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	<title>Comments on: New Miss California: Marriage is between a man and a woman</title>
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		<title>By: kg598301</title>
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		<dc:creator>kg598301</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In that case, how come she just got canned by a clothing company too for failing to fulfill her promotional duties? Hmmm.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Hmmm. Because they&#039;re GAY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In that case, how come she just got canned by a clothing company too for failing to fulfill her promotional duties? Hmmm.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmmm. Because they&#8217;re GAY.</p>
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		<title>By: kg598301</title>
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		<dc:creator>kg598301</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, according to the Daily News, Chastity is indeed going to change from female to male…
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Whoa! Looks like she&#039;s already got a pretty good head start, pardon the expression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well, according to the Daily News, Chastity is indeed going to change from female to male…
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<p>Whoa! Looks like she&#8217;s already got a pretty good head start, pardon the expression.</p>
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		<title>By: mankai</title>
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		<dc:creator>mankai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 04:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As long as the state sticks it’s nose into marriage, who are we to say that Islamic law is wrong?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Every single state Constitution references God.

So apparently we&#039;ve been under Sharia Law since the 1700s and we just didn&#039;t know it. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As long as the state sticks it’s nose into marriage, who are we to say that Islamic law is wrong?</p></blockquote>
<p>Every single state Constitution references God.</p>
<p>So apparently we&#8217;ve been under Sharia Law since the 1700s and we just didn&#8217;t know it. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: leftnomore</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftnomore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the hottest girl CA could come up with?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the hottest girl CA could come up with?</p>
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		<title>By: AnninCA</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnninCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new Miss CA agrees with her political position on marriage.

Game, set, match.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new Miss CA agrees with her political position on marriage.</p>
<p>Game, set, match.</p>
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		<title>By: TTheoLogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>TTheoLogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“I don’t think that I have the right or anybody has a right to tell somebody who they can or can’t love.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s absolutely no biblical basis for this, at all.  You have a right to believe this, but don&#039;t claim to be a Christian and promote the idea of personal peace and affluency, since it is the polar opposite of everything in the bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“I don’t think that I have the right or anybody has a right to tell somebody who they can or can’t love.”</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s absolutely no biblical basis for this, at all.  You have a right to believe this, but don&#8217;t claim to be a Christian and promote the idea of personal peace and affluency, since it is the polar opposite of everything in the bible.</p>
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		<title>By: brennan251</title>
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		<dc:creator>brennan251</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zzzzz....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zzzzz&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: RobCon</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobCon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you notice that when the girl speaks the guy&#039;s lips move slightly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you notice that when the girl speaks the guy&#8217;s lips move slightly?</p>
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		<title>By: capejasmine</title>
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		<dc:creator>capejasmine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just gotta say....Prejean at least, stands on, and has some principles. 

This new Miss Cali, while cute, doesn&#039;t even come close to measuring up, as to having principles. Just a do what I need to, to get ahead mentality. Ugh. She&#039;ll probably be a movie star by next year. *sigh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just gotta say&#8230;.Prejean at least, stands on, and has some principles. </p>
<p>This new Miss Cali, while cute, doesn&#8217;t even come close to measuring up, as to having principles. Just a do what I need to, to get ahead mentality. Ugh. She&#8217;ll probably be a movie star by next year. *sigh*</p>
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		<title>By: EconomicNeocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>EconomicNeocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marriage should be between whoever a church wants it to be.  The state should not be involved.  As long as the state sticks it&#039;s nose into marriage, who are we to say that Islamic law is wrong?

The economic side of relationships can easily be handled by contract.  Churches could provide forms that are required to marry in that religion.  Like any other contract, the law should not protect a party from ignorance but fraud is a different story.

That leaves parental rights and responsibilities.  Those are already supposed to be handled independent of economics.  I believe it is as simple as mandating that bio or adopted parents are responsible for their children and that parental rights will be divided in a specified manner unless the best interests of the child(ren) dictate a different outcome.  Parents who tolerated the other before a break should face a high burden to demonstrate unfitness to parent once things break down.  The current gamesmanship in seeking &quot;custody&quot; to penalize or rob the other party needs to end.  I&#039;d advocate a licensure procedure (paid entirely by litigants&#039; fees) by which mental health professionals could apply to be on a rotating board of review in cases in which any psychological argument is being made.  Judges do not have the training to evaluate the medical facts and the hired guns that testify do not benefit the children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage should be between whoever a church wants it to be.  The state should not be involved.  As long as the state sticks it&#8217;s nose into marriage, who are we to say that Islamic law is wrong?</p>
<p>The economic side of relationships can easily be handled by contract.  Churches could provide forms that are required to marry in that religion.  Like any other contract, the law should not protect a party from ignorance but fraud is a different story.</p>
<p>That leaves parental rights and responsibilities.  Those are already supposed to be handled independent of economics.  I believe it is as simple as mandating that bio or adopted parents are responsible for their children and that parental rights will be divided in a specified manner unless the best interests of the child(ren) dictate a different outcome.  Parents who tolerated the other before a break should face a high burden to demonstrate unfitness to parent once things break down.  The current gamesmanship in seeking &#8220;custody&#8221; to penalize or rob the other party needs to end.  I&#8217;d advocate a licensure procedure (paid entirely by litigants&#8217; fees) by which mental health professionals could apply to be on a rotating board of review in cases in which any psychological argument is being made.  Judges do not have the training to evaluate the medical facts and the hired guns that testify do not benefit the children.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff from WI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff from WI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ah well, I’m from a Democratic family. And then, they aged. *haha (and got richer, I suppose.)

Anyway, shifting at my age is entirely in sync with my own family.

I’m never going to be a right-winger.

They are truly a bit like bugs under the microscope to me. I simply can’t imagine thinking that way.

AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 3:04 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ann, I grew up in a Democrat family too. My father was a staunch union Democrat, a huge bigot, an alcoholic and wife beater. I also grew up in a Catholic family. My parents had us attend a parish school where we learned all about God as we should. Of course, love for your neighbor ended if he was black or Hispanic. Funny, the other white kids parents I hung out with were mostly white, Catholic, bigoted and Democratic too. Since I couldn&#039;t come up with a reason to hate those &quot;damned n or those wet b&quot;, I decided to become a conservative Republican. I switched to Lutheran, (the Conservative NOT baby killer loving synod type), when my dad died when I was 18 and I tried to have the funeral at church, but alas, we were having a bad year and were behind in our &quot;volunteer contributions&quot;. 
So you see, Democrats aren&#039;t really like bugs under a microscope to me, they look like my idiot Obama loving, yet still bigoted, Democrat relatives, just looking for their government handouts. P. S. Just so it makes some sense, they claim  as a Muslim, he isn&#039;t really black.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ah well, I’m from a Democratic family. And then, they aged. *haha (and got richer, I suppose.)</p>
<p>Anyway, shifting at my age is entirely in sync with my own family.</p>
<p>I’m never going to be a right-winger.</p>
<p>They are truly a bit like bugs under the microscope to me. I simply can’t imagine thinking that way.</p>
<p>AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 3:04 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>Ann, I grew up in a Democrat family too. My father was a staunch union Democrat, a huge bigot, an alcoholic and wife beater. I also grew up in a Catholic family. My parents had us attend a parish school where we learned all about God as we should. Of course, love for your neighbor ended if he was black or Hispanic. Funny, the other white kids parents I hung out with were mostly white, Catholic, bigoted and Democratic too. Since I couldn&#8217;t come up with a reason to hate those &#8220;damned n or those wet b&#8221;, I decided to become a conservative Republican. I switched to Lutheran, (the Conservative NOT baby killer loving synod type), when my dad died when I was 18 and I tried to have the funeral at church, but alas, we were having a bad year and were behind in our &#8220;volunteer contributions&#8221;.<br />
So you see, Democrats aren&#8217;t really like bugs under a microscope to me, they look like my idiot Obama loving, yet still bigoted, Democrat relatives, just looking for their government handouts. P. S. Just so it makes some sense, they claim  as a Muslim, he isn&#8217;t really black.</p>
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		<title>By: James412</title>
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		<dc:creator>James412</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when did this debate become about who you can love?  I saw the commericials out here durining the election cycle also try to make the connection that somehow prop 8 was like a parent telling a child not to be around certain people and telling them who they can have as friends, and how &quot;no one has the right&quot;.  

That&#039;s why we are going to vote on it, because no one has the right, except if we vote on it, which we did and lost but, still you can&#039;t tell us.... so we&#039;ll get the courts involved to tell you what&#039;s right.  Because you don&#039;t have the...wait where was I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when did this debate become about who you can love?  I saw the commericials out here durining the election cycle also try to make the connection that somehow prop 8 was like a parent telling a child not to be around certain people and telling them who they can have as friends, and how &#8220;no one has the right&#8221;.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why we are going to vote on it, because no one has the right, except if we vote on it, which we did and lost but, still you can&#8217;t tell us&#8230;. so we&#8217;ll get the courts involved to tell you what&#8217;s right.  Because you don&#8217;t have the&#8230;wait where was I?</p>
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		<title>By: Saltysam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saltysam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A clothing company???

C’mon Allah…..it’s an easy one.

The Ugly American on June 11, 2009 at 10:16 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;


He caught you sleeping, Allah.

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A clothing company???</p>
<p>C’mon Allah…..it’s an easy one.</p>
<p>The Ugly American on June 11, 2009 at 10:16 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>He caught you sleeping, Allah.</p>
<p>;-)</p>
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		<title>By: JeffinSac</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffinSac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still waiting for them to state ONE example of a duty she didn&#039;t fulfill. 

My guess is Mr. Lewis demanded she appear at some GLBT event and she refused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still waiting for them to state ONE example of a duty she didn&#8217;t fulfill. </p>
<p>My guess is Mr. Lewis demanded she appear at some GLBT event and she refused.</p>
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		<title>By: Friday, June 12, 2009: Daily Handpicked Headlines :: Daily Uprising</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday, June 12, 2009: Daily Handpicked Headlines :: Daily Uprising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hot Air: New Miss California &#8211; Marriage is Between a Man and a Woman [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Geochelone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geochelone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;She’s definitely a troll and a moonbat.

Blake on June 12, 2009 at 12:10 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>She’s definitely a troll and a moonbat.</p>
<p>Blake on June 12, 2009 at 12:10 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: AnninCA</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnninCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sometimes liberals make observations I find startling in their accuracy, though I disagree with their remedies. These are puzzles that I’ve learned to give consideration as they help me improve my own “model” of what’s going on.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Ah well, I&#039;m from a Democratic family.  And then, they aged.  *haha  (and got richer, I suppose.)

Anyway, shifting at my age is entirely in sync with my own family.

I&#039;m never going to be a right-winger.

They are truly a bit like bugs under the microscope to me.  I simply can&#039;t imagine thinking that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sometimes liberals make observations I find startling in their accuracy, though I disagree with their remedies. These are puzzles that I’ve learned to give consideration as they help me improve my own “model” of what’s going on.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah well, I&#8217;m from a Democratic family.  And then, they aged.  *haha  (and got richer, I suppose.)</p>
<p>Anyway, shifting at my age is entirely in sync with my own family.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m never going to be a right-winger.</p>
<p>They are truly a bit like bugs under the microscope to me.  I simply can&#8217;t imagine thinking that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Loxodonta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loxodonta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Americannodash on June 11, 2009 at 10:18 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thank you for your kind words. I try to be good, but sometimes I am simply very trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Americannodash on June 11, 2009 at 10:18 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Thank you for your kind words. I try to be good, but sometimes I am simply very trying.</p>
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		<title>By: Feedie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feedie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; However, the trolls of Hot Air, using a narrow and technical definition, can be very frustrating, infuriating and sickening on a regular basis. It’s those commentators that trouble me.
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 1:30 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I guess everyone gets bugged by different things.  Some people do better cutting them down with witty replies.  Usually, I figure trolls are unreasonable and leave it to those with better pesticides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> However, the trolls of Hot Air, using a narrow and technical definition, can be very frustrating, infuriating and sickening on a regular basis. It’s those commentators that trouble me.<br />
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 1:30 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess everyone gets bugged by different things.  Some people do better cutting them down with witty replies.  Usually, I figure trolls are unreasonable and leave it to those with better pesticides.</p>
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		<title>By: Feedie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feedie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I always voted Democratic, but good gravy, I never meant that I agreed with everything.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 1:09 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Never meant to suggest you did.  As far as parties go, I&#039;ve been a lot harder on Republicans for denying voters a choice by playing the lesser-of-evils card.  The two-headed hydra has things rigged into one ruling class.

&lt;blockquote&gt;This new world of highly defined labeling and partisanship and such anger is really quite beyond me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No labeling system is perfect, but leftist vs. non-leftist is an alternative that makes more sense to me.  At worst, leftists are patently dishonest, emotion based, and anti-logic.  At best, they are well-meaning people who discarded absolutes.  They are angered and dumb-founded by the resistance of those who don&#039;t like society being constantly up-ended to satisfy their changing visions of &quot;nice.&quot;

&lt;em&gt;Non-leftist&lt;/em&gt; covers a lot of territory, including liberals who might change their minds when exposed to new information and proof.  I thought that definition might be useful to Loxondata as there was confusion about posters.

Sometimes liberals make observations I find startling in their accuracy, though I disagree with their remedies.  These are puzzles that I&#039;ve learned to give consideration as they help me improve my own &quot;model&quot; of what&#039;s going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I always voted Democratic, but good gravy, I never meant that I agreed with everything.<br />
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 1:09 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>Never meant to suggest you did.  As far as parties go, I&#8217;ve been a lot harder on Republicans for denying voters a choice by playing the lesser-of-evils card.  The two-headed hydra has things rigged into one ruling class.</p>
<blockquote><p>This new world of highly defined labeling and partisanship and such anger is really quite beyond me.</p></blockquote>
<p>No labeling system is perfect, but leftist vs. non-leftist is an alternative that makes more sense to me.  At worst, leftists are patently dishonest, emotion based, and anti-logic.  At best, they are well-meaning people who discarded absolutes.  They are angered and dumb-founded by the resistance of those who don&#8217;t like society being constantly up-ended to satisfy their changing visions of &#8220;nice.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>Non-leftist</em> covers a lot of territory, including liberals who might change their minds when exposed to new information and proof.  I thought that definition might be useful to Loxondata as there was confusion about posters.</p>
<p>Sometimes liberals make observations I find startling in their accuracy, though I disagree with their remedies.  These are puzzles that I&#8217;ve learned to give consideration as they help me improve my own &#8220;model&#8221; of what&#8217;s going on.</p>
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		<dc:creator>smfoushee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Ms. Prejean did not have a contract and her lawyer was in the middle of clarifying Trump&#039;s request when they fired her, then she should sue for breach of contract and defamation of character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Ms. Prejean did not have a contract and her lawyer was in the middle of clarifying Trump&#8217;s request when they fired her, then she should sue for breach of contract and defamation of character.</p>
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		<title>By: Loxodonta</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Feedie on June 12, 2009 at 12:59 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Some of the most interesting conversations I&#039;ve ever had is with thoughtful, patient, caring people who completely disagree with me on many, many things. I learn this way.

I see no reason to target certain individuals because they disagree, or are sometimes disagreeable, or sometimes go off the topic of a conversation, as I have done here. (Please forgive me, Allahpundit.) However, the trolls of Hot Air, using a narrow and technical definition, can be very frustrating, infuriating and sickening on a regular basis. It&#039;s those commentators that trouble me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Feedie on June 12, 2009 at 12:59 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>Some of the most interesting conversations I&#8217;ve ever had is with thoughtful, patient, caring people who completely disagree with me on many, many things. I learn this way.</p>
<p>I see no reason to target certain individuals because they disagree, or are sometimes disagreeable, or sometimes go off the topic of a conversation, as I have done here. (Please forgive me, Allahpundit.) However, the trolls of Hot Air, using a narrow and technical definition, can be very frustrating, infuriating and sickening on a regular basis. It&#8217;s those commentators that trouble me.</p>
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		<title>By: AnninCA</title>
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		<description>Gee, Feedie.....great post.

I always voted Democratic, but good gravy, I never meant that I agreed with everything.

This new world of highly defined labeling and partisanship and such anger is really quite beyond me.

I have no choice, personally, but simply ignore it.  Anyone who is that locked in just is odd to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, Feedie&#8230;..great post.</p>
<p>I always voted Democratic, but good gravy, I never meant that I agreed with everything.</p>
<p>This new world of highly defined labeling and partisanship and such anger is really quite beyond me.</p>
<p>I have no choice, personally, but simply ignore it.  Anyone who is that locked in just is odd to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Feedie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feedie</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Loxodonta on June 11, 2009 at 11:44 PM
“concern trolls.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Former senator Tom Daschle was always &lt;em&gt;concerned&lt;/em&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And then, there are commentators who are not conservative or libertarian, but are not trolls. They just have very different views. &lt;strong&gt;Finally, conservatives and libertarians are often very individual thinkers&lt;/strong&gt; who will not conform on one or many of “our issues.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Tammy Bruce said leading conservatives is like trying to herd cats.  That is as it should be in America.  The one missing piece is leadership.  For me, it makes more sense to categorize as leftist vs. non-leftist.  The leftists are the Ozombie lock-steppers -- those who speak in mantras.  Change is possible for some of them, but mainly they are locked into their political religion and unreachable.

Non-leftists run the gamut due to different information and life-experiences.  HA is a non-leftist site where people can share and have differences of opinion.

Outside the framework of the left, it&#039;s no big deal to disagree when there is honest reasoning or related experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Loxodonta on June 11, 2009 at 11:44 PM<br />
“concern trolls.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Former senator Tom Daschle was always <em>concerned</em>.</p>
<blockquote><p>And then, there are commentators who are not conservative or libertarian, but are not trolls. They just have very different views. <strong>Finally, conservatives and libertarians are often very individual thinkers</strong> who will not conform on one or many of “our issues.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Tammy Bruce said leading conservatives is like trying to herd cats.  That is as it should be in America.  The one missing piece is leadership.  For me, it makes more sense to categorize as leftist vs. non-leftist.  The leftists are the Ozombie lock-steppers &#8212; those who speak in mantras.  Change is possible for some of them, but mainly they are locked into their political religion and unreachable.</p>
<p>Non-leftists run the gamut due to different information and life-experiences.  HA is a non-leftist site where people can share and have differences of opinion.</p>
<p>Outside the framework of the left, it&#8217;s no big deal to disagree when there is honest reasoning or related experience.</p>
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		<title>By: TheSitRep</title>
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		<description>We really should be looking to these ladies to solve the Palestinian/Israel issue. They&#039;d have it figured out in no time.

When you have a brain trust like this, I say use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We really should be looking to these ladies to solve the Palestinian/Israel issue. They&#8217;d have it figured out in no time.</p>
<p>When you have a brain trust like this, I say use it.</p>
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