discontent. An attack focusing on five limited target groups should do nicely in pushing the mullahs, helping the students, and mitigating Israeli operational issues 1) Air defense network 2) Nuclear Program 3) Regime specific targets including the VAVAK 4) the Revolutionary Guard and Basji Militias 5) strategic counter force assets

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Completely wrong.

The Mullahs would use this to unify opposition against outside forces while increasing their control over the populace.

This is completely the Mullahs problem… let them own it.

Skywise on June 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM

‘reset’ button to Iran. Stat!

What’s ‘overcharged’ in Farsi?

progressoverpeace on June 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Time to send in the Nan-Dog

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:08 PM

double down on nationalist propaganda about nukes to get the public back on their side

I don’t get it. If the public wants more nationalist propaganda about nukes and they actually voted for Mousavi ( only to have the election stolen by Ahmadinejad ), doesn’t that mean Mousavi is more radical when it comes to nukes?

Buddahpundit on June 13, 2009 at 4:09 PM

The Mullahs would use this to unify opposition against outside forces while increasing their control over the populace.

This is completely the Mullahs problem… let them own it.

Skywise on June 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Agreed… Not that it would happen, but now is the time for the us [the US] to start pumping up the “propaganda – which happens to be true.”

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:10 PM

I’m confused, I thought all evil in the world was gone a few days ago?

javamartini on June 13, 2009 at 4:10 PM

I’m still not sure what is more ‘rigged’, the election in Iran or the West calling Mousavi a ‘moderate’?

progressoverpeace on June 13, 2009 at 4:10 PM

I’m still not sure what is more ‘rigged’, the election in Iran or the West calling Mousavi a ‘moderate’?

progressoverpeace on June 13, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Haha

Good point.

Are we rooting for the tepid anti-Semite?

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Where’s Jimmy Carter when you need him!

av8tr on June 13, 2009 at 3:51 PM

HA!

Where your audacity of HOPE, BARRY!!! Let’s talk to mullahs anyway. Yeah their people despise them, but they are the legitimate government. Huh?

I wouldn’t be surprise if your average Iranian is hoping for an attack by Israel. You know help speed along the overthrow of the Mullahs.

Lance Murdock on June 13, 2009 at 4:11 PM

As a few others have mentioned, excellent post by AP on a fast moving/changing story.

I can’t believe the hardliners would be this bold about the matter. After 30 years you’d think they’d be a bit more judicious. Unless they’re completely confident of their power and position.

The Presdient has stated that if a regime unclenches its fist against that we can have normal relations. Sorry, Mr. President, the internal nature of a regime manifests itself outwardly as well. You can’t separate the two.

SteveMG on June 13, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Time to send in the Nan-Dog

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Not clicking.

Loxodonta on June 13, 2009 at 4:12 PM

I wouldn’t be surprise if your average Iranian is hoping for an attack by Israel. You know help speed along the overthrow of the Mullahs.

Lance Murdock on June 13, 2009 at 4:11 PM

I wouldn’t assume that.

Even the Christians in that region are kooky.

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Are we rooting for the tepid anti-Semite?

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Not to mention a guy who had a hand in the Beirut bombing of the barracks and subsequent kidnappings of Westerners. Yeah, really moderate guy that Mousavi …

progressoverpeace on June 13, 2009 at 4:12 PM

U.S. analysts? Oh come on now, we all know how the Great Satan lies. does anybody in the U.S. government really believe Iran gives a rat’s backside what they think?

rplat on June 13, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Not clicking.

Loxodonta on June 13, 2009 at 4:12 PM

And by that, I’m going to assume you know which picture I linked to ;-)

I was thinking of you when I posted it.

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Obama owns this disaster. His craven appeasement in Cairo and performance in the Rose Garden yesterday afternoon legitimized this regime. Mind you, the supposed “reformer” was hand picked by the mullahs to begin with. So now Obama has to continue to legitimize the mullahs alienating all of the cretins that actually thought this was a real democratic election or admit his policy of appeasement is a disaster. Guess who wins either way…the mullahs

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 4:14 PM

“I have two great-grandsons that are rapidly learning about the people here and the anguish and suffering and deprivation of human rights that you have experienced ever since 1948,” he said.

Carter, 85, pledged his “assistance, as long as I live, to win your freedom, your independence, your sovereignty and a good life.”

Great, so now we have more Dhimmi Carters to look forward to in future generations. And, why does this guy get to live for 85+ years? I guess Billy Joel was right…

LeBron on June 13, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Not to mention a guy who had a hand in the Beirut bombing of the barracks and subsequent kidnappings of Westerners. Yeah, really moderate guy that Mousavi …

progressoverpeace on June 13, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Well, as long as he let’s Obama lick his toes, the left will be happy.

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Well, as long as he lets Obama lick his toes, the left will be happy.

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:14 PM

LOL.

progressoverpeace on June 13, 2009 at 4:15 PM

I’m still not sure what is more ‘rigged’, the election in Iran or the West calling Mousavi a ‘moderate’?

progressoverpeace

Former Ambassador John Bolton…………

“…….the extremist builds nuclear weapons and announces his intentions to destroy Israel… while the moderate builds nuclear weapons and is smart enough to keep his mouth shut about his intentions to destroy Israel.”

Pamela Geller has the video over at her site (Atlas)…..
Iran’s Election – A Wolf In Sheep’s Clothing

E T Cartman on June 13, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Change you can believe in

izoneguy on June 13, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Ann, the first hint that the election was rigged might have been the shut down of all text messaging. Then the fact that the opposition lost big time in his own town/tribal area, whatever they call it. thje next hint is the arrest of the main opposition leader.

You know, like we had when President Bush stole the election in 2000 & 2004. /s

Vince on June 13, 2009 at 4:15 PM

What a situation.

Honestly, the Obama Administration is playing it cool, and that’s a good thing. And it physically hurts to defend Obama. But it can’t go on too long. I would hate to see a real uprising squelched and nearly forgotten…like Tienanmen Square years ago.

Count me in the camp that believes the Iranian government will increase the crackdowns.

But were there any of those “observers” there to report on the validity of the voting process?

JetBoy on June 13, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Senior U.S. official: Yes, the Iranian election was rigged

So what are we going to do about it?

About as much as we’re doing about their nuclear bomb building.

Speakup on June 13, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Obama owns this disaster. His craven appeasement in Cairo and performance in the Rose Garden yesterday afternoon legitimized this regime. Mind you, the supposed “reformer” was hand picked by the mullahs to begin with. So now Obama has to continue to legitimize the mullahs alienating all of the cretins that actually thought this was a real democratic election or admit his policy of appeasement is a disaster. Guess who wins either way…the mullahs

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Heh, Heh, this is how America will look if Obama “wins” in 2012……….

izoneguy on June 13, 2009 at 4:16 PM

If only Ahmadinejad hadn’t turned Iran into Florida 2 (/sarc), the left may have pasted his face over Che’s…

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:17 PM

E T Cartman on June 13, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Yep. Atlas Shrugs always has the real information. First place I go to. I don’t know how she writes so much. Pam must not sleep, or something.

progressoverpeace on June 13, 2009 at 4:17 PM

This is what they have been hoping for, that the people will overthrow the Mullahs. I don’t know if it is going to work but it’s been Iran’s only hope for decades.

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2009 at 4:18 PM

What a situation.

Honestly, the Obama Administration is playing it cool, and that’s a good thing. And it physically hurts to defend Obama. But it can’t go on too long. I would hate to see a real uprising squelched and nearly forgotten…like Tienanmen Square years ago.

Count me in the camp that believes the Iranian government will increase the crackdowns.

But were there any of those “observers” there to report on the validity of the voting process?

JetBoy on June 13, 2009 at 4:16 PM

A new Iranian revolution….those people are sick of the corrupt, evil dictator.
Much like the majority of Americans are sick of Obama, and we have only had Obama for 5 months…..

izoneguy on June 13, 2009 at 4:19 PM

E T Cartman on June 13, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Yep. Atlas Shrugs always has the real information. First place I go to. I don’t know how she writes so much. Pam must not sleep, or something.

progressoverpeace on June 13, 2009 at 4:17 PM

She gets my vote

izoneguy on June 13, 2009 at 4:20 PM

We’ve been hearing off and on for about 25 years about how the young Iranians despise the regime and want change.

And, just like the elections here, they never show up.

Granted, it’s easy for me to advocate taking on a brutal fanatical regime from the safety of my computer.

Best guess: after some sporadic protests, they’ll cave in.

Again.

Now what do we do?

SteveMG on June 13, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khameini apparently has released a statement calling the results “final” and hailing the election as a legitimization of the regime and its elections.

In due form, Obama will mimic the Ayatollah and Chavez.

ACORN and Black Panthers corrupt US elections and Obama drops it. Even as Republicans forge legislation requiring photo ID to vote, Democrats scream that illegitimate voters will be denied the ballot. Obama is spreading the wealth of Constitutional Rights to terrorists while denying citizens of our Constitutional Republic.

maverick muse on June 13, 2009 at 4:20 PM

I wouldn’t assume that.

Even the Christians in that region are kooky.

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:12 PM

You never know, Israel and Iran had a very close relationship before the Mullahs came around. Persia was one of few places where Jews were more or less treated pretty well over the last few centuries (yes I know, not a high bar to begin with).

Plus you can never really know what people really think in places in like Iran. People are always worried if they are being watched or their opinions are being reported.

Lance Murdock on June 13, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Obama must have sent some of his ACORN buddies to help A-jad to organize the vote fraud.

Aristotle on June 13, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Hollywood needs to send annette benning back to work this all out.
I bet Warren could use a break….

nondhimmie on June 13, 2009 at 4:22 PM

You never know, Israel and Iran had a very close relationship before the Mullahs came around. Persia was one of few places where Jews were more or less treated pretty well over the last few centuries (yes I know, not a high bar to begin with).

Plus you can never really know what people really think in places in like Iran. People are always worried if they are being watched or their opinions are being reported.

Lance Murdock on June 13, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Do I think that many Iranians are moderate? Yes.

Do I think that many Iranians would accept a Jewish state? Yes.

Do I think that a sufficient majority of Iranians wouldn’t line up behind Khameini in the name of nationalism when Israel starts bombing? Eh… probably not…

This is not to say Israel doesn’t have a right to defend itself, but I wouldn’t be banking on any sympathy from these people. Even the Christians in Lebanon are siding with Hezbollah [Iran] for political reasons. Was there huge Israeli support from these people during the last Lebanese war? Nope.

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:26 PM

nondhimmie on June 13, 2009 at 4:22 PM

yeah, and she can take sean penn with……

SHARPTOOTH on June 13, 2009 at 4:27 PM

izoneguy on June 13, 2009 at 4:16 PM

hah. Which is about the time we’re going to have to go to the barricades…

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Are Fareed Zakari and Christiane Amanpour SHOCKED or what!!!

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:30 PM

I’ve got a great iranian protestor pic. Check it out

birdhurd on June 13, 2009 at 4:31 PM

A new Iranian revolution….those people are sick of the corrupt, evil dictator.
Much like the majority of Americans are sick of Obama, and we have only had Obama for 5 months…..

izoneguy on June 13, 2009 at 4:19 PM

I just don’t see a “new Iranian revolution” without the mullah’s approval. They ain’t gonna give up their power…easily, anyway.

Hope the world will take the chance and condemn Iran if this election is proven to be a sham.

JetBoy on June 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Not for nothing, but we have 130,000 us troops along with several hundred thousand Iraqi troops on one side of Iran, and about 40,000 troops on the other not to mention naval and air capabilities.

rob verdi on June 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM

This is precarious at best, if the stirred the pot enough to get rid of the Mullahs are they prepared to make sure worse (if possible) doesn’t take it’s place. It’s tough to see how this goes well for The One.

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2009 at 4:34 PM

birdhurd on June 13, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Good post. People seem to forget it is the lying, anti-Semitic peanut farmer who gave us the Mullahs.

PimFortuynsGhost on June 13, 2009 at 4:34 PM

rob verdi on June 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM

And the craven criminal Obama is going to use them for…

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Not for nothing, but we have 130,000 us troops along with several hundred thousand Iraqi troops on one side of Iran, and about 40,000 troops on the other not to mention naval and air capabilities.

rob verdi on June 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM

And our Commander in Chief is busy felating the Camel King.

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:35 PM

This is precarious at best, if the stirred the pot enough to get rid of the Mullahs are they prepared to make sure worse (if possible) doesn’t take it’s place. It’s tough to see how this goes well for The One.

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2009 at 4:34 PM

I’m curious what these “youths” actually want…

We saw what they got last time.

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:35 PM

This is not to say Israel doesn’t have a right to defend itself, but I wouldn’t be banking on any sympathy from these people. Even the Christians in Lebanon are siding with Hezbollah [Iran] for political reasons. Was there huge Israeli support from these people during the last Lebanese war? Nope.

Well I don’t think they would be parading in the streets either if Israel bombed their nuclear facilities. But I don’t think your average Iranian would want to go to war with Israel on this issue either.

On your Lebanon analysis. It’s only the Maronite Christians that are backing Hezbollah. And its probably b/c Assad, paid off their leader Michel Aoun.

Lance Murdock on June 13, 2009 at 4:36 PM

ACORN.

jgapinoy on June 13, 2009 at 3:56 PM

darn you.

;o)

How about, “Coming to a United States near you!”

Mommypundit on June 13, 2009 at 4:36 PM

elduende and Upstater85,
yeah I know. I bet the Mullahs would have had second thoughts with Rumsfeld at the Penatgon and Bush as president.

rob verdi on June 13, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Hope the world will take the chance and condemn Iran if this election is proven to be a sham.

JetBoy on June 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM

I don’t see how this election is any bit of a stain on Iran. Compared to all the other stuff they are doing, and that Mousavi wanted to keep doing, this election is nothing. Who cares if they rigged it? I mean, really – who cares?

I don’t see why this idea of a rigged Iranian election is such a big deal. This is Iran we’re talking about.

The only problem is that that country wasn’t bombed into the stone age, or the dirt age, at some point in the last 30 years and certainly the past 10. We keep putting off the inevitable, back when the cost was minimal, so that now the cost of dealing with Iran, as will have to be done, is through the roof. But it still has to be done and this “election” would have had made no difference in that, whatsoever.

progressoverpeace on June 13, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Upstater85 on June 13, 2009 at 4:35 PM

For our sake we can hope they are as moronic as the “youth” that gave us Obama. that way they will neuter Iran in one fell swoop.

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Yeah. This shouldn’t surprise anyone.

As I said on my blog, Obama has a bad hand here. Military action isn’t an option, but there are some very good reasons why the mullahs will continue to keep Ahmadenijad in power as a puppet. He is a puppet. Until they’re forced to moderate, expect more of the same, and Israel is the one left to mop up the mess. Won’t be pretty.

mncons72 on June 13, 2009 at 4:37 PM

What a situation.

Honestly, the Obama Administration is playing it cool, and that’s a good thing. And it physically hurts to defend Obama. But it can’t go on too long. I would hate to see a real uprising squelched and nearly forgotten…like Tienanmen Square years ago.

Count me in the camp that believes the Iranian government will increase the crackdowns.

But were there any of those “observers” there to report on the validity of the voting process?

JetBoy on June 13, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Jet:

A worse that yours scenario. The regimen, fighting coordinated western protests, orders Hezbollah and Hamas to go into the offensive to create a diversion.

No that could become a nightmare.

El Coqui on June 13, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Now what do we do?

SteveMG on June 13, 2009 at 4:20 PM

I would hope we don’t encourage them to overthrow the regime and then hang them out to dry like George Herbert Bush did with the Shi’tes and Kurds in Iraq after the first Gulf war.

a capella on June 13, 2009 at 4:39 PM

North Korea is setting off nukes, Iran is getting worse as well as Iraq. The Afghan war is flaring up.

Can we admit now that Obamadiplomacy is a failure ?

William Amos on June 13, 2009 at 4:40 PM

The election was over long ago when the mullahs decided which among the 400 candidates would be allowed to appear on the ballot.

pedestrian on June 13, 2009 at 4:40 PM

No one but no one is taking the election numbers seriously

Wrong. A columnist at The Guardian (of course) is.

The sentimental implausibility of Ahmedinejad’s victory that Mousavi’s supporters set forth as the evidence of state corruption must be met by the equal implausibility that such widespread corruption could take place under clear daylight. So, until hard evidence emerges that can substantiate the claims of the opposition camp we need to look to other reasons to explain why so many are stunned by the day’s events.

*sigh*

YYZ on June 13, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Military action isn’t an option,

mncons72 on June 13, 2009 at 4:37 PM

How do you arrive at that? The fact is that military action is the only option.

progressoverpeace on June 13, 2009 at 4:40 PM