“Right-wing” Holocaust Museum shooter may have targeted … the Weekly Standard; Update: Fox News also targeted?

posted at 3:45 pm on June 11, 2009 by Allahpundit

Weird, huh? What possible grievance could a Jew-hating 9/11 Truther who ranted about Bill O’Reilly and “neocons” have against a magazine owned by Rupert Murdoch and edited by Bill Kristol? Maybe he detected a leftward drift in the Standard’s editorial slant lately? You know how irascible those “right-wingers” can be, especially when they’re fed a steady diet of Fox News. Which, um, Von Brunn hated.

I guess he’s from the conservative-hating wing of conservatism. Big tent!

Two other sources said two FBI agents arrived shortly after 5:00 p.m. Thursday at the 17th Street offices of the magazine. They told staffers that they had found the address of the magazine on a piece of paper associated with the shooter, James von Brunn, and asked whether the Standard had received any threats…

The suggestion that the Standard may have been a target complicates any view of the racist shooter in contemporary left-right terms. Von Brunn’s white supremacist roots put him under the rubric of a “right-wing extremist,” but the substance of his views — which included everything from believing that President Bush may have been in on the September 11 attacks to denying that President Obama is an American citizen — are too far on the fringe to fit into conventional political classification.

MacRanger claims Von Brunn’s a registered Democrat from Maryland but offers no evidence to substantiate that. Although even if he is, I think Kathy Shaidle’s discovery of which politician’s message boards he’s been frequenting is more revealing of Von Brunn’s politics than whatever his registration might be. Exit question: Olby, a renowned Fox-hater himself, will still find a way to blame this all on Rush Limbaugh, right?

Update: So deranged did this textbook right-winger become from watching Fox News that he apparently also targeted, um, Fox News.

Law enforcement sources told WTTG/MyFoxDC.com that during a search of a car that is believed to belong von Brunn, investigators found a notebook with information about six to nine locations in the D.C. area, including the National Holocaust Museum. Other locations on the list included the U.S. Capitol, the White House, the Washington Post, and a FOX News location.

Investigators followed up at each of the locations, trying to find out if there were any sightings of the suspect or any correspondence, MyFoxDC.com reported.

Odds are good that the Von Brunn story will quietly disappear from “Countdown” sometime soon.

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If you actually believe in a God, reading Leo Strauss is the ultimate blasphemy, not something you put on your annual Weekly Standard reading list.

LevStrauss on June 11, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Why wouldn’t I read him even I believe in God? Does reading Mein Kampf make me a Nazi? Sometimes you read things to become educated, understand references in debates or discussions, and become exposed to new thoughts. The world would’ve been better off if people had read MK to understand Hitler earlier on.

Aristotle said that the mark of an educated mind is being able to entertain an idea without accepting it.

amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 5:13 PM

I guess he’s from the conservative-hating wing of conservatism. Big tent!

Quote of the day! LMAO!!

rockmom on June 11, 2009 at 5:16 PM

By the way, is Kristol actually an atheist? Because all signs seem to point to him being Jewish. His father was Jewish, too.

Yeah Irving wrote a piece for commentary on Strauss’s book, Persecution and the Art of Writing, which says, if you follow Irving’s advice on how to read it, that many of the philosophers throughout time had to fake belief in a skygod because of the strength of the church, it kept them clear of persecution. Persecution is death, ridicule, barrier to upward mobility, etc., its manifestations have changed with the level of punishment. On the other hand as was stated earlier, religion is also a tool for mobilizing people.

LevStrauss on June 11, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Why wouldn’t I read him even I believe in God? Does reading Mein Kampf make me a Nazi?

If you fawned over Hitler and Mein Kampf, then you probably would be a Nazi.

LevStrauss on June 11, 2009 at 5:18 PM

By the way, is Kristol actually an atheist?

no

runner on June 11, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Aristotle said that the mark of an educated mind is being able to entertain an idea without accepting it.

amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Yeah but people aren’t forced to drink hemlock nowadays. Time to get over this nonsense. Is manipulating billions of well meaning people sound like the right thing to do?

LevStrauss on June 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM

runner on June 11, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Read his influences before you decide to open your mouth, Wiki just aint gonna cut it.

LevStrauss on June 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM

If you fawned over Hitler and Mein Kampf, then you probably would be a Nazi.

LevStrauss on June 11, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Was he fawning or encouraging people to read it?

LevStrauss on June 11, 2009 at 5:16 PM

That’s great, but many of those people were also people of conviction. Lincoln didn’t end up supporting slavery because opposing it put his life on the line, could split the union, etc. And individuals such as Buckley and Muggeridge could believe whatever the hell they wanted to, just as Ayn Rand did.

amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Odds are good that the Von Brunn story will quietly disappear from “Countdown” sometime soon.

Funny that you mention that AP. I couldn’t resist and watched the beginning of Olby last night. Anyway, he brought on this criminologist hoping he would rant against right-wingers. Well he mainly talked about right-wingers and Antisemitism, but he also brought up how Left-wing Antisemitism is very mainstream now. Well it left Olby speechless so he moved on.

Lance Murdock on June 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM

My question is, how does Ja-No put this into a DHS memo? He’s right, and yet he wanted to go after a conservative magazine….he’s left, he’s center…..Ja-No’s head just exploded….

Prayers to the victim’s family.

HornetSting on June 11, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Unfortunately there are a lot of racists out there who despise those on the right that would dare support a Jewish state, aren’t embarrassed by Jewish influences in our society (in fact we embrace many of them), and believe all people are equal.

Upstater85 on June 11, 2009 at 5:10 PM

With the shabby treatment of Israel…we may be looking at one in the White House.

HornetSting on June 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Why wouldn’t I read him even I believe in God? Does reading Mein Kampf make me a Nazi?
If you fawned over Hitler and Mein Kampf, then you probably would be a Nazi.

LevStrauss on June 11, 2009 at 5:18 PM

I read part of Mein Kampf in high school for a very interesting book report on the hatred of Adolf Hitler….for U.S. History. I guess, since I read it, I am a Nazi……

…now, where did I put that uniform and jack boots? Must be at the cleaners.

Try again.

HornetSting on June 11, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Read his influences before you decide to open your mouth, Wiki just aint gonna cut it.

LevStrauss on June 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM

I suggest you keep your panties on and relax.
Kristol admires him for his philosophical analysis of what is wrong with liberalism, he probably views his writings as an important input to the revival of modern conservatism. Now, your silly conjecture that Krsitol is an “atheist” is laughable. You have no concrete evidence other than a so called “reading list”. Oh, and Strausse’s own “atheism” is somewhat in question.

runner on June 11, 2009 at 5:27 PM

runner on June 11, 2009 at 5:27 PM

I’m still looking for info on Google about William Kristol being an atheist, but all I’ve found so far are references to him being Jewish.

As for his father, all I’ve found is that Irving prefaced his assertion about religion with, “If God does not exist, and and if religion is an illusion…”

amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 5:31 PM

LevStrauss on June 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM

That’s skyGOD, singular. We’re monotheistic here, ok?

catmman on June 11, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Exit question: Olby, a renowned Fox-hater himself, will still find a way to blame this all on Rush Limbaugh, right?

eh, if he can’t find one he’ll just make something up I’m sure

Zetterson on June 11, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Well, until it’s released that Limbaugh was also a target. ROFL

ddrintn on June 11, 2009 at 5:40 PM

“Right-wing” Holocaust Museum shooter may have targeted … the Weekly Standard; Update: Fox News also targeted?

He probably thought they were too liberal.

crr6 on June 11, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Well…Bill Krystol isn’t much of a conservative.

Jeff from WI on June 11, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Correction: the American people massacred the Republicans in the midterm elections and forced you to withdraw.

Lizza on June 11, 2009 at 4:33 PM

and thanks to that withdrawal MILLIONS DIED…I’m sure you’re very happy with that.

people like hanoi jane and the rest of the communist appeasers never apologized, or gave a damn about all those people who died…no surprise.

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Lizza on June 11, 2009 at 4:11 PM

FDR also threw over 100,000 Japanese-Americans into concentration camps in 1942.

Del Dolemonte on June 11, 2009 at 5:59 PM

My argument was referring to right4life’s reference to our “pulling out” of Vietnam, not to our bombing campaigns. He was the person responsible for the pulling out of our ground and air forces.

MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM

we pulled out our ground forces because of the peace treaty we signed…we could still have bombed them..until the congress prohibited it…and that, along with congress cutting funding to the south vietnamese, encouraged the north to invade…and break the peace treaty, because they knew with the democrats in congress, we could do nothing…

so yes the democrats have blood on their hands because of what they did.

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM

He probably thought they were too liberal.

crr6 on June 11, 2009 at 5:51 PM

he would probably consider you intelligent.

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 6:01 PM

OT…fox news reports the NORKS are planning another NUCLEAR TEST!!!

I bet Obama is gonna get REAL MAD now….I bet KJI is just quaking in his boots!!!

power to the people!!!

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 6:08 PM

so yes the democrats have blood on their hands because of what they did.

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t disagree on that point at all. I merely dispute that all of the blood lies on the hands of the Democrats.

MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 6:16 PM

I guess he’s from the conservative-hating wing of conservatism. Big tent!

Allahpundit, did you bother reading Von Brunn’s website? Like so many others, no one bothered researching Von Brunn’s ideology on his website, especially the part where Von Brunn avows to be a SOCIALIST.

nelsonknows on June 11, 2009 at 6:39 PM

Von Brunn avows to be a SOCIALIST.

nelsonknows on June 11, 2009 at 6:39 PM

I think AP was being sarcastic.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 6:41 PM

This guy was more like the paulbots/paulnuts.

They hate Bush/Cheney/neocons, feel they abandoned true Conservatism and destroyed the Constitution.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:18 PM

So deranged did this textbook right-winger become from watching Fox News that he apparently also targeted, um, Fox News.

He hated Fox News because they supported Bush’s policies and Murdoch supports Israel.

Remember Ron Paul was popular with the Stormfront crowd because he was considered an old world Conservative, much like Pat Buchanan.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:23 PM

I think you would call them PalieoConservatives.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Clearly, this is all David Letterman and Keith Olbermann’s fault.

kirkill on June 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM

You mean it’s not the fault of FoxNewsRupertMurdochRushLimbaughSarahPalin?

ddrintn on June 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM

He hated Fox News because they supported Bush’s policies and Murdoch supports Israel.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Sounds like a moonbat to me.

ddrintn on June 11, 2009 at 7:28 PM

From Wikipedia –

Nazism is often considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right.[9] The Nazis were one of several historical groups that used the term National Socialism to describe themselves, and in the 1920s they became the largest such group. The Nazi Party presented its program in the 25 point National Socialist Program in 1920. Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, racism, collectivism,[10][11] eugenics, antisemitism, anti-communism, totalitarianism and opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism.[11][12][13]

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Sounds like a moonbat to me.

ddrintn on June 11, 2009 at 7:28 PM

+1

It’s starting to sound like the left is going to turn this into another conspiracy theory like they did with 9/11.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Sounds like a moonbat to me.

ddrintn on June 11, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Hardly a Moonbat. Moonbats are extreme Liberals, Nazis hate Liberals and all things Liberal, they hunt them down and kill them, given the chance.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:32 PM

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Nice try…. Better luck next time.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 7:32 PM

Hardly a Moonbat. Moonbats are extreme Liberals, Nazis hate Liberals and all things Liberal, they hunt them down and kill them, given the chance.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:32 PM

You don’t have a clue about Nazism, clearly, which is why you had to look it up on Wikipedia.

Lame.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 7:34 PM

the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right.[9]

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Really? Name one.

opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism.[11][12][13]

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:30 PM

I guess you weren’t aware that free-market capitalism was economically liberal back then…

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 7:37 PM

This guy was a nut and I believe his politics were more along the lines of a Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul gone over the top/completely astray X 100. Or a Bo Gritz type.

I think way back when in 1981 when he stormed the Federal Reserve with the sawed-off shotgun trying to make a citizen’s arrest he was probably a Paleo-Conservative on the brink…

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:38 PM

opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism.[11][12][13]

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:30 PM

I guess you weren’t aware that free-market capitalism was economically liberal back then…

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 7:37 PM

…And the “political liberalism” that Hitler apposed was communism, which while technically to the left of fascism, all three are variations of the same root ideology.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM

the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right.[9]

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Really? Name one.

opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism.[11][12][13]

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:30 PM
I guess you weren’t aware that free-market capitalism was economically liberal back then…

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Number 9 footnote is – ^ Fritzsche, Peter. 1998. Germans into Nazis. Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press; Eatwell, Roger, Fascism, A History, Viking/Penguin, 1996, pp.xvii-xxiv, 21, 26–31, 114–140, 352. Griffin, Roger. 2000. “Revolution from the Right: Fascism,” chapter in David Parker (ed.) Revolutions and the Revolutionary Tradition in the West 1560-1991, Routledge, London.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM

This guy was a nut and I believe…

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:38 PM

You can believe anything you’d like but it won’t alter the reality of truth.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 7:41 PM

I read part of Mein Kampf in high school for a very interesting book report on the hatred of Adolf Hitler….for U.S. History. I guess, since I read it, I am a Nazi……

…now, where did I put that uniform and jack boots? Must be at the cleaners.

Try again.

HornetSting on June 11, 2009 at 5:25 PM

About as much as my geography report in High School made me a communist. I actually wrote the Soviet embassy and received a bunch of information from them for the report. Did not preclude me from getting a security clearance to work in S-2 later on though.

coyoterex on June 11, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Number 9 footnote is…

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM

That’s right, you can’t name one alliance with the right, because if you did it would be evident that by “right” they meant 100 years ago, not the present where they would be considered left.

Hitlers most prominent alliance was with fascist Italy, which is on the far left of todays political spectrum.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 7:45 PM

As a jew I will never accept the propaganda that these bastards are Left Wing, I know differently.

They locked up gay people, gased them with the rest of us and would kill them now if given the chance.

They strongly oppose any hate crimes legislation vehemently.

They hate blacks as much as they would love to see me adorning their favorite lamp.

They hate all immigrants – legal and illegal – and anyone who isn’t a white Aryan Christian.

These are not tenets of the Left Wing by any means.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:46 PM

That’s right, you can’t name one alliance with the right, because if you did it would be evident that by “right” they meant 100 years ago, not the present where they would be considered left.

Hitlers most prominent alliance was with fascist Italy, which is on the far left of todays political spectrum.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Sorry, I just do not agree with you.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Let me re=phrase – I am talking about the here and now.

These are not tenets of the current Left Wing by any means.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:48 PM

Sorry, I just do not agree with you.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Again, whether you agree or not is irrelevant. You’re simply factually wrong.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 7:49 PM

They hate all immigrants – legal and illegal – and anyone who isn’t a white Aryan Christian.

These are not tenets of the Left Wing by any means.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:46 PM

so do you think Gandhi works at your local gas station??

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Let me re=phrase – I am talking about the here and now.

These are not tenets of the current Left Wing by any means.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:48 PM

Maybe not you, but they are of the far left wing. That’s were the communists, socialists and fascists all hang out. I don’t deny that there are racists and kooks on the right as well but statism belongs to the left.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 7:52 PM

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:46 PM

I bet you think Obama is Clean and ARTICULATE TOO!!

thats mighty white of ya honey!!

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 7:52 PM

so do you think Gandhi works at your local gas station??

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Huh??? What does that mean, I wouldn’t even know how to answer that.

I do not get trumped up about immigration the way you do so i guess the answer would be no.

I do not believe in racial purity like the shooter did.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:53 PM

One more tenet not shared by the current Left Wing –

– racial purity and preservation of the Confederate flag.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:54 PM

These are not tenets of the Left Wing by any means.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Sure they are, but that doesn’t mean that the majority of the left agree with them. They may be a small minority but they’re still there on the left.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Sure they are, but that doesn’t mean that the majority of the left agree with them. They may be a small minority but they’re still there on the left.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM

You really believe libs fight for these causes??

Anyway it will all come out in the wash once they start reading his writing etc.

My prediction – he hated neo-cons becuase they were not Conservative enough and sided too much with Israel. He also felt they had become too global oriented, too busy conquering foriegn nations etc.

Sort of along the lines of a Buchanan or a Dr. Paul.

We’ll see I am pretty sure I will be right on the money.

This loon is beyond predictable. He’s like a watered down version of that loon birther crew that chased Sean Hannity through the streets of New Hampshire.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Huh??? What does that mean, I wouldn’t even know how to answer that.

I do not get trumped up about immigration the way you do so i guess the answer would be no.

I do not believe in racial purity like the shooter did.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:53 PM

thats what your non-racist :rolleyes: secretary of state said!! oh yeah

oh and I’m part black, part native american, german, irish, and I’m married to a black African lady…

so why don’t you tell me how much you ‘care’ for black people…bet some of your best friends are black!!

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 8:03 PM

whoops met to say

He’s like a jacked up version of that watered down loon birther crew that chased Sean Hannity through the streets of New Hampshire.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:03 PM

thats what your non-racist :rolleyes: secretary of state said!! oh yeah

oh and I’m part black, part native american, german, irish, and I’m married to a black African lady…

so why don’t you tell me how much you ‘care’ for black people…bet some of your best friends are black!!

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 8:03 PM

I live in NYC I know many blacks including my brother-in-law. My sister has a black husband who converted to Judism.

What’s your point?

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:04 PM

What’s your point?

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:04 PM

liberals are condescending racists.

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 8:05 PM

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 8:03 PM

And furthermore what’s with the – your Secretary of State remark? He is our Sec of State.

And don’t try it – you know I voted for McCain – you attacked me/him regularly during the damn campaign.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Sure they are, but that doesn’t mean that the majority of the left agree with them. They may be a small minority but they’re still there on the left.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Let me give you some examples. Here’s one you might be familiar with: The so-called anarchists that are in the news so often aren’t real anarchists. They’re not advocating anarchy as a form of long term social structure but using it as a means to achieve transformation. What most of them really are are Marxists or ignorant, misguided kids.

Many of the elite in the environmental movement are actually Marxists and socialists using concern over the environment as a tool to transform America. They use the environment much like anarchists use anarchy.

Socialism and fascism are very similar, many people who consider themselves socialist, (if they knew better and if the word didn’t have negative connotations from history), are actually fascists. The two are very similar and most people who subscribe to one don’t know enough to care that they actually fall into the other category.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 8:07 PM

And furthermore what’s with the – your Secretary of State remark? He is our Sec of State.

And don’t try it – you know I voted for McCain – you attacked me/him regularly during the damn campaign.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:07 PM

uh first of all its SHE…unless you know something about Hillary that the rest of us don’t!

yeah I sure did…mr. global warming, open-borders…as long as they’re mexicans to do his yard work, mccain-feingold

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 8:09 PM

I do not believe in racial purity like the shooter did.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Your not to crazy about mormons however if I remember correctly

kangjie on June 11, 2009 at 8:11 PM

uh first of all its SHE…unless you know something about Hillary that the rest of us don’t!

yeah I sure did…mr. global warming, open-borders…as long as they’re mexicans to do his yard work, mccain-feingold

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 8:09 PM

Sorry, I can’t stand the Clintons, I think of both of them like a siamese twin – he/shillbilly.

But I love John McCain and I don’t care how many of you Righties villify me.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:12 PM

They locked up gay people, gased them with the rest of us and would kill them now if given the chance.

These are not tenets of the Left Wing by any means.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 7:46 PM

you really don’t know history…every hear of the PINK SWASTIKA??? Rohm was gay…Hitler was probably gay…Goring was gay…Hess probably was too…

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 8:12 PM

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:12 PM

the whole point is the left is, and has always been racist…why do you think they react to any minority who dares disagree with such fury??

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 8:13 PM

You really believe libs fight for these causes??

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:01 PM

The American Communist party endorsed Obama during the election. I already covered anarchists, (whom, despite the name, are always demanding increased government control over trade and commerce, among other things), and environmentalists.

Are you saying that there aren’t any socialists on the left? What about Bawney Frank, as just one example? Socialists are certainly on the American left, and the only difference between socialism and fascism is whether or not the government “owns” the industries which, in both cases, the government controls. So if socialists are on the left, their nearly identical twin, fascism, is also necessarily on the left—as is communism.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Your not to crazy about mormons however if I remember correctly

kangjie on June 11, 2009 at 8:11 PM

That’s not true, I got into a big fight with that poster St Olaf during the time of the Mormon raid down in Texas. Me and a few others here felt small govt meant leaving them alone.

I sided with the Mormons, google the post – it’s all there for the historical record.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Your not to crazy about mormons however if I remember correctly

kangjie on June 11, 2009 at 8:11 PM

I also hated the attacks on Mitt Romney that happened here during the primary, they were brutal. St Olaf was one of the biggest attackers.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:16 PM

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:16 PM

I must have you confused with somebody else. Sorry
I keep thinking you were a Huckabee supporter that used to be on here telling everybody mormon this mormon that etc

Although you can be a huck supporter all day long and get no problem with me but that ant-mormon thing some huck supporters had going just really grated me. I’m not a mormon either

kangjie on June 11, 2009 at 8:25 PM

The American Communist party endorsed Obama during the election. I already covered anarchists, (whom, despite the name, are always demanding increased government control over trade and commerce, among other things), and environmentalists.

Are you saying that there aren’t any socialists on the left? What about Bawney Frank, as just one example? Socialists are certainly on the American left, and the only difference between socialism and fascism is whether or not the government “owns” the industries which, in both cases, the government controls. So if socialists are on the left, their nearly identical twin, fascism, is also necessarily on the left—as is communism.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 8:13 PM

But the Nazis did not. Go here and read up on what they think about Obama, jews, blacks, Democrats and liberals. And the owner of the site supported Ron Paul, his son was a Ron Paul supporting Republican who won in Palm beach and the GOP refused to seat him.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:25 PM

Hey Allah you just got a mention on Hugh Hewitt by MKH. She used your big tent line.

Cindy Munford on June 11, 2009 at 8:26 PM

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 8:13 PM

The shooter is being lauded on that site, they want to put him in their white supremist matyr museum.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Von Brunn should have converted to islam, that way he would be sure to disappear down the left wing media’s memory hole.

eaglewingz08 on June 11, 2009 at 8:27 PM

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 8:13 PM

One thing is constant about Nazi loons – they do not support Democrat candidates, period.

Show me one who voted for Obama or Hillary.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:29 PM

you really don’t know history…every hear of the PINK SWASTIKA??? Rohm was gay…Hitler was probably gay…Goring was gay…Hess probably was too…

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 8:12 PM

I’m not familiar with any of that, but on the same subject, I believe Stalin persecuted gays as well and aside from a lefty troll in a thread last night, I don’t think anybody disputes that Stalin was left-wing by modern American standards.

You can’t simply use modern American leftists as example, because most of them are mild compared to the standards of the past…. although that appears to be changing for the worse.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 8:30 PM

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 8:12 PM

Don’t you mean the Pink Triangle?

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:33 PM

Von Brunn should have converted to islam, that way he would be sure to disappear down the left wing media’s memory hole.

eaglewingz08 on June 11, 2009 at 8:27 PM

Yeah right, he hated Muslims, would have never happened.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:34 PM

But the Nazis did not. Go here and read up on what they think about Obama, jews, blacks, Democrats and liberals. And the owner of the site supported Ron Paul, his son was a Ron Paul supporting Republican who won in Palm beach and the GOP refused to seat him.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:25 PM

Most of Ron Paul’s supporters were left-wing anti-war truthers that flocked to him, not right-wingers.

And of course neo-Nazis don’t like Obama, but that doesn’t mean they’re right-wing. Hitler and Stalin fought a bloody war and both of them were on the far left.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 8:34 PM

The pink triangle (German: Rosa Winkel) was one of the Nazi concentration camp badges, used by the Nazis to identify male prisoners in concentration camps who were sent there because of their homosexuality. Prior to World War II, pink was historically a male colour as an offshoot of red, and pink was chosen not because it meant the wearer was feminine, but because they liked other men.[citation needed] Every prisoner had to wear a triangle on his or her jacket, the color of which was to categorize him or her according “to his kind.” Jews had to wear the yellow badge (in addition to any other badge representing other reasons for incarceration), and “anti-social individuals” (which included vagrants and “work shy” individuals) the black triangle. There hasn’t been any evidence for the persecution of lesbians under the “black triangle”. Only one lesbian (Mary Pünjer) was mentioned in the Ravensbruck archive as being stigmatised with a black triangle, but the reason for her persecution was her Jewish heritage.

Show me a Leftist that is going to lock up homosexuals.

Doesn’t exist in today’s world.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:37 PM

But the Nazis did not. Go here and read up on what they think about Obama, jews, blacks, Democrats and liberals. And the owner of the site supported Ron Paul, his son was a Ron Paul supporting Republican who won in Palm beach and the GOP refused to seat him.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:25 PM

are you sure about that??

In an informal Esquire survey, three out of four white supremacists prefer Obama, while McCain is the clear favorite among black nationalists. (Sure, our methodology suffered from an extraordinarily low sample size–limited to four white supremacists and one black nationalist–but just because it wouldn’t fly with Gallup doesn’t mean there ain’t a kernel of truth in there.) This is just one of many surprising views that emerged after we talked to extremists about this historic electoral showdown between a 46-year-old black man and a 71-year-old white man.

link

here’s what metzger said:

Tom Metzger
Who: Director, White Aryan Resistance

Likes: White people, karaoke, environmentalists

Dislikes: Race-mixing, Jews, the federal government, capitalism

Career Highlights: Was Grand Dragon of Ku Klux Klan in the 70s; won the Democratic primary during his bid for Congress in 1980; appeared on the episode of Geraldo Rivera’s show in 1988 when Rivera’s nose was broken in a brawl.

“The corporations are running things now, so it’s not going to make much difference who’s in there, but McCain would be much worse. He’s a warmonger. He’s a scary, scary person–more dangerous than Bush. Obama, according to his book, Dreams Of My Father, is a racist and I have no problem with black racists

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 8:38 PM

Show me a Leftist that is going to lock up homosexuals.

Doesn’t exist in today’s world.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:37 PM

the pink swastika is a book that researches the nazi’s link to the gay movement…I already mentioned the name of several leading NAZIS who were gay…

In 1945 a Jewish historian by the name of Samuel Igra published Germany’s National Vice, which called homosexuality the “poisoned stream” that ran through the heart of Nazism. (In the 1920s and 30s, homosexuality was known as “the German vice” across Europe because of the debaucheries of the Weimar period.) Igra, who escaped Germany in 1939, claims that Hitler “had been a male prostitute in Vienna at the time of his sojourn there, from 1907 to 1912, and that he practiced the same calling in Munich from 1912 to 1914″ (Igra:67). Desmond Seward, in Napoleon and Hitler, says Hitler is listed as a homosexual in Viennese police records (Seward:299). Lending credence to this is the fact, noted by Walter Langer, that during several of those years Hitler “chose to live in a Vienna flophouse known to be inhabited by many homosexuals” (Langer:192). Rector writes that, as a young man, Hitler was often called “der Schoen Adolf” (the handsome Adolf) and that later his looks “were also to some extent helpful in gaining big-money support from Ernst Ro[e]hm’s circle of wealthy gay friends” (Rector:52).

link

oh and of course the left LOVES gay people…just like there aren’t any liberal racists these days….right…keep drinking the kool-aid…

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Show me a Leftist that is going to lock up homosexuals.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Neo-nazi’s would, I think, and they’re on the left.

But you’re getting side tracked. We’re talking about the political spectrum, not specific issues. For every issue you can point out how Nazi’s differed from people on the left today, I can name two or three about how they differ from people on the right today. For example, name me one conservative, (and I’m not talking about Powell/Frum), that believes in government control of industry and media.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 8:46 PM

I am pretty sure that it would be a much harder job to find somebody this man liked, can you imagine hating so much. He must have been his own little ray of sunshine.

Cindy Munford on June 11, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Rocky Suhayda
Who: Chairman, American Nazi Party

Likes: Hitler, white people

Dislikes: Jews, immigrants, multinational corporations

Career highlights: Being widely quoted bemoaning in the fact that so few Aryan-Americans had the cojones of the 9/11 hijackers: “If we were one-tenth as serious, we might start getting somewhere.”

“White people are faced with either a negro or a total nutter who happens to have a pale face. Personally I’d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals–basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women–when usually negroes who have ‘made it’ immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize–that’s the kind of negro that I can respect

from the esquire article…so the nazis did support obama

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 8:47 PM

You can’t simply use modern American leftists as example, because most of them are mild compared to the standards of the past…. although that appears to be changing for the worse.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 8:30 PM

the more power they get, the blatant, and evil they will be…

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Most of Ron Paul’s supporters were left-wing anti-war truthers that flocked to him, not right-wingers.

And of course neo-Nazis don’t like Obama, but that doesn’t mean they’re right-wing. Hitler and Stalin fought a bloody war and both of them were on the far left.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 8:34 PM

That is not entirely true. Ron Paul garnered many of the young Right Wing Libertarian types who hated the Neo-Cons and were disillusioned with Bush/Cheney and their Pro-Israel stance, like Alex Jones. Libertarians are hardly Left Wing.

They also grew to hate Fox News because Fox News did not allow Ron Paul to participate in one of the latter Republican debates – because most on the stage were suspect of Dr. Paul, because he was questioning whether neo-Cons were true Conservatives.

During one of the debates Ron Paul and Rudy got into a dustup because Ron Paul told all of them that they were not Republicans.

Then some writing of Lew Rockwell’s surfaced somehow tying Ron Paul to Stormfront activities, Black made the donation and he kept it etc.

And many of those Truthers are Right Wingers in the genre of a Paul type, who hate and mistrust the government. The Birthers definately are, they detest Obama in the White House, like the shooter.

Lefties love growing the government and sponging off of it, the Paulbots hated that, hated Obama believed he was a Socialist.

I bet the shooter like Stormfront.org was a Paul supporter.

I predict it will come out as more is revealed.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:49 PM

from the esquire article…so the nazis did support obama

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Go on Stromfront.org and read up on what they think about Obama.

I would go there before a lefty mag like Esquire….

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:54 PM

I bet the shooter like Stormfront.org was a Paul supporter.

I predict it will come out as more is revealed.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Every truther I’ve seen or heard was a lefty, but I haven’t met most of them and am not familiar enough with them or Ron Paul to argue the point. I’ll have to defer to somebody else.

However, Ron Paul isn’t a socialist like neo-Nazi’s, and the shooter was apparently a neo-Nazi and has specifically stated on one of the blogs, (I’ve heard), that he was a “socialist”. This would seem to indicate that he wasn’t just another Ron Paul supporter. I’ve also heard he spent time at Paul’s site, but he was a truther, too, so that would make sense.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Go on Stromfront.org and read up on what they think about Obama.

I would go there before a lefty mag like Esquire….

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:54 PM

oh give me a break…they quoted the leaders of the white national movement…

don’t let the truth get in the way of your ideology!!

laughable.

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 9:04 PM

you don’t even make any sense at all…you admit esquire is a lefty mag…so why would they even print something like this then??? hmmmmm???

they would be more likely to say those people supported MCCAIN!!

try logic 101…

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 9:05 PM

Every truther I’ve seen or heard was a lefty, but I haven’t met most of them and am not familiar enough with them or Ron Paul to argue the point. I’ll have to defer to somebody else.

However, Ron Paul isn’t a socialist like neo-Nazi’s, and the shooter was apparently a neo-Nazi and has specifically stated on one of the blogs, (I’ve heard), that he was a “socialist”. This would seem to indicate that he wasn’t just another Ron Paul supporter. I’ve also heard he spent time at Paul’s site, but he was a truther, too, so that would make sense.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 9:00 PM

But the Neo-Nazis suppported Ron Paul, thus the reason normal Conservatives ran the other way away from Dr. Paul.

Most of Dr. Paul’s supporters were Truthers and Birthers as well, another reason normal Conservatives stayed away.

Some of them came here during the primary, they were run out on a rail.

Here are some Conservative links for you –

Here’s an article for you in the American Thinker.

From a blog.

From Reason Mag during the Lew Rockwell dust-up.

Granted Ron Paul had some Dems too, but mostly these younger Republicans who thought the party had gone down the tubes with Bush.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 9:13 PM

That is not entirely true. Ron Paul garnered many of the young Right Wing Libertarian types who hated the Neo-Cons and were disillusioned with Bush/Cheney and their Pro-Israel stance, like Alex Jones. Libertarians are hardly Left Wing.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 8:49 PM

My impression at the time was the the bulk of Ron Paul supporters were lefty truthers first, then went around ambushing presidential candidates with video cameras asking them about how they felt about investigating the matter, and Ron Paul gave them the most satisfactory answer.

Otherwise truthers wouldn’t have even a tenuous connection to the right, IMO.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 9:13 PM

you don’t even make any sense at all…you admit esquire is a lefty mag…so why would they even print something like this then??? hmmmmm???

they would be more likely to say those people supported MCCAIN!!

try logic 101…

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 9:05 PM

I did further research on your link and found out why some wanted to vote for him.

To build their movement, i.e., black President – they would garner more members.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 9:17 PM

Otherwise truthers wouldn’t have even a tenuous connection to the right, IMO.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 9:13 PM

I’ve read lewrockwell…even had a email exchange with him…he’s a nut-case…those people sound like left-wing wackos…they’re crazy as hell….

lincoln was a dictator..yadayada…bush was a dictator…anti-semitic as hell…

right4life on June 11, 2009 at 9:19 PM

But the Neo-Nazis suppported Ron Paul, thus the reason normal Conservatives ran the other way away from Dr. Paul.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Are you sure? I wouldn’t know, personally, but not every racist is a neo-Nazi. I realize that Ron Paul had some connections to racists but that doesn’t necessarily mean those racists were neo-Nazi’s like the shooter. And since Ron Paul’s site was, probably, one of the big truther sites, (of which “Jews” are supposedly part of the conspiracy), it’s not surprising that they’d be drawn there even if only for that reason.

But I’m not an expert on the makeup and motivations of Ron Paul’s supporters nor white supremacists. All I know is that Hitler, the Nazi party and neo-Nazi’s are all on the far left. That’s not to say that all racists are relegated to the left.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 9:19 PM

My impression at the time was the the bulk of Ron Paul supporters were lefty truthers first, then went around ambushing presidential candidates with video cameras asking them about how they felt about investigating the matter, and Ron Paul gave them the most satisfactory answer.

Otherwise truthers wouldn’t have even a tenuous connection to the right, IMO.

FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Not entirely true, some were Right leaning government hating types, distrust the government, Neocons, etc.

AprilOrit on June 11, 2009 at 9:20 PM

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