Simply stated, your position is flawed. Gays have all the freedoms heterosexuals do, according to the law.

Fed45 on June 11, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Not per Rush Limbaugh; he wants gays to have the right to marry other gays.

I am saying that Mr. Limbaugh believes men should not have the freedom to marry men.

Like it or not, he is saying that hundreds of millions of Americans should have less freedom.

SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 3:56 PM

I know you won’t understand this, but what you are essentiallly saying is that people should have the freedom to break laws they don’t like.

For the record, I’m ambivalent on the issue of gay marriage. If my state, at some point, changes the law to allow same sex couples to marry, well, so be it.

I understand it’s frustrating for gays that the majority of people in this country oppose gay marriage and that everytime it comes up on a ballot it gets voted down. That’s freedom too, you know.

But, to repeat, NO ONE is being denied any FREEDOM. The example are looking for is when blacks were not permitted to marry whites. Now THAT was denying someone their freedom to observe a law.

Simply stated, your position is flawed. Gays have all the freedoms heterosexuals do, according to the law.

The woman is a three-ring circus with a carnival barker. Her family should be on Jerry Springer. She craves attention and is ditzy. Please, put her out on the national stage and watch the freak show begin. The gop has officially imploded.

athensboy on June 10, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Are you kidding me?? Did you not see her on the national stage in ’08? She rallied the troops and generated more excitement than I have seen in a long time. I realize that we lost, but I think that had more to do w/ people wanting to try something different (in other words anyone except for another Republican). The only freak show I can think of is the one inside the WH.

Nope. Just trying to get an answer. Guess that’s not going to happen today.

Guess I should know better than to expect intellectual honesty from you.

Must. Not. Feed. Troll.

SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 4:04 PM

So, are you unable or unwilling to answer simple questions?

How is the “freedom” to marry someone of your own gender different than the “freedom” to marry a minor? Not equating the two, just trying to get a handle on your definition of “freedom.”

cs89 on June 11, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Surely you are not calling Dick Cheney’s daughter a child molester, are you?

So, are you unable or unwilling to answer simple questions?

How is the “freedom” to marry someone of your own gender different than the “freedom” to marry a minor? Not equating the two, just trying to get a handle on your definition of “freedom.”

Okay, so you don’t believe in freedom. Just making that clear.

SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Hahaha! That’s really comical, hilarious even! Reread what I have written, at length, about freedom and what it is all about. To you, it’s a cheap talking point on a side issue that your President is not even in favor of!
Where are you insulting your President and Vice President? They oppose gay marriage as well.
Is Obama not in favor of freedom?
I don’t think he is, but for different reasons, see “social justice” above.

Either Mr. Limbaugh believes in freedom for all Americans or he doesn’t. It’s a simple concept.

SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 4:04 PM

What is the obsession you have with Rush? Why must you include his name in every comment, while not addressing the important substance of the arguments that you can’t win?

You don’t know the first thing about what Rush believes in, and you don’t really care. Men pretending to marry other men is not what I am concerned with. There are much bigger issues to address, like the future solvency of our country. You don’t seem to be able to talk about those things with any depth, so, again, I’ll leave you to your Rush fixation.

I am saying that Mr. Limbaugh believes men should not have the freedom to marry men.

Like it or not, he is saying that hundreds of millions of Americans should have less freedom.

SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 3:56 PM

There are not hundreds of millions of men who want to marry men, even though that is not marriage, it is something else, whatever you want to call it.

Nobody has the freedom to change marriage to something it has never been. Since you have nothing new to say, I’ll leave you be. For now :)

Less freedom than what?

Is it opposing freedom to say we are not “free” to smash windows of businesses we oppose? That we should not be free to place religious symbols on the roofs of public buildings? To marry underage persons?

Where does “freedom” end for you?

cs89 on June 11, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Either Mr. Limbaugh believes in freedom for all Americans or he doesn’t. It’s a simple concept.

SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Less freedom than what?

Is it opposing freedom to say we are not “free” to smash windows of businesses we oppose? That we should not be free to place religious symbols on the roofs of public buildings? To marry underage persons?

Where does “freedom” end for you?

Maybe I’m just speaking for myself, but nothing would be better for us libs if Palin is the 2012 nominee.

SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 3:55 PM

You just keep on thinking that. It’s perfect for our plans. Underestimate her at your own risk.
You could not debate your way out of a wet paper bag, Sarah Palin would deconstruct all of this nonsense you have said with ease.

If Sarah is not the nominee, her endorsement will be critical to deciding who is. She will still get the biggest crowds, even campaigning for someone else.
She is a force to be reckoned with, any way you look at it.

Also, she was right about Obama all along the campaign trail, and slowly but surely, people are waking up to that fact. You have no idea what things will look like in 2011-12, and neither do I or anyone else.

Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.

Like it or not, he is saying that hundreds of millions of Americans should have less freedom.

Mr. Limbaugh cannot say he embraces freedom for all Americans if he engages in the sophist claim that all People are free to marry others of the same gender.

He knows he is engaging in sophistry, which is why I think his claim to support freedom for all Americans is indeed just rhetoric.

True freedom means all Americans are free, not just some of us.

SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 3:49 PM

You are still attributing things to Limbaugh that you have never heard him say.
The statements about all Americans are equally able to marry the opposite sex are words from me, and a few other commenters.
Nobody said a word about Rush in their replies to you.
You have not refuted the substance of anything that has been put to you.
You just want to sneer and insult Rush and his audience, which is about 25 million now, without a substantive argument to back you up.

That is your right, under the First Amendment. You are not persuading anyone, however.

Most of the drama does not come from Governor Palin. It comes from those on both the right and the left who are trying to derail her possible future run for President.

For example, the Levi Johnston interviews. The tasteless Letterman jokes. The frequent and unsupported ethical charges laid against her. (How DARE SHE travel out of state and make personal appearances!!) And so on.

It is a freakshow largely engineered by the media. Blaming her is blaming the incorrect party.

ElvenPhoenix on June 11, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Maybe I’m just speaking for myself, but nothing would be better for us libs if Palin is the 2012 nominee.

For example, the Levi Johnston interviews. The tasteless Letterman jokes. The frequent and unsupported ethical charges laid against her. (How DARE SHE travel out of state and make personal appearances!!) And so on.

It is a freakshow largely engineered by the media. Blaming her is blaming the incorrect party.

Yes, agreed. I like Palin, but she needs to deliver the goods or go off into the sunset quietly.

PersonalLiberty on June 11, 2009 at 3:43 PM

You mean right now? What other Republicans are “delivering the goods” for 2012 in 2009? No one I have seen. Sarah will be fine, because she believes in, and fights for all the things I have just been talking about here.

She is a fighter with courage, and I respect her more and more. Give this process time to advance, and Sarah will let us all know what her intentions are. I have a strong feeling I know what they are, but we shall see soon enough.

He knows he is engaging in sophistry, which is why I think his claim to support freedom for all Americans is indeed just rhetoric.

True freedom means all Americans are free, not just some of us.

No more drama. Either buckle down as a serious candidate or declare now that you’re not running and let the freak-show coverage run its course. Can we agree at least on that?

Yes, agreed. I like Palin, but she needs to deliver the goods or go off into the sunset quietly.

I’m not talking about your right, I’m talking about Mr. Limbaugh and his contention that millions of Americans should not have the same rights we do.

SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 3:23 PM

I don’t know why I’m bothering to do this, because I know it won’t sink in to her thick skull, but….

SouthernGal, please provide evidence where Mr. Limbaugh hasa ever advocated denying legal rights as they are currently defined both at the Federal and the State level, to any class of person. And please be specific. Otherwise, you might as well be saying you know for a fact Elvis is still alive.

I’m not talking about your right, I’m talking about Mr. Limbaugh and his contention that millions of Americans should not have the same rights we do.

SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Back to Limbaugh again. All Americans have the same right to marry an of age individual of the opposite sex. The rights are equal under the law.
If some people decide to enter into a relationship that is not marriage, then that is their choice, isn’t it?
You want to change what marriage is, not give rights to people who do not have them.

No response about the meaning of social justice, or what rights we as Americans have, and what they mean?

Maybe you need to read up on the Founding of our Nation before you presume to put down others who have a different point of view based on what is actually in our Founding Documents.