“Right-wing” Holocaust Museum shooter may have targeted … the Weekly Standard; Update: Fox News also targeted?
posted at 3:45 pm on June 11, 2009 by Allahpundit
Weird, huh? What possible grievance could a Jew-hating 9/11 Truther who ranted about Bill O’Reilly and “neocons” have against a magazine owned by Rupert Murdoch and edited by Bill Kristol? Maybe he detected a leftward drift in the Standard’s editorial slant lately? You know how irascible those “right-wingers” can be, especially when they’re fed a steady diet of Fox News. Which, um, Von Brunn hated.
I guess he’s from the conservative-hating wing of conservatism. Big tent!
Two other sources said two FBI agents arrived shortly after 5:00 p.m. Thursday at the 17th Street offices of the magazine. They told staffers that they had found the address of the magazine on a piece of paper associated with the shooter, James von Brunn, and asked whether the Standard had received any threats…
The suggestion that the Standard may have been a target complicates any view of the racist shooter in contemporary left-right terms. Von Brunn’s white supremacist roots put him under the rubric of a “right-wing extremist,” but the substance of his views — which included everything from believing that President Bush may have been in on the September 11 attacks to denying that President Obama is an American citizen — are too far on the fringe to fit into conventional political classification.
MacRanger claims Von Brunn’s a registered Democrat from Maryland but offers no evidence to substantiate that. Although even if he is, I think Kathy Shaidle’s discovery of which politician’s message boards he’s been frequenting is more revealing of Von Brunn’s politics than whatever his registration might be. Exit question: Olby, a renowned Fox-hater himself, will still find a way to blame this all on Rush Limbaugh, right?
Update: So deranged did this textbook right-winger become from watching Fox News that he apparently also targeted, um, Fox News.
Law enforcement sources told WTTG/MyFoxDC.com that during a search of a car that is believed to belong von Brunn, investigators found a notebook with information about six to nine locations in the D.C. area, including the National Holocaust Museum. Other locations on the list included the U.S. Capitol, the White House, the Washington Post, and a FOX News location.
Investigators followed up at each of the locations, trying to find out if there were any sightings of the suspect or any correspondence, MyFoxDC.com reported.
Odds are good that the Von Brunn story will quietly disappear from “Countdown” sometime soon.
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Basically, this guy is an extreme Ron Paulite.
Speedwagon82 on June 11, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Um…Nixon?
Though, to be fair, his presidency was quite a bit more liberal than many liberals seem to realize.
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:22 PM
And your point?
Knucklehead on June 11, 2009 at 4:23 PM
and a big hater.
kahall on June 11, 2009 at 4:23 PM
When an individual has passed over the line to racist psychosis, it is just frosting on the cake of hate when he is also anti-Christian, anti-Jew, antk-conservative, and so forth…
In reading the snippets of his deluded written regurgitations, I can’t find what he really supports, other than white dudes. Obviously, he hates neo-conservatives. He could just as easily hate the left for what one can tell.
So – my beef would be with those that place him neatly as a “right wing extremist” in an attempt to associate that with all conservatives. Heck, I am the maninthemiddle, and I have already been asked how “you conservatives” need to stop the hate – so that meme is well underway.
maninthemiddle on June 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM
the democrats cut off funding….forcing us to withdraw..
right4life on June 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Indeed. Ed has firmly kept Hot Air out of the “tabloid zone” and safely in the “equivocating spine of jelly/liver of milk zone” for quite some time.
That’s the stuff of dipshook legends.
TMK on June 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Clearly, this is all David Letterman and Keith Olbermann’s fault.
kirkill on June 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM
The Nixon Doctrine and Vietnamization were based on Nixon’s campaign promises to end the war. It wasn’t all on Congress.
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Actually, you could have said it better. Sheesh.
Buy Danish on June 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM
The Democratic-controlled Congress cut off funds for Vietnam. As Lewis Fanning said, “it was not the Hanoi communists who won the war, but rather the American Congress that lost it.”
amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Um, I’m pretty sure SouthernGal was being sarcastic in her post earlier. She just forgot the sarcasm tag.
Yossarian on June 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM
How about you make your own blog, with the imaginary steel spine whose absence you seem so miffed about?
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM
You want shome kugel maybe? Just a nosh? I’ll get you shome kugel, you’ll eat it.
TMK on June 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Ok, I can see there’s no actual debate to be had here.
Let’s conclude with the inevitable “Nuh uh”, “Uh huh”, and “Yer Mom” and call it even?
unamused on June 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM
link
right4life on June 11, 2009 at 4:28 PM
If you don’t like Allah’s posts, who is forcing you to read them?
Too much whining going on. Post away Allah.
portlandon on June 11, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Do you think Ed will give you some if you defend his honor, Interwebz Cop?
TMK on June 11, 2009 at 4:28 PM
If you don’t like it don’t read it. Why should people who do like it and read argue with you about the merits of their choice over yours?
dpierson on June 11, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Someone claimed I justified the killing of Jews because I think that it is understandable that the shooter’s target would target the Weekly Standard, a bastion of Jewish writers.
SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 4:29 PM
uh-huh, ok.
kahall on June 11, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Thank you.
amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Ok, I’ll finally bite on this one. I clicked the link and started reading w/o looking at who wrote it. Two guesses how far into the post I got before realizing it was an AP post….
How can you guys use a computer from so far up APs digestive tract? Talk about sycophants…
unamused on June 11, 2009 at 4:31 PM
What an insufferable jackass you are! There are no merits to your “argument” because you haven’t made one. ‘Allah sucks’ doesn’t count.
Buy Danish on June 11, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Can some one please explain why so many in the media refer to this guy as a “right-wing extremist”, meanwhile nobody refers to the man who murdered a military recruiter as a muslim extremist? Yeah, I know the answers to this question,but when will people drop this PC bull crap?
camtheman7 on June 11, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Prove it. Show us all how the Weekly Standard is a bastion of Jewish writers. And when you’re done, please explain how you know greed when you see it.
Knucklehead on June 11, 2009 at 4:32 PM
The Democrats ended American financial intervention in the war, yes. However, it was Nixon’s initiatives that removed our ground and air forces.
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Ok follow the bouncing ball.
Open a post – read and decide you don’t like it ->
CLOSE THE PAGE AND MOVE ON.
dpierson on June 11, 2009 at 4:32 PM
LoL, so is this what the next eight years is going to look like? Conservatives and right-wing fanatics snapping every other week, shooting police officers (like in Pittsburgh) and security guards, trying to bomb mosques and synogogues, while conservative bloggers and talk show hosts desperately respond to every attack by employing the No True Scotsman fallacy?
Yeah, I’m sure the guy was a Democrat. A Neo-Nazi who undoubtedly voted for the black guy in November. Uh huh. Realistic.
Correction: the American people massacred the Republicans in the midterm elections and forced you to withdraw.
Lizza on June 11, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Given the circumstances and the advanced age of the shooter, I still think this was one spectacular (and damned unfortunate) suicide by proxy, more than it was any sort of “rational” irrational antisemitic protest.
coldwarrior on June 11, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Absolutely
AnninCA on June 11, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Believe it or not conservatives (and AP is one) do not have to agree on everything. He upsets me frequently but so do half the people I know.
kahall on June 11, 2009 at 4:34 PM
…and left-wing fanatics shooting up recruitment centers the other weeks?
Your troll-fu is weak. Run away.
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:35 PM
I could make the same argument about your replies to my replies. Where does it end?
My argument here was simple: this shooting is not an acceptable one for snark no matter who baited us into the snarking. We should not play the left at their own game. They will win every time.
Forgive me for bringing reason into the church of Allahpundit.
unamused on June 11, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Can you just send me a link to the liberal talking point MoveOn email you so I can skip ahead to the end.
dpierson on June 11, 2009 at 4:35 PM
The Case-Church Amendment was passed by the Democratic-controlled Congress:
They continued the bombing campaign right up until the Congressionally-mandated deadline that prohibited military action in Vietnam after that date.
amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Naw, there will be more soup lines, and art-majors like you will be turning tricks for moldy bread. But at least your methadone will be provided free at the Obama Red Crescent SocialCare Clinic & Bar Code Assignment Station.
TMK on June 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Is it even possible to classify this nutcase as a liberal or conservative? This guy is clearly a psychopath. The man is a racist, anti-semitic white supremicist (which sounds redundant). Individuals like this cannot be classified as conservatives or liberals because they cannot because nobody subscribes to their view. They hate the government regardless of who is in power, and they do not identify with any ideology other than that of a fringe white supremicist group. Mainstream conservatives/liberals and even fringe conservatives/liberals do not spout hate speech about conspiracies to dilute the white gene pool. The man is crazy.
Shock the Monkey on June 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Cause and effect – you started whining about AP’s quality.
dpierson on June 11, 2009 at 4:37 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Weekly_Standard#Contributing_editors
Lots of fellow Jews are contributing editors.
Not sure what you are trying to say here.
SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 4:37 PM
…and whose fault is that?
Question: do you walk into a random store without seeing what they sell, and then moan and whine about the owner not selling what you want?
Putz.
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Thanks for finally saying what I’ve been thinking since this tragedy.
Knucklehead on June 11, 2009 at 4:38 PM
I think the point is why he is generally being classified as “Right-Wing”. I see something more to it than just laziness by the media.
dpierson on June 11, 2009 at 4:39 PM
I’ve been here for a couple years and I’ve never once heard anybody refer to Soros as a Jew in any context whatsoever. I didn’t even realize he was Jewish until you or another troll pointed it out last night or this morning.
FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Really? Where have you been for the last 8 years? The left have beaten us by using exactly the same tactics that you want us to avoid? This is war Mr.unamused. The left are attacking at every opportunity and you expect us not to defend ourselves? Fight incoming blasts with diplomacy-ya that will get us respect–at our funerals…/sarc
canditaylor68 on June 11, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Nixon made the announcement that offensive actions would be stopped on January 15th, 1973, 11 days before the Case-Church amendment was re-submitted.
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:40 PM
What in the name of all that is Holy are you talking about? Left-wingers have killed an American soldier and tried to blow up Jewish institutions in the past few weeks. You don’t think those jihadists and anti-war extremists were pro-Bush, do you?
In what way, shape, or form does his failure to vote for a Democrat last November mean he’s not a Democrat? He was 89 and, for all we know, could’ve voted for every Dem for 78 years until November. Do you honestly think every Democrat in the country voted for either Obama or McCain?
amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 4:40 PM
There’s also word going around that he was registered as a Democrat in Maryland.
Enoxo on June 11, 2009 at 4:40 PM
I can’t get over the fact that the guy is in his late 80′s. I know a few people that old and…well I just can’t see it.
kahall on June 11, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Thanks for providing some facts and information to a certain commenter who thinks he can match wits with R.S. McCain of the masterful Not Tucker Carlson blog.
Buy Danish on June 11, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Remind me again which party was the party of slavery…..
Hawkins1701 on June 11, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Then please do us all a favor and just go away.
FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 4:42 PM
wow! FNC too? Those Fox News people are inciting violence on themselves. /sarc
I guess that probably explains this story:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0609/1_minute_50_seconds.html#comments
youngO on June 11, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Then please do us all a favor and just go away.
FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Amen. Stop whining you loser.
youngO on June 11, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Now, this is useful. It provides a valid example of what unamused fallaciously applied to critics of his rant about AP:
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Offensive actions against North Vietnam. But we continued bombing until August when the the amendment banned further action.
amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 4:43 PM
And take MadisonConfounded with you.
Akzed on June 11, 2009 at 4:43 PM
I agree completely. Which is why I’m so shocked at some of the responses. Apparently we conservatives may only disagree if we do so silently.
I made what I believe to be a salient point. Nobody has even attempted to address it. At what point did the death of a human being by the hand (or gun) of another become an appropriate topic for the kind of sarcasm seen in this very blog posting?
I don’t find it appropriate. And I take AP to task for it. I do not attack him personally. I have not called him some of the things people here have called me (jackass and douche to name two).
Conservatives are supposed to be guided by principles. Reasonable disagreement is one such principle. In fact it’s one of the cornerstones of the philosophy upon which our country was founded. So when I act upon the principle that I should speak up when I see something wrong, how can so-called conservatives fault me? How can a conservative do anything other than debate me on the point I had made?
unamused on June 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Do you have any evidence that people just don’t care? As far as I’m aware this point isn’t made in forums that most people frequent and so are unaware of it altogether.
FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Reprobate mind. And a weak one at that.
The hatred fomented in this country is wholly owned by the American left and the deocrat party, with their enablers the mainstream media.
24/7 drumbeat of hatred against Bush and anything to the right of John McCain for eight years. Books and movies were made that fantasized about his assasination. Myrian books published about how stupid he was.
You government loving statists are the ones who view the world thru the prism of unfairness where the difracted view is not rainbow colors, but rather tribes and subgroups of people to pitch against each other for your own political gain.
Your playbook is ancient. It isn’t progressive. It enslaves people and removes individual worth.
daesleeper on June 11, 2009 at 4:45 PM
I can sympathize with that feeling occasionally, but only because I tend towards being serious and blunt. But I’ve always liked AP’s work because his is a different serious.
I think AP’s rhetoric is exceptional in how he wields humour, wit, satire, sarcasm, cynicism, irony and the sardonic in his posts to communicate and persuade. So much so, he’s caused me to read up some on them, not to use it more, mind you, but to better recognize and appreciate his use of them. I admire his ability to employ them immensely.
If you look into those rhetorical devices, I’m sure you will appreciate AP’s work more and see that, more often than not, he is being serious.
Dusty on June 11, 2009 at 4:46 PM
From the politco post
That’s because, at least in the case of MSNBC, they are hate 24/7. Simple really.
kahall on June 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM
My argument was referring to right4life’s reference to our “pulling out” of Vietnam, not to our bombing campaigns. He was the person responsible for the pulling out of our ground and air forces.
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM
I think you guys have answered my question. The e-tabloidiness of HotAir is the result of market forces.
Apparently, the audience demands this kind of cheap political discourse.
unamused on June 11, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Proud member of the Facebook Allahpundit fan club.
Sigh, I know you guys need the hits, but I always dread the week after open reg days..
saus on June 11, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Please. Shut. Up. And. Move. Along.
You’re boring.
Knucklehead on June 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM
The fringe extremes of both the Left and the Right often share more in common with one another than they do with either mainstream liberalism or conservatism. The most important and frequent shared attribute is their high percentage of crazy and violent people like the filth that committed this crime.
Those who try to link this despicable murderer to conservatives or Republicans are doing so for their own political purposes. What’s worse is that they are using the same bigoted group blame tactics that have been used against Jews and other groups for ages.
Loxodonta on June 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Right. The dufusses in the media are so lazy to get their stories straight before they report
youngO on June 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Gotcha.
amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM
See? This is what I expected. An actual thoughtful rebuttal of my point.
+1 to Dusty for responding to me like a civil human being.
unamused on June 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Calling this guy “right wing” is beyond PC bull crap. It’s at best ignorant stereotyping, and at worst blatant misinformation.
I’d always expect that kind of shallow, self-serving idiocy from the political class. It’s sad that it’s so common in the media though. Not unexpected…just sad.
Interweb Troll on June 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM
My evidence? Time spent not on the internet. Having done door-to-door campaigning. Having done phone campaigning. Having discussed politics with many groups of friends and acquaintances. People who really care more than merely idly tossing their opinion in during a discussion at work make up a small percentage of the country. They have too many other things to worry about, like paying their taxes. Funny how that works out.
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Do you mean from a cultural perspective? Because as far as religion is concerned he is atheist.
LevStrauss on June 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Oh, and you’re a nazi. I WIN!
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:51 PM
With FoxNews on the list,the DOJ will throw the charges out.
djaymick on June 11, 2009 at 4:51 PM
unamused on June 11, 2009 at 4:48 PM
I think ppl know what they get on HA and they come back because they like it. I don’t comment all the time but this is prob my favorite blog but you’re complaining about the owner and one of the authors of the blog. So it’s simple, if you don’t like it, then peace out. Nobody’s forcing you. I read Huffpo but i don’t go on comment section and whine about why is it so left wing
youngO on June 11, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Thrilling. But don’t expect multi-paragraph, thoughtful rebuttals to a point that consisted of:
You tend not to get thoughtful rebuttals to quick, ambiguous insults.
amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Your posts can’t be taken seriously either.
Loxodonta on June 11, 2009 at 4:52 PM
LOL
youngO on June 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM
He doesn’t believe in nonsensical skygods. That’s got to get him some credibility.
LevStrauss on June 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Good point
frontpagemag.com has a very good article on this guys writing
I can’t help but notice Huffpo seems rather muted about all this today. I figured they would be throwing parades and burning rush in effigy today.
And BTW Rush threw some very very serious red meat at them today.
He pretty much said they are responisble this guy not the right.
I’m surprised no response from the left
kangjie on June 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Jdripper may have been consulting NNDB, Wikipedia, and numerous other outlets that say Kristol is Jewish.
amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 4:55 PM
He believes in Lady Gaga. Close enough.
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:55 PM
The media is also claiming that the far right is gaining ground in European elections… Not so much. More like the far left.
Upstater85 on June 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM
I guess insults are easier to make than arguments. How sad.
unamused on June 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Yes, as opposed to those morons like William F. Buckley, Malcolm Muggeridge, William Shakespeare, Abraham Lincoln, and other special-ed cases who believed in “nonsensical skygods”. I, and I’m sure they, yield to your and AP’s superior intellect.
amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM
I wish you’d stop that. Your posts are greatly appreciated by the overwhelming majority of people posting here. You’re even appreciated by people who disagree with you. And it’s about time you accept this fact.
So, when are you going to acknowledge it with a smiley face?
Loxodonta on June 11, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Same thing goes for James vonn Braun.
Aristotle on June 11, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Nobody cares. If you don’t have anything to say about the original topic, leave.
FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 5:00 PM
FYI….nazi jew haters are liberals, not right wingers. They’re socialists and fascists. Not conservatives.
Long, old myth purposely twisted by….well, I’ll let you guess.
Spiritk9 on June 11, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Just to pretend to believe in skygods doesn’t mean you actually think they exist. There are more atheists in elected positions than you expect. Why don’t you take William Kristol’s annual advice and read yourself some Leo Strauss. Here’s a hint, its the same reason the Ledeen thought Machiavelli would have loved evangelical christianity and the same reason you’ll never see Bin Laden becoming a “martyr” himself.
LevStrauss on June 11, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Yeah, and I bet he also thought that the sky is blue.
LevStrauss on June 11, 2009 at 5:05 PM
My question is, how does Ja-No put this into a DHS memo? He’s right, and yet he wanted to go after a conservative magazine….he’s left, he’s center…..Ja-No’s head just exploded….
Prayers to the victim’s family.
HornetSting on June 11, 2009 at 5:06 PM
That is RICH seeing as how you opened up in this thread with an insult.. of the original founding blogger here no less!
Damn,I think I need to take a lactose pill that was so rich, otherwise the milk product may make me queasy..
saus on June 11, 2009 at 5:07 PM
If you actually believe in a God, reading Leo Strauss is the ultimate blasphemy, not something you put on your annual Weekly Standard reading list.
LevStrauss on June 11, 2009 at 5:09 PM
You think Abraham Lincoln, William Shakespeare, William F. Buckley or Malcolm Muggerdige were pretending to believe in God for some reason?
By the way, is Kristol actually an atheist? Because all signs seem to point to him being Jewish. His father was Jewish, too.
As for OBL, I wouldn’t doubt he sincerely believes what he talks about. He left a life of luxury to live in a cave and dodge missiles. He was espousing crap about Islam long before the world knew who he would become.
amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Unfortunately there are a lot of racists out there who despise those on the right that would dare support a Jewish state, aren’t embarrassed by Jewish influences in our society (in fact we embrace many of them), and believe all people are equal.
Upstater85 on June 11, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Do you mean from a cultural perspective? Because as far as religion is concerned he is atheist.
LevStrauss on June 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Jdripper may have been consulting NNDB, Wikipedia, and numerous other outlets that say Kristol is Jewish.
amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 4:55 PM
The conversation was why would he go after the Daily Standard? The answer is that Kristol is listed as Jewish. Hello? Follow the conversations next time. Whatever he personally believes Kristol is listed at every turn as Jewish. So I doubt very much that this nut job took the time to delve into whether or not he was Jewish or an atheist. He was out to kill Jews real or imagined he was out to kill them.
Jdripper on June 11, 2009 at 5:11 PM
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