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Ahmadinejad reelected, or maybe not

posted at 9:02 pm on June 12, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Reuters says it’s a landslide — 66/31 with 61 percent of the ballots counted — but his opponent, Mousavi, is claiming he was cheated, an excuse he’s been pushing since before the polls opened. The White House spin is set for either outcome: If Mousavi pulls the upset, it’s a hugely significant Change that proves the Iranian public wants detente, and if Ahmadinejad holds on, it’s a meaningless exercise in faux democracy given that all ultimate power derives to the Supreme Leader. Complicating all this, of course, is the fact that only the Mahdi (and the Iranian powers that be) know what the actual vote totals are. If there really was some secret groundswell for Mousavi as a protest vote against Ahmadinejad, we might see Iranian diplomacy tack — gently — towards “wider liberties at home and a gentler face for Iran abroad,” per Mousavi’s platform. But what if the numbers are accurate? Turnout was reportedly enormous, which makes lots of sense given public dissatisfaction with how Ahmadinejad’s managed the economy but zero sense in terms of producing a runaway win for the incumbent. To blow out Mousavi by 35 points with the opposition energized and headed to the polls in droves means either (a) the vote totals are cooked or (b) frighteningly, Iranians have embraced his belligerence towards the west and endorsed the regime’s rejectionism on nuclear negotiations. The poll of Iranian public opinion that I linked Monday actually suggested the opposite, that Iranians would be willing to tolerate inspections for nukes in exchange for an economic thaw with the west. So again, how to explain these results?

Regardless of who wins, I don’t mean to oversell Mousavi as some sort of radically liberal alternative to Ahmadinejad. As with all mainstream Iranian pols, the differences here are a matter of slight degree. As Iranian PM in the 80s, he condoned the killing of Salman Rushdie and there’s an argument to be made that him winning the election would actually make Iranian nukes more likely, not less. (“A Mousavi victory’s likely effect would be to make it easier for the West to trust the Iranian regime without making the regime more worthy of trust.”) To the extent the outcome’s significant, it’s significant purely as a barometer of Iranian popular opinion, not for any tidal shift in how the country will be run. Looks pretty grim right now.

Update: Given how quick some in the media were to credit Obama’s Cairo speech with the happy outcome in Lebanon’s election, will they be equally quick to call it a failure if Ahmadinejad wins? Expect them to blame it on Iran’s media censors not having let the spirit of Hopenchange penetrate deeply enough.


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Ghaemi told me that opposition leaders and their supporters are scared and are being intimidated, including by the surrounding of the Karoubi and Mousavi election headquarters by the security services, and by the alleged detention of Mousavi.

He said opposition forces believe there was massive fraud in the vote count but cannot figure out where it occurred, perhaps in the computer system pre-planned in advance. He said that they are frightened.

Iran hands have used words like “coup” to describe what they believe may be taking place.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/06/12/iran_elections_update

Obama has made this disaster possible. After his craven performance in Cairo the Mullahs know they are free to act with impunity. And after his Rose Garden stupidity this afternoon we can hang it around his neck. Obama is a menace to the planet.

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Elduende: the regime might feel free to act with impunity, but it was only a decade ago that Iran stood on the threshold of a counter-revolution. Things have not improved in Iran since. Who knows what a stolen election could light in an unhappy population. Its the type of thing we’ve seen light revolutions in other countries.

Wolf Howling on June 13, 2009 at 12:39 AM

Iran elections update
Fri, 06/12/2009 – 11:27pm

Leading Iranian opposition presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi was due to give a press conference at 10am Tehran time (8 1/2 hours ahead of EST), a Washington-based Iran hand tells The Cable. Two hours earlier, final vote counts (according to state counters) are expected to be announced.

“If [Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali] Khamenei comes and endorses the results prior to 10am, then a Mousavi protest will be more than a confrontation, but war,” the Iran hand says.

Meantime, an international human rights group says that it has received unconfirmed reports that Mousavi may have been taken into custody by Iranian intelligence officials.

“We were told by very reliable sources that Mousavi was detained on his way to meet the Supreme Leader by members of the intelligence ministry and taken to a safe house to prevent him from making any public announcement,” Hadi Ghaemi, of the Hague-based NGO, the International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran, told The Cable.

(A source who spoke to someone who went to the Mousavi headquarters said the person disputed that Mousavi was detained. The situation is not clear.)

Ghaemi said that the Tehran campaign headquarters of Mousavi and another opposition presidential candidate Mehdai Karoubi have been surrounded by intelligence services.

Security and armed forces have completely taken control of the situation and Karrubi and Mousavi both have been intimidated to accept defeat,” Ghaemi wrote. “Both their HQs been seized and shut. Khamanei has summoned Karrubi and told him ‘to shut up.’ Similarly Mousavi has been forced to accept defeat.”

“Based on this information, the claim is that using armed presence and use of force the coup is completed. Ahmadinejad’s supporters are reportedly already in the streets of Tehran and celebrating their ‘victory.’ Mousavi and Karrubi and their supporters are so intimidated they don’t dare to make any public challenges. I am told none of their top staff would do an interview. A very sad day for Iranian people….”

“Moussavi’s official website, http://www.ghalamnews.ir, reported that when his supporters gathered around his headquarters to celebrate what they believed was his victory based on reports of his representatives at polling stations, police forces confronted them using pepper spray and violently dispersed them. Moussavi’s headquarters have been since shut, similar to Karroubi’s headquarters,” the human rights group said in a press release.

Ghaemi said opposition forces believe there was massive fraud in the vote count but cannot figure out or yet prove where it occurred, perhaps in the computer system pre-planned in advance. He said that they are frightened.

Iran hands have used words like “coup” to describe what they believe may be taking place.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/06/12/iran_elections_update

Obama this is all you bucko.

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Wolf Howling on June 13, 2009 at 12:39 AM

They short circuited Rafsanjani a decade ago pretty easily. The Mullahs will not give up power without a fight. They can’t because of ethnicity. Persians make up roughly 50% of the population and they have been using Shism ruthlessly to suppress the other 50% of minorities in Iran. The Mullahs dare not empower any of these ethnicities or they are courting an epic ethnic bloodbath.

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 12:48 AM

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Thanks for the update. I seem to recall that some German dude gained the Chancellorship in much the same way. Forgot the fellas name…. ;/

Limerick on June 13, 2009 at 1:30 AM

Limerick on June 13, 2009 at 1:30 AM

Hah. I wonder who that could have been…

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 1:36 AM

Massive Fraud Suspected in Iran Elections
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is being declared the winner of Iran’s presidential election with nearly 35% margin over nearest competitor Mir Hossein Mousavi, with Karrubi and Rezaie receiving only 2% of the vote. The numbers do not add up. All the indications pointed to a very tight race between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi. Winning with 35% margin over Mousavi was unimaginable.

The questions is, if the government wanted to rig the votes in favor of Ahmadinejad, why did it need to show a margin of 35%. It would have been more believable if the margin was fixed at 1 or 2%. Here we might be witnessing not only an act of fraud on the part of the government, but a deliberate move to openly challenge and agitate the political opponents and the millions of ordinary young people who came out in droves on the city streets of Iran to register their unhappiness with the current situation.

The government seems to be challenging the opponents to come out again in anger in order to clamp down hard on them. The danger is for the IRGC and the Basij to raise their arms against the people in the coming hours and days.

To this analyst, the government’s move has all the hallmarks of a coup. The ruling group was loosing its control and has gone out in force to suppress the people’s aspirations. The opponents, especially Mousavi, Karrubi and Rezaie, need to find ways to register their refusal of the results of the election without risking a bloodbath on the streets of Iran.

A massive strike in the coming days might be a prudent approach. Such strike will have solid international support.
Posted by Nader Uskowi at 9:03 PM

http://uskowioniran.blogspot.com/

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 2:30 AM

Chavez: Ahmadinejad victory a win for all free nations

Published: 06.13.09, 08:51 / Israel News

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called to congratulate his Iranian counterpart, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, on the latter’s apparent victory in Iranian elections, Ahmadinejad’s website reported on Saturday.

According to the report, Ahmadinejad said that “despite all the pressures of the race, the Iranian people won a decisive victory.” Chavez reportedly said that Ahmadinejad’s victory was a win for the whole world and all free nations. (Dudi Cohen)

LOL!

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 3:16 AM

Elliott Abrams, former senior Bush administration official now with the council on foreign relations:

“Both the apparent victory and the apparent fraud greatly complicate the Obama strategy. My advice is that they had better be thinking about more sanctions. The one hope might be that if a new Ahmadinejad government is viewed as illegitimate by many Iranians, that government might be anxious to avoid further economic distress. In that context, sanctions that bite might be a powerful tool and might push the regime into a serious negotiation. But it is more likely that the engagement strategy has been dealt a very heavy blow.

“At this point one has to wonder about vote fraud. The two-to-one margin for Ahmadinejad may well appear to millions of Iranians as bizarre and unlikely, and meant to avoid a run-off he might lose. If that’s what millions of voters think, especially young voters in this very young country (70 per cent of the population is under age 30), there could well be large demonstrations. And the legitimacy not only of an Ahmadinejad second term, but of the whole regime, would be in question in the eyes of many Iranians.”

elduende on June 13, 2009 at 3:18 AM

So Ahmadinajad has won.

Its a setback, but then the other guy wasn’t much better. The important thing is that the only people who voted for Ahmadinajad were the poor and uneducated in the agricultural parts of the country who are expected to make the conservative vote. Those and the more extreme Iranians.

What is positive is that the younger generation are getting sick of the mismanagement of political affairs of the Iranian autocracy. Let’s face it, the only reason the Mullah’s stay in power is because they claim to be the voice of God. It’s hardly due to their competent government.

Iranians as a rule aren’t stupid. Most are smart and astute, and given a chance would be able to contribute a great deal to the world. They are being held back by dumb ideology. But if the young people are seeing this, then maybe in the long term there is something to be hopeful about.

In the meantime we have to deal with that clown Ahmadinajad for several more years yet.

dcpolwarth on June 13, 2009 at 3:47 AM

So … if I’m following this correctly, The Precedent opened his fist and the mullahs kicked him in the balls and laughed. Is that about the shape of this?

progressoverpeace on June 13, 2009 at 4:35 AM

Apparently ACORN has a well established system in place in Iran as well as the USA. Not alot of differnece between the leader there and here.

bluegrass on June 13, 2009 at 7:39 AM

progressoverpeace on June 13, 2009 at 4:35 AM

Not only correct but much more eloquently put then the NYT could ever think to say it.

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2009 at 9:10 AM

So how do you know in Iran if the adults are in charge?

bluelightbrigade on June 13, 2009 at 9:53 AM

bluelightbrigade on June 13, 2009 at 9:53 AM

When they do what Pres. Obama wants them to do. Don’t hold your breathe.

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Or breath to normal people.

Cindy Munford on June 13, 2009 at 10:23 AM

This just in: Iranian President For Life Iminthemoodfor Abigwhompinjihad has won re-election with 105% of the vote.

Asked for comment, USA President-For-Life-Designate Barry SmokeTooMuch said, “I heartily congratulate my 2nd cousin for his victory over any slight amount of freedom and liberty in our homeland in Iran.”

E T Cartman on June 13, 2009 at 12:30 PM

considering the populace who’s majority is huge ala under 30 with 40% of the country between 18-30 voting age, this 65% tally is well, lays claim to the age old adage, there are lies damned lies and statistics, and in this case votes in a country in which the Mullahs control all. In Mousavi’s own home province ( tabriz) he was out polled over 2-1, that in and of itself is beyond suspicious, its a joke. Oh, Why hasn’t Carter blessed the results yet? *snicker*.

imperator on June 13, 2009 at 12:45 PM

The adherents of one mullah approved candidate are fighting the adherents of another mullah-approved candidate. Both sides should have the best of luck.

chsw

chsw on June 14, 2009 at 9:30 AM

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