Video: The Public Plan Deception
posted at 2:14 pm on June 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The guys at Verum Serum strike again with this new video of Democrats and their think-tank allies talking about the real goal of the “public plan” in ObamaCare, the new health plan getting rolled out in Congress this month. The White House says the plan will “keep private insurers honest,” but it seems the dishonesty comes from the Oval Office and Capitol Hill:
The people who designed this approach were very honest about it, as you can see in the above video. None of them talk about “keeping private insurers honest”; instead, they’re openly scornful of private insurance and want to rid us of them as soon as they are politically able to do so. The one couldn’t even bring himself to call the public plan a Trojan Horse, so obvious is its intent.
The entire premise of the public plan, as designed by its originators, was to crowd out the private insurers by undercutting them on price. After all, the government can take losses on the plan for as long as they need to drive everyone else out of the market. Once that process completes, voila! Single-payer remains as the only option.
Time to get on the phones and start telling your Senators and Congressment to vote no on the public plan. We will start next week on The Ed Morrissey Show. Get ready for some activism.
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That’s a canard. They drive over here in droves and pay out of pocket to use the U.S. health care system every single day. The ones who don’t would do it if they could afford it. Believe me, many many Canadians are worried sick that the safety valve is about to be shut off.
aero on June 12, 2009 at 4:54 PM
To be honest, I don’t care if you don’t. Get lost.
darwin on June 12, 2009 at 4:55 PM
So voter, and registration fraud is something to be proud of? Embezzelment is something to be proud of? Claiming to be bipartisan, while campaigning for Obama is something to be proud of? Taking tax payer money from ALL tax payers, while only representing the left, is something to be proud of? Cheering on those who don’t pay taxes, and punishing those who do, with more, and more taxes, is something to be proud of?
Wow!!! No morals is a point of being proud now. Just….wow!!!
capejasmine on June 12, 2009 at 4:55 PM
How do you feel about an elite tier of politicians, judges, entertainment figures, etc. not participating in this program when it goes through, but having their own private, rapid, more comprehensive coverage and care? Are you willing to tell us you think this will not be the case?
a capella on June 12, 2009 at 4:56 PM
I love it how people that don’t pay taxes or work for a living dictate to the rest of us what is their right. Typical leftists.
elduende on June 12, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Dang Hornet, you beat me to it:
manofaiki on June 12, 2009 at 4:56 PM
I’m curious, how did you arrive at that.
From 10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care
Xiphos on June 12, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Two words: Gomery Report.
DrSteve on June 12, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Who’s the source for that? Olberman? Matthews? Bahahahahaha!
Then tell me why, so many come here for their health care? Hell, I have a friend in Toronoto, who shops in the U.S., just because it’s cheaper. That is…for now.
capejasmine on June 12, 2009 at 4:57 PM
The ones that do also don’t mind bending over and paying upwards of 60% in taxes to get it, which is why their standard of living in Canada is lower than ours. Also, they are much healthier in terms of lifestyle, weight, diet, excercise, smoking, etc. than the U.S. You don’t see nearly the need for seatbelt extenders at amusement parks in Canada that you do in the US.
txmomof6 on June 12, 2009 at 4:57 PM
We know. Liberals are not big fans of that old raggedy piece of paper that keeps them from doing the stuff they want to do because what they want to do goes completely against the ideals upon which this country was founded. The ideals that made it the greatest, freest, most prosperous, most opportunity-filled country that has ever existed on this planet.
aero on June 12, 2009 at 4:57 PM
The biggest joke is the government keeps taking more and more hard earned money and imposing more and more regulation on insurance and health care industries driving the cost up. It’s a setup that’s been in the works for a long time.
They made health care expensive, made us poorer and now tell us that they’ll fix the problem by taxing us more and dictating our treatment.
darwin on June 12, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Cite: Michael Moore – Sicko
Ferris on June 12, 2009 at 4:58 PM
/s
Ferris on June 12, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Show me the stats Aero.
There are 30 million people in Canada.
Show me how many come to the US everyday.
And show me how many can afford to come to the US to get treatment.
It’s like me saying that “all Americans love to go to France, look at how many are in planes going to Paris everyday!”
mycowardice on June 12, 2009 at 4:59 PM
It’s full of negative rights…
kahall on June 12, 2009 at 4:59 PM
I was just thinking that, when I saw your post. You are 100% correct. It’s easy to sit up all high, and mighty, and not pay taxes, or work, or do for oneself, then essentially turning oneself into a victim, that judges others for not having empathy.
Pathetic. God gave you gifts just like He did anyone. The fact that you sit here, and choose not to use those gifts, but whine because you want to take what others make, or have, without working for it, makes you pitiful.
capejasmine on June 12, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Sorry, manofaiki. Great minds.
This would all be so funny, if it wasn’t destroying this great nation.
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I am waiting for Hussein to dictate racial quotas on doctors in the new Amerikan medical system.
leftnomore on June 12, 2009 at 5:00 PM
You’re using the wrong denominator.
DrSteve on June 12, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I see this leftist troll has been left around to hijack threads and drive up the comments.
And this leftist troll seems to hijack the Healthcare threads…
Ban Hammer.
elduende on June 12, 2009 at 5:01 PM
And……. If the Constitution were to be adhered to, those same liberals would have to learn to be self reliant. A concept totally foreign to them
oldernwiser on June 12, 2009 at 5:01 PM
learn to be self reliant…? Isn’t that hard? It must be banned.
kahall on June 12, 2009 at 5:02 PM
OK, quittin’ time.
Nice weekend, all.
DrSteve on June 12, 2009 at 5:03 PM
All of the lies are there.
All of the deceitful planning is there.
All of the deceitful strategies are there.
What else do the sheeple need to see to see they’re wrong?
madmonkphotog on June 12, 2009 at 5:03 PM
To be perfectly honest, I don’t care if healthcare isn’t explicitly stated in the Constitution.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 4:54 PM
This is why radicals knew that corrupting the educational system (starting with the Universities and working their way down to elementary ed.)in this country was the key to destroying this country.
txmomof6 on June 12, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Have a good one, DrSteve. Eat your veggies! Or else.
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 5:04 PM
indeed, they’d have to go back to school and learn what it means. Spend less time,killing time, wondering how to milk the system
oldernwiser on June 12, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Time for me to go also. Off to cook up a mess of beef chili followed by an adult beverage or two and a fine cigar.
oldernwiser on June 12, 2009 at 5:07 PM
You should feel the most chagrined of all, as your posts demonstrate the antithesis of empathy. However, you are also shameless.
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 5:07 PM
FIFY
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Working on the stats for how many Canadians come to the U.S. for health care each year. In the meantime, here is an article containing lots of stats to chew on regarding the failure of the Canadian health care system. Some of them touch on the self-pay issue.
aero on June 12, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Hey Lox. We missed you last night, you were late to the party.
Yes, our little southern one tooth is a doozy.
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Don’t Tase me with your stinger! Sexist!
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 5:10 PM
All we ask is that all Americans get the best healthcare, regardless of income.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Aint that the truth!
bazil9 on June 12, 2009 at 5:11 PM
The campaign is over, you can put this smear to rest.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:11 PM
I left you a response here.
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 5:12 PM
I don’t really care. The internet wasn’t mentioned in the Constitution yet I believe all Americans deserve access to high-speed broadband.
You can cry about it but change is coming.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:12 PM
bazil9 on June 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Are you for real?
bazil9 on June 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM
Sorry Lox- that was for SG not you.
bazil9 on June 12, 2009 at 5:15 PM
You might as well have been speaking in tongues. I couldn’t make out what you were all talking about. So, I just checked in once and watched you amusing yourselves.
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Das Party and Der Fuhrer will provide for all.
GarandFan on June 12, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Indeed, we create funds to ensure that rural places get wired. It’s not in the constitution, but it’s in the UNITED in United States.
mycowardice on June 12, 2009 at 5:17 PM
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Official Obama Bombthrower
txmomof6 on June 12, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Effective and efficient…. Not really (I will not even go into the Air Force comment by our less than stellar troll). As someone that is under the military healthcare system I can tell you that it is niether. It costs the government close to $50 billion to cover less than 2% of the population.
cobrakai99 on June 12, 2009 at 5:18 PM
No. I’m a figment of God’s imagination.
Drats!
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 5:19 PM
The reality is that there are tons of problem with the system in Canada. The bigger reality is that most people wouldn’t trade system with the States.
Some of it for fear I am sure (the US system is demonized, think Sicko and all), but some of it is because people actually do like the plan conceptually or generally.
Once you start going into the details, you can always find one or two (or ten or twenty) people that had a bad experience. But the vast majority of people would not want to switch to a US style plan.
mycowardice on June 12, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Wait! Wait! I haven’t gotten my communist attire yet!
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Conservatives believe there is nothing new under the sun. They oppose progress.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:24 PM
It went off the rails when MC brought out the Jameson, BB got home from his job tasting fermented grapes, and Lady hit her friend Jack, ccwda, he was talking about his girlfriend, and me, well, I was dead sober, but with this double ear infection not letting go, I’ve been like a blonde on too many margaritas for two weeks.
three pages of debauchery.
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Brownshirt. I think she’s got it strangled around her neck and she hasn’t had oxygen for a week. :)
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 5:26 PM
No, we just require facts, not fat politicians with nothing better to do with his time.
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 5:27 PM
I’m proud to be called a brownshirt on this issue.
If victory means that we have installed a public healthcare system or something close to it, I think I have done my duty for my country.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:28 PM
anyone notice they are cutting Medicare in the new Obamacare world?
Jed_Eckert on June 12, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Conservatives believe broadband and healthcare should not be provided to USA’s subjects because they are not explicitly called for in the Constitution.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:29 PM
I notice your knees buckled a bit on that one. I’ll try again. Do you feel all U.S. citizens will receive equal quality care, regardless of status? Will you be able to support it if that isn’t the case?
a capella on June 12, 2009 at 5:29 PM
*Snicker*
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 5:31 PM
We’re citizens, not subjects, stupid brownshirt.
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 5:32 PM
No I do not, because unfortunately money does buy access.
I will not support this aspect of it, but no system is perfect.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:32 PM
All we ask is that all Americans get the best healthcare, regardless of income.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:10 PM
.
“Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” I might have it wrong but this works for me. SG, “you”, want it to be the other way around. Go back to your TPM site.
Americannodash on June 12, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Yes. An Obama nickle.
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Conservatives believe broadband and healthcare should not be provided to USA’s citizens because they are not explicitly called for in the Constitution.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:33 PM
I don’t care.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:34 PM
I know. Even I am not that naive.
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 5:35 PM
That’s right.
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 5:35 PM
I guess she, being a foreigner and all, forgot that “We the People” are the rulers and the government is the subject.
txmomof6 on June 12, 2009 at 5:35 PM
I’m Israeli American. You win the prize.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:36 PM
And that’s why I’m not conservative. :)
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:37 PM
I’m done dealing with you. At least most of our trolls have a decent common knowledge and they love their country. Clearly, you are just a stupid, no good, waste of time and air. Live in your Utopia, one tooth.
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” I might have it wrong but this works for me. SG, “you”, want it to be the other way around.
Americannodash on June 12, 2009 at 5:32 PM
.
I don’t care.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:34 PM
.
I know. That’s what we all recognize about you
Americannodash on June 12, 2009 at 5:37 PM
You’re stupidity screams it.
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Being part of We the People is the prize IMHO
txmomof6 on June 12, 2009 at 5:38 PM
You’re proud that your head is leaking?
Word.
Depends.
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 5:38 PM
I was going away to get supper but found out I have to wait, came back to this and couldn’t restrain meself.
SG equates change with progress. All change is not progress just as all progress is not necessarily advancement.
Conservatives do not resist change, they embrace it but, it must also be progress. Obama was voted in on a promise of change just for the sake of change. Look what it has got us.
oldernwiser on June 12, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Let’s be realistic, the power has and always will be in the hands of the baby boomers.
They need insurance, and they don’t want to pay for it, they are retiring at a remarkable rate.
They figure, why not stick the younger with the bill, they (boomers) won’t be around but for 20 years…
America will have government paid for health care…sorry, but that is just how it will go.
I will fight it, but it will be in vain…
When you rob Peter to pay Paul, Paul never complains…
right2bright on June 12, 2009 at 5:39 PM
It sure is. Needless to say you will be woefully unprepared.
darwin on June 12, 2009 at 5:39 PM
So, throw in free housing for the homeless and food stamps, and I have ZERO incentive to work ever again.
AndrewK on June 12, 2009 at 5:41 PM
I don’t love my country; I find nationalism to be not my cup of tea.
However, unlike conservatives I actually love all the people that are in it, no exceptions.
Especially the 50 million who do not have health insurance.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:42 PM
You are not a conservative because, quite frankly, you aren’t smart enough….
Now aren’t you the one that thought the comment about raping a 14 year old is funny?
You will defend anything, to stay a liberal…accept any position to stay a liberal…and never understand that you are forced to embrace perverted ideas like it is okay to rape a 14 year old…hence you are a liberal.
right2bright on June 12, 2009 at 5:42 PM
right2bright on June 12, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Don’t be so sure. YOu are forgetting that they would be the most hurt by rationing. So they may think twice.
txmomof6 on June 12, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Get the hell out of my country. If you don’t care about the Constitution that made this the greatest nation on earth, you don’t deserve to be here. I say again, you have plenty of choices of countries where they already have the precious socialism you want. Go there and suffer under their miserable health care systems. Stop trying to flush the United States down that same toilet. We’re the last free country on earth, and we don’t want to live in slavery to you and your misguided socialistic ideals.
aero on June 12, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Yawn. That’s so 2003.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:45 PM
And you demonstrate this love of the HA folks by intentionally trying to drive up the collective blood pressure around here…riiiight
txmomof6 on June 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM
I think this says it all. And, you know what, regardless whether you love your country, there are men and women, on the front lines, defending your freedoms, so that you can be an ignorant, no account, waste of skin that does not deserve those freedoms. There are millions around the world that are waiting patiently, doing their paperwork, jumping through hoops, so that they can come to the land of oppurtunity and you say, you don’t love this country. That is fine, you are an obamanite, so that is a given. Just remember, despite your hate for this country, you still enjoy the freedoms and the protections that our military provides, so fart out of your mouth, you’ve been doing it all afternoon here, but I hope that one day, you will pull your head out of your ass and understand why this country is so great.
I’m truly done with you. Rot in your own personal hell.
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 5:48 PM
No, you don’t love the people in it. You know that, I know that. I also know you enjoy riling people up but when you do you let things shine through.
C’mon, we both know you don’t give a damn about “uninsured people”. You’re a true believer. To you, any means will justify the ends. History is full of people like you.
We know you, so stop saying you care because you really don’t. You’re afflicted with the same disease your compatriots have. Love of power, greed and of course love of oneself.
Stop trying to kid us, and yourself.
darwin on June 12, 2009 at 5:48 PM
How Christian of you.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:51 PM
Would you die for your country if you were asked to serve it?
canditaylor68 on June 12, 2009 at 5:51 PM
If I didn’t care about the 50 million uninsured I’d vote Republican, silly.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:52 PM
there you go again insulting the people and their motives because you disagree with them.
You are a despicable bit of elitist trash who doesn’t deserve the opportunities provided to you by this country or even this web site.
who the hell do you think you are to pass judgment on people you don’t even know? to insinuate that they don’t “love” or care about all the people in this country is to at the same time call them haters.
oldernwiser on June 12, 2009 at 5:52 PM
I serve my countrymen already by advocating and lobbying Congress for universal healthcare and other issues that I believe in.
One does not need to “die” to serve their fellow countrymen.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:53 PM
But … I though you loved everyone! Why aren’t you embracing HornetSting? Don’t you love him and have empathy for him?
darwin on June 12, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Your cup of tea is an Obamanation. You have no experience of love. You simply lust for pleasure and power.
Unless they disagree with you, and then you want to crush them into submission.
Who can serve as more acolytes to your idol.
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 5:53 PM
I am elitist because I love all Americans, no exceptions?
Mmkay…
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:53 PM
I hope this is worth it, AP. I’m sending you the bill.
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Can we all just stop acknowledging SG….. PERIOD!!!!!
txag92 on June 12, 2009 at 5:54 PM
As long as they have healthcare, I don’t care who they vote for.
SouthernGal on June 12, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Sanctimonious leftists are nothing new.
Smart man CS Lewis.
elduende on June 12, 2009 at 5:55 PM
So you wont feel offended by those of us who are advocating and lobbying Congress to work against your causes?
canditaylor68 on June 12, 2009 at 5:55 PM
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