White supremacist kills guard at Holocaust Museum

posted at 4:39 pm on June 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

An 89-year-old white supremacist attacked guards at the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC today, killing one guard before taking a bullet himself.  James Von Brunn, well-known in the lunatic fringe that is white supremacism, had attempted a similar attack in 1981 at the Federal Reserve, and had been on the radar screens of watchdogs for years:

The suspect in Wednesday’s shooting at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum is James von Brunn, an 88-year-old white supremacist from Maryland, two law enforcement officials told CNN.

Von Brunn served six years in prison on federal attempted kidnapping, assault and firearms charges after what he called a “legal, nonviolent citizens arrest” of members of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors.

On his Web site, “Holy Western Empire,” von Brunn said he was “convicted by a Negro jury, Jew/Negro attorneys, and sentenced to prison for eleven years by a Jew judge.”

“He is in our files going back way into the 1980s,” said Heidi Beirich, a researcher for the Montgomery, Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center.

“He has extremely long history with neo-Nazis and white supremacists. He’s written extremely incendiary publications, raging about Jews, blacks and the like.”

Yet again, we have a despicable attack based on hatred and political extremism, the third such attack in two weeks to result in fatalities.  Doubtless many people will try to find ways to score political points, like the e-mailer who waited a whole 20 minutes to blame conservatives for dismissing the DHS report on right-wing extremism for this tragedy. To that, I’d respond that our criticism was that the DHS report didn’t focus on known, specific threats, instead making generalized threats about abortion opponents and other vague and broad generalizations about conservative issues.  In fact, it never mentioned Holocaust denial at all, nor did it mention anti-semitism at all [see Update V below], either; those terms don’t appear at all in the report.  And despite being well-known as a threat since the 1980s, the DHS never bothered to identify von Brunn or his organization as a specific threat in the report — which, again, was the heart of our criticism.

Michelle notes that one prominent blogger on the Left is already twittering that the Tea Party movement is to blame for the attack, which is as nutty an observation as anything I’ve heard.  What do the anti-tax Tea Parties have to do with anti-Semitism? Only in the fevered imaginations of the most extreme on the Left can they imagine that groups calling for less government have something in common with neo-Nazis. And it certainly wasn’t a conservative talking about Jewish conspiracies in government earlier today.

People who commit crimes bear the entire responsibility for those crimes.  Assigning guilt, real or imagined, to groups rather than individuals for their own actions is one of the reasons we have to have a Holocaust Memorial at all.  It’s the kind of thinking that leads to genocide when allowed to run to run to its extreme.

Meanwhile, our prayers go to the family of the murdered guard and all who were traumatized by this shooting, which is where our thoughts should be, rather than political fingerpointing.

Update: Kathy Shaidle reports on von Brunn’s ideology, which was hardly “conservative” or even “right wing”.  He was also a Truther.  That doesn’t make all Truthers responsible for this attack, either.

Update II: As Mary Katharine Ham and Brian Faughnan said on Twitter, Godspeed, Stephen Tyrone Johns:

Update: My meaning was that white supremacism is lunatic fringe, but some people misunderstood it. I;ve rewritten the sentence for more clarity.

Update IV: Tommy Christopher:

Now, where does that leave Wright and Von Brunn?  While their actions are, by no means, equivalent, Wright’s comment betrays a bigotry toward Jews that would seem right at home in Von Brunn’s repertoire.  But, put to Clouthier’s voting booth test, how do we divvy these two up?

The answer is, we don’t.  If we do, we do so at our own peril.  While we waste time playing “pin the tail on the ideology,” we distract from the real enemies of freedom, who reside neither on the Right nor the Left, but beneath them.

Exactly.

Update V: I wrote that the report didn’t mention anti-Semitism, but it actually did.  It talked about anti-Semitic extremists.  I did a search on “semitism” and not “Semitic”, and I should have done both.  Sloppy work.  I apologize.

Update VI: Balloon Juice’s John Cole calls this the dumbest thing he’s read on the internet:

Anyone want to explain some of the many reasons why they might not have released the names of people under investigation by various federal agencies in an openly published DHS report (notwithstanding the central fact that identifying specific threats was not the intent of the damned thing in the first place)?

Gee, John, then why did the report on left-wing extremism actually name the groups that posed a threat?

(U//FOUO) DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines leftwing extremists as groups or individuals who embrace radical elements of the anarchist, animal rights, or environmental movements and are often willing to violate the law to achieve their objectives. Many leftwing extremist groups are not hierarchically ordered with defined members, leaders, or chain of command structures but operate as loosely-connected underground movements composed of “lone wolves,” small cells, and splinter groups.

— (U//LES) Animal rights and environmental extremists seek to end the perceived abuse and suffering of animals and the degradation of the natural environment perpetrated by humans. They use non-violent and violent tactics that, at times, violate criminal law. Many of these extremists claim they are conducting these activities on behalf of two of the most active groups, the Animal Liberation Front and its sister organization, the Earth Liberation Front. Other prominent groups include Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty; and chapters within the Animal Defense League, and Earth First!.

— (U//FOUO) Anarchist extremists generally embrace a number of radical philosophical components of anticapitalist, antiglobalization, communist, socialist, and other movements. Anarchist groups seek abolition of social, political, and economic hierarchies, including Western-style governments and large business enterprises, and frequently advocate criminal actions of varying scale and scope to accomplish their goals. Anarchist extremist groups include entities within Crimethinc, the Ruckus Society, and Recreate 68.

Again, had the DHS focused on actual threats, then von Brunn — who had already committed a violent attack on the Federal Reserve and who was well known to the SLPC — and his organization might have been highlighted.  Not to mention that the report is supposed to help law enforcement identify actual threats, not have them play guessing games and encourage them to spy on normal political activity.

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For a year or two, I’ve been wishing FNC would switch Shep to a late night time slot. But imbecilic comments like this are changing my mind. Time for Shep to find another network.

petefrt on June 10, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Yes. Shep needs to feel the full effects of this down economy.

pfamis on June 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM

It looks like April thinks Nazis represent the “far right wing”. I think this is the source of the problem.

Extreme right wingers would be anarchists. Right wingers would be libertarians and conservatives.

Nazis were big government command economy collectivists – they were leftists.

Racism is another issue all together and can be found all over the political spectrum.

forest on June 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM

This has already received more media coverage than the Arkansas shooting.

artist on June 10, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Very telling, isn’t it? Not to mention sad…

ladyingray on June 10, 2009 at 5:11 PM

1) The shooter was clearly part of the right-wing fringe.
2) There exists such a thing as right-wing socialism.
3) Nazism is one among several forms of right-wing socialism.

hicsuget on June 10, 2009 at 4:54 PM

That’s a load of crap.

FloatingRock on June 10, 2009 at 5:11 PM

White supremacist are right wingers. They are against minorities (blacks, hispanics, jews etc..) They believe the only pure race is the white race and the Jewish man is trying to undermine them. Hitler was a right wing white supremacists so is this man

equality on June 10, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Hey, Sherlock, Hitler was socialist. Nazism stands for “Nationalsozialismus” or “National Socialism”. Hitler despised capitalism:

“We are not fighting Jewish or Christian capitalism, we are fighting every capitalism: we are making the people completely free.”

Hitler was a vegetarian who opposed the right to smoke. He wanted to force vegetarianism on the Third Reich. Oh, and Hitler favored gun control.

amerpundit on June 10, 2009 at 5:11 PM

I didn’t say he was a conservative; just that he was right-wing.

hicsuget on June 10, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Yeah you did…

6) The shooter has much more in common with certain elements of conservatism than most commenters here would care to admit. This is why they are attempting to pass him off as a leftist.

hicsuget on June 10, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Skywise on June 10, 2009 at 5:12 PM

because white men and men and women that serve their country are what’s to blame for all the ills in the world. wake up already!

Ghoul aid on June 10, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Oh no you didn’t…you did not just write this under this thread….

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:12 PM

If we had taken the DHS report seriously this could have been stopped

equality on June 10, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Your nom is not in sync with your brain.

April is not a troll. She just aids equality and hicsuget.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Exactly, another good point.

They hate the libs big time.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM

But he thought Rachel Corrie was doing the right thing…

Skywise on June 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Another troll. Good grief.

txag92 on June 10, 2009 at 5:00 PM

April pops in every so often to explain things to us. She’s bossy, over confident, and annoying, but probably not what we define as a troll. She’s fun to tease.

a capella on June 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM

The notion that a WHITE SUPREMACIST is a leftist is baloney.

White supremacist have are all right wingers. Hitler was not a left winger by any means.

equality on June 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Ya, I said it. I can’t tell you how much people manage to disgust me these days.

Poor excuses for human beings.

reaganaut on June 10, 2009 at 5:09 PM

But Shep started it!!!

NTWR on June 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM

He refers on his website to “Marxist/Liberal/Jews bankers,…”

Let’s call a spade a spade, guys.

hicsuget on June 10, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Anti-Banker = Leftist
Anti-Marxist/Anti-Semite = National Socialism (Nazi)
Anti-Civil Liberties/Anti-Black = Robert Byrd

Spade = Left-Wing

TMK on June 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM

equality on June 10, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Why is this troll still here?

Ronnie on June 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM

OT: Beck is bringing up the Wright “them Jews” comment right now.

BuckeyeSam on June 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Glenn Beck is currently hitting the bull’s eye on this issue.

petefrt on June 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM

The Far Left embraces Acorn and believes all should be treated equality and if not the playing field should be altered.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:08 PM

If by treated equally you mean the Far Left thinks captured terrorists at Gitmo should be given legal rights granted to all US citizens as defined in the Constitution, then I agree with you. That’s how effed up they are.

fogw on June 10, 2009 at 5:14 PM

hicsuget already lost the debate about a killer who is obviously a leftist, anti-everything rightwing, and a pro-Islamic terrorist Truther to boot. Now she’s just trying to pepper the barn with buckshot and hopes Farmer John will blame the neighbor kids.

TMK on June 10, 2009 at 5:09 PM

“Far rightwing extermist” is by definition not-very-rightwing-but-associated-with-rightwing-anyway-because-we-say-so.

Just look at this thread – the trolls actually claim that he’s a legit rightwing cause he wrote something against Marxists. That would make Obama far right too, cause he denied being a Marxist, no?

Aristotle on June 10, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Let’s break it down even more. The official name was NSDAP which stands for.

National (N)
Socialist (S)
German (D for Deutch)
Workers (A for Arbeiter)
Party (P)

dpierson on June 10, 2009 at 5:14 PM

It’s all so sad and so tiring.

Lefty, righty, who cares?
At the moment a person picks up a gun and commits a murder, he/she is insane and/or evil.
What ‘political’ leanings they have matters why/how?

I don’t care why he did it. I don’t care if he was abused as a child by a black jew. I don’t care what books he read. I don’t care what games he played.
He’s a murderer. He should be put away and the key thrown away.

I can’t stand the arguments about if he’s left or right.
Talk about smoke and mirrors…sheesh!

bridgetown on June 10, 2009 at 5:14 PM

The notion that a WHITE SUPREMACIST is a leftist is baloney.

White supremacist have are all right wingers. Hitler was not a left winger by any means.

equality on June 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Really? Really? You mean like the Democratic governors who stood in the doorways of schools to stop integration? The left that installed Jim Crow laws in the south? The fact that Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) was a member of the KKK and still uses the n-word?

amerpundit on June 10, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Didn’t someone in the headlines earlier say that his site was against Christians also or was that a mistake?

Cindy Munford on June 10, 2009 at 5:15 PM

kirkill on June 10, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Yeah. Something tells me if the shooter had been a muslim or recent muslim-convert, the media would be doing everything in it’s power to somehow relate this to the Palestinian cause, etc.

Of course had the guy shot up a military recruitment center, it probably wouln’t even make the ticker…

catmman on June 10, 2009 at 5:15 PM

It looks like April thinks Nazis represent the “far right wing”. I think this is the source of the problem.

Extreme right wingers would be anarchists. Right wingers would be libertarians and conservatives.

Nazis were big government command economy collectivists – they were leftists.

Racism is another issue all together and can be found all over the political spectrum.

forest on June 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM

I am hardly alone in my thinking.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Hitler was not a left winger by any means.

equality on June 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM

You don’t know history either.

NAZI = Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party)

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM

I am hardly alone in my thinking.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:15 PM

A million idiots is still a million idiots.

TMK on June 10, 2009 at 5:17 PM

wonder who this nut supported in the election? Kucinich or Ron Paul? maybe he wrote in Jesse Ventura

jp on June 10, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Really? Really? You mean like the Democratic governors who stood in the doorways of schools to stop integration? The left that installed Jim Crow laws in the south? The fact that Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) was a member of the KKK and still uses the n-word?

amerpundit on June 10, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Stop, please.

After Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act into law they all jumped ship and left the Democrat Party, except for Byrd and Al Gore’s father.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:17 PM

I am hardly alone in my thinking.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:15 PM

One doesn’t have to be alone to be wrong. Plenty of people deny the Holocaust, too. I’m pretty sure you could find a couple of people to insist that 2+2=6.

amerpundit on June 10, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Glenn Beck just said that this guy was also a hero among the 9/11 Truthers.

Definitely not “right-wing”.

Enoxo on June 10, 2009 at 5:17 PM

It should come as no suprise as to which politician this Crazy Uncle associates with.

BohicaTwentyTwo on June 10, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Don’t forget the “Arbeiter” part, either. Lets just say right wing political groups don’t exactly have “worker” as part of their party name. Especially those founded in the late 19th or early 20th century.

PimFortuynsGhost on June 10, 2009 at 5:18 PM

The Far Right Wing is not generally pro Israel – at all. They are not pro Muslim either. They tend to be very anti Middle Eastern. You guys seem to not get that.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:00 PM

The world history from which you are drawing the classification “far-right” would also dictate that the modern American Left is “Right”, while the present Right is “Left”.

FloatingRock on June 10, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Boy! Obama sure has united everyone hasn’t he. What a community organizer!

Vince on June 10, 2009 at 5:19 PM

89 or not this guy needs to get the maximum possible penalty.

Nothing a court of law can hand down would be suitable for this piece of trash.

Pale Rider on June 10, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Stop, please.

After Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act into law they all jumped ship and left the Democrat Party, except for Byrd and Al Gore’s father.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Really? The AP reporters who quoted Democratic primary voters in the south might tend to disagree.

I like the “except” part, too. Except for the powerful former U.S. Senator and the guy Democrats have made third in the line of presidential succession? Ha!

amerpundit on June 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Since when is any one on the Far Left opposed to blacks and the Federal Reserve?

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM

The notion that a WHITE SUPREMACIST is a leftist is baloney.

White supremacist have are all right wingers. Hitler was not a left winger by any means.

equality on June 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Maybe white supremacists are white supremacists. How much categorization do we need to apply to people? Individuals are responsible for their actions. Let’s just say this guy was a nutjob, strap him in the chair, and be done with it.

If you want to get into assigning deaths to political parties, the statists win in a blowout.

hawksruleva on June 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Don’t forget the “Arbeiter” part, either. Lets just say right wing political groups don’t exactly have “worker” as part of their party name. Especially those founded in the late 19th or early 20th century.

PimFortuynsGhost on June 10, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Indeed, but it might overwhelm the mental midgets around here.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2009 at 5:21 PM

This guy’s views on Semitism are more in keeping with Jeremiah Wright than Rush Limbaugh, Rush being consistently excoriated as a “right-winger” or “right-wing extremist”.

So if I write a comment over at DKos or HuffPo, somehow that makes me a “left-winger”?

If this guy is a “right-winger”, then the guy who murdered the Army recruiteer is a “left-winger” (using the same logic as you ‘tard trolls: based on his politics, his religion, and his race) bathe in your own twisted logic trolls.

catmman on June 10, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Every time there is a Liberal President,
it seems to bring out the crazys!!

canopfor on June 10, 2009 at 5:22 PM

The notion that a WHITE SUPREMACIST is a leftist is baloney.

White supremacist have are all right wingers. Hitler was not a left winger by any means.

equality on June 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Instead of repeating the mantra, why not respond to the comments. Why was the party Hitler led called the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party)?

Do you understand the difference between fascism and communism? Own does not permit private ownership of property, the other does not permit owners to control their private property. Do you know which is which? And can you please explain why you think the one you decide is associated with fascism is consistent with conservatism?

ProfessorMiao on June 10, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Really? Really? You mean like the Democratic governors who stood in the doorways of schools to stop integration? The left that installed Jim Crow laws in the south? The fact that Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) was a member of the KKK and still uses the n-word?

The racist bigots quit the democraty party in the early 60′s and 70′s and became part of the republican party. They were know as Dixiecrats

Why do You think LBJ told his staffers the democrats have lost the south for a generation after signing the civil rights Bill?

equality on June 10, 2009 at 5:22 PM

It’s been right-wing at least since the Nuremberg Trials–it became left-wing more recently. It is reassuring to hear that you’re not on the distro list, though.

hicsuget on June 10, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Wrong, it was “right-wing” before WWII, but since then American political classifications have reversed but the Left, falsely, still calls socialist/fascist hate groups “right-wing”.

FloatingRock on June 10, 2009 at 5:22 PM

this idiot was a 9/11 Truther, Alex Jones crowd nut and a Ron Paul for President idiot

see updates:

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2009/06/at-least-2-shot-inside-holocaust-museum.html

jp on June 10, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Every time there is a Liberal President,
it seems to bring out the crazys!!

canopfor on June 10, 2009 at 5:22 PM

You mean like Code Pink and the Truthers?

ProfessorMiao on June 10, 2009 at 5:23 PM

this is one of many reasons why, regardless of what he is right about, we should avoid Ron Paul like the plague.

the MSM is drooling right now for a chance to connect this killer to the “Right Wing” and Ron Paul is their avenue to do so

jp on June 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM

I don’t care if an anti-Semite’s surname is von Brunn, or Farrakhan, or Duke or Atta. They all suck.

Mr. D on June 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM

When blacks don’t tow the party line. See?

bridgetown on June 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM

A million idiots is still a million idiots.

TMK on June 10, 2009 at 5:17 PM

I think last November shows we have at least 53 million of those.

Les in NC on June 10, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Shep Smith on Fox has already used this to Dis the right.

Basicly saying the DHS report was correct… even read an “email” from someone who accused Obama of being a non citizen moving us towards Socialism…

Basicly used the equation of… this guy who wrote this is a wacko, and he does not like Obama, therefore, by extension, anyone who does not like Obama is a wacko…

Romeo13 on June 10, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Pathetic, but that’s not the thing that should get Shep fired. The thing that should get Shep fired immediately is that he called the guy’s WW2 military service a red flag showing that he was a terrorist and that it vindicated the DHS report. All the Fox reporters he was talking to seemed to agree with him.

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2009 at 5:25 PM

equality on June 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM

you, and the rest of the “hitler was a right-winger” people on here are just WRONG. you are regurgitating the leftist propaganda that your high-school and college teachers spoon-fed you.

HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST.

homesickamerican on June 10, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Boy! Obama sure has united everyone hasn’t he. What a community organizer!

Vince on June 10, 2009 at 5:19 PM

It’s hard to unite this community of loons looking under every rock for your birth certificate…LOL.

And it’s hard to unite this community of anti government pissants who hate the Federal Reserve and some of the laws existing on the books.

Those people are the problem, they are miserable and bitter. This guy had been bitter for years. The Nirtehrs are bitter pills as well.

Bitterness breeds hateful contempt.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:25 PM

jp on June 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM

+1000

PimFortuynsGhost on June 10, 2009 at 5:25 PM

This, of course, will be seen as a threat to the manboychild.

SouthernGent on June 10, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Since when is any one on the Far Left opposed to blacks …?

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Uh….never, until they stray off the Liberal Reservation?

Patrick S on June 10, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Some other idiot also tried to defend the DHS bullshit by noting that Brunn was ‘a veteran’. Yeah, he was, of fucking WWII!

GarandFan on June 10, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Crazy and hateful is crazy and hateful, no matter which party the evil SOB identifies with. We’re seeing an increase from both left and right extremes recently and it is really scaring me. The ‘blame and demonize everyone else’ rhetoric coming from the CinC isn’t helping, nor is his increasingly hostile behavior toward Israel.

Monica on June 10, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Good point made on Cavuto about this. I forget the guy’s name….He often offers commentary on Fox. He BLASTED “FoxNews” reporting “over the past hour” regarding this incident today. He was OBVIOUSLY speaking about Shep Smith. As this gentleman pointed out-
Has anyone asked the questions re: the dead GUARD.
Was HE a conservative?…Was HE a former military serviceman?

RIP Tyrone Johns. You did not deserve this and I pray for comfort for your family and friends.

NTWR on June 10, 2009 at 5:27 PM

White supremacist have are all right wingers. Hitler was not a left winger by any means.

equality on June 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM

New to HA? And your ignorance is already showing.

CarolynM on June 10, 2009 at 5:28 PM

The racist bigots quit the democraty party in the early 60’s and 70’s and became part of the republican party. They were know as Dixiecrats

Why do You think LBJ told his staffers the democrats have lost the south for a generation after signing the civil rights Bill?

equality on June 10, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Yeah, Democrats did okay in Congressional elections over the next 25 years (the span of a generation). They kept the House and were picking up seats in the south by 1970. They did fine.

amerpundit on June 10, 2009 at 5:28 PM

Since when is any one on the Far Left opposed to blacks and the Federal Reserve?

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Is Jeremiah Wright a right-winger? If he and the shooter had nothing else in common but their feelings about Jews, they would be clanking glasses together at a Haters-anonymous meeting…

catmman on June 10, 2009 at 5:28 PM

Bitterness breeds hateful contempt.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:25 PM

You know/live the truth very well.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2009 at 5:28 PM

It looks like April thinks Nazis represent the “far right wing”. I think this is the source of the problem.

Extreme right wingers would be anarchists. Right wingers would be libertarians and conservatives.

Nazis were big government command economy collectivists – they were leftists.

Racism is another issue all together and can be found all over the political spectrum.

forest on June 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Exactly, as in Nationalist Socialists workers party – NAZI

They were another form of Statism, end of story.

Chainsaw56 on June 10, 2009 at 5:28 PM

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM

You mean like the left-wingers that compared Condi to Bush’s parrot and called Colin Powell an Uncle Tom? Lefties are fine with blacks until they refuse to toe the party line. Then the dirt starts flying.

amerpundit on June 10, 2009 at 5:29 PM

you, and the rest of the “hitler was a right-winger” people on here are just WRONG. you are regurgitating the leftist propaganda that your high-school and college teachers spoon-fed you.

HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST.

homesickamerican on June 10, 2009 at 5:25 PM

WRONG.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Since when is any one on the Far Left opposed to blacks and the Federal Reserve?

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, was a eugenicist who believed in the natural superiority of the white race.

Leftists are anti-capitalist, therefore anti-money.

fusionaddict on June 10, 2009 at 5:29 PM

it was awful nice of Rev. Wright to provide that Jew slur for us, given the left trying to pin this on “the right” being anti-jew

jp on June 10, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Those people are the problem, they are miserable and bitter. This guy had been bitter for years. The Nirtehrs are bitter pills as well.
Bitterness breeds hateful contempt.
AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:25 PM

More liberal stupidity. First YOU assign them to be bitter about certain aspects of the government (no proof of that) and then extrapolate that it caused him to commit a crime.

dpierson on June 10, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Since when is any one on the Far Left opposed to blacks and the Federal Reserve?

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Oh I dunno… maybe calling Clarence Thomas and Condoleeza Rice Uncle Toms setup that impression?

And Rev. Wright is way against the Federal Reserve.

Skywise on June 10, 2009 at 5:31 PM

The racist bigots quit the democraty party in the early 60’s and 70’s and became part of the republican party.

Too funny.

Wait a minute, didn’t welfare and the war on poverty start in the late 60s. Hmmmmmm. The war on poverty, aka, Keeping people straddling the poverty line, hoarding them into government enclaves, making sure they can never release their full potential, treating them like second class citizens who would not survive without government funding (or if they stopped voting for Dems), enouraging Dad’s to split and for families to break up, so the governemnt can control them better and keeping their kids in crappy schools so that they will never get ahead is not racist?

Are you for real?

reaganaut on June 10, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Hitler was gassing and killing Communists, labor leaders, and all other members of The Left Wing.

Allah needs to bring in Daniel Pipes to school everyone here.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:31 PM

GarandFan on June 10, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Jeremiah Wright is a vet as well isn’t he?

catmman on June 10, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Stormfront. White Power, hates Jews, hates America.
Rev. Write. Black Power, hates Jews, hates America.

Yeah… no comparison. [/sarc]

Skywise on June 10, 2009 at 5:05 PM

+1

The left would prefer to ignore this reality and contrive to label white racists and “right” and black racists… well, there’s no such thing. /sarc

FloatingRock on June 10, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Hitler did to the German Auto-industry exactly what the left is doing to ours, atleast the VW(“People’s Car”) Beetle looked better than what they are likely to produce in the name of “Green Energy”

jp on June 10, 2009 at 5:31 PM

WRONG.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:29 PM

That’s a reader comment on Daniel Pipes’ website. It’s like linking to a comment on Hot Air as evidence. Not mentioned is Hitler’s talk about nationalization, the fact his party’s name actually involved socialism, the fact he was anti-gun, or how he talked about destroying capitalism.

amerpundit on June 10, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Crazy and hateful is crazy and hateful, no matter which party the evil SOB identifies with. We’re seeing an increase from both left and right extremes recently and it is really scaring me. The ‘blame and demonize everyone else’ rhetoric coming from the CinC isn’t helping, nor is his increasingly hostile behavior toward Israel.

Monica on June 10, 2009 at 5:26 PM

See? That’s called media induced anxiety.

Nazis are Nazis and Islamists are Islamists, they have murdered before and will continue to murder, because it’s a vital part of their ideology. Lighten up.

Aristotle on June 10, 2009 at 5:32 PM

My prayers go out to Mr. Johns and his family. May God comfort them.

Didn’t someone in the headlines earlier say that his site was against Christians also or was that a mistake?

Cindy Munford on June 10, 2009 at 5:15 PM

I did read today something he had written that said the Holocaust and Christianity were both “hoaxes”.

Kelli_D on June 10, 2009 at 5:32 PM

WRONG.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Hitler seized guns, limited freedoms, nationalized industry, embraced racism and consolidated political power within the German government. He was clearly a leftist.

fusionaddict on June 10, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Typo Alert:

Godspeed, Stephen Tyrone Jones

The victim’s name is Johns — not Jones.

Paul_in_NJ on June 10, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Skywise on June 10, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Ah, yes, I’d forgotten about the “Uncle Tom” mud thrown at Thomas.

amerpundit on June 10, 2009 at 5:33 PM

The left would prefer to ignore this reality and contrive to label white racists and “right” and black racists… well, there’s no such thing. /sarc

FloatingRock on June 10, 2009 at 5:31 PM

…The point being that different kinds of racists and haters can all fall on the same side of the political spectrum.

FloatingRock on June 10, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Yeah, Democrats did okay in Congressional elections over the next 25 years (the span of a generation). They kept the House and were picking up seats in the south by 1970. They did fine.

amerpundit on June 10, 2009 at 5:28 PM

The south used to be the Democrats base not the republicans.
The issue of civil rights led the southern bigots to embrace the republican party. There was no way LBJ was going to win reelection after the civil rights bill and Vietnam.

DAVID DUKE IS A REPUBLICAN AND A WHITE SUPREMACIST

equality on June 10, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Hitler was gassing and killing Communists, labor leaders, and all other members of The Left Wing.

and they were all territorial rivals, who were left-wing but not German Nationalist. Hitler was slightly farther to the Left than you are.

Command and Control economy, social Liberal(see Eugenics)…and loved by American Liberals at the time.

read Jonah Goldbergs “Liberal Fascism”, he takes on exactly these absurd points.

jp on June 10, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Since when is any one on the Far Left opposed to blacks

JUAN WILLIAMS: Obama’s Outrageous Sin Against Our Kids

and the Federal Reserve?

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Obama Nominates Fannie Mae Chief to Lead Treasury’s Bailout

TMK on June 10, 2009 at 5:34 PM

The notion that a WHITE SUPREMACIST is a leftist is baloney.

White supremacist have are all right wingers. Hitler was not a left winger by any means.

equality on June 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Another example of successful brainwashing by public schools and the mainstream media.

Read the other posts, fool. They are right that fascism and Nazism are more left than right.

Leftism => collectivism => state control
right(ism) => individual rights => freedom => smaller government

[my God, the troll really came pouring in yesterday, didn't they?]

UltimateBob on June 10, 2009 at 5:34 PM

amerpundit on June 10, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Hitler was gassing every Left leaning group back then, stop trying to rewrite history.

Nazis were throwing communists into camps, all Leftists in Germany at that time were doomed.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Taking bets now. How long before they cart Glenn Beck off to jail?

petefrt on June 10, 2009 at 5:34 PM

WRONG.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Hitler was a socialist for the Germanaic Race and believed that they should be equal and follow progressive values (like banning smoking, free health care, promotion of the arts and culture, etc)

You can’t stupidly say that because he attacked Communists he’s not socialist… He attacked Democracies too.

Skywise on June 10, 2009 at 5:34 PM

DAVID DUKE IS A REPUBLICAN AND A WHITE SUPREMACIST
equality on June 10, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Jeremia Wright is a Democrat and a Black Racist

dpierson on June 10, 2009 at 5:34 PM

DAVID DUKE IS A REPUBLICAN AND A WHITE SUPREMACIST

equality on June 10, 2009 at 5:33 PM

and he was kicked to the curb, exactly where we should send his pal Ron Paul…both of which are friends with anti-semite Dennis Kucinich

jp on June 10, 2009 at 5:35 PM

White supremacist are right wingers. They are against minorities (blacks, hispanics, jews etc..) They believe the only pure race is the white race and the Jewish man is trying to undermine them. Hitler was a right wing white supremacists so is this man

equality on June 10, 2009 at 5:05 PM

You’re half right. Hitler was considered right-wing in his day… but during that same time in history, Hot Air, if it had existed, would have been considered a lefty blog.

FloatingRock on June 10, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Of course had the guy shot up a military recruitment center, it probably wouldn’t even make the ticker…
catmman on June 10, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Gee. Did something like THAT happen recently? /sarc

Chainsaw56 on June 10, 2009 at 5:37 PM

The biggest anti-Israel, anti-Zionist and overall antisemitic sentiment exists on the left, not just here but in Europe as well. Case in point, unions (lefty organizations for sure) urged boycott of Israel in Britain and Canada; Israeli professors were boycotted by British academics (all lefties)and in the US,a group of American university professors started a national campaign calling for an academic and cultural boycott of Israel.

runner on June 10, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Hitler Stalin was gassing every Left leaning group back then, stop trying to rewrite history.

Nazis Bolsheviks were throwing communists into camps, all Leftists in Germany CCCP at that time were doomed.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:34 PM

FIFY!

Aristotle on June 10, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Since when is any one on the Far Left opposed to blacks
JUAN WILLIAMS: Obama’s Outrageous Sin Against Our Kids

and the Federal Reserve?

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Obama Nominates Fannie Mae Chief to Lead Treasury’s Bailout

TMK on June 10, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Haha, right like the Far Left is opposed to Acorn, is opposed to affirmative action, is oposed to government sponsored healthcare.

Stop.

AprilOrit on June 10, 2009 at 5:38 PM

April @ 5:25 PM
The problem is designating everyone left/right wing when that’s not the issue. The 4 guys trying to blow up a synagogue, the guy shooting the soldiers is not your fault or my fault and we fall at differnt ends of the political spectrum. This guy is a nut and it’s a shame he wasn’t stopped before he killed what was probably a good man with a family.

Pushing left and right wing streotypes is what causes a lot of this crap.

Vince on June 10, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Has anyone actually read the guys website? He’s definitely a conspiracy nut but he sure seems more like a far left wing fanatic with quotes like this:

The biggest sleight-of-hand trick ever, was the establishment of ROTHSCHILD central-banks. The ILLUMINATI gets a piece of every citizen’s earnings. Nations pay JEWS for the use of their own (Nation’s) money. it’s similar to the KOSHER TAX ON MUCH OF THE FOOD YOU BUY. It doesn’t matter that you despise JEWS-NEOCONS-BILL O’REILLY you pay the tax – or else you don’t eat. Hillary, Obama, McCain, Ruppert Murdoch don’t mind paying the Kosher tax, why should you care .

‘The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, The Trilateral Commission – founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller – and the Bilderberger Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens.’ — Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D., former German defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Woerner

‘You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.’ — George W. Bush

‘Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushs have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched.’ George Bush Sr. 1992

Capitalist Infidel on June 10, 2009 at 5:38 PM

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