My God, it’s full of czars!

Fallen Sparrow on June 14, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Funny. Say hi to HAL.

Islamic culture is incompatible with any type of freedom or democracy by its nature unless it exist in a diverse environment where it is not the law of the land. We are doing a social experiment in Iraq but once the US moves out of their government affairs it’ll revert right back to rule by Islamic extremism down the road.

My father, who is a black American convert to Islam and is currently an Imam tries to make a distinction between the religion and the culture. But the culture is actually a product of the Religion. So something is defunct in the Religion. There is no question that I have not seen any religion in particular in current History that consistently throughout the world blows up babies and cuts off peoples heads and put it on the internet.

Take the Palestinians. They practice democracy but elect terrorist as their leaders. I feel bad they have to be “oppressed” but they are 90% doing it to themselves. They should study the African-American Civil Rights Movement to see what finally WORKED! Definitely not lobbing half-ass RPGS into people’s homes.

Terrye on June 14, 2009 at 12:20 PM

I’m just pointing out the historical facts of governance among islamic cultures. And the European situation of muslims, with total freedom, puts an exclamation point on it.

But the sad fact is that no one can point to any islamic society that had/has self-rule with individual liberties and has not been swallowed up by islam, eventually. As I said, Turkey comes closest, but it was military supremacy (anathema to Western sensibilities, which is why the EU forced Turkey to change their constitution) that was always needed to keep islam from taking over. Pakistan provides another such example, though messier and more immature than Turkey.

This is because islam is, at its core, not a religion, but a political ideology with an attendant mythology. Ataturk understood this (and he loved islam). Islam always demands the powers of state, and when it gets it things are just ugly, as islam is nothing but the formalization of desert arab culture which is stuck back in the stone age (and worse).

If you have some counter examples I’d be happy to take them into consideration.

Jewish Writer. Thank God Obama doesnt “Wink” (Its not allowed in African American Culture) and thank God that Ahmadinajad was reelected ISrael needs him to force changes in Israel

William Amos on June 14, 2009 at 9:26 AM

“African American Culture” doesn’t have any particulars against winking or “Wink”. We wink “Wink” all the time. Maybe Nentanyahu was over-winking the “Wink” and appeared to have a nervous tick.

It’s really sad that our ‘news’ organizations are not covering this potential revolution. Then they wonder why they are losing influence among the American people.

Lance Murdock on June 13, 2009

What are you talking about? Cnn/Msnbc/Fox News feature important news. Like the latest interview with Hollywood actors, the latest poll results of 500 people nationwide, and what Palin/Limbaugh/Left Wing Nuts/Obama said in some publication.

I can remember a time when a lot of Muslims were about as religious as secular Jews are today. It seems to me that not all Muslims are alike, some are a lot more zealous than others.

I wish I could find the link, but I read somewhere that almost half the Muslims in Iraq do not attend regular religious services.

William Amos on June 13, 2009 at 10:12 PM

This shocked me, too. However, I think it is correct and was the conclusion that I, personally came to after watching a course from the Teaching Company about the history of the Middle East.
Unless you are an expert in any subject that is covered in the news, it is difficult to form an opinion or understand what is happening without some perspective. In my time here on earth reading blogs, magazines, newspapers and watching TV doesn’t really inform you. It’s like knowing separate pieces of the puzzle, but it is difficult to pull it altogehter to finish the big picture because pieces are missing.
Thomas Friedman in the NY Times seems to be able to do it. Don’t know his credentials, but he seems to have come to the same conclusion that I did after I had seen this course.
Truman’s Middle East foreign policy was to spread democracy everywhere the US could. Subsequently the next presidents either ignored the Middle East(read Israel for the most part) or took a huge interest in it because they were afraid that the USSR would influence them and get the oil. Cold War, you know.
It wasn’t until 9-11 that Bush’s policy of creating a democracy in the Middle East other than Israel was possible. I don’t know if he had this in his mind in the beginning or not. He chose Iraq because they were the victims of circumstances and geography almost dictated it. It was the best place to go if the US was going to do it. He also stated that democracies for the most part do not attatck each other. Stop groaning out there. I know you might think of an instance, but I haven’t.
John the Libertarian also said that when the people in Iran see that Iraq has democracy, the people want it, too. George Bush also stated that and that was more justification for the Iraq War for him. He had many, many reasons for going into Iraq, but the press and Libs decided that WMD’s were the reason they chose and relentlessly focused on it. Bush had a bigger plan.
There were reports that the students in Iran were the ones that were ready to throw off the rule of the mullahs and if we would only send them lap tops that they could pull of an uprising. I often wondered why we didn’t do that. Probably because we had enough on our plate and Bush was willing to wait. Or the reports weren’t true. I have no idea.
Our oil supply is threatened now and we should have started drilling in our own back yard. Research on alternative fuel is certainly not produced results yet. Obama just recently canceled all of the government vehicles that were going to be produced using fuel cells. Bio fuels are not working and making and depending on bio fuels needs to go back to the drawing board. Using corn for fuel only causes food shortages. It’s manufacture and transport is not cost effective and the extra caution is expenive.
I highly recommend the Teaching Company to flesh out your education. You can Google them. The courses are kind of expensive as CD’s go, but there are frequent sales. We discovered them because a Dr. friend decided that he wanted to learn more about calculus. Not my idea of a good time, but he already had purchased one on the history of music so was familiar with them. In the meantime my husband wanted one on astronomy so we bought it. We have ended up trading back and forth for quite a while. My home school friend gets them for her teenagers. They are on a college level, but no tests or papers to write. Perfect!!!!

Isn’t the very word “Islam” Arabic for totalitarianism?

JiangxiDad on June 14, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Heh. I used to say that there are only 5 things one needs to know about islam:

1) ‘islam’ means ‘submission’
2) muslims must kiss the ground 5 times a day, every single day
3) there are no days of rest in islam
4) apostacy is punishable by death
5) the islamic calendar is a totally lunar calendar (putting muslims always at odds with modern societies) and the insertion of any intercalaries is punishable by death

These 5 little facts about islam say everything one needs to know. They are minor bits, but show the true nature of the ideology. At least, that’s how I look at it.

I would also add an addendum to my response to Willam Amos: islam in the free world has flourished and radicalized. Europe is about to be swallowed by a freed islam.

My God, it’s full of czars!

Fallen Sparrow on June 14, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Big laughs! You are a clever one. Thanks.

When individual freedom and self-rule is allowed in any islamic society, freedom is quickly and violently put to death. It’s always been that way.

progressoverpeace on June 14, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Isn’t the very word “Islam” Arabic for totalitarianism?

Freedom may kill Islam.

William Amos on June 14, 2009 at 9:14 AM

The historical case is that islam kills freedom, always. There is not a single islamic society that has self-rule with individual liberties. The closest one gets is Turkey, but there the secular military has always been the supreme power (against the encroachment of islam) and has had to overthrow four civilian governments (with a fifth looking to be on the horizon, though the EU forced Turkey to change their constitution 6 or 7 years ago).

When individual freedom and self-rule is allowed in any islamic society, freedom is quickly and violently put to death. It’s always been that way.

ajacksonian on June 14, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Thanks for sharing the insight.

I didn’t know Iran had their own ACORN?

Frances on June 14, 2009 at 9:39 AM

heh

To give you an idea of the Baseej, they were the ones herding children to attack Iraq during the ’80s. Unarmed children. They are also the workplace religious enforcers and run a number of the very worst prisons that have been cited for torture and ‘disappearing’ people.

I don’t expect the Iranian Army to come out in support of the regime, either, as their mid-command ranks are populated by men drawn from the civilian population at-large. In theorty the IRGC can call them out, but that would be the equivalent of the Russian Army returning from the front in 1917: it joined the Revolution, not put it down. The regime won’t try that for an internal revolt, unless they are horrifically desperate and then 1917 may very well be the result.

As it is the IRGC, Baseej, hired thugs and any Hezbollah laying around used to attack Iraq or Afghanistan are about it. Plus the regime has had to raise natural gas and gasoline prices as it has become a net importer of those. In late 2007 Iran was attacked economically with natural gas, and that has the possibility of being linked with a Red Mafia organization based on past and current positions of natural gas storage in Ukraine. Needing to buy gasoline is due to the decaying oil refining industry in Iran that even Gazprom and China will not touch.

So after rationing of natural gas, price hikes in subsidized gasoline, and a general feeling that the regime can’t confront the Red Mafia and is inviting trouble, the question of the civil police in multiple cities coming to the rescue of the regime is problematical. The places to keep watch are the ethnic areas of Iran: Baluchs (east), Azeri and Kurd (along northern Iraq’s border). Each of these has had uprisings in the last two years, and the Baluchs have demonstrated organization and capability to pull of terror attacks deep inside Iran. The Kurds may finally want to call it quits with Iran and join up with their ethnic brothers, and the Azeri would follow suit if that happens as they have ethnic ties to the north. If any one of those three shifts the Army might get called out, but that would generally indicate the incapacity of the regime to hold any order at all. And as the Army is Persian and those that would seek to revolt or even secede are not, and the population at home is in turmoil… somehow calling the Army out isn’t looking good no matter how you cut it. Nor the civil police.

The Mullahs deserve this as does the IRGC.

A new day begins in Iran, but that has not translated into a new President. In fact, it appears that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has cemented his power and control over the Iranian polity and has taken to arresting opposition leaders and even Mirhussein Mous…..

Lance Murdock on June 14, 2009 at 9:42

awesome! I’m excited

/ahmadinej-sarc