New Miss California: Marriage is between a man and a woman
posted at 9:10 pm on June 11, 2009 by Allahpundit
Ah, the irony. If only it were true. The transcript makes it sound like she agrees with Cavuto when he suggests marriage is for straights only, but after watching the clip it looks to me like she’s vacantly trying to come up with the most politic response possible. Skip ahead to 2:55. She does say “mm hmm” when he asks her, but it’s almost as if she didn’t hear the question, especially given how quickly she moves to qualify her answer. Which, by the way, is incoherent:
“I don’t think that I have the right or anybody has a right to tell somebody who they can or can’t love. And I think that this is a civil rights issue. And I think that the right thing to do is let the voters decide.”
No one has the right to tell anyone whom they can marry — except, um, the voters. Better study those flashcards a little more closely before the next interview.
Carrie Prejean’s on with Hannity tonight (which should be airing as I post this) to explain how, contra what pageant officials claim, she met all of her responsibilities as Miss Cali. In that case, how come she just got canned by a clothing company too for failing to fulfill her promotional duties? Hmmm.
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Cheshire Cat on June 11, 2009 at 10:12 PM
This thread is so banal
blatantblue on June 11, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Yeah, and platitudinous. Movin on.
faol on June 11, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Get a brain wasn’t the only one to get a twin that day….
hey blatant, wheres your counterpart obviousorange?
FontanaConservative on June 11, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Ummm…I believe we did and the decision was to go for opposite marriage.
But you go on honey — you’re doing just fine.
*snicker*
The Ugly American on June 11, 2009 at 10:14 PM
If you have five dollars and Carrie Prejean has five dollars, Carrie Prejean has more money than you.
There is no ‘ctrl’ button on Carrie Prejean’s computer. Carrie Prejean is always in control.
Apple pays Carrie Prejean 99 cents every time she listens to a song.
Carrie Prejean can sneeze with her eyes open.
Carrie Prejean can eat just one Lay’s potato chip.
Carrie Prejean is suing Myspace for taking the name of what she calls everything around you.
Carrie Prejean destroyed the periodic table, because she only recognizes the element of surprise.
Carrie Prejean can kill two stones with one bird.
This new girl is no Carrie Prejean.
rollthedice on June 11, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Stop citing evidence for a position that you would hold regardless of evidence.
spmat on June 11, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Oh Lord! Two questions.
1.How would know that?
2.Why would I want to?
Oldnuke on June 11, 2009 at 10:16 PM
A clothing company???
C’mon Allah…..it’s an easy one.
The Ugly American on June 11, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Totally NOT tasteless
i liked
but i was slow on the uptake.
blatantblue on June 11, 2009 at 10:16 PM
There are very few things as interesting or as stimulating as the thoughts of beauty pageant contestants on the issues of the day.
I’m glued, AP. Please tell me they asked her about North Korea.
mankai on June 11, 2009 at 10:16 PM
….still clear the cookie….
coldwarrior on June 11,2009 at 10:05PM.
coldwarrior: Thank-you for the tip:)
canopfor on June 11, 2009 at 10:17 PM
I don’t know the meaning of what she said and I don’t believe she did either.
Cheshire Cat on June 11, 2009 at 10:17 PM
LOL……stealin’ that one.
The Ugly American on June 11, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Loxodonta on June 11, 2009 at 10:08 PM
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I have read your comments here for quite awhile. I respect yout POV. Your one of the many good commenters here that make me laugh and enlighten me with your thoughts on all of the HA posts.
Americannodash on June 11, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Why do any of you care what any of these airheaded beauty queens think about anything? Prejean doesn’t seem completely moronic, but it’s not like she deserved the platform her opinion on some irrelevant fringe issue provided for her. But all the attention suddenly paid to her supposedly bold stance and never-before-heard insight made her forget that nobody’s really interested in much more than ogling her in a bikini.
Surely Cavuto has something more relevant to discuss, or at least someone more worthy of interviewing.
Sign of the Dollar on June 11, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Obama is hijacking the economy and trying to destroy the most successful economic system in the history of the planet… but where would we be if Cavuto didn’t investigate the insights available from the runner-up of a state beauty contest?
The Constitution can wait! How would Miss South Dakota handle the situation in Iran? It is in that kind of digging that real journalism makes a difference.
mankai on June 11, 2009 at 10:24 PM
All conservatives believe that opposition to gay marriage is support for instrusive government.
SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Loxodonta!
I found the thread you were looking for. But, I’ll save you the time to find it:
gotmylifeback aka getalife
Lizza
afrolib
teresa
one that hasn’t come out yet but is here
SouthernGal
Palin Steel aka The Wall?
Hick
strangelet
Blake on June 11, 2009 at 10:30 PM
You’re on fire today, Allah.
LibTired (KO) on June 11, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Well, I never heard that before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
Cheshire Cat on June 11, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Twilight is on cable tonight!
mankai on June 11, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Blake on June 11, 2009 at 10:30 PM
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May also add: dutchwolf to the list.
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He might have gotten banned aready. Had an exchange last night on the Scarborough thread on page 8.
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Also, when I see a Govenor shooting at animals from a helicoptor, she deserves the same.
Dutchwolf on June 11, 2009 at 1:30 AM
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You won’t be around long. See you in the next………..
Americannodash on June 11, 2009 at 2:19 AM
Americannodash on June 11, 2009 at 10:53 PM
The scuttlebutt:
Carrie’s lawyer claims she was fired over a book she’s writing. The Donald’s camp wanted a guarantee that she wouldn’t say anything bad about the whole Miss U.S.A. kerfuffle but she couldn’t agree to that that.
Buy Danish on June 11, 2009 at 11:07 PM
Thanks. Here’s what I got so far with posting evidence to prove it:
SouthernGal (return of nice343?)
nice343 (banned 5/21/09)
GrowFins
DeathToMediaHacks (gone?)
Lizza
benny shakar
orange
Afrolib
strangelet (last posted 5/31/09)
getalife (banned 4/27/09)
g0tmylifeback (getalife returned? 6/10/09)
Teresa
I am not including non-conformists and other questionable characters, like me.
That one looks bad. What thread was that, please?
Loxodonta on June 11, 2009 at 11:08 PM
solid list, loxo
blatantblue on June 11, 2009 at 11:15 PM
Do you think that *gasp* that contractual obligation may have been “remain as Ms. California for the rest of the year”?
Far too many here are too willing to believe the same media that blatantly tried to destroy this woman.
DethMetalCookieMonst on June 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM
LOL…you think she wants to step into the outrage meat grinder?
ddrintn on June 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/10/scarborough-wonders-is-palin-still-a-viable-presidential-candidate/comment-page-8/#comments
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Loxodonta on June 11, 2009 at 11:08 PM
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What you have documented here is an inferred assault upon a sitting U.S. governor. You will be banned & expect a knock on your door just too see how your doing & ask why you wrote.
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Also, when I see a Govenor shooting at animals from a helicoptor, she deserves the same.
Dutchwolf on June 11, 2009 at 1:30 AM
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Americannodash on June 11, 2009 at 2:52 AM
Americannodash on June 11, 2009 at 11:19 PM
Loxodonta on June 11, 2009 at 11:08 PM
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I think I should reconsider myself to be a supporter of the republicans, when you are like this way in a disciussion, you guys are totally out of the world……..stupid, ignorant, and again stupid……WOW
Goodnight
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Dutchwolf on June 11, 2009 at 3:28 AM
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Also, when I see a Govenor shooting at animals from a helicoptor, she deserves the same.
Dutchwolf on June 11, 2009 at 1:30 AM
AMTime traveler, I’m not making a death treath, there you get me wrong. Totally wrong. I only mean to make a point that Mrs. palin is not the messiah as neither Hussein is,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Dutchwolf on June 11, 2009 at 3:02 AM
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Dude if you don’t see a death threat in your 1:30 AM post, you need a new translator. For a self proclaimed smart guy you’re not so smart.
infidel on June 11, 2009 at 3:07 AM
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Americannodash on June 11, 2009 at 11:26 PM
g0tmylifeback admitted she was getalife and had returned after her banning.
nice342, typical of most leftards, was antisemitic. I doubt if the new nutter, SouthernGal, is her since she claims she is Jewish, though she is also a pathological liar.
Oh, we forgot AnninCA.
Blake on June 11, 2009 at 11:41 PM
Trolls have been identified and catalogued.
Liberal icons have been sufficiently besmirched.
Data has been reviewed and analyzed.
Hot babes have been duly praised.
All is well.
whitetop on June 11, 2009 at 11:44 PM
Thanks very much. Have read through those. I’m starting a “watch list” of commentators who are nonconforming, and sometimes post trollish comments, but may or may not be trolls. Some are very difficult for me to figure out, for example the so-called “concern trolls.”
And then, there are commentators who are not conservative or libertarian, but are not trolls. They just have very different views. Finally, conservatives and libertarians are often very individual thinkers who will not conform on one or many of “our issues.” It’s difficult for all of us to express an opinion without offending at least someone, at least sometime.
So, while other’s may have different views on such a list list, I only want to list those whose behavior is overtly and almost uniformly that of a troll. I’ll keep it handy with links to several examples of their behavior. God knows whether ti will be of any use, but it does help me keep a little bit better track of the goings on here.
Loxodonta on June 11, 2009 at 11:44 PM
It’s all over the news that Chasity Bono had a sex operation and is now Chad Bono.
Years ago, I would see her all the time on the 118 traveling west in a Porsche convertible. She didn’t look too bad.
I wonder if she will grow a beard? Maybe AP can giver her some tips?
Blake on June 11, 2009 at 11:45 PM
LOL – Cue up the Perez Hilton and Andrew Sullivan screeching and caterwauling.
I’m sure that if they keep looking hard enough, they’ll find one who states unequivocally that she supports gay marriage, and that all people opposed to it should be ground up into hamburger by a Transformer.
And then we can finally move on from this one.
Gator Country on June 11, 2009 at 11:48 PM
So far, I believe this is a traditional liberal with some views that overlap with conservatives and libertarians on a few issues. But sometimes I do wonder.
Of course, I also wonder about you. And then, there’s me, too, so… If only one of us was an adult like Janet Napolitano, then all would be well. Lighten up cons! Right, whitetop?
Loxodonta on June 11, 2009 at 11:51 PM
Loxodonta on June 11, 2009 at 11:44 PM
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OK
Americannodash on June 11, 2009 at 11:53 PM
She’s definitely a troll and a moonbat.
Blake on June 12, 2009 at 12:10 AM
New Ms CA on Greta was a bit clearer than on Cavuto. She said it was a civil rights issue. She supports rights for everyone. And so forth and so on without saying a “yes” or “no” to Greta. My guess is she does not care, and is on the side of those who support her. Those who support her, support gay marriage. Therefore, the new MS CA is for gay marriage.
freeus on June 12, 2009 at 12:15 AM
I don’t read everything, so I’ll do some research.
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 12:16 AM
Seriously, please tell me you didn’t really just ask that question. I know you’re not THAT naive.
You have to be aware that the gay mobs have been harassing every business with even the slightest sponsorship of the pageant, right? Come on. Really? You’re just teasing, right?
Even setting that aside, I’m pretty sure it’s also occurred to you that it’s probably standard procedure in such a contract to include a clause that voids the agreement if she loses her crown for any reason that might tarnish their image?
DING DING DING DING DING! You think?
Gregor on June 12, 2009 at 12:32 AM
That’s pretty much me. But, voting is just as Bill Clinton described. You have to decide priorities when voting.
I’m very open to solid GOP candidates, if I sense they could actually add to the brainpower.
Stupid is stupid, regardless of party line.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Carrie is an opportunist, clearly. Those contracts are the deal. Show up or get fired.
She didn’t bother to show up, even after Trump backed her.
I think, personally, it won’t work out well for her in the end.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 12:42 AM
We really should be looking to these ladies to solve the Palestinian/Israel issue. They’d have it figured out in no time.
When you have a brain trust like this, I say use it.
TheSitRep on June 12, 2009 at 12:46 AM
Former senator Tom Daschle was always concerned.
Tammy Bruce said leading conservatives is like trying to herd cats. That is as it should be in America. The one missing piece is leadership. For me, it makes more sense to categorize as leftist vs. non-leftist. The leftists are the Ozombie lock-steppers — those who speak in mantras. Change is possible for some of them, but mainly they are locked into their political religion and unreachable.
Non-leftists run the gamut due to different information and life-experiences. HA is a non-leftist site where people can share and have differences of opinion.
Outside the framework of the left, it’s no big deal to disagree when there is honest reasoning or related experience.
Feedie on June 12, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Gee, Feedie…..great post.
I always voted Democratic, but good gravy, I never meant that I agreed with everything.
This new world of highly defined labeling and partisanship and such anger is really quite beyond me.
I have no choice, personally, but simply ignore it. Anyone who is that locked in just is odd to me.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 1:09 AM
Some of the most interesting conversations I’ve ever had is with thoughtful, patient, caring people who completely disagree with me on many, many things. I learn this way.
I see no reason to target certain individuals because they disagree, or are sometimes disagreeable, or sometimes go off the topic of a conversation, as I have done here. (Please forgive me, Allahpundit.) However, the trolls of Hot Air, using a narrow and technical definition, can be very frustrating, infuriating and sickening on a regular basis. It’s those commentators that trouble me.
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 1:30 AM
If Ms. Prejean did not have a contract and her lawyer was in the middle of clarifying Trump’s request when they fired her, then she should sue for breach of contract and defamation of character.
smfoushee on June 12, 2009 at 1:51 AM
Never meant to suggest you did. As far as parties go, I’ve been a lot harder on Republicans for denying voters a choice by playing the lesser-of-evils card. The two-headed hydra has things rigged into one ruling class.
No labeling system is perfect, but leftist vs. non-leftist is an alternative that makes more sense to me. At worst, leftists are patently dishonest, emotion based, and anti-logic. At best, they are well-meaning people who discarded absolutes. They are angered and dumb-founded by the resistance of those who don’t like society being constantly up-ended to satisfy their changing visions of “nice.”
Non-leftist covers a lot of territory, including liberals who might change their minds when exposed to new information and proof. I thought that definition might be useful to Loxondata as there was confusion about posters.
Sometimes liberals make observations I find startling in their accuracy, though I disagree with their remedies. These are puzzles that I’ve learned to give consideration as they help me improve my own “model” of what’s going on.
Feedie on June 12, 2009 at 2:07 AM
I guess everyone gets bugged by different things. Some people do better cutting them down with witty replies. Usually, I figure trolls are unreasonable and leave it to those with better pesticides.
Feedie on June 12, 2009 at 2:13 AM
Thank you for your kind words. I try to be good, but sometimes I am simply very trying.
Loxodonta on June 12, 2009 at 3:03 AM
Ah well, I’m from a Democratic family. And then, they aged. *haha (and got richer, I suppose.)
Anyway, shifting at my age is entirely in sync with my own family.
I’m never going to be a right-winger.
They are truly a bit like bugs under the microscope to me. I simply can’t imagine thinking that way.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 3:04 AM
Agreed.
Geochelone on June 12, 2009 at 4:15 AM
I am still waiting for them to state ONE example of a duty she didn’t fulfill.
My guess is Mr. Lewis demanded she appear at some GLBT event and she refused.
JeffinSac on June 12, 2009 at 7:45 AM
He caught you sleeping, Allah.
;-)
Saltysam on June 12, 2009 at 8:45 AM
Since when did this debate become about who you can love? I saw the commericials out here durining the election cycle also try to make the connection that somehow prop 8 was like a parent telling a child not to be around certain people and telling them who they can have as friends, and how “no one has the right”.
That’s why we are going to vote on it, because no one has the right, except if we vote on it, which we did and lost but, still you can’t tell us…. so we’ll get the courts involved to tell you what’s right. Because you don’t have the…wait where was I?
James412 on June 12, 2009 at 9:26 AM
Ann, I grew up in a Democrat family too. My father was a staunch union Democrat, a huge bigot, an alcoholic and wife beater. I also grew up in a Catholic family. My parents had us attend a parish school where we learned all about God as we should. Of course, love for your neighbor ended if he was black or Hispanic. Funny, the other white kids parents I hung out with were mostly white, Catholic, bigoted and Democratic too. Since I couldn’t come up with a reason to hate those “damned n or those wet b”, I decided to become a conservative Republican. I switched to Lutheran, (the Conservative NOT baby killer loving synod type), when my dad died when I was 18 and I tried to have the funeral at church, but alas, we were having a bad year and were behind in our “volunteer contributions”.
So you see, Democrats aren’t really like bugs under a microscope to me, they look like my idiot Obama loving, yet still bigoted, Democrat relatives, just looking for their government handouts. P. S. Just so it makes some sense, they claim as a Muslim, he isn’t really black.
Jeff from WI on June 12, 2009 at 10:09 AM
Marriage should be between whoever a church wants it to be. The state should not be involved. As long as the state sticks it’s nose into marriage, who are we to say that Islamic law is wrong?
The economic side of relationships can easily be handled by contract. Churches could provide forms that are required to marry in that religion. Like any other contract, the law should not protect a party from ignorance but fraud is a different story.
That leaves parental rights and responsibilities. Those are already supposed to be handled independent of economics. I believe it is as simple as mandating that bio or adopted parents are responsible for their children and that parental rights will be divided in a specified manner unless the best interests of the child(ren) dictate a different outcome. Parents who tolerated the other before a break should face a high burden to demonstrate unfitness to parent once things break down. The current gamesmanship in seeking “custody” to penalize or rob the other party needs to end. I’d advocate a licensure procedure (paid entirely by litigants’ fees) by which mental health professionals could apply to be on a rotating board of review in cases in which any psychological argument is being made. Judges do not have the training to evaluate the medical facts and the hired guns that testify do not benefit the children.
EconomicNeocon on June 12, 2009 at 10:25 AM
I just gotta say….Prejean at least, stands on, and has some principles.
This new Miss Cali, while cute, doesn’t even come close to measuring up, as to having principles. Just a do what I need to, to get ahead mentality. Ugh. She’ll probably be a movie star by next year. *sigh*
capejasmine on June 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Have you notice that when the girl speaks the guy’s lips move slightly?
RobCon on June 12, 2009 at 12:17 PM
zzzzz….
brennan251 on June 12, 2009 at 1:30 PM
There’s absolutely no biblical basis for this, at all. You have a right to believe this, but don’t claim to be a Christian and promote the idea of personal peace and affluency, since it is the polar opposite of everything in the bible.
TTheoLogan on June 12, 2009 at 3:08 PM
The new Miss CA agrees with her political position on marriage.
Game, set, match.
AnninCA on June 12, 2009 at 3:33 PM
That’s the hottest girl CA could come up with?
leftnomore on June 12, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Every single state Constitution references God.
So apparently we’ve been under Sharia Law since the 1700s and we just didn’t know it. Thanks!
mankai on June 13, 2009 at 12:23 AM
Whoa! Looks like she’s already got a pretty good head start, pardon the expression.
kg598301 on June 13, 2009 at 1:53 AM
Hmmm. Because they’re GAY.
kg598301 on June 13, 2009 at 1:55 AM
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