Video: The Public Plan Deception

posted at 2:14 pm on June 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The guys at Verum Serum strike again with this new video of Democrats and their think-tank allies talking about the real goal of the “public plan” in ObamaCare, the new health plan getting rolled out in Congress this month.  The White House says the plan will “keep private insurers honest,” but it seems the dishonesty comes from the Oval Office and Capitol Hill:

The people who designed this approach were very honest about it, as you can see in the above video.  None of them talk about “keeping private insurers honest”; instead, they’re openly scornful of private insurance and want to rid us of them as soon as they are politically able to do so.  The one couldn’t even bring himself to call the public plan a Trojan Horse, so obvious is its intent.

The entire premise of the public plan, as designed by its originators, was to crowd out the private insurers by undercutting them on price.  After all, the government can take losses on the plan for as long as they need to drive everyone else out of the market.  Once that process completes, voila! Single-payer remains as the only option.

Time to get on the phones and start telling your Senators and Congressment to vote no on the public plan.  We will start next week on The Ed Morrissey Show.  Get ready for some activism.


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mycowardice on June 12, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Hey buddy, where’d you go? Did Soros make you clock out at midnight?

Laura in Maryland on June 13, 2009 at 12:11 AM

Hey buddy, where’d you go? Did Soros make you clock out at midnight?

Laura in Maryland on June 13, 2009 at 12:11 AM

My computer turned into a pumpkin!

mycowardice on June 13, 2009 at 12:16 AM

mycowardice on June 13, 2009 at 12:16 AM

+1

Now about that European higher ed plan…

Laura in Maryland on June 13, 2009 at 12:18 AM

Not sure if it has been said yet or not, but tort reform would probably be more effective at making insurance affordable than having the government run it.

coyoterex on June 13, 2009 at 12:03 AM

Well we wont need tort reform when we have government healthcare. You CANT sue the government.
So when the government doctor amputates the wrong body part and you try to sue you will recieve the following “compensation”
1. an OBAMA bumper sticker for your new GM (Government Motors) golf cart….I mean car.
2. A collectors box set of movies. Hand selected by someone in the white house (wrong region code of course).
3. A collectors edition OBAMA Ipod pre-loaded with all of his speeches.
4. A copy of “The Audacity of Hope”
Hey if it’s good enough for heads of state…. who the hell are you to complain?……NEXT

Paco on June 13, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Okay, slick let’s do education like they do in other countries. I would love to see my kids get a free education, but would the dems settle for a MERIT system that only takes a limited number of university students and turns the rest away?

Dumbs Dems would never set aside “diversity” to set up a European style higher education system. They keep harping about EVERY child attending college. What nonsense! We need every child EDUCATED (vocational training, reading, math, and history). The last thing this country needs is more undereducated, debt-laden philosophy majors. If the liberals wouldn’t interfere, some of the dead wood could be cleared to make room for the smart kids.

Laura in Maryland on June 13, 2009 at 12:09 AM

Are you serious? You should see all the European kids studying and studying for years and years… Plus everyone can get in universities over there (which makes a lot of them really underfunded because they have WAY too many students).

Which developed country are you thinking of?

mycowardice on June 13, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Paco on June 13, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Still think I would prefer to see John Edwards lose business.

coyoterex on June 13, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Of course we could also address the education problem by making it more affordable like they do in most other developed country in the world.

mycowardice on June 12, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Affordability of the education is only one factor influencing the supply of doctors. If Congress enacted universal coverage tomorrow and all of the uninsured immediately had coverage. Where are you going to get the doctors to treat them? Many have already been treated in county hospitals, but now that they have insurance they won’t be satisfied with that level of care they will demand a higher level. Even if you made medical school free and opened up huge numbers of slots, it still takes a minimum of SEVEN years to get a person through med school and a short 3 year residency. So what happens to supply and demand for the next SEVEN years? Can you say foreign doctors?

txmomof6 on June 13, 2009 at 12:21 AM

Affordability of the education is only one factor influencing the supply of doctors. If Congress enacted universal coverage tomorrow and all of the uninsured immediately had coverage. Where are you going to get the doctors to treat them? Many have already been treated in county hospitals, but now that they have insurance they won’t be satisfied with that level of care they will demand a higher level. Even if you made medical school free and opened up huge numbers of slots, it still takes a minimum of SEVEN years to get a person through med school and a short 3 year residency. So what happens to supply and demand for the next SEVEN years? Can you say foreign doctors?

txmomof6 on June 13, 2009 at 12:21 AM

Ok so let me get this right. You are saying that a large enough segment of our population is so poorly treated that if we add them to the system the whole thing will collapse?

If what you are saying is true (and it might be), a solution could be to only do a health care plan in phases to allow the system to accomodate for the influx of people.

That’s an interesting problem and question by the way, but I am not sure the solution to this is NOT covering them.

mycowardice on June 13, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Still think I would prefer to see John Edwards lose business.

coyoterex on June 13, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Oh I agree. However the joke will still be on us. Having completed at least one full term in congress. Mr. Edwards will still get the best healthcare “our” money can buy…

Paco on June 13, 2009 at 12:27 AM

should have added ….for the rest of his life.

Paco on June 13, 2009 at 12:28 AM

Which developed country are you thinking of?

mycowardice on June 13, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Sweden and Germany come to mind. It has been MANY years, but students had to test into the universities, and those that didn’t make it, didn’t make it. Kids were put on a track fairly early for vocation (no stigma) or univeristy.

What amazed me were the vocation kids who were fluent in English, knew world history, and were lined up for CAREERS.

That is a far cry from the US where most of the kids who are in college would not meet the criteria to graduate from a European high school (or equivalent).

Laura in Maryland on June 13, 2009 at 12:31 AM

Ok now I am really signing out.

Got to send my nightly report to Soros :).

mycowardice on June 13, 2009 at 12:33 AM

No I am not saying a large enough segment of our population is poorly treated. On the contrary, I think we have the best healthcare system in the world. Remember the conjoined twins from the Middle East a few years ago that came to be separated for free in Dallas? There is a difference between healthcare and health insurance coverage. Everyone can get care, it just may be at the county hospital or wherever Medicaid is accepted.
However, I am also saying that there is currently a shortage of doctors and nurses in certain specialties and certain geographical locations and a government takeover will greatly exacerbate the shortage for multiple reasons, not the least of which is that doctors don’t want to be forced to work for free or to be told how to practice medicine by some 9-5 bureaucrat who doesn’t have a clue.

txmomof6 on June 13, 2009 at 12:38 AM

Got to send my nightly report to Soros :).

mycowardice on June 13, 2009 at 12:33 AM

Hey at least she’s “honest”.

Annietxgrl on June 13, 2009 at 12:40 AM

txmomof6 on June 13, 2009 at 12:38 AM

I’m with you. My crystal ball says that most docs over 55 will retire immediately if Obamacare comes to pass. Highly skilled professionals don’t want to work for peanuts and have Bawney and Co. tell them how to do their jobs.

Laura in Maryland on June 13, 2009 at 12:44 AM

You think she’s a she? I thought he was a he. Oh well, Good night.

txmomof6 on June 13, 2009 at 12:45 AM

Equally poor healthcare.

Johan Klaus on June 13, 2009 at 1:11 AM

Why won’t they fix Medicare first? Because the corrupt socialists Pelosi, Obama, and Bawney Fwank don’t care about healthcare they care about power. They are going to make healthcare decisions for you because they cherish power. Everything the government has ever touched has turned to shit.

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 1:34 AM

I have a few ideas for Obama before he tackles his health care reform:

A Fraud Czar: The present Medicare/Medicade programs are victim to billions of dollars in fraud every year. Let’s address that and apply the savings toward helping people who truly cannot afford coverage. And let’s address it before we even think of more government programs which will be subject to the same fraud, only this time on a larger scale.

A Paperwork Czar: I believe that the number of people in the health care industry pushing paperwork is now close to, or even more than, the people actually providing medical services. How can we simplify the process? How can we get back to the majority of our healthcare dollars being spent to actually provide healthcare? And does anyone with a brain think that national healthcare will not result in a huge increase in government workers? More political sway and votes for the status quo if if it’s horrendous? 1 in 6 people in this country receive their paychecks from government now, are we trying for 2 in 6?

Sorry, I’ll shut up now.

oldoldbabs on June 13, 2009 at 1:41 AM

oldoldbabs on June 13, 2009 at 1:41 AM

Careful. Obama’s next Czar is the Duct Tape Czar and he’s coming for you!

Laura in Maryland on June 13, 2009 at 1:52 AM

I am a new physician trying to build a practice, and I work with the government payor plans that we already have, Medicare and Medicaid. Both of them already have such low reimbursement that if I had to accept those rates for all of my patients, I’d never be able to pay off my student loans. The current Kennedy proposal allows for a 10% increase in reimbursements over the Medicare fee schedule for the newly proposed government plan. That won’t do me much good since that would still leave my costs per patient higher than compensation. If this goes through, I will regret the past 13 years of school I suffered to finally get to this point. The private insurance industry is no picnic, but I’d much prefer to tangle with them.

DoctorJ on June 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM

I know a doctor who came from Canada all the way down to Mississippi to escape the medical system there. He was always amazed that he could send a patient to get a CAT scan, and they would have an appointment within a couple of days. He said nothing ever got done that quickly in Canada.

I also well remember when our hospital stopped doing cataract surgery. Seems most of them were being paid by Medicare, and they had just passed rules cutting the compensation down to next to nothing. In other words, they couldn’t get paid enough to cover expenses.

And this was in a town with two hospitals battling for market share. The last thing either hospital wanted to do was to back out of an area of medical care and let the other hospital do it.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on June 13, 2009 at 2:10 AM

Just a side note I also know two DRs who just closed their practices to go work in ER. The reasons were twofold ,one their taxes were going up because they run a small business and after overhead it was`nt worth it . Two the cost of getting all files online for the paperless medical files will be high according to them.Not to mention the possible problems of privacy issues they forsee with the internet.

LSUMama on June 13, 2009 at 2:46 AM

Most likely scenario:

Gummint institutes public plan that underpays for mandated services, just like it does with Medicare (see, they ‘keep costs down’ by just refusing to pay what things actually cost).

Real costs get shifted to people NOT on the public plan (like they are already, but now on a much greater scale). Cost of private insurance plans then continue to rise, and then, soon, you can’t find private insurance you can afford anywhere.

Then it’s welcome to the collective, Brother.

All this faith in government is completely unwarranted, just Pollyannic wishful dreaming that’s gonna blow up in your face, Socialized Medicine Lovers. And there will be a three-year waiting list for face replacement, so have fun.

snickelfritz on June 13, 2009 at 7:41 AM

The White House says the plan will “keep private insurers honest,” but it seems the dishonesty comes from the Oval Office and Capitol Hill.

Obama’s half-truths and misrepresentations on his health plan are shocking. But then again, what would we expect from an Alinsky community organizer.

Get the gubmit off my back and out of my life.

petefrt on June 13, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Stupid strike button.

Pass the coffee, please.

petefrt on June 13, 2009 at 8:32 AM

petefrt on June 13, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Folgers okay?

blatantblue on June 13, 2009 at 8:47 AM

So obama is going to cut the hell out of Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement to hospitals and providers by nearly 400 billion AND raise another 700 billion in taxes AND totally and completely wreck our health care system…all so 15% of the population can have free health insurance. Sounds like a really great idea! Fk the other 85% …you’ll fall in line with socialized Obamacare when the government run crap outbids and thus drives private care out of the market entirely. Then EVERYONE will be equal and EVERYONE will have Obamacare! It’ll be so great. Shortages of providers, long long waiting lists, cuts in basic care, denials of basic care, preventative care, medicines, etc…death. Its a Socialist utopia!

Jackson1227 on June 13, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Obama is a very EVIL man! Enouogh said.

Conservative Lady on June 13, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Hmm, I’m thinking of writing a book titled, “The Obama Presidency, A History of Disastrous Ideology, Errors, Flubs,and Naïveté,” but it’s already 1000 pages long. Do you think a 50,000 page anthology could be a best seller?

Nalea on June 13, 2009 at 12:13 PM

I am sorry but the big guns in the insurance industry bought this on to themselves – now, they are more than ready to negotiate with Obama – their plan and Obama’s plan are the same – to never allow other small and medium sized insurance companies compete and to finally essentially destroy them.

Hence all the nonsensical legislation demanding either an insurance plan with all bells and whistles or none at all – something that small and medium sized employers are faced with every day – when the small insurance companies are decimated, who will the employer turn to ?

Yesterday i heard the absolutely horrible story of a colleague who bought his pregnant wife from his home country, only to find that his health insurance plan is not going to cover the delivery costs for his wife – he shelled out 35K – both his wife and his baby were charged for staying in the hospital for about 2 days and 2 nights.

“Pre-existing” conditions have been taken to a really gross level and this has what lead people to back the public option plan EVEN THOUGH this “plan” will be markedly worse in the long run.

And also,why is any one here surprised by Obama’s slithery snake behavior – he has always been successful at posing as a moderate even while remaining an ardent liberal.

Michael Jackson should reshoot the “Smooth Criminal” video in the Oval Office with Obama flashing one of his toothy smiles.

nagee76 on June 13, 2009 at 12:17 PM

I’m late to the conversation so I apologize if this has been brought up, but as a general surgeon who pays 80k in medical malpractice insurance yearly, I can’t help but wonder why The One’s plan to ‘save’ the healthcare system does not even remotely mention tort reform to reign in the billions wasted by sleazebag ambulance chasers…………..

Perhaps these same sleazebags are the ones making up the plan in the first place………

Paul Revere on June 13, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Paul Revere on June 13, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Perhaps because most politicians are lawyers?

coyoterex on June 13, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Paul Revere on June 13, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Perhaps because most politicians are lawyers?

coyoterex on June 13, 2009 at 12:27 PM

My apology for leaving out the sarc tag. I get it…..I also comment to infrequently to try to figure out how to use the commenting system correctly

Paul Revere on June 13, 2009 at 12:41 PM

*too

/no excuse for my spelling problem though, lol

Paul Revere on June 13, 2009 at 12:42 PM

See the Tides.org banner behind the speaker? That is the Tides Foundation, the same ones that paid back the money that Dale Rathke (Wade’s brother) stole from Acorn.

Yeah, let Acorn and these left-wing organizations run healthcare, and healthcare will end up like the housing market.

NO OBAMACARE!

njpat on June 13, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Why can’t they be HONEST about what they want?

Why, when they get together at these think tank discussions can they say what they REALLY MEAN and then when they try to sell their plan to the American public they feel COMPELLED to lie about what their true intentions are?

Fine that the trolls here want to keep harping on the supposed ‘benefits’ or ‘superiority’ of the single payer system – that wasn’t really the point of the thread, now was it?

Why can’t your leaders be HONEST about this?

manofaiki on June 13, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Ace at Ace of Spades points out the end-game for the elderly in a socialized system:

http://minx.cc/?post=288505

Kill the Old

Anyone with half a brain and an eye to what’s happened elsewhere around the world knows the endgame of universal coveragesocialized medicine: not just shitty, third-world standards of care and the end of drug development, well, forever but rationing — the denial of care to those the government bureaucracy decides would cost more to treat than they’re worth.

And this means, most of all, seniors — you know, the huge voting bloc whose already government-subsidized treatments get more and more expensive as the time they have left gets shorter and shorter.

Now it’s unsurprising to me that Kaus has spotted the Journolist zombies’ foundation-laying for this kill-the-boomers endgame. What did surprise me was finding it in the very first draft of ZeroCare:

Health-care overhaul legislation being drafted by House Democrats will include $600 billion in tax increases and $400 billion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid, Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel said.

And this is, of course, the preliminary lowballing.

What’s the AARP up to these days, I wonder?

Hey trolls – you think WE’RE being nasty in our assessments of your precious socialized system?

Just wait ’til the AARP gets on this.

Ever see a truly and honestly pissed off elderly person?

manofaiki on June 13, 2009 at 4:19 PM

This is what Jacob Hacker has to say about how to reform healthcare. The mistake he’s talking about is that Clinton didn’t get this through. This clown was born in 71 and his degrees are in political science….
“Reformers shouldn’t make the same mistake this time around. Freed from the strictures of short-term budget balance, they can instead do what all other countries did when creating their national health programs: buy off the opposition. Britain’s health minister was once asked how he had gotten doctors on board for the National Health Service. His reply: “I stuffed their mouths with gold.” Money may not change everything, but it does make it easier to win friends, or at least divide and placate them.”
http://ideas.berkeleylawblogs.org/2009/01/13/a-healthy-economy-medicine-is-the-best-stimulus/

njpat on June 13, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Don’t count on AARP…they are in the tank for Obama…but they shouldn’t be. Another quote from Jacob Hacker who has to be the one that came up with this awful plan…”And the faster” we get people in the government plan “the better situated we are to start the difficult but essential task of controlling long-term health spending.”

Don’t get old folks…..cause they’ll be no healthcare for ya.

njpat on June 13, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Oh….and this Jacob Hacker, belongs to the Tides Foundation and not only do they have ties to Acorn, they have ties to the Daily Kos….which is where the trolls are getting paid from. The unions pay bloggerpower.org, who pays the Daily Kos for the trolls.

njpat on June 13, 2009 at 7:54 PM

njpat, doesn’t matter what the AARP LEADERSHIP thinks of Obama and the Dems.

Once their CONSTITUENTS get a look at the health care plan, they either ride the swelling wave of anger or lose their membership.

manofaiki on June 14, 2009 at 6:34 PM

That’s an interesting problem and question by the way, but I am not sure the solution to this is NOT covering them.

Late to the party, but…

Expanded government-subsidized healthcare will accelerate the crowding-out of private health insurance. As is the case with Medicare, we will not be able to collect enough in taxes to pay market prices for treatments. Therefore the answer will be to reduce payments to doctors and hospitals and ration care.

This of course will drive up prices towards those who have the funds to pay market prices, i.e. cash payers and health insurance companies. Because most employers pay a portion of health benefits to employees, they will most likely drop coverage, opting to pay their employee the difference and let them fend for themselves. People not already on the government dole will quickly see that the public option, while lower in quality, is ultimately cheaper.

This is of course what the intention was, all along. Once government gets involved in the private sector it does not tolerate competition. It can also afford to lowball private insurance because, well, they can just raise taxes without much fallout. Increased taxes will continue to drive people away from private insurance and into the waiting hands of the poorer quality, but affordable, public option.

Mycowardice, you seem to have this idea that government actually intends to use public health care to take care of its citizens. Don’t ever forget that any public program, no matter the “good intentions” its supporters try to vocalize, has only one purpose…to hook as many voters as possible so that they have no choice but to keep the enablers in power.

And of course, the endgame (as is the case with gun control, poor public education, and benefits) is to make voting irrelevant (or at least nothing more than a show, much like Iran) and to create a majority of dependent, uneducated, unarmed peasants.

So what is the solution? It’s very simple. Free markets. That means phasing out Medicare, Medical, and any government interference in the health care industry. True free markets, not the over-regulated, price-controlled hybrid that Medicare and the FDA have created. Free markets will allow capital to flow back into the markets, encouraging competition and lowering prices.

And yes, that means allowing the uninsured to remain so. Free competition will allow the facilitated entry of low-priced insurance into the market. For those in real dire straits, the freeing up of capital from the elimination of Medicare will allow charitable organizations to expand operations (and will be held accountable to its donors as opposed to an unaccountable government program).

TheMightyMonarch on June 15, 2009 at 12:04 AM

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