Count Palau as “fear-gripped”, too

posted at 11:34 am on June 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The Obama administration may be celebrating the agreement with Palau that gets 13 of the al-Qaeda-trained Uighurs out of Gitmo, but the Palauans have a much different reaction to the news.  Jake Tapper reports that the editor of Palau’s main newspaper gets accosted on the street by angry citizens demanding to know what idiot thought bringing violent Muslim separatists into their tourist haven was a good idea:

The decision by Johnson Toribiong, president of the obscure Pacific nation of Palau, to take in up to 13 Uighurs — Muslim Chinese — currently being held at Guantanamo is meeting some resistance from the general population.

As ABC News’ polling director Gary Langer points out, proportional to population, sending 13 Uighurs to Palau is like sending 188,993 Uighurs to the United States.

The Associated Press reports that Fermin Nariang, editor of the Palau newspaper Island Times, has “been stopped in the streets of the capital Koror by locals venting their anger. ‘This is a very small country … and some are saying if the whole world doesn’t want these folks, why are we taking them?’ Nariang said. The government has ‘fumbled the ball on this one.'”

The AP also reports on more of the surprising sentiment in Palau about having trained terrorists set free among them:

Palau President Johnson Toribiong explained his decision to grant the Uighurs entry as traditional hospitality, but public opinion has appeared overwhelmingly negative. Some complained Friday that the government failed to consult the people.

“I totally disagree” with allowing the Uighurs onto Palau, Natalia Baulis, a 30-year-old mother of two, told The Associated Press by telephone.

“It’s good to be humanitarian and all, but still these people … to me are scary,” she said. …

The newspaper quoted islander Debedebk Mongami as saying, “I’m also afraid this news is going to scare the tourists who plan to come to Palau.”

Tourism accounts for 80% of Palau’s GDP.  As I wrote in my “fear-gripped” post earlier this week, the nation depends on Palau’s status as a South Pacific haven, a status which could get damaged by the presence of trained terrorists who allied themselves with groups that like to attack tourist destinations.  That is a rational concern, especially given the proximity of another Muslim separatist terror effort in the Philippines, just 2500 miles from Palau.  The global economic crisis will hit Palau hard enough without making it into a halfway house for al-Qaeda’s allies.

Image from the Foreign Policy blog Passport, where a commenter left this pithy response:

Wage war on the West -your reward is paradise in this life, AND the next.  Wow. I hope recruitment doesn’t go up too much. Sounds like a ticket out of poverty.

See Palau!  Bermuda!  Just wage war against the West, and travel the world!


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Sesquipaldamoron says: there are no fear-mongering right wing morons there to get in the way.

lorien1973 on June 12, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Perhaps the Democrats will pass a $4,550 tax credit specifically for people willing to vacation in Palau…

myrenovations on June 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Learn to blow stuff up, and if you’re caught, you’re forced to live in an island paradise.

Seriously – if Al Qaeda decides they want these Uighers back on their side, couldn’t they just take them off Palau? How secure will their confinement there be?

That’s assuming China doesn’t send a warship over there to pick them up first. Palau doesn’t recognize China, instead recognizing Taiwan as the legitimate government for the mainland. The Uighers would be the perfect excuse to allow China to push on that issue.

hawksruleva on June 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM

You know where I want to vacation?

A small island nation where I’m 100% certain there are Al-Qaeda members.

lorien1973 on June 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

It’s been said before: the moment one of these released terrorists strikes anything, anywhere (be it a 7-11 or a federal building), Obama and the libs who pushed this are toast.

Thunderstorm129 on June 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

angry citizens demanding to know what idiot thought bringing violent Muslim separatists into their tourist haven was a good idea

Answer: Obama

Daggett on June 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

“These Obama settlements has to stop, not some settlements, not outposts, not natural-growth exceptions”

the_nile on June 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

that the editor of Palau’s main newspaper gets accosted on the street by angry citizens demanding to know what idiot thought bringing violent Muslim separatists into their tourist haven was a good idea

that’s not a nice thing to say about oboombi.

SHARPTOOTH on June 12, 2009 at 11:42 AM

I miss Bush.

KillerKane on June 12, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I was seriously considering a cruise to Bermuda next year. Not any more!

SouthernGent on June 12, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Vacations to Bermuda about to become a whole lot cheaper. Win or Fail? I think I’ll stick with the Bahamas.

brennan251 on June 12, 2009 at 11:44 AM

That’s assuming China doesn’t send a warship over there to pick them up first. Palau doesn’t recognize China, instead recognizing Taiwan as the legitimate government for the mainland. The Uighers would be the perfect excuse to allow China to push on that issue.

hawksruleva on June 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Very astute. China will do what they want to – and considering the Brits are pissed with Hillary for Bermuda (not even calling to tell them) I wonder if it was a “convenient” way for Bambi to handle this issue OR the admin is really as dumb as we think.

My money is on the latter, but Chicago thug politics never cease to amaze me…

Odie1941 on June 12, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I went into the wrong profession, man. Terrorism is apparently where it’s at.

Answer: Obama

Daggett on June 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

RACIST!!! (just thought I’d get that out there). I totally agree though.

mjk on June 12, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Can’t they just lock them up and throw away the key?

Riposte on June 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM

I was seriously considering a cruise to Bermuda next year. Not any more!

SouthernGent on June 12, 2009 at 11:44 AM

It’ll be like “Survivor” every day.

the_nile on June 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM

I volunteer to be the Tropical Paradise Czar.

Daggett on June 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM

“See Palau! Bermuda! Just wage war against the West, and travel the world!”

But they did not wage war against the west did they? They were training to fight the Chinese and never got past that stage or they would have been charged or kept under lock and key. Many of these guys have already been released by the prior adiministration but that did not warrant the multiple Hot Air articles or the notion that dangerous terrorists were being set free. We have plenty of trained terrorsits walking around the US. You can see them at just about any major St. Paddy’s Day parade.

It is right to question and second guess how terror suspects are processed and it would be foolish not to keep track of these guys once they are set free. What is your solution Ed? Should they be kept confined for the rest of their lives without judicial review? If so, then why aren’t we doing this with other known trained terrorists?

lexhamfox on June 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM

I’m usually pretty rough on NIMBYs, but I’ll have to go along with people in opposing trained Islamic terrorists in the back yard.

forest on June 12, 2009 at 11:48 AM

As ABC News’ polling director Gary Langer points out, proportional to population, sending 13 Uighurs to Palau is like sending 188,993 Uighurs to the United States.

Well that’s obviously not true. I understand the attempt to make a point about proportions, but there’s no reason to frame it like that, because it’s not true. That’s like saying having one American study in a foreign school with 50 students is the same as having 100 Americans study in a foreign university with 5000 students. 100 American students can do all sorts of things — form their own groups, fill up an entire classroom, etc. — that one student can’t do.

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Seriously – if Al Qaeda decides they want these Uighers back on their side, couldn’t they just take them off Palau? How secure will their confinement there be?

hawksruleva on June 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM

America is in charge of protecting Palau. Why is this topic not being pursued — what happens if China “visits” Palau to “get” these guys, what does America do?

LastRick on June 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Wage war on the West

Well, I think the evidence is that these Uighurs were more interested in waging war against the East more than the West. At that time.

But as we know, the Islamists view all non-believers as enemies that either must be converted or killed. And receiving training by groups affiliated with AQ indicates to me that they aren’t exactly a bunch of innocent folks caught by the US – this is the liberal/left line.

China today, the US tomorrow.

SteveMG on June 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM

100 American students can do all sorts of things — form their own groups, fill up an entire classroom, etc. — that one student can’t do.

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM

On the other hand, I think we’d all agree 13 terrorists can get alot more done than one working alone.

LastRick on June 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

But perhaps the new administration has not yet caught up on the niceties of what powers the mother country retains over these “overseas territories”. It is security, defence and foreign policy, if they ever ask.

Link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8096925.stm

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM

America is in charge of protecting Palau. Why is this topic not being pursued — what happens if China “visits” Palau to “get” these guys, what does America do?

LastRick on June 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM

We do nothing. Also, we will not know about it, just some people in the government because the media won’t report it.

The Uighurs will cease to exist and all will be forgotten except for Obama’s grand gesture.

myrenovations on June 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM

By the way, I know you guys love dumping on Obama, but what exactly do you want him to do? You can’t just say, “keep them indefinitely” because the Supreme Court has ruled that he can’t without trying them.

Is it Obama’s fault that he isn’t able to prosecute them? Also, even if the government did prosecute them somehow, they wouldn’t be given a life sentence. So what would you do with them after their sentence was up? Have you even thought about these issues, or do you just like to jump on Obama no matter what?

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM

The Uighurs will cease to exist and all will be forgotten except for Obama’s grand gesture.

myrenovations on June 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Yes, and we will always remember that he pawned them off to small island nations and territories…

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM

It’s ok. Bermuda didn’t invade Iraq. Therefore the terrorists won’t attack them.

LibTired (KO) on June 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I volunteer to be the Tropical Paradise Czar.

Daggett on June 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Doesn’t one of the 21 Czars already cover that?

hawksruleva on June 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Just keep them the hell out of Vanatu. I plan on living there someday. It will be the last place on earth worth inhabiting when this is all over.

BrideOfRove on June 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

By the way, I know you guys love dumping on Obama, but what exactly do you want him to do? You can’t just say, “keep them indefinitely” because the Supreme Court has ruled that he can’t without trying them.

Is it Obama’s fault that he isn’t able to prosecute them? Also, even if the government did prosecute them somehow, they wouldn’t be given a life sentence. So what would you do with them after their sentence was up? Have you even thought about these issues, or do you just like to jump on Obama no matter what?

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Here’s an idea…

GIVE THEM TO CHINA!

And, maybe get 2 American journalists in return.

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Tourism accounts for 80% of Palau’s GDP.

It’s all in the marketing. Palau needs to market itself as THE destination for tired terrorists looking for a bit of R&R between Jihads.

highhopes on June 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

LastRick on June 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

I think that you agree with my point. 13 people can do whatever 13 people can do, which includes dangerous things. But it’s disingenuous to say that they’re equivalent to 200,000 people just because they’re living in a small country.

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

It’s ok. Bermuda didn’t invade Iraq. Therefore the terrorists won’t attack them.

LibTired (KO) on June 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Have you forgotten…? tsk tsk

http://jewishbermuda.com/

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

This is going to be one hell of an Obamateurism, AP.

Only a f**king moron (or a sycophant…or both) would would do to Palau what BHO just did.

A f**king moron.

bluelightbrigade on June 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

These terrorists are not going to stay in Palau or Bermuda or anywhere they are sent so the locals have nothing to worry about. They will immediately go to the middle east and then back to the West under a multitude of guises, (7-11 gas clerk) to conduct the next attack.

The British sent their criminals to Australia. But that was back in the day when it took 6 months of sea faring to go from down under back to Britain. Highly problematic. Now, with the jet travel, every place on earth is at most 12 hours away. What we need is a place from which they can not come back.

keep the change on June 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Obama is making friends all over the world and reminding religious extremists of the dire consequences of their actions: living in a tropical paradise.

Jim Treacher on June 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

By the way, I know you guys love dumping on Obama, but what exactly do you want him to do? You can’t just say, “keep them indefinitely” because the Supreme Court has ruled that he can’t without trying them.

Military tribunals.

Daggett on June 12, 2009 at 11:56 AM

The Uighurs will cease to exist and all will be forgotten except for Obama’s grand gesture.

myrenovations on June 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Sure – except when the Palau becomes home to an Al Qaeda training camp aiding the Phillipenes.

hawksruleva on June 12, 2009 at 11:56 AM

It’s a hot knock life
For us
It’s a hot knock life
For us
Instead of prison
We’re released
Instead of payback
We get palm trees

It’s
A hot knock life

blatantblue on June 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM

You talk like the rule of law matters anymore. With Obama, it doesn’t. If he doesn’t have to follow contract laws or the Constitution, then we can keep them at Gitmo indefinitely.

BrideOfRove on June 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Supposedly we’re buying off the island with $200,000. Does anybody take our economic situation seriously in the Obama Administration? The push for Cap & Trade, $100,000 Dates to fulfill a promise to his wife – at our expense!

This guy is ONLY about Political Correctness. It doesn’t cost HIM a cent and the Libs love him for it. The FIRST Anti-American President in US History.

What a Country?

SayNo2-O on June 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM

See Palau! Bermuda! Just wage war against the West, and travel the world!

Didn’t Woody Allen make a movie about this … back when he was still funny?

Life imitates farce. That’s what America has been reduced to with The Precedent. Speaking of which, the new corollary seems to be:

Hate America and the West
and become part of a junta running the US.

progressoverpeace on June 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM

SayNo2-O on June 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM

In a dialect that the trolls can understand…

“Print, baby, print!”

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Bush’s handling of these terrorists at Gitmo is appearing to be such a better alternative to any of Obama’s options that its starting to look like maybe Bush is maybe just intellectualy superior for having come up with his brilliant idea in the first place.

chromium on June 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Will Obama be also arranging “Date Night” for these —ahem– gentlemen? I mean they have been locked up for a while with no female “companionship”–

Ladywolfnl on June 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM

I also believe I heard something on Fox about this costing roughly $12 million per Uighur.

Hey Hussein, where the F is my $12 million to go live in an island paradise? What, do I need to be caught in a terrorist training camp for that sort of treatment?

RightWinged on June 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM

some are saying if the whole world doesn’t want these folks, why are we taking them?’ Nariang said.

Well, that’s not entirely true. They’re Chinese citizens, and China wants them back.

As Obama said just the other day: one nation should not be dictating policy to another. What right does the U.S. have to dictate to China how to treat its own home-grown terrorist wanna-be’s? Isn’t it wrong for the U.S. to be imposing its own values (the right to due process, etc.) in this situation? Aren’t all cultures equal and entitled to respect? Why isn’t the Obama administration respecting China’s right to judge and punish its own citizens in accordance with its own laws?

AZCoyote on June 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Bush’s handling of these terrorists at Gitmo is appearing to be such a better alternative to any of Obama’s options that its starting to look like maybe Bush is maybe just intellectualy superior for having come up with his brilliant idea in the first place.

chromium on June 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM

That or Obama doesn’t give a flying f**k what anyone thinks except his future Gazan neighbors.

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Real estate market in Palau crashing and burning in 5..4..3..

Knucklehead on June 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Will Obama be also arranging “Date Night” for these —ahem– gentlemen? I mean they have been locked up for a while with no female “companionship”–

Ladywolfnl on June 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Just hope their dates don’t show too much skin.

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Here’s an idea…

GIVE THEM TO CHINA!

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

It’s against American law to deports people to countries that are likely to abuse them. Oops! Got any other answers?

(By the way, let me preempt a likely reply: You might think that’s a stupid law, but my question is what you want Obama to do, and I assume you don’t want him to break existing law, nor do you think he has the power to change this law.)

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM

That’s too bad they took some of the terrorists to Bermuda and Palau. I really wanted to take them to Kokomo.

Shock the Monkey on June 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM

With Obama at the helm, I don’t see any reason why China won’t swoop into Palau and Bermuda and just take their citizens home.

That is if Sheik Amed al Jihadi doesn’t come and get them first.

shibumi on June 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM

But they did not wage war against the west did they? They were training to fight the Chinese and never got past that stage or they would have been charged or kept under lock and key.

lexhamfox on June 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Oh … right. They were in that special anti-Chinese terrorist camp in Afghanistan. They only learned the anti-Chinese techniques …

Are you even sentient?

progressoverpeace on June 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Military tribunals would have been fine. And anyone who trained with al-Qaeda in Tora Bora should get locked away for good. This isn’t a criminal investigation — they declared war on us, explicitly so in the mid-1990s. Anyone joining them can pay the consequences.

Ed Morrissey on June 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

I also believe I heard something on Fox about this costing roughly $12 million per Uighur.

Hey Hussein, where the F is my $12 million to go live in an island paradise? What, do I need to be caught in a terrorist training camp for that sort of treatment?

RightWinged on June 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM

I like Gutfeld’s solution… pay people to keep them in their basement.

Didn’t The Onion have a spoof on this?

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

You know where I want to vacation?

A small island nation where I’m 100% certain there are Al-Qaeda members.

lorien1973 on June 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Actually, al Qaeda is in hundreds of countries around the world, big and small. There is one country, and one country only, where they are not, and that is in Iraq.

Del Dolemonte on June 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

We have plenty of trained terrorsits walking around the US. You can see them at just about any major St. Paddy’s Day parade.

the leftist is inciting violence against the Irish ! this kind of language is responsible for discrimination, hysteria and violence against the hard working, tax paying citizens of this country !

runner on June 12, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Military tribunals.

Daggett on June 12, 2009 at 11:56 AM

The Pentagon is the one that wants to release them, and have wanted to for a while now (well before Obama). I assume this means that they’d be unable to prosecute them in a military tribunal. If you believe what you said, why isn’t your anger directed at the pre-Obama Pentagon?

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:04 PM

I’m wondering………

……. Now that King Tut has released the poor terrorists, what did he get in return?

If al-Qaeda has thanked him for his generosity, and removed 13 terrorist from the battlefield fighting against US forces, I must have missed it…………….

……… Has anyone else heard or seen what this policy of placating to al-Qaeda has gained the United States?

All I see in Obama’s policies are weakness and incompetence…….

……… no wonder al-Qaeda financed his election.

Seven Percent Solution on June 12, 2009 at 12:05 PM

You talk like the rule of law matters anymore. With Obama, it doesn’t. If he doesn’t have to follow contract laws or the Constitution, then we can keep them at Gitmo indefinitely.

BrideOfRove on June 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Most likely your comment was just knee-jerk railing on Obama, but it does seem like you suggested that Obama ignore the rule of law, including Supreme Court rulings, in this case. Is that right? You’re angry at Obama for not ignoring the Supreme Court?

When you’re always angry at Obama’s decisions, even when you have no alternative answer, that’s when you know you need to recalibrate a little bit.

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM

It’s against American law to deports people to countries that are likely to abuse them. Oops! Got any other answers?

(By the way, let me preempt a likely reply: You might think that’s a stupid law, but my question is what you want Obama to do, and I assume you don’t want him to break existing law, nor do you think he has the power to change this law.)

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM

You’re saying Obama with his great oratory skills couldn’t get the Chinese to promise not to harm them? I mean, come on, he’s taking everyone else at their word.

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Aruba, Jamaica, c’mon I want to take ya…

There’s a song in there somewhere.

Palau has no borders…just a lot of ocean. Not a lot of regulation of ocean going traffic in the region either.

The Palau Navy/Coast Guard is a joint-US operation almost entirely, and it is a very small force.

So, once they get to Palau…they’re gone. Either by hopping a freighter or other ship or with the Chinese coming in and taking them home in the dead of night.

coldwarrior on June 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM

I feel like I must have missed part of this story. Can someone tell me why we are setting these people free in the first place? Do we doubt their guilt? Is it really just a matter that we feel we must close Guantanomo, and just don’t have anything else to do with these guys?

kc8ukw on June 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Palau and the USA have passport free travel between each other.

pat on June 12, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Hope they don’t send any to Turk & Caicos.

Alden Pyle on June 12, 2009 at 12:08 PM

You’re saying Obama with his great oratory skills couldn’t get the Chinese to promise not to harm them? I mean, come on, he’s taking everyone else at their word.

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Again, this is just a content-free jab at Obama. You don’t seem to have any real suggestion for what he should do. You seem to agree with his stance that the Chinese will abuse these people. What is it exactly that you disagree with Obama on in this case?

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:09 PM

To borrow a phrase from Rush’s Club Gitmo line…”Welcome to Palau, your tropical retreat from the stress of jihad!”

CP on June 12, 2009 at 12:10 PM

By the way, I know you guys love dumping on Obama, but what exactly do you want him to do? You can’t just say, “keep them indefinitely” because the Supreme Court has ruled that he can’t without trying them.

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM

I want the filthy leader in the White House to lead. Is that so much to ask.

Fact of the matter is the bastard put himself in this bind by campaigning on the idea of immediately shutting down Gitmo because such a sentiment appealed to the traitors of the left who voted the bastard into office. What Obama finally figured out was that shutting the facility on Cuba does not get rid of the fact that very bad people are housed there. He is scared to death of the inevitable fact that at least one of these people will go out and become terrorists again and he is the one who will be held responsible.

Bottom line, the bastard should have known what he was talking about before he opened his mouth and promised stuff that wasn’t in the best interests of America. Not that the filthy liar is working for the good of America anyway.

highhopes on June 12, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Wage war on the West -your reward is paradise in this life, AND the next. Wow. I hope recruitment doesn’t go up too much. Sounds like a ticket out of poverty.

Well shit!!! I costs $7500 for a two-week fly/dive tour of Palau….
I might as well get a used AK-47 and “terrorize a hood” and get a free ticket
& accomdations!! Does this plan include government health insurance & dental??
What about a GM vehicle?? Can I also get a Bank of America credit card??
I thinl Al Queda just found the perfect terror recruiting vehicle. Maybe this was Obama’s plan all along???

izoneguy on June 12, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Military tribunals would have been fine. And anyone who trained with al-Qaeda in Tora Bora should get locked away for good. This isn’t a criminal investigation — they declared war on us, explicitly so in the mid-1990s. Anyone joining them can pay the consequences.

Ed Morrissey on June 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

+100

cmsinaz on June 12, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Problem: terrorists in Palau, at a cost of $200 million.

Solution: Give Texan-born men of Texas 1 week vacation in Palau with free guns and ammo for say, $20 million.

Release other Gitmoans to Palau and repeat.

Problem solved.

BemusedMalkinite on June 12, 2009 at 12:11 PM

What we need is a place from which they can not come back.

keep the change on June 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

China.

OldEnglish on June 12, 2009 at 12:11 PM

You’re saying Obama with his great oratory skills couldn’t get the Chinese to promise not to harm them? I mean, come on, he’s taking everyone else at their word.

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Exactly. If China promises not to “abuse” the poor Uighurs, then they should be sent directly back to their country.

progressoverpeace on June 12, 2009 at 12:12 PM

I feel like I must have missed part of this story. Can someone tell me why we are setting these people free in the first place? Do we doubt their guilt? Is it really just a matter that we feel we must close Guantanomo, and just don’t have anything else to do with these guys?

kc8ukw on June 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM

In 2003 the Pentagon cleared them of terrorist charges and since then have been trying to release them. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/23/AR2005082301362_pf.html

Obama is just doing what Bush would have had to do, and there is no good solution. Therefore, everyone here uses the opportunity to rail on Obama.

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Maybe Barry should have dumped them in Chicago if they are so harmless. Never mind. They would not survive the thug politicians. Michelle Obama would simply crush them with her huge thighs and junk in the trunk. Is it just me or is her waist line getting higher and higher?

bigtexmex on June 12, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Again, this is just a content-free jab at Obama. You don’t seem to have any real suggestion for what he should do. You seem to agree with his stance that the Chinese will abuse these people. What is it exactly that you disagree with Obama on in this case?

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:09 PM

No, seriously… He should get Hillary on a plane… have her go over to China. Tell the Chinese that they will give them every last Uigher if

1) They promise to treat them humanely and

2) They pressure the Norks to give up two American journalists.

Sounds like a win-win to me.

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Military tribunals would have been fine. And anyone who trained with al-Qaeda in Tora Bora should get locked away for good. This isn’t a criminal investigation — they declared war on us, explicitly so in the mid-1990s. Anyone joining them can pay the consequences.

Ed Morrissey on June 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Ed, are you saying you disagree with the Pentagon’s 2003 decision to clear them of all charges? That is what this whole thing is based on. If the Pentagon felt they could charge them with something, they would. Where is your post railing on the 2003-2008 Pentagon’s handling of this case?

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Exactly. If China promises not to “abuse” the poor Uighurs, then they should be sent directly back to their country.

progressoverpeace on June 12, 2009 at 12:12 PM

pft pft…

You don’t make any sense… /sarc

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 12:14 PM

but my question is what you want Obama to do, and I assume you don’t want him to break existing law, nor do you think he has the power to change this law.)

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM

AAhahahaahahahahahahhah!

OldEnglish on June 12, 2009 at 12:15 PM

I want the filthy leader in the White House to lead. Is that so much to ask.

My question is what specifically you want him to do in this case.

Fact of the matter is the bastard put himself in this bind by campaigning on the idea of immediately shutting down Gitmo because such a sentiment appealed to the traitors of the left who voted the bastard into office. What Obama finally figured out was that shutting the facility on Cuba does not get rid of the fact that very bad people are housed there. He is scared to death of the inevitable fact that at least one of these people will go out and become terrorists again and he is the one who will be held responsible.

highhopes on June 12, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Actually, this has nothing to do with closing down Guantanamo. These prisoners were cleared of charges in 2003 by the Pentagon, and recent court rulings demanded their release into the US itself. Finding asylum for them seems to be the only alternative. Unless you have another idea, which is why I’m asking what you would actually rather Obama do here?

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:16 PM

Again, this is just a content-free jab at Obama. You don’t seem to have any real suggestion for what he should do. You seem to agree with his stance that the Chinese will abuse these people. What is it exactly that you disagree with Obama on in this case?

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Further, if the Clinton-Obama people didn’t “trust” the Chinese (which would be strange given that they sent little boys back to Cuba), then they could hold the Uighers and ask congress to modify the law.

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 12:16 PM

tneloms at 12:12 PM

“…cleared of terorist charges…”

Just like the other GITMO jihadis who were “cleared” …and who went right back to terrorism once released?

I really trust the legal “judgment” being shown.

Sure.

profitsbeard on June 12, 2009 at 12:16 PM

what happens if China “visits” Palau to “get” these guys, what does America do?

LastRick on June 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Zippo. You seen our response to the Norks as of late? Iran? Hamas? Hezbos?

In China there will be a new dish called “Uighurs over rice”! Starvation problem in some areas of China solved for a day.

freeus on June 12, 2009 at 12:17 PM

I’m surprised no one has come up with the idea of loading all the terrorists in Guantanamo on a VERY leaky boat, and pointing them towards Africa. Halfway across, in shark infested waters, the boat begins leaking badly…virgin alert is on HIGH in Paradise as a result….

bradley11 on June 12, 2009 at 12:17 PM

No, seriously… He should get Hillary on a plane… have her go over to China. Tell the Chinese that they will give them every last Uigher if

1) They promise to treat them humanely and

2) They pressure the Norks to give up two American journalists.

Sounds like a win-win to me.

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 12:13 PM

This would be a violation of US law, unless you think the Chinese would actually comply with (1). Do you think that? Does anyone? Should Obama think that? Your sarcastic responses aren’t really answering the actual question.

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Where is your post railing on the 2003-2008 Pentagon’s handling of this case?

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:14 PM

2003-2008 … you mean having kept them in GITMO? No one has any problem with that (although they, and the rest of the terrorist scum, have been treated far too nicely at GITMO – that’s for sure).

progressoverpeace on June 12, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Tneloms,

This is the dumbest argument evah on hotair

They are Chinese citizens. Give them to china. Case closed

Your law about “we’re scared about abuse” is trash. What proof do you have that china won’t try them legally? Speculation.

battleoflepanto1571 on June 12, 2009 at 12:20 PM

This would be a violation of US law, unless you think the Chinese would actually comply with (1). Do you think that? Does anyone? Should Obama think that? Your sarcastic responses aren’t really answering the actual question.

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:17 PM

My response is an answer, so it would appear I am answering your question.

Does anyone believe 1? Why not? There could be repercussions if they didn’t. This is not the first time that the US has deported individuals back to communist countries… In fact, I think the Clintons did this themselves. Are you saying they shouldn’t have trusted Fidel?

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Your law about “we’re scared about abuse” is trash. What proof do you have that china won’t try them legally? Speculation.

battleoflepanto1571 on June 12, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Now, now, give us some concrete evidence that it is making speculations…

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 12:21 PM

This would be a violation of US law, unless you think the Chinese would actually comply with (1). Do you think that? Does anyone? Should Obama think that? Your sarcastic responses aren’t really answering the actual question.

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:17 PM

I trust the Chinese more than I trust The Precedent. That’s for sure. And that is not sarcastic, unfortunately.

I’d be happy to forget the Uighurs and send The Precedent to China – without having to get any assurances that he won’t be treated the way he deserves.

progressoverpeace on June 12, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Ed Morrissey on June 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

They had their cases reviewed by the military. That is why they are being released. The military determined that no charges should be brought against them. This is no different to the uighur prisoners that Bush released. Why are you reporting this differently Ed?

lexhamfox on June 12, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Odie1941 on June 12, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Just like the other GITMO jihadis who were “cleared” …and who went right back to terrorism once released?

I really trust the legal “judgment” being shown.

Sure.

profitsbeard on June 12, 2009 at 12:16 PM

I’m aware of the facts. My point is not that *I* think these people aren’t dangerous. My point is that the *Pentagon* cleared them of charges and said they couldn’t be defined as “enemy combatants” before Obama became president. Why are you not railing against this? Why are you railing against Obama?

Based on your responses, I assume that you want Obama to reverse the determinations made by the previous administration’s Pentagon. Is that right? If so, your anger should be directed at least equally against the previous administration’s Pentagon.

The problem is that it’s likely that the Pentagon was actually right in its determination, which makes it hard or impossible to try these people. So Obama’s hands are tied and he has no good alternatives. I think it’s wrong to blame him for that.

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Obama is just doing what Bush would have had to do, and there is no good solution. Therefore, everyone here uses the opportunity to rail on Obama.

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:12 PM

“There is no good solution.” Was that from one of Obama’s campaign speeches? Because I don’t recall that. Instead, I seem to remember something like “I’ll close Gitmo as one of my first acts in office.”

If Obama had been honest and admitted that simply closing Gitmo was no solution, maybe he’d be getting a break here. But since Obama instead chose to pander and lie and pretend he was both intellectually and morally superior to everyone in the Bush administration, he deserves to be getting “railed on” for the idiocy of his current “solution” to the problem.

AZCoyote on June 12, 2009 at 12:22 PM

I trust the Chinese more than I trust The Precedent. That’s for sure. And that is not sarcastic, unfortunately.

progressoverpeace on June 12, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Sad but true.

At least the Chinese aren’t running around double speaking every 5 seconds.

Upstater85 on June 12, 2009 at 12:23 PM

The more time passes the more Bush was RIGHT

Gitmo works. Those poor uighurs didn’t just appear at tora bora working for current tv. They were part of a ideological nation at war with America since 1998

battleoflepanto1571 on June 12, 2009 at 12:23 PM

2003-2008 … you mean having kept them in GITMO? No one has any problem with that (although they, and the rest of the terrorist scum, have been treated far too nicely at GITMO – that’s for sure).

progressoverpeace on June 12, 2009 at 12:17 PM

The courts have a problem with that. I assume you aren’t suggesting that Obama defy court orders, including those of the Supreme Court. Are you? Is that what you want?

(And I assume you’ll make some sarcastic remark about how Obama would never hesitate to defy the courts, he is power-hungry, doesn’t care about the powers of the judiciary, etc.)

tneloms on June 12, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Obamallah’s Earthly Reward: A Terrorist Pipeline to Paradise

econavenger on June 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Use them as crash dummies. If they survive, set them free.

faraway on June 12, 2009 at 12:26 PM

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