“Saved or created” explained
posted at 5:15 pm on June 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Earlier today, I posted Chris Muir’s hypothesis of how the administration calculates its “saved or created” numbers, and I wondered why Barack Obama didn’t just claim to have saved all 130 million-plus jobs in the US. We’d ask Joe Biden, but economics is above his pay grade, even thought he’s in charge of the $800 billion Porkulus project, because … er … nobody messes with Joe. Or his pay grade.
Instead, I turned to an actual economist for an explanation of “saved or created” jobs, and why the number remains stuck at 150,000 even as Biden spends more and more Porkulus bucks. King Banaian, chair of economics at St. Cloud State University and a man who laughs in the face of pay grades, breaks it down:
The calculation is from CEA chair Prof. Christina Romer’s testimony:
I have been told by the Office of Management and Budget that approximately $75 billion in spending under the ARRA has been obligated and almost $14 billion in outlays have already occurred. During the first 100 days in office, which the Administration marked yesterday, we estimate that the ARRA has already saved or created 150,000 jobs.That comes out to $93,333.33 in outlays per job created. Since the Administration has since spent another $32 billion (and obligated another $71 billion), why are they stuck on 150,000 jobs saved or created? If they believed the methodology Prof. Romer testified in April, the number should be significantly higher. This is the nature of Ed Morrissey’s first paragraph here this morning.
This is where it gets complicated, or in other words, above Biden’s pay grade:
Let’s then tie this to the unemployment rate: How can they claim this “created or saved” figure as the unemployment rate continues to rise as the new “hockey stick” graph says? People making that tie in either direction — to support or refute the claims of the Obama Administration — should treat the data with care. Unemployment rates come from a household survey which first has to establish who is in the labor force and who is not. You could be creating jobs and have more people unemployed (and a higher rate) because that nascent job growth got a lot of people off the couch and into job search. For example, last month the payroll survey says 345,000 fewer people were on U.S. payrolls, but the household survey says 787,000 more people were looking for work. Some of that is differences in surveys, but part of that is the household survey’s finding that 350,000 more people were looking for work in May than April. Make that last number zero, and the unemployment rate only goes up to 9.1% rather than 9.4%. You could claim that last 0.3% is the ‘hope’ that stimulus created. …
On the other side, though, 150,000 in a total employment pool of 140,000,000 is barely more than 0.1%, which is the relative sampling error of the employment survey. (See technical notes.) I don’t see how the Administration could prove in a statistical sense that job levels are higher than where they’d be in the absence of the stimulus.
This is, I believe, a critical point to remember when listening to the administration spin yarns about “saved or created” jobs. The amount used is nothing more than statistical noise, disprovable either way, and therefore a safe claim to make, and for the media to repeat.
At some point, though, the White House will have to find another number. They probably believe that the overall unemployment numbers will start to drop soon, and that they can focus on those numbers instead. If the unemployment numbers continue to rise, that 150,000 number will get very old very quickly, and more people than just Jake Tapper and Major Garrett will start asking them to show their data.
Be sure to read all of King’s post, which contains a warning for Obama’s critics, too.
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To my amazement, Barack Obama still has a job.
Our economic woes end, when this worthless, corrupt and incompetent waste of skin, joins the unemployment line.
NoDonkey on June 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM
imagine Barack Obama trying to use this reasoning while a youth selling newspapers on the street corner… I don’t think he’d hold down that job very long.
gatorboy on June 11, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Time for a classic Hot Air post.
Obama the liar is his name!
Mr. Joe on June 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Of course it’s disprovable. As long as 150,000 people still have a job, you can claim to have saved 150,000 jobs. See, if action hadn’t been taken, even these 150,000 would be jobless.
It’s an empty argument.
jimmy2shoes on June 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM
you can torture numbers to make them say anything but don’t waterboard terrorists
fourdeucer on June 11, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Bait.Switch.
SouthernGent on June 11, 2009 at 5:21 PM
keep it up you idiots… the more assonine your explanations become, the more distance you create between the mind-numb voters that put your sorry behinds in office. Simple chants like “YES WE CAN” and “CHANGE” work well, but multi-page explanations about the unemployment rate and the ARRA spending estimates per job will just gloss over the eyes and minds of DEM voters. So, like I said, keep it up
gatorboy on June 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM
How about when he was peddling drugs, that would be a more realistic analogy.
NoDonkey on June 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM
You sir are clearly a racist and hate-mongerer with this post.
Mr. Bingley on June 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Obama’s doublespeak on the economy is moving into Bush/Hannity territory.
I still support him but he needs to be a lot more honest about the economy instead of trying to massage the data.
SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM
There you go. He hired 3 economists to make hockey stick power point presentations.
seven on June 11, 2009 at 5:24 PM
I recieved a stupid email about how if GWB was still in office, all of us would be outta work.
I sent a reply: That was then this is now.
I got a reply: Give peace a chance.
BAYOOOWOOP! SPROING! HUH?
birdhurd on June 11, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Courage of your convictions.
lorien1973 on June 11, 2009 at 5:25 PM
The whole job saved thing is a sham. When unemployment hits 10% he’ll probably be saying they saved 200,000 jobs. With all the Chrystler layoffs coming you’ll here more about jobs saved.
Brat4life on June 11, 2009 at 5:25 PM
statistics are right wing extremists. I’m looking at you pi. – Janet Nap.
elduende on June 11, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Good Luck with him trying to be more honest.
Brat4life on June 11, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Who are you referring to?
Because I hope it’s me. Please let it be me.
NoDonkey on June 11, 2009 at 5:27 PM
He hasn’t been honest about anything. So keep supporting your command economy.
lorien1973 on June 11, 2009 at 5:28 PM
This is most ridiculous spin ever. It’s an illogical analysis.
The only way this country can be saved from the mess this man created is if Obama loses his job. Sooner rather than later.
sherry on June 11, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Ok.
SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 5:29 PM
I think it was drugs and hot dogs he sold with Frank marshall davis on the streets.
That is an example of 3 jobs?
seven on June 11, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Yep. Be a “moderate.” Don’t evaluate anything on principle. Just stick your finger up in the air and see which way the wind blows.
What is today, political correctness day at HotAir?
BigD on June 11, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Lessee, Barack Obama’s grasp of macroeconomics is probably up there with, hmmm, Hannah Montana?
Maybe the 27 year old who writes his speeches will log onto Wikipedia and brush up on things so Barry can enlighten us next week. We can hope.
NoDonkey on June 11, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Standard deviation can be useful with the right audience.
a capella on June 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM
This is all very interesting, but, no amount of semantic peddling can change the current facts about employment, as was elegantly illustrated in a post here on HA a few days ago.
Obama said the unemployment rate would NOT exceed 8% if IF! mind you , he got the stimulus money and other legislation he needed. He got that, and more.
Unemployment blew through 8% like a breeze through a pantywaist.
Everything above 8% is his, and his alone. And a share of a great deal below that, too.
When can we expect the Barackopolis to re-appear and provide the back drop for more soothesaying?
BobMbx on June 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM
So the reality is that Bozo’s numbers are horse droppings, like any rational reasoning mind already knew.
It is gratifying to learn that my earlier posted supposition is in fact correct:
In may than they reported.
dogsoldier on June 11, 2009 at 5:32 PM
I keep telling you, the appropriate term is “fabricated“.
If everyone started using “fabricated” in place of “saved or created” it would make its way into the public mind and people would automatically say “fabricated” on their own. This is how this part of the game is played. You do not accept their linguistic lies but use those terms that you think are more appropriate .. and you stick to it.
progressoverpeace on June 11, 2009 at 5:33 PM
LOL.
At least he’s not John McCain.
(I said the above sentence a few thousand times before convincing myself to vote for Mr. Obama. I figured since my state is not competitive, no sense “wasting” my vote on Brian Moore.)
SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Gee, officer…I still love him, and he still loves me….he didn’t mean to hurt me….he beat me up cuz he loves me….don’t take him to jail…..NO NO! I LOVE YOU, BARACK! I’m gonna git you out there…….I LOVE YOU!
We call this BWS, or Battered Wife Syndrome.
I advise you to seek counseling.
BobMbx on June 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM
What hasn’t he lied about so far?
a capella on June 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Do any of you really think they believe the unemployment numbers will start to drop soon?
I don’t. They’ll still lie about it, but I don’t think they’re really trying to create more jobs, and therefore don’t really believe the numbers will improve except by accident.
Daggett on June 11, 2009 at 5:35 PM
HONOLULU, Hawaii – The late Marxist activist Frank Marshall Davis, frequently accompanied by young Barack Obama and his grandfather Stanley Armour Dunham, sold marijuana and cocaine from a “Chicago style” hot dog cart Davis operated near his home on Kuhio Avenue in Waikiki in the early 1970s, WND has established.
A credible source, a well-known resident of Honolulu who spoke at length with WND on condition he not be named, disclosed that Davis was the source of drugs consumed by Obama. Davis was also the author of an autobiographical novel boasting of “swinging” and sex with minors, a copy of which WND obtained from Andrew Walden, a resident of Hilo on the island of Hawaii and publisher of the Hawaii Free Press.
That is an example of 3 jobs?
seven on June 11, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Where is Dog the Bounty Hunter when you need him?
txag92 on June 11, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Throughout my many decades of life, and may My Lord forgive me for saying this, but I’d have to say that Obama may be my most despised American of all time. The man is truly evil. The man, and his minions WILL destroy this country.
Jeff from WI on June 11, 2009 at 5:35 PM
This is like, uhh, THE RESUME SITUATION.
There are reasons WHY a candidate for the Presidency should not be able to conceal his academic records.
Lourdes on June 11, 2009 at 5:35 PM
The media would report this as fact without statistics. Dear Leader says so, it must be true. I get the distinct feeling that many in the media are waiting with baited breath, practically soiling themselves to repeat the latest proclamation from on high, as if it were actual fact instead of a talking point.
TheMightyMonarch on June 11, 2009 at 5:36 PM
There’s really no need for this post. I explained “saved or created” yesterday in another thread. It’s simple, they’re lying. Can’t we just be real about this?
RightWinged on June 11, 2009 at 5:37 PM
I’m sorry, I jumped to a conclusion.
Were you talking about Obama or Bush?
And, is “a lot more honest” the inverse of “less dishonest”?
BobMbx on June 11, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Joe “plugs Bidden said something about having “skin in the game”. Barry has no vested interest or any “skin” in the game. He was never in the military so he couldn’t care less if the great men and women of the armed forces are put in dange by releasing the Abu Graib photos. He was not raised in the United States. He sat in the pews and listened to a racist anti-Semite White hating minister for 20 years. He says he is a Christian but can’t produce proof of his baptism or proof that he was even born in this country. He has no “skin in the game” but still he wants the taxpayers to support his schemes. I think that the taxpayers are better off spending their money the way they want instead of how Barry wants to mandate our spending through taxes.
Kuffar on June 11, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Haha, I was talking about Obama. I feel he is acting like Bush when it comes to talking up the economy.
SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 5:38 PM
If the Red Queen can say: “A word weans what I way it means; no more, no less,” why can’t Obama transmogrify that to: “A statistic means what I say it means; no more, no less.”
After all, aren’t they both red? And don’t they both live in Wonderland?
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on June 11, 2009 at 5:40 PM
It is likely that most who voted for Obama and who (still) think he’s “doing a great job” don’t care nor want to understand what any of this means. They “just” want “theirs” and anticipate that Obama will give it to them. Someday. One day. What counts is that he tries, I think they say, or, given him time, that’s also to be heard often.
Obama is not held to any higher standard of performance than a guy who got into Ivy League schools and then promoted by them for rather cosmetic or coy reasons.
Lourdes on June 11, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Yeah, but you know, Bush actually did improve the economy.
So he, like, had that going for him.
lorien1973 on June 11, 2009 at 5:40 PM
What’s all this nonsense about jobs saved and jobs created? What about the bottom line? What’s the net job loss? Or more importantly, what’s the unemployment rate? Oh yeah, it’s pushing double digits. Like I said before, following Barry’s fuzzy math is kind of like measuring your success at a blackjack table by counting all the hands you won. If that amounted to $500, but you ended up losing the $5,000 you started off, who cares that you “won” $500?
ieplaya on June 11, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Standard deviation can be useful with the right audience.
a capella on June 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM
The problem with standard deviation is 99.?% of the data fall within + or – 3 sigma points and Obama is so beyond the UCL and LCL the data is uncalculable.
fourdeucer on June 11, 2009 at 5:40 PM
So Obama sold pot and cocaine? Then people are wrong about him — he really HAS run a business before.
And he has carried his experience over into his presidency. Get people addicted to your product (entitlements) and you can control them.
Daggett on June 11, 2009 at 5:41 PM
They absolutely will.
Who controls those statistics? The feds.
And the feds will do what the White House and Congress tell them to do.
NoDonkey on June 11, 2009 at 5:42 PM
What exactly would have been different under President McCain?
Well, we’d have the bailouts anyway (he’d have been a lame duck from the get-go), except this time without the Apology Tours I and II. That’s pretty much it.
Our economy would have still been in the crapper but at least our president wouldn’t be pandering to a bunch of left-wing despots and Middle Eastern savages stuck in the fifth century.
Sorry, but I’m still glad I held my nose and voted McCain.
TheMightyMonarch on June 11, 2009 at 5:42 PM
My guess is he didn’t file corporate tax returns either, so he’s in good company with his cabinet.
BobMbx on June 11, 2009 at 5:43 PM
I dont recollect four back to back months under W where we had over 600,000 people lose their jobs. The difference is that W didnt flush the economy down the toilet by creating a socialist environment as your guy has done.
dogsoldier on June 11, 2009 at 5:44 PM
No, but the nightly news sure went out of their way to convince people that it was happening.
myrenovations on June 11, 2009 at 5:45 PM
The hard part I have is how much did the economy, specifically, the wealth of the nation, grow under Bush. Because of the easy money policies and lax loaning standards, how much of that growth was vapor? 1% GDP? 2% GDP?
If I could view alternative timelines, I would like to see one where the interest rates from 2001 – 2007 were a tasd high as they should have been and were most home loans were the 20% down variety.
WashJeff on June 11, 2009 at 5:45 PM
I’m still waiting for my unicorn, gas card, and mortgage paid envelopes from the obama administration.
150K jobs saved/created/whatever. 2 Million lost.
It’s like saving 20 billion when you spend 1.4 trillion.
HornetSting on June 11, 2009 at 5:45 PM
He cannot be this stupid. This is planned. Printing money. Devaluing the dollar. He wants a one-world currency and we will have no choice when we are so economically wounded. It’s coming.
JAM on June 11, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Can we say the Emperor has no clothes, now?
coldwarrior on June 11, 2009 at 5:46 PM
To do that, you’d also have to look at the vaporware economy of the 90’s too. It’s difficult, I know.
But the GDP did grow under Bush, as did employment.
The GDP could still be growing now; but I don’t think that’s the goal.
lorien1973 on June 11, 2009 at 5:47 PM
If that were true I would have voted again for him in 2004 and for McCain in 2008.
SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 5:49 PM
With the Fiat/Chrysler deal going through today and their plan to reopen some plants this fall, at least when any of those jobs are saved the Italians can proudly (and justifiably) step forward and say they ’saved or created’ 50,000 jobs. But Barry-O will probly try to claim those as well.
What a tool.
redneckjoe on June 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Hell, I am unemployed right now. Just give me my $93k, and I can expand my little part time business that I have been making a small amount on.
coyoterex on June 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM
I’m saving or creating 17 jobs by making this comment.
Bugler on June 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Obama isn’t trying to help create jobs or anything like that. He could care less about jobs. Why do I know this? Well, if he wanted to create jobs, he would give incentives (without strings attached) to businesses so they could create more jobs. He would give tax breaks to Americans so they could start purchasing things again. The two go hand in hand.
Instead, he’s passing gargantuan spending bills for the government, bailing out banks and car companies, putting government appointees on the board of directors and overhauling healthcare and energy with mythical money and cap and trade.
Nothing this man is doing is meant to help you get a job – not now and not in the future. It’s all a snake oil pitch.
Thunderstorm129 on June 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM
And…
Smoke. Mirrors.
petefrt on June 11, 2009 at 5:51 PM
Keep on chugging along. It will pay off in the end, coyote.
HornetSting on June 11, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Slacker :/
lorien1973 on June 11, 2009 at 5:53 PM
So… they are saying they saved jobs, because they spent money?
Romeo13 on June 11, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Remember how the liberals were claiming the end of the world when the unemployment rate hit 6.3% in July 2003? The unemployment rate is now 50% higher than that. The intellectual dishonesty and hypocrisy on the left is truly stunning!
Capitalist Infidel on June 11, 2009 at 5:53 PM
No doubt the GDP and wealth of the nation increased under Bush.
Obama’s policies, and maybe it is his goal, will maintain chaos and crisis. You know the rest.
WashJeff on June 11, 2009 at 5:53 PM
He’ll make it out of stone next time, and it will take 150,000 laborers to build it. Just don’t let them use cranes–they emit too much CO2. Inclined planes and rollers only.
Steve Z on June 11, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Of course you would have.
There are lots of things to hate Bush and McCain for; but over the course of Bush’s term the economic growth wasn’t that bad (media made it far worse – and contrast it to how they report it today) and jobs were, you know, actually created.
By the 2008 elections, of course, it had all changed. All of that was poorly thought out federal policies (or well thought out, depending on your goal) since the late 90’s though.
lorien1973 on June 11, 2009 at 5:55 PM
The only truth I have heard from our Dear Leader is that he has a funny name and doesn’t look like me. The lies are just too numerous to even attempt to post, but I do believe his biggest lie is his background. Anyone willing to spend over $! million to protect a $15 long birth certificate certainly has something to hide.
notanobot on June 11, 2009 at 5:55 PM
If you have to spend $93,000 to make a job. Was a job really created?
lorien1973 on June 11, 2009 at 5:58 PM
I’m pretty sure voters understand when they become unemployed. They also understand when they get a job. When more of them are doing the former than the later, even Dem voters understand.
hawksruleva on June 11, 2009 at 5:59 PM
If you have to spend $93,000 to make a job, should you really cap the job’s pay?
myrenovations on June 11, 2009 at 5:59 PM
That is PRECISELY how their forumla works. Basically, to see if it works, they employ a forumla that “corrects” for their desired results.
I think they picked this trick up from the IPCC.
hawksruleva on June 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM
That’s three jobs at Wal-mart. Plus 4 dollar prescriptions.
jimmy2shoes on June 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Remember, the government can’t ‘create’ anything, only take wealth from the productive and redistribute it to others. The real question here is, how many jobs were lost due to the government’s confiscation of wealth (this generation or the next, or next, etc) and loss of productivity due to intervention deemed necessary to ‘create jobs’?
Ahh a Lion on June 11, 2009 at 6:02 PM
$93K per job? I’ll volunteer to sit at home for $70K, saving the tax payers, a cool $23K.
Ok,Ok..make it $65K per year
Jeff from WI on June 11, 2009 at 6:02 PM
With the MSM in the tank, I’m not so sure about this statement. Let’s see… how can we bury the idea that 1M more people are unemployed? How about a paid “vacation” care of the taxpayers? How about 1/hour/week jobs paid by the taxpayer? How about the MSM hires 1M interns?
Christian Conservative on June 11, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Haha. “More honest.”
He needs to be more spoon, too. And more pregnant. And more borosilicate-based.
fronclynne on June 11, 2009 at 6:05 PM
It’s patriotic to be unemployed.
petefrt on June 11, 2009 at 6:07 PM
The economy started going down the crapper when the Dem’s took control of both Houses.
Knucklehead on June 11, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Heh Janet thinks pi is a statistic.
Joe Caps on June 11, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Is it more patriotic than paying taxes?
Joe Caps on June 11, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Well, I don’t know what you guys have been doing all day but I saved 3,000 jobs.
Prove that I didn’t.
NTWR on June 11, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Don’t you have to pay taxes on unemployment compensation?
myrenovations on June 11, 2009 at 6:35 PM
This EFFIN Clown has a career waiting for him on the Tonight Show.
Cybergeezer on June 11, 2009 at 6:43 PM
No they won’t. The bozo’s in the msm, are hopelessly devoted to Obama. He is their god after all. I’m pretty sure, behind closed doors, they’re sweating all of this, like the rest of us are. With a few exceptions. Those being Olberman, Matthews, Williams, etc… but they’d rather play along, than admit, they’re backing a losing ideology.
capejasmine on June 11, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Yes, a teenager, with his hands open, as clueless as ever. America, you demanded him, you got him. You deserve him fully.
Schadenfreude on June 11, 2009 at 6:49 PM
I hate to bust anybody’s bubble here, but simply saying “we estimate” does not in any way constitute an “explanation,” let alone a “calculation.”
And the fact that the person who said it is an “actual economist” (whatever the Hell that means; is there even a license for that?) doesn’t do anything whatsoever to change that fact.
A lot of laymen think of economics as something like quantum physics. And, I suppose, if you’re dumb enough then pretty much every subject seems that way.
The problem is that a lot of “actual” economists (at least by dint of degree) act as if their subject is a liberal art – subject entirely to whim, opinion and the fiat of some elitist Star Chamber somewhere.
It’s not. Economics is technically a science, albeit an ridiculously simple one. Instead of incredibly complicated science and physics, economic theory relies entirely on a combination of common sense rules and remedial arithmetic. And, unlike other liberal academic bastions – like Art Appreciation and Racial Hatred – the fact that the self-proclaimed masters of economic “analysis” can’t show their math is impossible to excuse.
logis on June 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Saved or created… you’re soaking in it!
VekTor on June 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Slo Joe has no comprehension what the word means, let alone the ability to spell the thing. He’s like the ape with the bone in Clark’s 2001. He keeps beating the phrase around but has no idea what it is or how it works. He only knows that if he repeats certain phrases he can bludgeon his political opponents.
R Square on June 11, 2009 at 7:47 PM
So, can the Professor answer the root question now rolling around in my mind: How many millions of dollars did each created job cost? Or, even better, what is the delta between the cost to the taxpayer of each created job and the net wage paid to the recipient of the created job? If the delta is negative, good job Obama! If it is wildly positive, boy are we taxpayers getting screwed!
Of course, maybe that low paying job is something like planting trees to increase CO2 absorption from the atmosphere, so the job is really essential in the Goracle/Obamanoid world. So the liberal argument becomes the benefit of the job to the country as a whole. But then the capitalist in me cries out — “How come each planted tree costs $1M dollars? I can do it cheaper; I’ll get you 50 trees for each $1M!”
unclesmrgol on June 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Figures don’t lie,but liars figure.
McBride on June 11, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Oh yeah. For a real eye opener on how this theory works, read up on a group known as “The Wiz Kids”, led by Robert McNamara during the Vietnam War. They actually used mathmatical formualae to calculate what it woudl take to win the war. Things like for 1000 bullets fired, we kill 10 enemy soldiers. We estimate enemy strength at 1,000,000, so we to fire XXX million rounds. The computer says we’ll win.
I’m not kidding. They did just that.
Obama is using a similar theory here.
BobMbx on June 11, 2009 at 8:46 PM
No, nothing is more patriotic than paying taxes, except supporting Obama.
petefrt on June 11, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Hmmm….since paying taxes implies support for Obama (in his mind)….is there any way to NOT be patriotic?
BobMbx on June 11, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Stop and think about the people who need this explained to them. Hopeless, clueless simpletons. Looking forward to protests on July 4th. Don’t think David Letterman, MSNBC, CNN, NANCY PELOSI ANS YES BAM BAM OSAMABAMA can continue with their lying bullshit much longer. We have an opportunity to put 435 people to work in Washington as representatives and send some deadbead waste home to watch their friends in MSM fade away. Wake up America and send Hussain Obama a message.
bluegrass on June 11, 2009 at 9:19 PM
bluegrass on June 11, 2009 at 9:19 PM
Yeah, you’re right. We need to vote everyone of them out in 2010. But MY congressman is OK. NOT!
Suzanne Cozmos indeed!
Lanceman on June 11, 2009 at 10:41 PM
yep, replace them all
Mr. Bingley on June 12, 2009 at 6:16 AM
Yeah, you’re right. We need to vote everyone of them out in 2010. But MY congressman is OK. NOT!
Suzanne Cozmos indeed!
Lanceman
That’s why this is such a problem. People do hate congress in general but like their own congresscritter. And since they only vote for their own congresscritter, guess what? We have incumbent protection. The only exceptions are targeted Republicans or Democrats who have been videotaped raping underage nuns. Even then, with the Democrats, it’s iffy.
SKYFOX on June 12, 2009 at 9:02 AM
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