Act now to stop bailout for the IMF, European banks

posted at 12:15 pm on June 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Erick Erickson at RedState has a list of Blue Dog Democrats that have opposed the Obama administration’s $100 billion bailout of the International Monetary Fund, but who are now wavering.  Why?  According to Erick’s sources, Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has come to Capitol Hill as Monty Hall, playing Let’s Make a Deal to get the IMF bailout passed.

Even if we could afford all of the cash we’ve spent bailing out our own financial institutions, we can’t afford to bail out Europe at the same time.  The IMF bailout would do nothing for our own financial strength; in fact, as a breaking report from the Wall Street Journal shows, we’d essentially be funding an attack on the dollar:

Brazil and Russia are set to unload U.S. Treasury bonds as they acquire $10 billion each of new International Monetary Fund securities designed to bolster the institution’s aid programs, officials in the countries said Wednesday.

The moves are part of a bid by the so-called BRIC nations — Brazil, Russia, India and China — to play a bigger role at the IMF and other international institutions. The announcements helped push Treasury yields to their highest level this year on concern that rising U.S. debt has hurt T-bill demand among big holders of U.S. dollar reserves.

Instead of just holding the $100 billion and demonstrating a modicum of fiscal sanity, we would act to strengthen the competition to Treasuries.  The US has had to pay out higher yields on these bonds precisely because investors have less confidence in our ability to repay, thanks to wild spending by the Obama administration.  Now Brazil and Russia plan to dump Treasuries on the market in favor of IMF securities — and we’re going to make the IMF bonds more attractive by increasing the deficit spending that created the impulse to dump the Treasuries?  In what universe does anyone think this is a sane and rational policy?

Let Brazil and Russia bolster the IMF.  The Obama administration and the Democrats want to pour gasoline on a wildfire.  The spending spree by Obama, Geithner, & Co is out of control, and Congress has to pull the plug.  Make the calls today, as the vote will likely come tonight.

Update: According to this post at Firedoglake — which opposes the entire thing — the White House and Democratic leadership have attached the “Cash for Clunkers” proposal as an amendment to sweeten the pot.  Thyey’re pegging the cost of the Clunker Program at $4 billion, but that would fund 1 million trade-ins — not the 25 million Democrats estimated would be eligible.  Even the Detroit Free Press questions the wisdom of this program:

The price tag on the House-passed bill is pegged at $4 billion — and that’s on top of the billions already propping up Detroit’s bankrupt pair and a number of industry suppliers. Plus, the legislation doesn’t specify that your new vehicle has to come from a U.S. company or even an American factory.

I suspect a lot of people will do the math and decide this is a deal they can’t afford. Here’s why: If your old car or truck gets less than 18 m.p.g., you can qualify for a voucher of $3,500-$4,500 toward a new one, but the old one has to go the shredder. (The idea, after all, is to get ’em off the road.)

So the credit is all you get, no trade-in value. (You might be better off with a conventional trade-in.) Even with the credit, you’re going to spend $10,000-$15,000 or more for new wheels. Now, if you’ve been driving an older vehicle because you can’t afford a new one or aren’t sure you’ll have a job next month, are you really ready to take on a car payment? Can you even get credit?

If you’re buying a new car, it has to get at least 22 m.p.g. If it’s a new truck or SUV — which most of these will be since few cars get less than 22 m.p.g. — you only have to buy something that gets 2 m.p.g. better to qualify for the credit. But even at $3 a gallon, will the savings in gasoline be enough for you to manage a car payment?

The entire idea is ludicrous, as I explained yesterday; it reduces the current value of autos to $0, an asset drain that many Americans won’t appreciate at all.  It also spends money that the government doesn’t have to fund car purchases most Americans can’t afford and entices them to extend their liabilities when excessive credit is one of the problems at the root of the financial collapse.  If that’s supposed to sweeten the pot, it just demonstrates the lack of critical thinking at the White House.

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If someone deliberately wanted to tank the dollar and this country, what, exactly would they do differently than what Obama is doing?

lorien1973 on June 11, 2009 at 12:18 PM

I have never believed that Obama was intentionally out to destroy America. I thought it was just misguided, left wing, Marxist ideology.

I’m starting to rethink that whole thing.

Star20 on June 11, 2009 at 12:20 PM

…what, exactly would they do differently than what Obama is doing?

lorien1973 on June 11, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Absolutely nothing.

-Dave

Dave R. on June 11, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Ohh…

You KNOW something is wrong when firedoglake starts questioning Obama…

Skywise on June 11, 2009 at 12:21 PM

If someone deliberately wanted to tank the dollar and this country, what, exactly would they do differently than what Obama is doing?

lorien1973 on June 11, 2009 at 12:18 PM

It’s time to start preparing a list of crimes against Americans for the upcoming treason trial against the leaders of this administration. Emanuel needs to be frog-marched out of the White House followed quickly by the bastard that is his boss.

highhopes on June 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM

If someone deliberately wanted to tank the dollar and this country, what, exactly would they do differently than what Obama is doing?

lorien1973 on June 11, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Infuriating, isn’t it?

PBoilermaker on June 11, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Obama is just following the financial plan Soros gave him in exchange for the millions in campaign funds; Soros has done this before.

Mr. Bingley on June 11, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Funding the demise of our own dollar. Glad you picked up on this as many haven’t.

voiceofreason on June 11, 2009 at 12:23 PM

If someone deliberately wanted to tank the dollar and this country…

Smells like Soros.

tru2tx on June 11, 2009 at 12:23 PM

It’s 3 AM at the White House. Theres a message on the Backberry. It’s George Soros. What are you going to do Mr. President? What are you going to do?

red winger on June 11, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Soros recently added a second felony conviction in Hungary. Now he has his claws in climate fears/change.

Not the Soros I knew.

seven on June 11, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Contact your local Blue Dog

Upstater85 on June 11, 2009 at 12:25 PM

If someone deliberately wanted to tank the dollar and this country, what, exactly would they do differently than what Obama is doing?

lorien1973 on June 11, 2009 at 12:18 PM

They would have officially named George Soros as Secretary of the Treasury.

ICBM on June 11, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Guys we need a weakened and defunct America to save the world.

Riposte on June 11, 2009 at 12:25 PM

If someone deliberately wanted to tank the dollar and this country, what, exactly would they do differently than what Obama is doing?

lorien1973 on June 11, 2009 at 12:18 PM

But tanking the dollar is an essential part of ridding the world of US hegemony, doncha know?

promachus on June 11, 2009 at 12:25 PM

The inmates are truly running the asylum now…. I mean the adults are in charge now..spendy, irresponsible adults.

jukin on June 11, 2009 at 12:25 PM

It’s time to start preparing a list of crimes against Americans for the upcoming treason trial against the leaders of this administration. Emanuel needs to be frog-marched out of the White House followed quickly by the bastard that is his boss.

highhopes on June 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Y’know… I really don’t want to go there… but we’ve almost crossed the line here into gross dereliction of duty.

Skywise on June 11, 2009 at 12:26 PM

This is one of the best cartoons I have viewed representing Obama and the Media’s relationship.

http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2009/06/political-corruption-roundup.html

Dr Evil on June 11, 2009 at 12:26 PM

If someone deliberately wanted to tank the dollar and this country, what, exactly would they do differently than what Obama is doing?

lorien1973 on June 11, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Not much, if anything. Again, it’s a spin on the Cloward-Piven strategy. Create a massive national crisis and then “rescue” it by implementing full-blown radical socialism/marxism. Meanwhile Soros gets wealthy out the wazoo on the dollar’s collapse. Soros is behind Obama and ACORN, which completes the circle.

Daggett on June 11, 2009 at 12:26 PM

No funds for the IMF.
No funds for the UN.

The BRICs have the UN and IMF.

WashJeff on June 11, 2009 at 12:27 PM

This administration is doing everything it can to even the playing field. Cap and Trade will erode the economy and make us less competitive internationally. Rewarding the Unions make our auto industry less competitive than foreign auto companies. Paying the IMF will strengthen Russia and China who will cease buying US Treasuries. Eliminate our nuclear arsenal while ushering in the nuclear arsenal on the pacific rim and in the middle east.

Change is one thing. But this change is going from being champion to chump. We are going to be a third world nation if these policies go through. Change indeed.

ThackerAgency on June 11, 2009 at 12:29 PM

This is to methodical and far reaching not to be intentional,which is why its so scary.

LSUMama on June 11, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Hey Barry, what happened to that pay-as-you-go BS you fed us a couple days ago?

I guess Turbo Timmy really didn’t misspeak when he said we’re considering a global currency or something like that.

Knucklehead on June 11, 2009 at 12:31 PM

If these criminals ever get kicked out of office and things ever get sane again, I recommend going into the business of selling orange jumpsuits. There’s going to be a BIG market for them.

Daggett on June 11, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Can you see hunters strapping a huge deer on top of their Prius?

djaymick on June 11, 2009 at 12:33 PM

YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEE——-HHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

THEM PRINTING PRESSES ARE GOING FULL SPEED NOW, BABY!

(sips jug of whiskey, twirles hat in the air, lights American Flag on fire)

YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEE-FRICKEN-HHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

Seven Percent Solution on June 11, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Ohh…

You KNOW something is wrong when firedoglake starts questioning Obama…

Skywise on June 11, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Seriously.

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes…
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria!

misterpeasea on June 11, 2009 at 12:33 PM

I’m filled with ambivalence reading these comments.

It does my heart good to see people are finally recognizing that this is all intentional.

It also makes me sick that it IS intentional.

Daggett on June 11, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Yea…….. let’s elect Barack Hussein Obama as President of the United States.

…………… What could go wrong?

Seven Percent Solution on June 11, 2009 at 12:40 PM

well, at least i will have the satisfaction of saying “i told you so” while i’m sitting in a hooverville with my obama-voting friends.

patriette on June 11, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Can you see hunters strapping a huge deer on top of their Prius?

djaymick on June 11, 2009 at 12:33 PM

No, but a fat politician… That might be do-able…

doriangrey on June 11, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Could it be that Jim Cramer was correct? Obama is America’s greatest destroyer of wealth? The question remains: Is it idealism or incompetence?

ROCnPhilly on June 11, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Completely intentional. Calculated strategy for destruction.

marklmail on June 11, 2009 at 12:43 PM

BRIC nations — Brazil, Russia, India and China

I prefer CRIB, which is more correctly ordered, and they are being abetted by a guy with a mind that operates at the level of an infant – The Precedent. This cannot go on much longer.

progressoverpeace on June 11, 2009 at 12:43 PM

IMF has the 2nd largest gold reserve behind the US. Let is sell some gold reserves to bolster its spending.

CMonster on June 11, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Obama is America’s greatest destroyer of wealth? The question remains: Is it idealism or incompetence?

ROCnPhilly on June 11, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Neither. It is a thirst for revenge against the West.

progressoverpeace on June 11, 2009 at 12:44 PM

I have never believed that Obama was intentionally out to destroy America. I thought it was just misguided, left wing, Marxist ideology.

I’m starting to rethink that whole thing.

Star20 on June 11, 2009 at 12:20 PM

welcome to the real world!

cmsinaz on June 11, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Each day I think that this will be the day that 0bama will not do something to destroy the country. Each day I am disappointed.

Lou Budvis on June 11, 2009 at 12:45 PM

a weak USD equals profitable green companies cause the profit margins become large enough when the world hedges against inflation through commodities, ethanol companies and Commodity currencies like New Zealand dollars, Australian Dollars and Canadian dollars. Ever see the currency charts from the late seventies? Thats what going to happen again IMHO.

They know exactly what they are doing, helping the Russians with real cash and a stronger Ruble, of all things.
I’m ready to throw these flourescent light bulbs in the trash.

mdetlh on June 11, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Where are the latest batch of trolls?

Knucklehead on June 11, 2009 at 12:46 PM

You also forgot, in addition to the IMF and bank-rolling the vouchers, who will pay the sales tax on the value of the voucher? Oh, and don’t forget the increase on insurance premiums for full comp too!

ExPat on June 11, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Knucklehead on June 11, 2009 at 12:46 PM

In what thread was that troll list posted? I can’t find it and it needs updating.

Loxodonta on June 11, 2009 at 12:47 PM

No, but a fat politician… That might be do-able…

doriangrey on June 11, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Bigot! Weight shouldn’t matter. Any liberal or corrupt politician should do.

Loxodonta on June 11, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Rahm Emanuel. The brains behind the skinny pop star in the White House. Rahm Emanuel. The brains behind socilaism. Rahm Emanuel. The man who is leading this country to ruin. He will have his place in history like other villans.

afotia on June 11, 2009 at 12:50 PM

American households lost $1.33 trillion of their wealth in the first three months of the year as the recession took a bite out of stock portfolios and dragged down home prices.

The Federal Reserve reported Thursday that household net worth fell to $50.38 trillion in the January-March quarter, the lowest level since the third quarter of 2004.

The first-quarter figure marked a decline of 2.6 percent, or $1.33 trillion, from the final quarter of 2008.

Net worth represents total assets such as homes and checking accounts…
…With wealth declining and unemployment rising, there are questions about how consumers — the lifeblood of the economy — will behave in the coming months.

The failed Obama administration is rapidly impoverishing American families. He must be defeated before our living standards fall any further, and before it is too late to recover. Unemployment will soon be over 10% and oil and gasoline prices are rising rapidly, empowering our enemies worldwide.

JiangxiDad on June 11, 2009 at 12:51 PM

I hope the Blue Dogs think about where all those other Obama promises wound up…

tree hugging sister on June 11, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Yet, I read all this and I see no plan to stop it. Don’t give me that “wait until 2010″; we can’t wait that long. How the heck do we light a fire under those GOP guys in DC that are suppose to represent us? Why don’t we have people who can afford it filing lawsuits left and right? How can we just let the Chrysler thing go through when we know that bader-ginsberg was bought and paid for – it IS illegal.

How do we wake up the media and the masses? What do we do when they do wake up?

katablog.com on June 11, 2009 at 12:52 PM

at what point does it become the american citizens responsibility to do something? Its obvious congress is not going to confront Obama

offroadaz on June 11, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I am getting tired about people now saying: I would not have voted for the guy if I had known this.
It was out there to see for everyone, don’t try to cover up your laziness and stupidity during the election cycle.

dpierson on June 11, 2009 at 12:53 PM

It sounds as if we’re trying to outdo the Japanese. They had a tech bubble, we had a tech bubble. They had a real estate bubble, we had a real estate bubble. But, HAH– have they had an automobile bubble? Didn’t think so.

Tonus on June 11, 2009 at 12:54 PM

dpierson: give them credit for at least waking up. There’s still 30% out there that are walking idiots, bowing to the king.

katablog.com on June 11, 2009 at 12:54 PM

It sounds as if we’re trying to outdo the Japanese. They had a tech bubble, we had a tech bubble. They had a real estate bubble, we had a real estate bubble. But, HAH– have they had an automobile bubble? Didn’t think so.

Tonus on June 11, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Did they have an Obama?

Nope.

Upstater85 on June 11, 2009 at 12:55 PM

They are trying to kill our economy to remake it. All these idiots kept saying that Bush was radical…these are the radical extremists. They want to remake America in their own vision. Obama himself said we are out of money, and they want to fork over $100 billion to the IMF?

This is theft. This is negligence. If the American people don’t wake up before 2010, this country will be in a depression for years.

WisCon on June 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Did they have an Obama?

Nope.

Better question: Do they want one? If we can sell terrorists, why can’t we sell the O?

katablog.com on June 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM

katablog.com on June 11, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Since that 30% could have avoided this tragedy we now face I can’t bring myself to give them a break. They chose their side and are culpable.

dpierson on June 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Goth the junk yard and buy a junker. Take a 4,000 dollar credit on it and they send it back to the junk yard. The fools don’t realize that 4,000 came from us to begin with..I guess they think We didn’t know where the 4,000 came from

seven on June 11, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Where are the latest batch of trolls?

Knucklehead on June 11, 2009 at 12:46 PM

At a taping of the Letterman show, hoping Dave will give them a ride to the local junior high after the show.

Or did you mean a different type of troll?

Laura in Maryland on June 11, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Obama said that when you are headed over a cliff, it’s time to change direction. Instead of changing direction, all he did was step on the gas.

When looking at what’s going on in Washington, it seems obvious that the whole federal government has finished with the koolaid and moved on to 100 proof moonshine. It seems that Emperor Obama has set the stage and given his approval for Congress to spend as recklessly as they want. And that they are doing with a passion. Hey, what’s a hundred billion when you are already in the hole to the tune of close to 12 trillion dollars? We have gone way past the slippery slope of moral hazard and are now headed for the ravine. I can see no hope that this will abate until we either default or the dollar becomes worthless.
Now the Asians are not stupid. They know that their economies are still quite dependent on the American consumer, so they will continue to provide the cocaine to keep us on the line for the time being. But it is becoming obvious that the price for the dope is going up. They will want more and more interest to account for the added risk as our debt gets more and more out of control. There will come a point where the risk is too great and the interest is too high. At that point, you may as well take the U.S. economy out and shoot it. It seems to me that we are reaching that point at breakneck speed and accelerating. Lord help us.

KentAllard on June 11, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Goth the junk yard and buy a junker. Take a 4,000 dollar credit on it and they send it back to the junk yard.

and imagine how many idiots are doing just that, not thinking for a minute about the resulting car payment they can’t make. – I see a new car payment bailout coming down the road.

katablog.com on June 11, 2009 at 12:59 PM

The fools don’t realize that 4,000 came from us to begin with..I guess they think We didn’t know where the 4,000 came from

seven on June 11, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Yes, but that $4k is spread out between all the taxpayers so, you’re not paying the full amount. Ah, Fairness! /sarc

ExPat on June 11, 2009 at 1:01 PM

So, Obama thought he inherited a mess of problems when he took office? I don’t know how in the world the poor sucker who takes charge after he leaves is going to fix all the problems he’s created, and he’s just getting started!

scalleywag on June 11, 2009 at 1:03 PM

I see a new car payment bailout coming down the road.

katablog.com on June 11, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Bingo. Just like the mortgage crises. Congress never learns, they keep repeating the same mistakes over and over and over.

scalleywag on June 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM

“…without firing a shot.”

DamnYankee on June 11, 2009 at 1:06 PM

And I wonder who is going to be appointed the clunker czar that will “oversee” the billions we spend on this boondoggle. Hanna Montana? It’s just mind boggling, their stupidity.

scalleywag on June 11, 2009 at 1:07 PM

IMF has the 2nd largest gold reserve behind the US

Not so sure about the U.S. gold reserves. The sovereign U.S. gold reserve has not been independently audited since the 1950’s during the Eisenhower Administration.

Everyone should read this article. Scary.

Puddleglum on June 11, 2009 at 1:07 PM

What’s the big deal? We’ll just use the money the TARP banks are going to pay back, then it’s only 30 billion we’ll shell out. Nevermind the laws says all recovered TARP funds are to be used to pay off the deficit. With the tacit approval of the unconstitutional sale of Chrysler to Fiat (under it’s current agreement), why worry about the government following law and using common sense?

Weebork on June 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Oops, 70 billion, not 30.

Weebork on June 11, 2009 at 1:11 PM

The IMF bailout would do nothing for our own financial strength; in fact, as a breaking report from the Wall Street Journal shows, we’d essentially be funding an attack on the dollar

I’m beginning to wonder if crashing the dollar isn’t a goal of this regime.

petefrt on June 11, 2009 at 1:13 PM

I have never believed that Obama was intentionally out to destroy America. I thought it was just misguided, left wing, Marxist ideology.

I’m starting to rethink that whole thing.

Star20 on June 11, 2009 at 12:20 PM

He’s been told and encouraged to belief, his entire life, that the U.S.A. as it has existed is a bad place, a land of corruption, is “wrong” according to his philosophical and somewhat-hidden ‘religious’ beliefs (that aren’t Christian, by the way, to state the obvious).

Thus, his entire “hope and change” “joy” — on display as this is being written as he boasts and jostles with supporters at his “townhall” performance (my set’s been muted for the event) — is entirely based upon his enthusiasm for undoing what has existed and his goal to build something else here, in this nation.

So he’s happy in his work in that regard and that’s what his work is: undoing the U.S. and seeing it replaced with something else.

Lourdes on June 11, 2009 at 1:15 PM

The warning flags are flying on every flag pole in the Republic. You cannot say you have not been warned.

tarpon on June 11, 2009 at 1:15 PM

The entire idea is ludicrous, as I explained yesterday; it reduces the current value of autos to $0, an asset drain that many Americans won’t appreciate at all.

It also spends money that the government doesn’t have to fund car purchases most Americans can’t afford and entices them to extend their liabilities when excessive credit is one of the problems at the root of the financial collapse.

If that’s supposed to sweeten the pot, it just demonstrates the lack of critical thinking at the White House.
posted at 12:15 pm on June 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

But he gives surprisingly good speeches in Cairo…..

Sooo, I don’t know what the big deal is….

Mcguyver on June 11, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Gun show this weekend. Off to buy more ammo.

rbj on June 11, 2009 at 1:18 PM

They aren’t attacking the dollar and they are putting their own reserves into the IMF which is a very good thing. Investment in the IMF encourages the growth of overseas markets which in turn is good for the US economy.

lexhamfox on June 11, 2009 at 1:18 PM

This is what you get when you have a part-time community organizer, a failed plagiarist gaffetastic lawyer, and a foul-mouthed ballerina running the show.

Not to disparage ballerinas, but sometimes they should stick to dancing.

UltimateBob on June 11, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Goth the junk yard and buy a junker. Take a 4,000 dollar credit on it and they send it back to the junk yard.

and imagine how many idiots are doing just that, not thinking for a minute about the resulting car payment they can’t make. – I see a new car payment bailout coming down the road.

katablog.com on June 11, 2009 at 12:59 PM

.
IIRC the trade-in vehicle has to have been insured for the year prior to the deal. Not many junkers in the yard are insured.

News2Use on June 11, 2009 at 1:23 PM

foul-mouthed ballerina running the show

Barney in a pink tutu? I so didn’t need that visual.

ExPat on June 11, 2009 at 1:23 PM

To all the republicans who couldn’t hold their nose and vote for McCain ……. Happy now?

fogw on June 11, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Now Brazil and Russia plan to dump Treasuries on the market in favor of IMF securities — and we’re going to make the IMF bonds more attractive by increasing the deficit spending that created the impulse to dump the Treasuries? In what universe does anyone think this is a sane and rational policy?

If this doesn’t convince even thee most ardent Obama supporter, that this is what Obama is doing, deliberately, to destroy this country, then I don’t know what would convince them.

This is insane, and we’re all going to be in the poor house, very, very soon. But so long as Obama, and family are dining high on the hog, then all is right with the world, eh?

capejasmine on June 11, 2009 at 1:24 PM

I’m beginning to wonder if crashing the dollar isn’t a goal of this regime.

petefrt on June 11, 2009 at 1:13 PM

That’s certainly what it looks like, since every counterintuitive move Obama and the Dems have made since January contributes to the destruction of the dollar. I still don’t get it, though — don’t they need some wealth left to spread around? How can they implement socialism without other people’s money — money that’s worth something? I’ve heard the Weimar Republic theory — that the economic failure of the WR paved the way for Hitler to “save” Germany. But Obama can’t “save” the U.S. if he’s in the role of the Weimar who ruined it.

aero on June 11, 2009 at 1:31 PM

To all the republicans who couldn’t hold their nose and vote for McCain ……. Happy now?

fogw on June 11, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Are you kidding? McCain spent half his time defending the idot messiah and telling everyone that we had nothing to worry about. McCain was a moron, and, frankly, I think that McCain might have even voted for the idiot messiah.

The rest of us indeed held our nose and voted for him (we really voted for Palin). If you’re looking for anyone to blame in that election, try blaming the guy who couldn’t even talk about the CRA as the credit crisis hit, or BHO’s role in trying to strong-arm banks into making bad loans, or any of the other arguments that were easily identifiable and would have crushed the anti-American moron. McCain wouldn’t even let anyone utter the guy’s middle name. I mean, come on.

And McCain, who had Congress move to certify his own eligibility couldn’t be bothered to say anything about a guy all of whose records are still held in top secret classification, for some odd reason.

Nor could McCain even bother to defend his own idiotic McCain-Feingold campaign finance law. He never made one mention fo the CLEARLY CRIMINAL financing of the BHO campaign. Nor could McCain mention ACORN …

The list is endless. Stop blaming conservatives because McCain was a loser who seems as if he was almost trying to throw the election.

progressoverpeace on June 11, 2009 at 1:31 PM

If this doesn’t convince even thee most ardent Obama supporter, that this is what Obama is doing, deliberately, to destroy this country, then I don’t know what would convince them.

capejasmine on June 11, 2009 at 1:24 PM

They’re not paying attention. The media is telling them the worst is over and the economy is on the upswing. Obama saved us, and they’re busy patting themselves on the back for electing him. They don’t know that the price of gas is rising because the value of the dollar is falling. They think it’s just the oil-producing nations and/or the greedy oil companies gouging us again. And “helping” Europe will make them feel good. It’s “helping” right? How could that possibly be bad? Pass the bong, please.

aero on June 11, 2009 at 1:36 PM

progressoverpeace on June 11, 2009 at 1:31 PM

I mentioned holding your nose, then you go on to list all of the reasons we had to hold our nose, and admit you did hold yours, and voted for McLame.

We’re on the same page.

For all of McCain’s faults, we ended up with someone exponentially worse.

fogw on June 11, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Just throwin’ in my $.02….. It’s intentional, everything they are doing. All the dopes out there need to understand that the distractionary rhetoric is a smokescreen. A new plan for something every week. Makes you take your eye off the ball. What they say and what they are doing are two different things. And what they are doing is intentionally destroying everything we are, everything we have, and everything we need. We need to get rid of all of them – NOW!!

HomeoftheBrave on June 11, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Y’know… I really don’t want to go there… but we’ve almost crossed the line here into gross dereliction of duty.

Skywise on June 11, 2009 at 12:26 PM

I don’t want to go there either but just how much more of this clearly bad decision making is the public supposed to endure without something happening? At the rate the Democrats are dismantling all the societal institutions and spending billions it doesn’t have, we may not have until 2010 to effect change. Certainly not violent overthrow but there could come a day when nationwide protests erupt over the bad stewarship of this incompetent President, corrupt advisors, and failed ideology.

highhopes on June 11, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Stop blaming conservatives because McCain was a loser who seems as if he was almost trying to throw the election.

progressoverpeace on June 11, 2009 at 1:31 PM

I can’t blame the liberals for voting for a socialist/Marxist. He’s their ideal. I blame the ‘independents’ and the conservatives who voted for him.
I also blame the conservatives for ending up with McCain.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2009 at 2:02 PM

For all of McCain’s faults, we ended up with someone exponentially worse.

fogw on June 11, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Probably but I suspect I wouldn’t be all that happy with whatever McCain had done by this point in his administration either. He’s too much like the Democrats he seeks to emulate.

The message for 2010 and the GOP is “this madness must end” and the only way to do it is to revive the two party system in DC. Keep in mind with the exception of the stimulus bill in the Senate, Democrats have been doing all this stuff without a single GOP vote. This is Obama’s spending plan and he and his filthy party are the ones accountable for everything that is going on. November 2010 needs to be their judgement day.

highhopes on June 11, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Is that a rat nibbling at The O’s ear?
Seriously, don’t the two dears look oh so sophisticated and serious? They might be discussing the VAT that will be laid on us, that should make O supporters happy, or maybe automatic citizenship for any muslim murderer caught on the battlefield. That will tickle the fancy of the Reality Based Community. You can’t fool a liberal.

arand on June 11, 2009 at 2:04 PM

We’re on the same page.

Yes, and I understand your complaints with those who couldn’t hold their noses (as McCain’s own mother had said was going to be a necessity). My point was just that McCain went out of his way to make sure that our hands were tied behind our backs, while voting for him, so we couldn’t really hold our noses but had to breathe it all in, full and complete. I do understand some that decided to pass on the opportunity. They might have done differently, except that McCain, himself, kept reassuring them that it was no big deal if he lost, anyway. That part was what really, really, really drove me nuts.

For all of McCain’s faults, we ended up with someone exponentially worse.

fogw on June 11, 2009 at 1:44 PM

No question about it. McCain had some awful ideas, adn shamnesty would have led to the dissolution of the US, all by itself, but the sort of destruction that BHO was going to bring (that all could see, if they had just opened their eyes, a bit) was incomparable.

But, hey, even our bloggers, here, were embarrassed to bring up the eligibility issue, (and still are!, along with the ‘hussein’ issue, as we just saw) and that sort of reluctance to deal with BHO in a realistic manner is why he won and has been able to pass all of the America-killing policy he’s been able to do. If conservative bloggers were worried about embarrassing the guy, we know what the rest feels about attacking (in a real way, as any other person would be subjected to) a Precedent.

progressoverpeace on June 11, 2009 at 2:05 PM

I’m beginning to wonder if crashing the dollar isn’t a goal of this regime.

petefrt on June 11, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Absolutely it’s a goal. By causing a complete systemic collapse, Obama can use the “crisis” to issue presidential orders and seize power on a scale that heretofore was unimaginable in the United States. Just look around – see what freedoms people will give up when the country is in crisis mode.

I believe Obama’s ultimate goal is dictatorial, and he has absolutely no intention of ever leaving the White House.

Puddleglum on June 11, 2009 at 2:09 PM

At the rate the Democrats are dismantling all the societal institutions and spending billions it doesn’t have, we may not have until 2010 to effect change.

I think that’s the point. I think they know that if our current form of government lasts that long, there will be a conservative landslide in 2010. So they’ve got to execute their plans as fast as possible.

Daggett on June 11, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Daggett on June 11, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Yep.

progressoverpeace on June 11, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Absolutely it’s a goal. By causing a complete systemic collapse, Obama can use the “crisis” to issue presidential orders and seize power on a scale that heretofore was unimaginable in the United States. Just look around – see what freedoms people will give up when the country is in crisis mode.

I believe Obama’s ultimate goal is dictatorial, and he has absolutely no intention of ever leaving the White House.

Puddleglum on June 11, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Exactly.

I’m guessing they have about 1 year to get the collapse, or else the 2010 elections will throw a huge monkey wrench into the plan.

Daggett on June 11, 2009 at 2:13 PM

I have never believed that Obama was intentionally out to destroy America.

You’re not the only one; my brother is starting to look less and less crazy by the day. Mind you, I’m not sure what I’d prefer – someone incompetent, or just plain evil.

Heresy of Cain on June 11, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Yes, the whole idea is ludicrous; I’m sure there is some way that, as usual, the billions will be funneled to Dem supporters. That’s what politicians do: they build empires.

PattyJ on June 11, 2009 at 2:14 PM

I should note that my horror is not directed at the IMF thing so much as it is the idea of moving forward with that half-baked car program. The former, I’m sure would be happening regardless of who was in office (I have no doubt the current president would feel obligated to support it), but the latter…I have no words.

Heresy of Cain on June 11, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Tom Clancy couldn’t have written this plot against America any better.

I for one would welcome a $4500 “voucher” towards a new car. I’ve got a truck worth dirt, still runs though. And I’ve got a car we’re almost done paying off. Take the voucher for the truck, sell off the car, and I could get a nice new Mitsubishi Lancer, a Ford Focus, or heck even a Ford Mustang gets better MPG then a 39 yo truck.

Keith_Indy on June 11, 2009 at 2:58 PM

I’m seeing an impeachment on the horizon.

Dusty on June 11, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Obama is just following the financial plan Soros gave him in exchange for the millions in campaign funds; Soros has done this before.
Mr. Bingley on June 11, 2009

Sounds like a plot to a movie and as unbelievable as it is…I believe something similar to your analysis is very true. Obama IS the manchurian candidate and his ego won’t even let him diguise that fact.

Soros is a true enemy of America and that is precisely why the left champion him. Daily Kos and Move-on.org are no different than Al-Queda as far as I’m concerned.

Goodeye_Closed on June 11, 2009 at 3:31 PM

I’m seeing an impeachment on the horizon.
Dusty on June 11, 2009

Nah, won’t happen…..who’s going to lead it? the Republicans?

There’s a better chance that the US will collapse and he will be chased out of the whitehouse and have to go into exile.

Goodeye_Closed on June 11, 2009 at 3:33 PM

here we go with the “wait until 2010″ stuff again. Don’t you get it? Come 2010 America will be history; it won’t matter who wins or loses the next election. Pass health care and stick a fork in America because we are cooked. You will never see your country again.

I don’t know, maybe many of you say this because you are trying to keep yourselves from being as frustrated and dismayed as I am right now. I’ve got very little change left in my pocket and I have absolutely no hope.

katablog.com on June 11, 2009 at 3:34 PM

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