“Right-wing” Holocaust Museum shooter may have targeted … the Weekly Standard; Update: Fox News also targeted?
posted at 3:45 pm on June 11, 2009 by Allahpundit
Weird, huh? What possible grievance could a Jew-hating 9/11 Truther who ranted about Bill O’Reilly and “neocons” have against a magazine owned by Rupert Murdoch and edited by Bill Kristol? Maybe he detected a leftward drift in the Standard’s editorial slant lately? You know how irascible those “right-wingers” can be, especially when they’re fed a steady diet of Fox News. Which, um, Von Brunn hated.
I guess he’s from the conservative-hating wing of conservatism. Big tent!
Two other sources said two FBI agents arrived shortly after 5:00 p.m. Thursday at the 17th Street offices of the magazine. They told staffers that they had found the address of the magazine on a piece of paper associated with the shooter, James von Brunn, and asked whether the Standard had received any threats…
The suggestion that the Standard may have been a target complicates any view of the racist shooter in contemporary left-right terms. Von Brunn’s white supremacist roots put him under the rubric of a “right-wing extremist,” but the substance of his views — which included everything from believing that President Bush may have been in on the September 11 attacks to denying that President Obama is an American citizen — are too far on the fringe to fit into conventional political classification.
MacRanger claims Von Brunn’s a registered Democrat from Maryland but offers no evidence to substantiate that. Although even if he is, I think Kathy Shaidle’s discovery of which politician’s message boards he’s been frequenting is more revealing of Von Brunn’s politics than whatever his registration might be. Exit question: Olby, a renowned Fox-hater himself, will still find a way to blame this all on Rush Limbaugh, right?
Update: So deranged did this textbook right-winger become from watching Fox News that he apparently also targeted, um, Fox News.
Law enforcement sources told WTTG/MyFoxDC.com that during a search of a car that is believed to belong von Brunn, investigators found a notebook with information about six to nine locations in the D.C. area, including the National Holocaust Museum. Other locations on the list included the U.S. Capitol, the White House, the Washington Post, and a FOX News location.
Investigators followed up at each of the locations, trying to find out if there were any sightings of the suspect or any correspondence, MyFoxDC.com reported.
Odds are good that the Von Brunn story will quietly disappear from “Countdown” sometime soon.
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Too bad this wasn’t written by Ed. I just can’t take AP seriously anymore…
unamused on June 11, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Christianist rightist!
blatantblue on June 11, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Seriously, this is where partisan thinking takes you.
This man was clearly mentally ill, paranoid, and it got worse with age.
AnninCA on June 11, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Unamused
You seem…
Unamused
blatantblue on June 11, 2009 at 3:49 PM
I can’t see the forest for his snark.
unamused on June 11, 2009 at 3:50 PM
So is this about the Holocaust Museum shooter, or Alex Jones?
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 3:50 PM
He’s a left wing fascist who wanted to usher socialism into the U.S.
V15J on June 11, 2009 at 3:51 PM
But… but right-wingers are to blame for this! Really! He was probably going to send flower baskets to Kristol!
/s
newton on June 11, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Was this comment supposed to be on the Olby thread? ;-)
WashJeff on June 11, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Good to know. Glad you felt it was important to inform us of your disinterest in Allah’s articles by posting in response to Allah’s article.
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Seriously, this is where partisan thinking takes you.
This man was clearly mentally ill, paranoid, and it got worse with age.
AnninCA on June 11, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Yeah, next thing you know Nancy Pelosi will be shooting Botox doctors.
mr1216 on June 11, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Why did you bring Obama into this discussion?
trs on June 11, 2009 at 3:53 PM
The more information we find out about this guy, more I’m thinking he would have felt at home at DKos. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had a diary there.
Exit Question: Will Charles bring up this little tidbit, I doubt it.
Lance Murdock on June 11, 2009 at 3:53 PM
I think Olby is one caliber away from being a shooter himself. That man has more venom than a snake.
redfoxbluestate on June 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM
That was a good line.
Of course. President Obama lives in D.C. Who doesn’t like the President? Who wants him to fail? I rest my case.
emailnuevo on June 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM
I guess what bothers me is that the left made political hay about a situation that would otherwise be regarded as just a horrible tragedy without skipping a beat and pundits like Allahpundit go right along for the ride.
Do you think the dead security guard’s family gives a flying hoot what political implications there are here?
Ed’s posts are all that’s keeping HotAir from becoming just another e-tabloid.
unamused on June 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM
:(
Allahpundit on June 11, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Not enough time. Needs to write another post about evolution versus intelligent design to satisfy his obsession with the topic.
WashJeff on June 11, 2009 at 3:55 PM
You are not the charter member of the “I hate AP” fanclub. Why do you read his posts and comment if you hate him so much?
lorien1973 on June 11, 2009 at 3:56 PM
<blockquoteEd’s posts are all that’s keeping HotAir from becoming just another e-tabloid.
:(
Allahpundit on June 11, 2009 at 3:55 PM
And it breaks my heart.
unamused on June 11, 2009 at 3:57 PM
AnninCa, I’m quite partisan but I would never take a gun to shoot up the Holocaust Museum or the Weekly Standard or any other place for that matter.
Seriously, this is where non-partisan thinking took you?
myrenovations on June 11, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Can we get 2 sexpert threads tonight? :P
lorien1973 on June 11, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Yes. After all, god forbid we analyze what drove this crazed madman to try and understand how others like him might be thinking, in order to try and prevent future tragedies like this.
Thanks for your input. Please deposit all future advice in the box marked “contrived dissonance”, and be sure and use the door with the sign that says “This is where you go if you don’t like it here”.
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Leftists see groups, not individuals.
Conservatives champion the individual, not their group.
von Brunn saw people in groups, caring nothing for their individuality.
So…
Akzed on June 11, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Silly neo-cons, there was no shooting in DC. After all, DC has a gun ban, therefore there can be no shootings there. Right?
::sigh::
cannonball on June 11, 2009 at 3:58 PM
Dude, he’s a NAZI. I keep saying he’s not a conservative. Socialists (National Socialist party) are LEFT WING WHACK jobs.
dogsoldier on June 11, 2009 at 3:58 PM
A-Oh! Better post more guards at the Museum of Religion and the Brooklyn Bridge. ;-)
WashJeff on June 11, 2009 at 3:58 PM
Allah:
I appreciate the work you and Ed put into this blog.
Thanks!
Barb aka ALT.
annoyinglittletwerp on June 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM
He hated JEWS, his last name was Von Brunn, want to guess his favorite party, of course, the NAZI party.Now which prominent American in government supported Hitler and the NAZI patty, that’s right, Good Old Democrat Old Joe Kennedy.
Jeff from WI on June 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM
Whose hard=hitting journalism gave us recent articles on Twitter and Up. They’re both good; it’s just different voices.
We’ve already got plenty of grizzled, veteran anti-APers.
emailnuevo on June 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM
I love it when reality intrudes upon liberal memes
Iblis on June 11, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Frum is going to get angry for you trying to pin this on him.
frankj on June 11, 2009 at 4:00 PM
So glad to see that posters are taking the tempered, logical approach to the left painting the shooter as a conservative…by painting him instead as a liberal.
Credibility just seeps from your pores.
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Isn’t the Weekly Standard a bastion of neoconservatism and Jewish writers?
Makes sense that he would have targeted it.
SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 4:00 PM
B-b-b-but he hated people. ONly right-wingers hate people. Left-wingers love people (and wish for a world without greedy doctors).
WashJeff on June 11, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Geez….got a chip on your shoulder or what. Stop taking yourself so seriously, you’ll be a happier person.
Lance Murdock on June 11, 2009 at 4:00 PM
*BLINK*
AnninCA on June 11, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Do I need to irrationally hate Ed in the comments for balance?
frankj on June 11, 2009 at 4:01 PM
This guy was nuts. I personally think all these guys in separtists racist groups are nuts.
They are just nuts.
AnninCA on June 11, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Akzed on June 11, 2009 at 4:02 PM
The Powell/Frum wing of the party?
FloatingRock on June 11, 2009 at 4:03 PM
I’m sure MSNBC will correct their position from yesterday. Olby pounded the right-wing extremism mercilessly.
I suspect for tonight’s show, they’ll ignore it all and quietly go back to covering the Tiller murder.
BPD on June 11, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Really? That’s all you have left?
The guy was a nut. Period. He wasn’t a Republican, Democrat, conservative, or liberal. He was f**king bats**t insane.
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Never said I hate him. Do you perhaps perceive him as hateful in some way? And I posted here because I knew he’d read it.
I’m just saying, in a world where everything is political, nothing is sacred. The left did as the left does–they exploited a tragedy. Why not just leave it at that and let the world see them as the twisted people they are?
Or perhaps some of us are so insecure in our own beliefs that we have to tilt at every windmill we see…
Allah, pundit like you got a pair!
unamused on June 11, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Sssshhhh! He’s a righty, just ask the MSM.
Vashta.Nerada on June 11, 2009 at 4:04 PM
The same Ed that thinks the manboychild’s muslim-loving speech was “surprisingly good”? I like Allah. He’s very, shall I say, nuanced.
SouthernGent on June 11, 2009 at 4:05 PM
I guffawed.
emailnuevo on June 11, 2009 at 4:05 PM
bwahahahaha
texan_forever on June 11, 2009 at 4:06 PM
As an apparent Nazi, I thought it was appropriate to link him to the left, since the Nazi’s were the National Socialist German Workers’ Party and all. Apparently that’s much too nuanced for you.
Akzed on June 11, 2009 at 4:06 PM
what the F8ck does that mean ?
runner on June 11, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Yup. That’s the way it is. If you don’t like it, avoid political blogs.
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:06 PM
++++
LibTired (KO) on June 11, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Allah, I love reading your posts and those of all the crew at HotAir. Keep up the good work!
I think the security guard’s family would be somewhat comforted by the fact that Johns and his fellow security guards prevented more bloodshed. von Brunn was prevented from escaping and carrying on his rampage elsewhere. The fact that Von Brunn may have had other victims in mind – and why – I do think is relevant.
Yossarian on June 11, 2009 at 4:07 PM
someone just advocated that killing jooos is ok. See above.
kahall on June 11, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Meh, the general populace has already internalized the “Marxist is to Nazi as left is to right” valuation line. There’s nothing we can do about it. It doesn’t matter that Nazis are leftists in ideology and practice. It doesn’t matter that their squabbles were over language, not intent: that both Marxism and Fascism reduce to the same collectivism, only differing in the makeup of the rigid caste system they both require.
spmat on June 11, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Allahpundit = pure genius. Come on. He causes so much heart-ache but I love him nevertheless. I know you secretly feel the same way.
I_C on June 11, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Nice try, AP, but the template’s already been established for this incident;
Von Brunn is a typical, everyday conservative who was whipped into a frenzy by Limbaugh, Hannity and right wing hatemongers on the Internet, and just couldn’t contain his inner Nazi (which all Rethuglicans have installed at birth) any more. We shouldn’t be surprised that this shooting is the result, and more such incidents will follow unless we do something to shut these people up. Janet Napolitano was right.
Any inconvenient facts that happen to contradict this template will be summarily stuffed down the memory hole and/or laughed into oblivion.
Gator Country on June 11, 2009 at 4:08 PM
There are real issues here. Did he get “fed” by blogs? Did it make his mental illness worse?
I was actually booted from a blog,which had been liberal, for my disdain for “birthers.”
They took over. I got booted.
But seriously, do blogs that allow people to express themselves actually feed those who are mentally ill to the point of action?
I think that’s a legitimate question.
AnninCA on June 11, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Yup, that’s what you thought. You were wrong.
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:08 PM
I wish you disgruntled ankle-biters would stop your tiresome complaining about Allah.
If you want to argue with him on the specific merits of a specific argument, go at it. But all this unspecific, generalized moaning is not only annoying, it’s bad form. No one is forcing you to come here, so it’s like inviting yourself over to someone’s house for dinner and then complaining about the food.
I, for one, enjoy Allah immensely and don’t want to be deprived of his unique ability to inform, analyze and entertain.
Buy Danish on June 11, 2009 at 4:10 PM
and just so there is no misunderstanding.
SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 4:00 PM
kahall on June 11, 2009 at 4:10 PM
I thought we had settled the NAZI on the left vs. the NAZI on the right in the other thread pretty thoroughly.
dpierson on June 11, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Oh, ok. Quite an argument, that.
Akzed on June 11, 2009 at 4:10 PM
So if the KKK called themselves the Freedom Party, you’d claim they were supporters of/allied with “freedom”?
Grow Fins on June 11, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Now which prominent American in government oversaw the crushing defeat of Hitler and the NAZI party? That’s right, Good Old Democrat Franklin Roosevelt (or Truman, technically).
Nice try, chump. Conservative isolationists in the GOP were the ones who kept the U.S. flat-footed while Hitler chewed up Europe.
And I’m sure this deranged individual shares the conservative viewpoint that the media, the Democratic Party, Congress and the President are all controlled by that EVIL JEW GEORGE SOROS.
Lizza on June 11, 2009 at 4:11 PM
words mean things…and when you practice socialism…like the NAZIS did, it seals the deal…fascism is just another form of socialism where the government controls everything and has ‘owners’ of companies in name only….its what we are doing with GM…government ownership…get a clue.
right4life on June 11, 2009 at 4:12 PM
This was the best unintentional troll EVAR.
For the record, I admire MM but her snark makes my short hairs curl. I can’t read her blog because of it.
Not that I’m not a fan of the snark–hell, I’m so sarcastic at times my wife could kill me. But too much of anything is just too much.
Exit Question: at what point did snark replace substance in AP and Michelle’s posts?
/flame on
unamused on June 11, 2009 at 4:12 PM
I think thats an unfair assessment unamused. I find both Mr.Morrissey’s and Allahpundits threads equally informative. They are both fair and openminded and their writing styles, although different, are clear concise and offering a skeptical, but not offensively so, point of view.
Im not sure what you find “e-tabloidy” about any of HotAir,but I am sure it wouldnt be a problem for you to find another blog that suits your tastes better.
Ed and Allah are some of the best bloggers in cyberspace IMHO.
canditaylor68 on June 11, 2009 at 4:13 PM
I wonder if we’d see yesterday’s thread trolls here.
Especially AprilOrit and hicsuget.
Aristotle on June 11, 2009 at 4:13 PM
I give Truman credit for choosing to drop the bomb, but the war was won by the fighting men and women on the ground. The government just had enough sense not to meddle too much.
dpierson on June 11, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Thats just not true… AP may be formulaic at times, which can be grating, but so was Joss Wheadon & Ron Moore. ;)
liquidflorian on June 11, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Gotta get those Zionists…
Upstater85 on June 11, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Sadly, no. For some people, NAZI only means the person you are politically opposed to. Hence, both sides pawn off the label on each other, nothing is gained, and the rest of the country looks at that behavior as representative of political debate.
And you wonder why people just don’t care…
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:14 PM
WTF!?! I’m so tired tired of people clumping em in with neo-nazis. The next time someone assumes a racists must be a conservative… Arrgghhh HULK SMASH
chicagojedi on June 11, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Rush did a pretty good job explaining how this shooter was NOT a right winger by any stretch of the imagination today on his show. Go to his website and read what he said about this guy once the site is updated with today’s show content. I was multi tasking at the time otherwise I would try to recap the highlights here. I just remember thinking at the time, zowie, I had no idea this guy was not a fringe right wingnut. Obviously the media is telling us this guy was a right winger. They won’t print the truth once it comes out he was a Democrat, etc.
karenhasfreedom on June 11, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Flaming idiot.
Buy Danish on June 11, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Just to clarify my previous post, I think it’s important to identify von Brunn’s motivation because it would explain who his next victims would have been, and so identify the people who were saved thanks to the security guards’ actions.
Yossarian on June 11, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Yeah, i too take Ed extermely seriously since he labeled Obama’s Holocaust denying Cairo speech as “Surprisingly good”.
Aristotle on June 11, 2009 at 4:15 PM
For the record, I love AP. It’s just that Allah hates me. I own that Googlebomb, because I suck.
The Other McCain on June 11, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Allah, here’s your Troll Spray. Please use generously and often.
Knucklehead on June 11, 2009 at 4:16 PM
try history 101…the communists in this country didn’t want us fighting Hitler as long as he was allied with Stalin…
right4life on June 11, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Ed has been known to post pictures of his yard, movie reviews, and a thought about Twitter. Every so often part of his show is spent talking about Star Trek. I’m not complaining, of course, and quite enjoy those threads. But don’t make it seem like we’ve got a tag-team of Bob Woodward and Bozo the Clown running the show.
On another mark, the author of the thread is clearly marked on the front page. If you don’t like what Allah writes, don’t read his work. Seeing that you don’t like the person’s work and then starting off the thread with a comment about how much you don’t like their work is just extra-douchy with douce sauce on top.
amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Sure, cause I’m so stupid and all.
The Nazi flag was in fact the red flag of Communism with an Aryan rune on it to designate both Socialism, and Aryan nationalism. Hence, National Socialists, NS, Nazi. Hitler’s policies were not free market-priented, but statist and centralized. Finally, he was all about groups: Jews, Germans, Slavs, etc peopled his nightmares and dreams. The individual meant nothing to him. I should expect that Mr. von Brunn suffered from the same tunnel vision, given his proclivities.
Akzed on June 11, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Could not of said it better
KBird on June 11, 2009 at 4:17 PM
eh, if he can’t find one he’ll just make something up I’m sure
Zetterson on June 11, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Bill Kristol is Jewish.
Jdripper on June 11, 2009 at 4:18 PM
We know. We’re waiting for it to be funny.
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:18 PM
It pretty much went like this:
* He hates Bush. (both of them)
* He hates the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
* Hates Jews and blacks.
* Holocaust denier.
* Hates Christians, especially Catholics.
* Doesn’t think Hitler went far enough.
* He is a 9-11 Troother.
kahall on June 11, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Hey, the left was making nice with Mussolini and Ford had a hankering for Hitler…
Upstater85 on June 11, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Nope, this is the most informative place for conservatives. Where did I say otherwise?
Please debate me on the merits of my actual argument, not what you perceive to be its implications.
And am I to deduce from your ‘love it or leave it’ statement that criticism is not allowed here? Reasonable people may not disagree? Or could it be that one of us is not being reasonable?
unamused on June 11, 2009 at 4:19 PM
oh and which president turned over eastern europe to Stalin??
thats right good old democRAT Roosevelt…and which turned over german POWs to Stalin after the war???
and what party made sure we pulled out of vietnam so the people of cambodia could enjoy the killing fields?
right4life on June 11, 2009 at 4:19 PM
How do you figure?
SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 4:20 PM
I’m not sure how long you have been around but this is a dead horse.
kahall on June 11, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Neo Nazis = right wing.
For fogh’s sakes stop doing this rightwing/leftwing bullshyte already.
I’m more rightwing than center or left, and I think rightwing nuts are just as dangerous as leftwing nuts. This whole “debate” about whether this piece of garbage was ‘right’ or ‘left’ disgusts me.
Admitting that he’s a rightwing nut does not make the center-right have to own him, or reflects badly on you, just as Bill Clinton not having to own Cynthia McKinney’s craziness.
Please no more idiotic rhetoric. Allah, you get enough of that from some of the readership here already. Don’t kowtow to them.
AlexB on June 11, 2009 at 4:20 PM
I’m Jewish btw.
SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Hm.
Could you please point me to posts on this site that discuss Soros as an “EVIL JEW”, to use your words, and not a hedge fund manager who has personally bankrolled organizations such as MoveOn?
MadisonConservative on June 11, 2009 at 4:21 PM
I think one of the point here is (or should be) how the MS treated this cowardly act of violence compared to the shooting in Arkansas.
That is an indication to me that the groundwork is being laid to make anyone on the “right” look like they are just one step away from committing murder. It follows that the only way to stop that is to remove weapons from anyone the though police deems to be on the “right”.
This is like the canary in the coalmine to me.
dpierson on June 11, 2009 at 4:21 PM
You mean like the left talked about how Bush, the Republican Party, Fox News, and talk radio were all controlled by that NEOCON RUPERT MURDOCH?
Don’t kid yourself. There are plenty on the left who aren’t exactly fans of the Jews. Keep in mind that Hitler was a socialist vegetarian who liked to dabble in the arts.
amerpundit on June 11, 2009 at 4:21 PM
The most vile antesemitism exists on the left , here in the US as well as in Europe. There was not a single anti- Israel demonstration (with appropriate signs that propose sending Jews back to the ovens and complimenting hitler) that was not organized by the left. There isn’t a single boycott of Israel that is not organized by the left(again, with appropriate signs advising Jews to go back to the ovens). Most of the academia , here and abroad – lefties, of course, are anti-Zionist and antisemitic. So, what was the question again ?
runner on June 11, 2009 at 4:22 PM
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