Video: The Public Plan Deception
posted at 2:14 pm on June 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The guys at Verum Serum strike again with this new video of Democrats and their think-tank allies talking about the real goal of the “public plan” in ObamaCare, the new health plan getting rolled out in Congress this month. The White House says the plan will “keep private insurers honest,” but it seems the dishonesty comes from the Oval Office and Capitol Hill:
The people who designed this approach were very honest about it, as you can see in the above video. None of them talk about “keeping private insurers honest”; instead, they’re openly scornful of private insurance and want to rid us of them as soon as they are politically able to do so. The one couldn’t even bring himself to call the public plan a Trojan Horse, so obvious is its intent.
The entire premise of the public plan, as designed by its originators, was to crowd out the private insurers by undercutting them on price. After all, the government can take losses on the plan for as long as they need to drive everyone else out of the market. Once that process completes, voila! Single-payer remains as the only option.
Time to get on the phones and start telling your Senators and Congressment to vote no on the public plan. We will start next week on The Ed Morrissey Show. Get ready for some activism.
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capejasmine on June 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Did you ever think that you would see the day, where trillions of dollars were tossed about, like billions of dollars used to be?
OhEssYouCowboys on June 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM
I am decidely against giving away anything. With only 50% of the population actually paying income taxes, all Obama is doing is inviting people into a system who don’t contribute a dime. And these will be the people who will demand the most–because they will now be entitled to it.
BuckeyeSam on June 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Yes, please, me next! Me next! Take away my liberties, don’t allow me to choose my own healthcare! I want what so many other countries are dying to leave! Give me socialized healthcare. Tell me what kind of car to drive, tell me how much I can make if I make the mistake of being a success! Tell me what temperature my house should be, what food I eat, what kind of exercise I can do!
I know why the democrats want healthcare to be run by the government…..they’re not smart enough to make their own decisions.
Democrat: The other sheep meat.
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM
The Public Plan. Has a nice Gracchi brothers kinda ring to it. If this beauty passes my public plan is to run up the bills as much as possible.
Limerick on June 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Well, the Army and Marines have been saying that about the Air Farce and the Nav for years!
(USN Ret by the way… LOL)
Romeo13 on June 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM
I wonder if that’s what the UK’s national health system told all the women, when they told them their meds to help fight their breast cancer would no longer be paid for?
capejasmine on June 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM
The massive amounts of money being burned by phony lawsuits and illegal aliens are the reasons our hospitals in CA are closing. The answer is Tort reform- you bring a frivolous lawsuit and lose, you pay the court fees, and letting illegals know they can’t go to the ER for every cold, scratch, or headache they get and not have to pay a DIME! $400 million for health care to illegals in LA county in one year alone. $1 billion per year for all the other government programs these non-citizens enjoy.
NTWR on June 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM
I fear the day when we say that about trillions.
lorien1973 on June 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM
I’m just wondering who Obama will appoint the Death Czar.
John the Libertarian on June 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM
call your congressman. this is the biggie. as Reagan said: the time is now
kelley in virginia on June 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM
I’m going to butcher this, Ann, but the bottom line is that public healthcare will (in this order):
1. Lower the quality of our current healthcare
2. Be so expensive as to drive our economy further into serfdom
Do you like the quality of life you enjoy in these United States?
If so, drop what you’re doing for the public plan and just walk away.
Socialism is not the answer. David Crosby was wrong: we are not stardust and there is no garden to get back to.
/economics
bluelightbrigade on June 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM
The magic number “46 million uninsured” is a myth. That’s everyone including illegals who were w/o insurance for at least one day the past twelve months. The chronically uninsured can get Medicare/Medicaid already.
It’s beyond tragic that the dems can hoodwink anyone into believing that this is anything but a naked powergrab designed to cement them in power forever.
This will cause untold social upheaval if it passes.
Akzed on June 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM
The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Democrats believe that choice only comes at someone else’s expense. Republicans believe in freedom from coercion. Democrats believe that that’s unfair because individuals are unequal in ability, therefore freedom must be taken from the haves and redistributed by force to the have-nots.
JohnJ on June 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Kaiser doesn’t cater to hypochondriacs.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 2:25 PM
They expect stoicism, not eugenicism. You need a 12-step program to come down off the Obama Kool-Aid now.
kirkill on June 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM
If life in Caleefornia isn’t enough to wake you up to the dangers of SOCIALISM, perhaps you should take a trip to Canada. I believe the wait-listed people there will have a few things to tell you about this government control idea.
Bring tissue because it’s not a pretty story.
redwhiteblue on June 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM
It includes more than illegals though.
It includes people who don’t want to buy; are between insurance; etc etc etc.
The actual number is like 7-8 million or something.
lorien1973 on June 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM
You really dont see the irony in that statement do you?
javamartini on June 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM
I see the obama propagandists are out.
Hey Southerngal, et al, You and the hateful liberals still haven’t answered one thing… how is the government suppose to make healthcare better when they can even adequately manage the VA healthcare system.
Seems to me if you can’t manage only 10 million patients, what makes you thing the government can manage 250 million.
ThomasB. on June 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM
And the coroner might be able to use that tissue to identify the remains.
kirkill on June 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM
As Pro Life? He already has one… shes the head of Health and Human Services…
They’re just going to change the age at which they kill… get old folks into the group as well as the unborn.
Romeo13 on June 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM
The truth hurts. j/k (Grandfather was Marine, I was Army, father was Navy then ANG.)
coyoterex on June 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Want an example of a government run health program?
The Indian Health Service.
It sucks.
Blake on June 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM
If something needs to be lied about in order to pass, it isn’t a good bill.
It shouldn’t be hard to understand.
lorien1973 on June 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM
I know. This is like amputating an arm for a hangnail.
Akzed on June 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM
and after you call your congressman (for today–there is tomorrow’s call to plan for), tell a woman:
the new nationalized healthcare will put us in the league with the other socialized medicine nations which have much higher mortality rates for breast cancer.
every woman knows someone who has had breast cancer. this fear strikes at home.
kelley in virginia on June 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM
I nominate AnninCA. She seems to be so adept at choices, and consequences.
.
capejasmine on June 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM
I voted McCain/Palin. Granted, I was voting in a blue state, so it was a throw-away vote.
I never agreed with John on medical benefits. I don’t agree with the GOP line on this, and I think you’re going to lose the working middle-class over this issue.
I’m quite serious about that.
They are getting killed without insurance options, and the GOP is not offering realistic rhetoric on this issue.
On the stimulus bill and the budget……I’m with you! On NSA……I’m with you!
Not on this.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Anyone here ever read The Giver?
If you haven’t your kids probably have…and YOU should.
bluelightbrigade on June 12, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Anna, you are one of the pod people now. enjoy your kool aide. now just shuffle off to the kos site and rejoice with the other zombies that hate america.
Ghoul aid on June 12, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Because private insurance companies compete for your business. You can choose your coverage and they obligated by law to honor the plan.
If private insurers are priced out of existence — which would happen if everyone is automatically covered by Government Care — we will have no say in what is covered and what isn’t.
Q: May I have treatment for a broken bone sustained in an auto accident?
A: Sorry, we’re running trillion dollar deficits. And just to make sure you don’t come crawling to us again we’re taking your car.
Q: I have a brain tumor. May I take advantage of the latest medical breakthroughs?
A: There are no more breakthroughs. All research has been stopped due to budget cuts. Go die.
Q: My God, don’t you people understand the healthcare needs of the People?
A: No. We’re beaurocrats.
Q: Well then I’m taking my business somewhere else.
A: BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Tuning Spork on June 12, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Thank you for your service. As a 24 yr military spouse, military healthcare for retirees “sucks” IMHO. Sometimes you are better off paying out of your own pocket. Hurry up and wait you know. But its better than nothing,esp now that they are going to penalize the uninsured for being uninsured…/sarc
canditaylor68 on June 12, 2009 at 2:48 PM
I can think of an example although it’s not quite what you are asking for.
During the run up to WWI the federal government decided that private steel companies were charging them too much for steel to be used to build warships, so they decided to build their own steel plant. Three years after WWI was over they finally completed their federal government steel mill. It cost them twice as much to produce steel but, at least back then, they had enough sense to close the plant.
The more involvement the politicians have in pretty much anything the higher the price and the lower the quality. It is in their nature.
MB4 on June 12, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Scary.
SouthernGent on June 12, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Remember those $500 U.S. government toilet seats? Wait until you see the cost of U.S. government bed pans.
Limerick on June 12, 2009 at 2:49 PM
I wish people would learn the facts before commenting here. Talk to people who work in healthcare you will hear same story over and over. Costs are skyrocketing because of illegals without ins, Law states Hospitals must treat so they recoup losses from patients who have ins, they are a business after all. Furthermore many Canadian Drs and nurses work here to get fair pay.Also because they can`t stand the horrible healthcare up there.
LSUMama on June 12, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Obama is 1/2 right on the problem. At least, part of the problem.
Employer based insurance does drive up the costs. But it’s because it takes away the competition between insurance companies.
Beyond that he’s totally wrong.
lorien1973 on June 12, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Nice. Could be “Reaper Czar”, “Eugenics Czar”, “Abortion Czar”, “Bring out your dead Czars Czar”, “Pusher Czar – opposite of the Drug Czar we have now”…etc.
kirkill on June 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM
I simply want to see a public option for those people in-between jobs, switching jobs, pre-existing conditions, etc.
It won’t be free. I’d like to see all the inefficient programs that serve the public now that are so confusing go away.
I’m big on simplifying to save money. It’s nearly always delivery that ends up costing a bundle.
It won’t be free.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Repost, in case you missed it last page….
You have Kaiser, and you like Kaiser…
My kids have Kaiser, under the X wifes coverage (I pay, her plan).
I am on Champus Prime, a government run health care system for Retired Military folks.
My kids get seen sooner. They have a MUCH larger choice of Doctors. The go to a brand new Hospital, I go to a 40 year old VA Hospital, with much longer lines. They get more tests, more easily.
I can call and get an immediate consult for them… for me? I have to see my doctor, who calls Champus, who call the VA… who then gets back to me to make an appointment.
You have NO idea what you are working towards… you will get it, and then complain bitterly.
Any response?
Romeo13 on June 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Look at my state of Massachusetts and how well that has worked out (not) to find your writing on the wall for the future of government health care for all. Amazing how people ignore the cost of dealing with the devil.
Miss Molly on June 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM
The day I waste my time talking to Bernie Sanders and Pat Lahey…. Well, I don’t know what… My point is only that it’s a waste.
RightWinged on June 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Akzed on June 12, 2009 at 2:26 PM
You beat me to it.
Anninca, go back and read the stimulus plan about how they plan to deny treatment to the elderly so they’ll die off quicker. Probably doesn’t affect you now, but it will – and the cutoff point will be younger and younger until they are killing both the elderly and the unborn/newly born – proving the govt can burn the candle at both ends.
BTW: You said the govt plan will be “big on prevention?” What planet do you live on? Stop drinking the kool-aid… please.
Mr_Magoo on June 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM
…Errr….what now?
Okay, official disclaimer: I’ve never been in the military. I’m going to throw that right out. Yes, I’ve had relatives in the army, as well as close friends.
Let’s not confuse the brave soldiers with the institution that is our military.
Can anyone really tell me that the VA is really efficient? And effective? Maybe I’m lumping in two different organizations–I’ll admit if that’s a mistake–but I recall my vet friends just dreading to have to do anything with the VA.
To compare: with the Somalia pirate situation a few months back. I know, if we didn’t have our brave boys’ hands tied, those pirates would have been shark chum within hours of the situation. Quick, clean, efficient. But….no. Bureaucracy calls, and the upper ups need to make calls and clearance and make sure it’s fine and dandy before a single shot is fired.
I mean, seriously: do you think our progress in Iraq would have been nearly as drawn out if there wasn’t the hills upon hills of red tape that exists within the brass? We’ve made good and steady progress…but when our soldier’s need to get a nod and okay before pursuing a insurgent into a Mosque, or have to worry about some frivolous lawsuit….let’s not assume that the US Military falls into the “efficient” realm. (I would say, though, that it’s quite effective…)
Let’s not confuse the pencil pushers with those who actually risk their physical lives; let’s not confuse the paper suits with the true fighting force.
CatsGodot on June 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM
You’re right. It won’t be.
And it’ll cost you a lot more than a tax dollars.
lorien1973 on June 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Too many people are unwilling to face consequences of their own choices and want miracles.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 2:31 PM
So let the government make choices for everyone because you don’t agree with the choices some people make. Great.
ohio kat on June 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM
There is a reason that Canadians come here (and India and Thailand etc) for critical medical care. What is it, Ann? And what about those who can’t afford to travel 7,000 miles for colon surgery, Ann? Are they just supposed to die, stoically?
Akzed on June 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM
It WILL be free to those on it… only the Taxpayer will get the bill…
Or at least the 52% of working folks who still actualy pay Income tax.
Romeo13 on June 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM
You are correct, Sir!
So was Abraham Lincoln when he said…
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.
redwhiteblue on June 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM
“realistic rhetoric”?
Does, “This idea, if put into practice, is unsustainable” not sound realistic enough?
&& Californian are in no position to tell the rest of us about universal anything.
bluelightbrigade on June 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM
I am a new physician trying to build a practice, and I work with the government payor plans that we already have, Medicare and Medicaid. Both of them already have such low reimbursement that if I had to accept those rates for all of my patients, I’d never be able to pay off my student loans. The current Kennedy proposal allows for a 10% increase in reimbursements over the Medicare fee schedule for the newly proposed government plan. That won’t do me much good since that would still leave my costs per patient higher than compensation. If this goes through, I will regret the past 13 years of school I suffered to finally get to this point. The private insurance industry is no picnic, but I’d much prefer to tangle with them.
DoctorJ on June 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Sounds like a bad delivery system.
I’d like to see you have a public option that works better for the same money.
Seriously.
I’ve never gotten the military stuff. They do some stuff SO well. And then the chronic care/regular stuff?
Seems to not work at all.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 2:52 PM
What about malpractice? Do you think we could simplify the Judicial system? Maybe loser-pays?
That’s where you start, not by destroying Doctors.
kirkill on June 12, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Google is your friend.
MB4 on June 12, 2009 at 2:52 PM
If the public option is so great; why do they have to lie about it?
lorien1973 on June 12, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Right, so let’s put politicians in the middle of all this. They’re notorious hardcases, all of them.
You want to live your life as a supplicant before the government? I really pity you.
DrSteve on June 12, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Then you and anyone else who thinks like you can donate to a fund specifically for that purpose. Leave the government out of it.
darwin on June 12, 2009 at 2:53 PM
I like the answer, but do you want their health care?
Random thoughts:
Whatever plan they pass, make it law that Congress be subject to it as well.
I demand that Body Mass Index(BMI) become a factor in income tax payment.
Get your fat asses in shape and drive down your own medical costs. Course if its free, why take care of yourself?
redshirt on June 12, 2009 at 2:53 PM
anninca: what are you going to do when it is your spouse, parent or child who needs emergency surgery or extraordinary medical care & the government says “nope, we’re not running that special in your hometown today, ann”.
yes, that is fearmongering. but it is true.
kelley in virginia on June 12, 2009 at 2:53 PM
My question is: If they stop paying for hypochondriacs, how are they going to remove all those democrats from obama’s ass? I mean, they are all up there, cheering him, whooping it up, and then oops, they can’t breathe.
Democrats love taxes, because they don’t pay theirs!
Democrats love no choice, because they don’t have enough intelligence to make their own decisions.
AnninCa has taken over this thread, that is great. Just like real life, we spend most of our time fighting stupidity.
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 2:54 PM
I’m also convinced the current costs tax-wise are simply hidden.
It costs us a bundle right now to handle things tax-wise with the current system.
Public health care is already costing a fortune. I am, remember, totally in favor of MANDATED insurance.
That’s the trade-off.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Sigh, Champus Prime is NOT run by the military… the VA is NOT run by the military, they are seperate from the DOD.
If you don’t even know this little thing… about how the basics of how our Federal Government works, how do you feel qualified to make decisions on somthing as complicated as healthcare for the entire nation?
Romeo13 on June 12, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Question for you…when you, family or friends get denied the treatment of your choice will you be for it then? I am not against making sure people have the best treatment possible, but nationalized healthcare is not the answer. And, we already have so many flawed government agencies. Why don’t we focus on getting those fixed before creating another flawed agency?
truetexan on June 12, 2009 at 2:54 PM
No, they cater to themselves, rather than to patients, just as the government employees will do once they hold the power in deciding who gets cared for. The list of horror stories regarding Kaiser is almost infinite.
Here’s a link to Dr. Death Patel.
NTWR on June 12, 2009 at 2:55 PM
I’m not sure if this has been said, but the elderly are typically less healthy than those that aere younger. There is a higher incidence of cancer, diabetes, hip replacements, … They form somewhat of a test block for new procedures. They often get the new technology that eventually permiates it way to the general populace. The 25 yo that isn’t in a wheelchair because of that knee / hip replacement can thank our grandparents.
Jed_Eckert on June 12, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Seriously though, Ann and SouthernGal, why can’t Orszag and Obama take all these great cost-saving ideas and try them on Medicare and Medicaid first?
I’m in favor of some form of health care reform, but I don’t believe for a second that the public option isn’t the thin end of the wedge. Obama lied about it during the campaign and he’s lying about it now.
DrSteve on June 12, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Just a citizen here. Gee, Romeo. I’m just a girl over here. I don’t know zip about military stuff.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Another instructive posts that reminds everyone:
You are chattel that needs to be controlled and regulated; because the choices you make will be foolish.
lorien1973 on June 12, 2009 at 2:56 PM
You know, I’m really tired of hearing mishy mashy, half-baked thoughts from you, Anninca. It’s like you just spit ball random thoughts on here, like throwing sh*t against the wall to see what sticks. You go ahead and allow the government to tell you what to do. It sounds like you need someone to help you remember when to breathe.
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 2:57 PM
also, annica: if the fearmongering isn’t enough to convince you, think of this: i just heard where a young woman is having her 5th child. the 1st 4 children were taken away by social services (we’re paying for their healthcare & everything else) so she’s having another so we can take care of it.
until these people have to care for themselves, we’ll be taking care of them, cradle to grave.
kelley in virginia on June 12, 2009 at 2:57 PM
From Hugh Hewitt’s interview yesterday with Mark Steyn (emphasis mine):
Yea, that’ll work. But I’m sure the US govt plan won’t be like THAT.
Mr_Magoo on June 12, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Hornet…..fair comment.
I warned you guys, I have loads of opinions on this.
But I’ll bow out and let you guys retake the thread.
But thanks to all who exchanged.
It was fun for me.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 2:58 PM
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 2:57 PM
and how to wipe her ass.
Ghoul aid on June 12, 2009 at 2:59 PM
So shoot me. I LIKE the public plan option.
In fact, I’m actively working for it.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Great news. What you get is a waiting list – not healthcare.
Please take a number.
The Obamacare idiots can’t make us work and many docs in the 50′s or older who can retire will do so.
Enjoy your 10 month wait to see and OB/GYN for your pregnancy. Midwife anyone??
txdoc on June 12, 2009 at 3:00 PM
You’re using this to rationalize a government program? Simplifying to save money? More efficient delivery of services? lol.
a capella on June 12, 2009 at 3:01 PM
OK! Let us say that tomorrow we have no more private insurance. (’cause that’s where this is headed) Let us say that no one is paying any health care premiums any more. There are no more health insurance agents or staff or offices. There are no more lawyers specializing in sueing doctors and hospitals. No more medical students because doctoring and nursing does not pay enough for the work needed to be done. No more medical advances because there is no money to invest in research.
You get the idea. How are we better off?
Vince on June 12, 2009 at 3:02 PM
No, Anninca, just try to use rational thought before making a comment…….oh wait, you’re a liberal. Yeah, just go away.
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM
I’d be inclined to agree with you until I remembered the outpatient treatment scandal at Walter Reed.
Not the best of examples…
Shock the Monkey on June 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Ewwww* It’s harder than I thought!
*sitting on my fingers over here*
:)
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM
And you really don’t think that politicians will be part of the single payer system, do you anninca? They will no doubt keep their own premium plan. And celebs will fly off to wherever to get their healthcare needs. The rest of us shlubs will be left holding our colostomy bags…
Mr_Magoo on June 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Not to be nit-picky, but that quote is William J.H. Boetcker, not Lincoln.
NTWR on June 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Oh Lord and Master Obama, won’t you at least buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
The uptown folks drive Porsches, they must make amends.
Worked hard watching Oprah most of my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So Lord and Master Obama, won’t you at least buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
Oh Lord and Master Obama, won’t you buy me a health care plan?
Working to pay for it myself is too hard on me.
I want to get prescription drugs and a doctor for free!
So Lord and Master Obama, won’t you buy me a health care plan ?
Oh Lord and Master Obama, won’t you buy me a retirement on the town ?
Prove that you’ll take care of me and buy my next round.
Oh Lord and Master Obama, won’t you buy me that big house down the block that I found?
I’m counting on you, Lord and Master Obama, please don’t let me down.
- JJ
Just say no to Fuhrer Barackito Obamalini’s Obama/Kevorkian care!
MB4 on June 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM
This is just the latest scheme by Obama and his backers to devolve American Exceptionalism into Democratic Socialism Mediocrity. Except, in this case, the Government will be able to make life and death decisions regarding peoples’ lives.
kingsjester on June 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM
I see southerngal, one tooth, has left the building. I guess she’s still trying to find one more entity that has been run by the government that has been a success. We’ll probably see her sometime around 2012, but it won’t matter, because by then, 2010 would have come and the white guilt/historic moment/idiots out voting nightmare will be over and we will have our country back and Ronnie’s shining beacon on the hill will be restored. By conservatives!
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Liar in Chief.
jdflorida on June 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM
No please stay and defend your position. or perhaps you have no defense…
Mr_Magoo on June 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Ding, ding, ding!!!! And Ann gets a soy cookie as well. What delivery system is she referring to? THE U.S. GOVERNMENT!
aero on June 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM
You sit on your fingers often, don’t you, Anninca?
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Much of the world comes to the U.S. for adavnced medical care. Where are we gonna go now? I can just hear the new age Dr’s now saying: You’ve lived long enough, time to make room for some new blood. MEDICATION DENIED!
faol on June 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM
You sit on your fingers often, don’t you, Anninca?
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Alright. You owe me a monitor. Where’s the Windex?
kingsjester on June 12, 2009 at 3:08 PM
bazil9 on June 12, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Sorry.
HornetSting on June 12, 2009 at 3:09 PM
I say this is too big a concept to do all at once. Let’s start with a pilot program that would put all elected officals from the filthy liar in the White House on down into a five year study to determine if this kind of health coverage is feasible.
highhopes on June 12, 2009 at 3:09 PM
I’m going to stick to the decision to let this go today, although I have a lot more to say. It’s really not important. It’ll be what it’ll be.
BUT…I will reply to your nasty, sexist post.
That type of junk isn’t OK.
It’s gross. It’s sexist. It’s rude. It’s snarky.
And it’s just plain wrong.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 3:10 PM
It’s gross. It’s sexist. It’s rude. It’s snarky.
And it’s just plain wrong.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 3:10 PM
yeah, that david leterman is a real prince.
Ghoul aid on June 12, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Except when it comes to a public plan, at which points the Republicans are first to jump in front of everyone that actually wants such a plan.
mycowardice on June 12, 2009 at 3:12 PM
You wish. Eventually some sort of hybrid between Canada and Britain will emerge. Sure, everyone will be insured. It’ll be a great system as long as you never need to use it for anything. You’re horrible Kaiser system will seem like a treat compared to what’s coming down the pike. You know what, it’ll almost be worth it to see what the backlash against the liberals is going to be when this thing gets going.
eyedoc on June 12, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Ann, just a suggestion….
Try using some actual facts when debating an issue
bazil9 on June 12, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Me too, but I fear that we would be replacing it with a much less efficient program that is run by an entity that won’t concern itself with cost overruns and which will simply make up the difference by dipping further into our pockets. I don’t want the people responsible for Medicare to run a national health insurance system. What comes after trillion?
(Besides default, I mean…)
Tonus on June 12, 2009 at 3:13 PM
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