Obama gives up on making America Palau
posted at 3:29 pm on June 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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The Washington Post reports that the Obama administration has given up the idea that any of the detainees at Guantanamo Bay could get released in the US. Facing intense and bipartisan opposition from Congress and a hostile electorate, the White House has shifted focus to finding other countries willing to take the captured detainees. So far, though, the offers have been few and far between:
The Obama administration has all but abandoned plans to allow Guantanamo Bay detainees who have been cleared for release to live in the United States, administration officials said yesterday, a decision that reflects bipartisan congressional opposition to admitting such prisoners but complicates efforts to persuade European allies to accept them.
Four Uighur detainees, Chinese Muslims who were incarcerated at the U.S. military prison in Cuba for more than seven years, arrived early yesterday in Bermuda, where they will become foreign guest workers. An administration official said the United States is engaged in negotiations with other countries, including Palau, an island nation in the western Pacific, to find places for the remaining 13 Uighurs held at Guantanamo.
The Uighurs, who were ordered released by a federal judge last year, never counted America as an enemy, according to the men’s lawyers and human rights groups, giving the administration grounds to argue that they should live in the United States. Picked up in Pakistan and Afghanistan in 2002, the Uighurs were later cleared of the “enemy combatant” label but remained in minimum-security confinement at Guantanamo.
Attempting to settle non-Uighur detainees in the United States would generate even greater congressional opposition, and the administration has decided not to pursue it broadly, an administration official said yesterday, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue. But he said there may yet be “a few” candidates for settlement in the United States among the dozens of Guantanamo detainees who have been cleared for release.
First, let’s explode the meme that the Uighurs were never an enemy of the US. Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda network explicitly declared war on the United States and called for the killing of Americans around the world in February 1998. By that time, AQ had already staged attacks on American soldiers at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia; later in 1998, bin Laden would order the bombing of two American embassies in Africa, and two years later the attack on the USS Cole. And all of that happened well before the 9/11 attacks that killed 3,000 people and forced America to acknowledge the war bin Laden had declared more than three years earlier.
The Uighurs joined al-Qaeda and trained at their camps in Tora Bora and elsewhere after that declaration of war, and certainly after AQ started attacking Americans. They knew full well that AQ was conducting attacks on the US, as well as a number of other countries. They have the same status as any other AQ member: enemies of the US during a time of war. The US has no responsibility nor any cause to determine their state of mind when they joined, no more than we did with Nazi troops captured in World War II. In fact, they volunteered to join AQ. All we need is to have military tribunals that establish that fact, and that status should be enough to keep them locked up for the duration of the conflict.
But this may go on forever, critics will complain. Surely you can’t mean that we keep them locked up for life? Absolutely. We didn’t declare war on AQ; they declared war on us. When their leadership surrenders itself or gets destroyed and the terrorists concede, then anyone captured during the hostilities will get released. Under the rules of war, we have absolutely no obligation to release anyone who allied themselves with AQ, whatever their motives. If they are stupid enough to join a terrorist organization that promises perpetual war against the US, then they can take the consequences of that decision — and serve as a deterrent for anyone else looking for a lifetime war against the US.
The problem with the Obama administration’s approach isn’t so much that they’re looking to release the detainees here in the US. It’s that they’re looking for ways to release them at all.
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Yep, the grownups are in charge. /sarc
Sanity on June 12, 2009 at 3:31 PM
I have no sympathy for them. I do pray there emerges some solution.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 3:31 PM
So, essentially, even though America doesn’t want them, Barry is fine pawning unwantables off to anyone but the Chinese.
Gottcha.
Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Ed, you are so hot and cold lately! This is one of your better posts this week.
SouthernGent on June 12, 2009 at 3:32 PM
exactly! it’s doesn’t get much more clueless than this.
count me among those who sincerely hopes that obama fails in this endeavor, among many others.
homesickamerican on June 12, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Four Uighur detainees, Chinese Muslims who were incarcerated at the U.S. military prison in Cuba for more than seven years, arrived early yesterday in Bermuda, where they will become foreign guest workers.
Bermuda huh? Must be nice. And a job too? Sweet. How can I get a gig like that?
Tony737 on June 12, 2009 at 3:33 PM
The fact that AQ declared war on us and has yet to rescind that declaration should tell people that we are actually at war. As long as we are at war, then we will need a Gitmo type prison to hold the enemy combatants. The lefties mistakenly think that it is us who need to quit standing up to the terrorists in order to end the war.
gleep on June 12, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Barry, Barry, Barry… You really do step in it
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/12/guantanamo-bay-bermuda
Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Obama can put them in FantasyLand, where the rest of his big ideas belong.
I would put those terrorist in the basement cells of Atlantis. Yes this is water torture.
“hold your breath”.
portlandon on June 12, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Ed –
Ending Friday on a strong note! Great post.
Odie1941 on June 12, 2009 at 3:36 PM
The problem, Ed, is spinning this so it’s “Obama won’t actually conclude the war” and not “We’re keeping political prisoners”.
Although I’m hardpressed to discern how any other nationstate will take these prisoners if we won’t.
Skywise on June 12, 2009 at 3:37 PM
So, when do you think we’ll see smug photo ops featuring white-masked, orange jumpsuited hipsters protesting Obama’s evil treatment of these terrorists?
PBoilermaker on June 12, 2009 at 3:38 PM
It wouldn’t surprise me if the Uhbamuh administration placed former detainees into airport security jobs.
I’m serious, it, simply, wouldn’t surprise me.
OhEssYouCowboys on June 12, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Obama is just showing his lack of political savvy, in my opinion, on this issue.
He never should have promised to close GITMO.
It was a nightmare, and everyone knew it.
I thought he’d be in trouble over “Let’s negotiate, without preconditions.”
I was wrong. Preconditions apparently is not relevant in today’s environment. We moved to a global PR war. That means, the details aren’t relevant.
BUT…..GITMO turned out to be the promise that is an albatros around his neck.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 3:38 PM
AFTER taking control of all airlines AND firing all Non-Obama supporting security guards.
Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Or they can lead a church that future Presidential candidates may attend.
benrand on June 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM
They don’t need Congress to release them in America, they just need released.
Then it’s off to America.
christene on June 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Simple. Declare war on the United States. As a bonus, if you don’t pay your taxes, you’ll get a cabinet position thrown in too.
If these guys are safe enough to release anywhere else, why can’t they be released in the US? Dear Leader can’t have it both ways.
rbj on June 12, 2009 at 3:42 PM
They’ll be the ones collecting the “offering/tax.” They’ll shake the basket with a sinister scowl if you don’t hand over your welfare check…
Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Wait. I thought everybody at Gitmo was innocent Muslims caught up in sweeps by the Evil American military according to most Europeans. So now they are a “security” concern? Farking British hypocrites.
Thanks for the gumball Mickey.
TheBigOldDog on June 12, 2009 at 3:43 PM
+1000!!
christene on June 12, 2009 at 3:43 PM
We’re all Palauians now.
LibTired (KO) on June 12, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Apparently, you get a gig like that by learning how to make bombs and otherwise kill people.
hawksruleva on June 12, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Folks might enjoy this Onion-style parody of the day (if and when) detainees are released in the U.S.: “Released Guantanamo Bay Detainees Assimilate Remarkably Well Into American Neighborhoods” http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/05/released-guantanamo-bay-detainees.html
Mervis Winter on June 12, 2009 at 3:46 PM
If he wants to release folks, he should just put them in a boat, tow it into the North Atlantic, and set it adrift. If some European country wants to save them, then great. If not, well, that solves the problem, too.
hawksruleva on June 12, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Obama just didn’t try hard enough. Plenty of American communities would be glad to have these men, who were so unjustly tortured by the previous administration.
Offhand, here in California, I’m sure that the fine, upstanding, neo-patriotic Americans in San Francisco, Berkeley, and Santa Monica would open their hearts and homes to these wonderful, if misunderstood, victims of the the BushCo/ Cheneyburton regime.
malclave on June 12, 2009 at 3:46 PM
I wonder if “right wing” extremists will be given the same vacation…
Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 3:46 PM
I don’t want them released in America either…let’s set them free in San Francisco.
DrW on June 12, 2009 at 3:46 PM
May I humbly suggest…
Ceti Alpha V
max1 on June 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM
How long before the Governator starts negotiating to take them in exchange for paying off CA’s deficit?
TheBigOldDog on June 12, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Where would he keep them? I thought he sold off all of the prisons… (/sarc). I guess he’d have to send them to one of California’s many sh*t holes.
Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Yep. Very well put.
Obama’s loyalties sure are not with the United States of America, not in the sense, our country, that any of us recognize as the same place that Barry has in mind.
Lourdes on June 12, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Lots of empty bedrooms at the White House.
Ronnie on June 12, 2009 at 3:50 PM
The Governor’s Mansion in Sacramento.
TheBigOldDog on June 12, 2009 at 3:51 PM
I know, I know…
Send them to Alaska… and send Sarah and Todd a new helicopter.
Just make sure that Letterman donates some T-shirts with his face on them…
Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Those are reserved for paying customers and obsequious journalists….
TheBigOldDog on June 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Obama can put them in Air Force one and fly them around for years, never touching ground as they can refuel the plane in the air.
SnakesTerrorists on a Plane.portlandon on June 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Obama voters have a room to spare, I’m sure.
Come on trolls. Pony up a room for your buddies.
lorien1973 on June 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Heck, Sasha and Malia can barely tolerate the voucher kids…
How do you expect them to get along with someone that doesn’t like their mother’s toned arms?
That’s a reality TV show I could watch…
Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM
I can’t wait to vote this donkey off the island.
BPD on June 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Then it would officially be Scare Force One for Real-reals.
Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Obama, as with, it seems, nearly all Democrats, still can’t accept the fact that Al Queda and these members of that element really do want the death of Americans, and, that they’ve tried to go about making that happen.
Instead, the Left continues to blame Americans for being targeted by Al Queada, the old “blame the victim” mentality of the Left, or, as Obama, Kerry and so many more on the Left are wont to say, “we brought it on ourselves.”
No, we didn’t. They’re wrong.
Lourdes on June 12, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Actually, I was hoping we could vote him TO the island…
At the very least, couldn’t we send him and Carter to live in Gaza? I’m sure Michelle makes a mean [Molotov] cocktail.
Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 3:54 PM
I think you forgot that The One has outlawed hunting terrorists. Maybe there’s a federal exemption for the Inuits that allows them to club so many per year?
TheBigOldDog on June 12, 2009 at 3:55 PM
I never understood how Bush could say that you’re either “with us or against us” … and still we wouldn’t stand with Russians against the Chechens and with the Chinese against the Uighur. Both the Chechens and the Uighurs are Islamofascists.
We shouldn’t be sending Uighur’s to Bermuda or Palau – send them back to China. Besides, little goodwill shown to our financial masters couldn’t hurt.
HondaV65 on June 12, 2009 at 3:55 PM
I say bring em here
Colorado supermax
blatantblue on June 12, 2009 at 3:56 PM
That’s BRILLIANT! They could do a reality show to defray some of the costs.
TheBigOldDog on June 12, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Well, I’m sure we could use Global Changing Temperature to make a strong argument that the Inuits need to be able to do more clubbing…
Something like that…
Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 3:57 PM
We shouldn’t be sending Uighur’s to Bermuda or Palau – send them back to China.
HondaV65 on June 12, 2009 at 3:55 PM
ding ding ding… we have a winner!
max1 on June 12, 2009 at 3:57 PM
PLUS they could pressure the norks for two American journalists…
You’d think Obama hates Teh Asians…
Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 3:58 PM
My give a damn meter is busted. Sharks gotta eat, too. Start swimmin’, bitches! Allah’s will and all that…
Fletch54 on June 12, 2009 at 3:59 PM
It’ll just be the whole baby seal thing all over again. The country can’t just be put through that again. It just can’t…
TheBigOldDog on June 12, 2009 at 3:59 PM
When he said “us” he meant America, not Russia. Do you believe Russia was with us?
Ronnie on June 12, 2009 at 4:00 PM
In the olden days, when people saw terrorists on the side of the road, they would simply swerve into them… Problem solved.
With the Obama-car, however, the average American has found it increasingly difficult to swipe the hitch-hiking bazooka carrier. Usually, the “car” crumbles.
Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Excellent post Ed, you get to the core of the matter and is exactly what I have been saying to all those that were duped to vote for Obama based on the lefty propaganda that we are not at war with AQ/fascist Islam and the whole WOT was just fear mongering to keep the GOP in power!
Also, as I e-mailed to HA earlier the delusion of the current administration and its approach to the WOT is getting even more delusional as their latest global jutice initiative policy is resulting in illegal enemy combatants captured on the battlefield to be Mirandized!
Smart power indeed…it’s a good thing the adults are in charge now!
Liberty or Death on June 12, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Speaking of reality shows: “CBS Previews First Episode of “Survivor: Palau;” Show Features Team of Former Detainees Released from Guantanamo Bay”: http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/06/cbs-previews-first-episode-of-survivor.html
Mervis Winter on June 12, 2009 at 4:02 PM
Ed, would you please call Kirsten Powers and explode the meme for her. She is under the delusion and has expressed publicly on Fox that the Uighurs were “caught up” in some sort of snare by the US and later found to be innocent because it has “happened to others you know” (watching too many movies I think). She flipped out when some guy on Fox called them terrorists and said she had “no problem” with them living in the US, NYC or in her neighborhood.
Mr_Magoo on June 12, 2009 at 4:02 PM
I hope the country grows up and realizes that Gay People do have the right to adopt Baby Whales. I’m not sure about Baby Seals, but Baby Whales, yes.
Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 4:02 PM
The decision to admit the terrorist trained Uighurs has lead to a call for a vote of no confidence in the government of Bermuda.
http://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d9664630030002§ionId=60
Hera on June 12, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Russia may not have been with “us,” but it is hypocritical to say you can wage a war on terrorism, but Russia can’t wage a war on internal terrorism. Chechnya is nothing the US should support or even contemplate supporting!
Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Why not give them to China in return for China looking the other way while we hand North Korea its ass?
Ack on June 12, 2009 at 4:04 PM
AFTER taking control of all US business sectors AND firing all Non-Obama supporting security guards, the Messiah will feel free to place as many “former” AQ supporters as He can muster.
Friendly21 on June 12, 2009 at 4:06 PM
I’m sure you thought this through.
TTheoLogan on June 12, 2009 at 4:07 PM
And speaking of Miranda warnings for terrorists: “After Granting Terrorists Miranda Rights, Obama Authorizes Use of Lawyers to Act as Terrorists’ Human Shields” http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/06/after-granting-terrorists-miranda.html
Mervis Winter on June 12, 2009 at 4:08 PM
I believe that Obummer can’t use the urinal without soiling his trousers.
bloviator on June 12, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Yeah this will work on the tiny fringe of deadender
terrocontingency employees who have been giving Islam a bad name all these years. I wonder what motivates AQ to be so anti Islamic? Well, that is the effects of poverty and disenfranchisement I suppose.BL@KBIRD on June 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Never mind that the Chechens are whole hearted Osama Jihad fighters. Never mind they have killed Russian school kids by the hundreds. They are no more “freedom fighters” or “seperatists” wanting their own homeland than AQ in Iraq.
Friendly21 on June 12, 2009 at 4:13 PM
If I were running a poor south african country at this moment I’d be finding a way to build a rather large prison to draw business from these wars as well as cash from the countries that captured them.
What a business to go into, and think of all the fun the terrorists could have with one another in a maximum security prison in the middle of a blistering desert!
Spiritk9 on June 12, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Wait, I thought it was that married gay people have a right to environmentally friendly whale abortions performed by unionized undocumented holistic providers funded by a single payer system… or else you’re a fascist pig.
trubble on June 12, 2009 at 4:14 PM
They already do – visit your local mosque.
Friendly21 on June 12, 2009 at 4:15 PM
“Quick. Send out some more pictures of Obama shirtless on the beach!”
/Axelrod
Speedwagon82 on June 12, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Shepturd Smith shares her feelings. They seem to think the Uighurs were just part of a sightseeing tour group drinking in the beauty that is Tora Bora when the evil Americans snatched them without due process!!
Fluffy McNutter on June 12, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Keep them in Gitmo, but cut the crap and mamby pamby pampering. We need to make prisons all over the country more like prisons so criminals will stop wanting to go there!
kirkill on June 12, 2009 at 4:27 PM
only 3 1/2 more years to go…and only 1 1/2 until Congress goes back to Republican majority…hopefully Rs with a spine.
kirkill on June 12, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Yes, Ed has been Surprisingly Good today.
leftnomore on June 12, 2009 at 4:30 PM
I say we set the terrorist loose in San Fran and see who wins… the gays or the terrorists.
txag92 on June 12, 2009 at 4:39 PM
I still don’t get this.
They’re Chinese. We’re up to our eyes in debt to China. Hey, let’s give them to the China and save $200 million dollars.
What am I missing?
BuckeyeSam on June 12, 2009 at 4:39 PM
OK I’m confused. Is that what we are call ing the terrorists now? So, guest workers cause man-made disasters, right?
But, will I be allowed to nuke a gay baby seal for Jesus?
todler on June 12, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Except the Supreme Court said we couldn’t. Oops!
tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 4:42 PM
I fixed that for you, Ed. We ain’t hostile. We’re pragmatic.
madmonkphotog on June 12, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Where they’ll be no tribble atahl.
Speakup on June 12, 2009 at 5:00 PM
This whole debate is so confusing for me, why don’t we just nuke the gay whales and be done with it…
Liberty or Death on June 12, 2009 at 5:07 PM
When you have an administration that has it’s head so firmly lodged in it’s ass, it’s hard to see any future without a lot of crap in it.
GarandFan on June 12, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Heh, good one! Now that’s an Obama policy I can agree with…I’ve saved the link and will share it with all in my address book, thanks Mervis!
Liberty or Death on June 12, 2009 at 5:11 PM
buckeye sam is right. just send ‘em back to China, our new masters. they could become a new human rights violation!
kelley in virginia on June 12, 2009 at 5:34 PM
If Jugears wants to get the Chinese terrorists out of Guantanamo, why not let them move in with him and his ever-so-tolerant wife and two kids and mother-in-law? There are already guards around the house 24-7, and there’s plenty of guest rooms too. Save the country millions of dollars while doing his bit to “reach across the aisle” in understanding idiocy. Idiocy other than permeates his administration.
bradley11 on June 12, 2009 at 5:35 PM
I don’t understand why we don’t just give these terrorists to the Chinese. The idea that we have to protect al Qaeda trained terrorists from China is offensive in the extreme.
How would we feel if China captured Bin Laden, then gave him to North Korea or something? We’d be justifiably furious. I’m certainly not a fan of China but in this case they are at least not terrorists, so why shouldn’t we hand terrorists over to them to deal with as they please?
Besides, it would be hilariously ironic to watch the “human rights” lefties melting down if China chose to publicly hang them or something. Of course the libbies would blame America. They always blame America. What else is new?
DaMav on June 12, 2009 at 5:38 PM
The problem that Obama and his ilk have on this issue is a philosophical one. They simply don’t want to admit that these types of people could pose a serious threat because of the way we treat religious zealots in our country. They simply do not have any power or means to do anything. We’ve managed to marginalize any form of religion to the fringes of our society and Christians have allowed that to be done to them. Look at Huckabee, they media were saying “He’ll do great among Christians but that’s it”. He was never taken seriously. That fact that it was correct was secondary to the primary argument.
Since Christianity is the predominate religion in our country (and the main target of liberals in universities and the media) they simply don’t want to believe that another zealot from another religion could be just as bad or worse.
georgemonroe on June 12, 2009 at 5:48 PM
I couldn’t find the GOP’s spine with a scanning electron microscope in 2002 and I haven’t seen any indication that it has grown any since.
chemman on June 12, 2009 at 5:52 PM
And the Supreme Court never makes wrong decisions, right.
chemman on June 12, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Ed,
This is an example of why I love this site. My local newspaper; The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, never provides coverage that puts Barry in a bad light. If someone relied only on a similar local paper, they would never know of stuff like this.
Star20 on June 12, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Barry won’t let the detainees come into the U.S. through the front door. But the Uighers can sure try the back door once they become naturalized citizens of Bermuda. Barry has found a way to allow them in, without himself suffering any political fallout.
Dee2008 on June 12, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Yeah, agreed, as in, I noticed the same things, with great annoyance. Kirstin Powers is not reliable and repeats that numbed down, stoned DNC/Obama propaganda with those empty dark eyes of hers, one wonders if she’s not an android.
Smith, I think all hopes are lost on him. He is into perpetual “desperate” mode like Olbermann, Fox’s peer-performance to the Keith Olbermann disaster.
I watch Fox, daily, lest anyone think I’m not a fan. It’s just that there are some strangely booby-fools from the Left that Fox employs and it’s a real struggle to wonder why.
Lourdes on June 12, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Well said Ed.
One thing that I’m surprised by in all this is that China is not using the colossal leverage it now holds over the US to have the terrorists shipped straight there.
Jay Mac on June 12, 2009 at 7:38 PM
They should send them anywhere that they don’t want to go.
Dr. ZhivBlago on June 12, 2009 at 7:50 PM
JayMac
China is unpredictable, and for reasons of it’s own, would sooner step on Palau than us, for the moment. Palau’s support of Taiwan, rather than China, may come back to haunt them yet. In my own perverted way, I do have to admire the asian mind. It’s complicated, they never put all their cards on the table, and they’ll wait a thousand years for revenge. The Bam thinks he’s so far out ahead of everyone else. But he’s never had a good trouncing like he’s setting us up for…sadly, he’ll be tucked away with all the resources of his office and the Fed. Gobn’t to protect him. I’m thinking that lynchpin is North Korea. Pelosi, you need to practice duck and cover.
24K lady on June 12, 2009 at 8:04 PM
hunting season just opened up in Bermuda…
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on June 12, 2009 at 8:27 PM
The Obama Administration:Economy Killers
They’re rapidly killing the U.S. economy, now Bermuda’s(tourism) economy.
I would’ve tried a swap with China. We give them the four terrorists(correction:Man made disaster makers) in exchange for China to persuade North Korea to release the two journalists.
RedRobin145 on June 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM
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