Quotes of the day

posted at 10:30 pm on June 10, 2009 by Allahpundit

“As the health care debate heats up in Washington, we as a nation have to answer two very fundamental questions. First, should all Americans be entitled to health care as a right and not a privilege – which is the way every other major country treats health care and the way we respond to such other basic needs as education, police and fire protection? Second, if we are to provide quality health care to all, how do we accomplish that in the most cost-effective way possible?

I think the answer to the first question is pretty clear, and one of the reasons that Barack Obama was elected president. Most Americans do believe that all of us should have health care coverage, and that nobody should be left out of the system. The real debate is how we accomplish that goal in an affordable and sustainable way. In that regard, I think the evidence is overwhelming that we must end the private insurance company domination of health care in our country and move toward a publicly-funded, single-payer Medicare for All approach.”

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“Any health care reform plan that Obama signs is almost certain to call for nutrition counseling, obesity screenings and wellness programs at workplaces and community centers. He wants more time in the school day for physical fitness, more nutritious school lunches and more bike paths, walking paths and grocery stores in underserved areas.

The president is filling top posts at Health and Human Services with officials who, in their previous jobs, outlawed trans fats, banned public smoking or required restaurants to provide a calorie count with that slice of banana cream pie…

To some, it smacks of a ‘nanny state on steroids’ — but for others who fret that America is turning into one big Overeaters Anonymous meeting, Obama’s prescription is like a low-fat dream come true.”

Blowback

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Shouldn’t I have the right to food and shelter, paid for by my fellow Americans of course, before I even start thinking about health care? Oh, and cable….satellite will do but I prefer cable.

kahall on June 10, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Look for where it says that the government should buy me a new Mercedes Benz every year. I think it is right after that.

MB4 on June 10, 2009 at 11:21 PM

Too close to home, MB, since the government will actually be building a new GM for you next year.

Life imitates humor … as if imitating art wasn’t bad enough.

progressoverpeace on June 10, 2009 at 11:26 PM

I think the most obvious ones are actually well understood. People in this country have a very high incidence of diabetes. If they manage it, they can be fine. So many don’t because of the cost of medication.

Then, boom….they’re in the hospital. That is costing a fortune.

AnninCA on June 10, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Managing Type 2 diabetes is done with diet and exercise. Type 1 involves hyperglycemia, and usually requires some type of insulin. I doubt there are many Type 1 patients not receiving medication because of expense. They may be untreated because they are unaware of the problem, but that is different from your claim. They would probably be dead before long. Do you have data or a source to back up your claim?

a capella on June 10, 2009 at 11:26 PM

cynical, but i was born in 1986 what else would you expect?

ernesto on June 10, 2009 at 11:19 PM

You are young and I presume healthy. When you get old like me, you will change your mind and not want the government telling you whether or not you’re a viable candidate for treatment of any disease.

Think about it.

Knucklehead on June 10, 2009 at 11:25 PM

I was once young and didn’t think about healtcare. Then I hit 31 and had brain surgery and hip replacement in the same year.

txag92 on June 10, 2009 at 11:27 PM

I pay for my health insurance and medicine and don’t want any govt interference or mandates on how or what to eat or if I should exercise. I’m sure I’m not alone in thinking this way. The only problem is that no one in Washington is listening to us.

Kissmygrits on June 10, 2009 at 10:42 PM

They are all too busy sitting on their backsides stuffing their faces with lobbyist provided banquets.

MB4 on June 10, 2009 at 11:27 PM

The problem with our health care is that it is overloaded with too many people and we cant afford all of them now.

So the solution is to place more people into the system ?

William Amos on June 10, 2009 at 10:33 PM

His solution to government overspending was spend more everywhere else…so yes.

Don’t you know the only way to save money is to spend so much you don’t know what you spent it on?

18-1 on June 10, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Things my health insurance company pays for (which is frigging ridiculous):
1. Microdermabrasion
2. Chemical Peels
3. Botox
4. Tummy Tucks
5. Breast Implants
6. Liposuction
7. Eye jobs
8. Nose jobs

How did you get hold of Nancy’s medical records?

txag92 on June 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM

Healthcare is a right.

SouthernGal on June 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM

Shouldn’t I have the right to food and shelter, paid for by my fellow Americans of course, before I even start thinking about health care? Oh, and cable….satellite will do but I prefer cable.

kahall on June 10, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Well a lot of homeless shelters are government funded. They’re always helping the homeless when everyone else turns their back. And haven’t you heard of the Department of Housing and Urban Development? Or food stamps?

It’s time the Government provided all of the basic needs to Americans.

Kronos on June 10, 2009 at 11:29 PM

I think the most obvious ones are actually well understood. People in this country have a very high incidence of diabetes. If they manage it, they can be fine. So many don’t because of the cost of medication.

Then, boom….they’re in the hospital. That is costing a fortune.

AnninCA on June 10, 2009 at 10:50 PM

You just made my nurse-brain have a seizure. Clearly you know nothing of diabetes. Or how diabetics end up in the hospital.

Whatever. You’re a Kaiser baby therefore you know sooo much more than me who works in the frigging healthcare field.

mjk on June 10, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Shouldn’t I have the right to food and shelter, paid for by my fellow Americans of course, …
kahall on June 10, 2009 at 11:26 PM

The three most important things you need in life are food, shelter and clothing. The private sector provides these three things without fail and does abang up job (even with the government regulations hurdles). Why does many feel that the private sector cannot effectively provide healthcare to the masses? Public schools?

WashJeff on June 10, 2009 at 11:29 PM

How did you get hold of Nancy’s medical records?

txag92 on June 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM

I have my ways, darling. I have my ways….

:)

mjk on June 10, 2009 at 11:30 PM

The Government has NOTHING I need or want.

kahall on June 10, 2009 at 11:30 PM

I do confess, I know how to work the system. :)

AnninCA on June 10, 2009 at 10:44 PM

So did you “work the system” to help butcher surgeon Jay “Doctor Death” Patel stay at Kaiser for ten years?

MB4 on June 10, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Outlaw trans fat? Does that mean McDonalds can go back to using beef tallow and lard for the fries? (No artificial trans fats and darn tasty.)

Dave_d on June 10, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Knucklehead on June 10, 2009 at 11:25 PM

a long string of assumptions leads you to that conclusion. they involve the idea that currently, any attempt to rearrange the insurance apparatus will lead to a brutal up or down vote on every medical procedure, and will ultimately give us an expiration date not of our choosing. in the short term you’re probably right. but over the long term, im more interested in finding a way to do the right thing than dismissing every attempt offhand. i know thats wrong for x reasons that conservatives have already figured out, but as cynical as i am of current government, i hold out great hope for the future :)

ernesto on June 10, 2009 at 11:31 PM

AnninCA on June 10, 2009 at 10:50 PM
You just made my nurse-brain have a seizure. Clearly you know nothing of diabetes. Or how diabetics end up in the hospital.

Whatever. You’re a Kaiser baby therefore you know sooo much more than me who works in the frigging healthcare field.

mjk on June 10, 2009 at 11:29 PM

I seriously think this girl is 18 years old, if that. You can’t have lived life and be this stupid.

txag92 on June 10, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Things my health insurance company pays for (which is frigging ridiculous):
1. Microdermabrasion
2. Chemical Peels
3. Botox
4. Tummy Tucks
5. Breast Implants
6. Liposuction
7. Eye jobs
8. Nose jobs

The future probably includes pecker-stretchers.

whitetop on June 10, 2009 at 11:31 PM

ernesto on June 10, 2009 at 11:19 PM

It’s a tough one and I don’t think it can be handled strictly in the medical field. I think my biggest problem is that industries never seem to try to “fix” their own problems until it is forced on them and then no one is happy. But then that is easy for me to say since I don’t know what regulations tend to be road blocks. Tort reform needs to be addressed, the extent of liability for non-citizens (other than emergency care obviously) and the insurance companies could shoot for some consistency also. Needless to say at 55 I am hugely happy about someone from the government deciding that I have had enough fun in my life so no care of me. Anyone who thinks this is easy is fooling themselves.

Cindy Munford on June 10, 2009 at 11:31 PM

“Any health care reform plan that Obama signs is almost certain to call for nutrition counseling, obesity screenings and wellness programs at workplaces and community centers. He wants more time in the school day for physical fitness, more nutritious school lunches and more bike paths, walking paths and grocery stores in underserved areas.

Yeah? And when is it also going to include genetic screening so that we “can ensure the genetic health of all Americans”? Once we’ve identified the geneticly weak, will they be sterilized? Isolated? “Culled”?

I’m sorry, but I’ve been saying this for years; the same arguments that the American left is using, “for the good of the population”, is the same argument that the German National Socialists used in the ’30s.

James Moriarty on June 10, 2009 at 11:31 PM

The Government has NOTHING I need or want.

kahall on June 10, 2009 at 11:30 PM

Except 30% of you income back.

WashJeff on June 10, 2009 at 11:32 PM

And RINO’s will hold hands with this moron skipping and singing as they drag us all down to hell!
Western civilization is coming to an end,,,
…at some point the written constitution will have to be changed. As it is written now,,, it is meaningless. It is nothing but meaningless words because our whole system of government will no longer be based on it. To quote the Declaration of Independence in some schools now can get you into trouble. The constitution itself, if they seize now our health care,, if the seize our hospitals, nationalize the doctors and nurses,,, what does this piece of paper called the US Constitution mean???? Bill of Rights??? For who??? Individual rights??? What are they??? Freedom??? What is that???
The Constitution will be meaningless to our new system of government. It is laughable that we pretend any longer it has meaning. How can it??? How can our constitution be a real document while all this dog crap is becoming the new law of our land??!!

JellyToast on June 10, 2009 at 11:32 PM

Once we have national health care we should require regular doctor checkups or you’re put to the back of the line for any medical care. It’ll ensure citizens don’t miss things like Cancer and other highly preventable diseases. They are just costing the government too much money to be allowed to keep being lazy.
Kronos on June 10, 2009 at 10:48 PM

Mandating regular physicals? How long do you have to wait for an appointment with your physician now? Expect that wait to get a lot longer. How much time do you think your doctor will allot for each physical once it’s mandated? How will your doctor fit in daily urgent care visits, emergencies, serious diagnoses requiring multiple visits . . . not to mention consults with physician referrals, peer to peer insurance reviews, hospital updates, staff meeetings?

heroyalwhyness on June 10, 2009 at 11:32 PM

Do you have data or a source to back up your claim?

a capella on June 10, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Don’t hold your breath. She’s another Axelrod mouthpiece and disappears when you start asking for proof to her ridiculous statements.

Knucklehead on June 10, 2009 at 11:33 PM

Have you pro all out Universal health care peeps been having meetings or something? It’s the same talking points on every blog.

kahall on June 10, 2009 at 11:33 PM

They can’t run MediCare. How the HECK do they think they can run EVERYONE’s health care?

Pray you don’t get cancer; you might not be able to be treated if you’re only quoted as 9 months to live. It’s sad really. I have a friend that was quoted for 9 months to live and is on her 4th year. It own’t happen under ObamaCare.

deidre on June 10, 2009 at 11:33 PM

How did you get hold of Nancy’s medical records?

txag92 on June 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM
I have my ways, darling. I have my ways….

:)

mjk on June 10, 2009 at 11:30 PM

You must be in cahoots with Anninca because she knows how to “work the system”.

I haven’t been called darling in a LONG time and I’m from Texas. :)

txag92 on June 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM

Also, our economy will suck worse as people from different countries won’t be coming over here to get medical treatment. They don’t realize how many people come over here for health care, do they?

deidre on June 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM

Healthcare is a right.

SouthernGal on June 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM

Wrong.

SouthernGent on June 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM

Just posted at WSJ.com:
Karl Rove: How to Stop Socialized Health Care

Going off to read it.

WashJeff on June 10, 2009 at 11:36 PM

ObamaCare’s inevitable rationing, otherwise known as euthanasia, will kill countless chronically ill productive people. Myself included.

eschatus on June 10, 2009 at 11:37 PM

I follow developments in a particular disease and watch various websites.

On one website there was great support for single payer (the usual causes: horrid profits made by evil corporations and Drs.)

They are now finding that CMS is not going to fund one of their preferred treatments.

They are disappointed, they have a petition.

It is very sad. The only people who support this are 1. healthy 2. ideologues 3. Power-people willng to throw everyone else under the bus…..and of course 4. the sadly naive who really think that Dr. Nanny is a warm caring person.

r keller on June 10, 2009 at 11:37 PM

‘Thirty to forty group!’ yapped a piercing female voice. ‘Thirty to forty group! Take your places, please. Thirties to forties!’

Winston sprang to attention in front of the telescreen, upon which the image of a youngish woman, scrawny but muscular, dressed in tunic and gym-shoes, had already appeared.

‘Arms bending and stretching!’ she rapped out. ‘Take your time by me. ONE, two, three, four! ONE, two, three, four! Come on, comrades, put a bit of life into it! ONE, two, three four! ONE two, three, four!…’

ronsfi on June 10, 2009 at 11:37 PM

“First, should all Americans be entitled to health care as a right and not a privilege”

Depends on whether or not you believe in “Socialism”. Should the people that are “responsible”, take care of their lives and are personally responsible for their actions and spending…..be made to PAY for those that are suckin off the Govt. Tit, as a way of life?

What about Ileagle immigrents? Should they also be allowed into the “Universal” health care barry is proposing?

42% of Americans PAY taxes in this Great Country….to support the other 58% that Don’t.

Do the math….

Foxfire on June 10, 2009 at 11:38 PM

The president is filling top posts at Health and Human Services with officials who, in their previous jobs, outlawed trans fats, banned public smoking or required restaurants to provide a calorie count with that slice of banana cream pie

and banned foie gras, which was an undeniable clear and present danger

runner on June 10, 2009 at 11:40 PM

42% of Americans PAY taxes in this Great Country….to support the other 58% that Don’t.

Do the math….

Foxfire on June 10, 2009 at 11:38 PM

Only 42% of americans make enough to pay taxes? i mean, even accounting for all the fraudsters, thats still gotta be 50/50 or close. is it ok that 1/2 our country doesn’t make enough as a wage to be considered an “income”?

im only making on an abstract level, theres no way id advocate any sort of government answer to that problem. but i do consider it a sad state of affairs.

ernesto on June 10, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Most Americans do believe that all of us should have health care coverage, and that nobody should be left out of the system.

As it stands right now, anyone who wants coverage is not left out. That is an incorrect statement.

Connie on June 10, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Healthcare is a right.
SouthernGal on June 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM
Wrong.
SouthernGent on June 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM

You have two computers in the same house?

WashJeff on June 10, 2009 at 11:41 PM

On top of everything, health care is a state issue, and has no place in federal legislation. If some state wants to turn itself into a socialist hell-hole, then that state can do it, but it will suffer and fall into bankruptcy, after which it will have to change.

I am sick and tired of these super-state idiots trying to drive America into the ground. They know nothing about our country and would be much happier in some other country. But they won’t leave. They stay here and try to destroy us. They are absolutely despicable people.

progressoverpeace on June 10, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Perhaps in decided if Palin is running in 2012, the “wise” writers that went to Harvard, Yale, et. al, should be speaking on how horrible government-run health care is. All they have to do is show how horribly Medicare is. It isn’t that hard of an argument to win. Freedom to choose or no freedom at all.

deidre on June 10, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Under socialized medicine it is impossible to get an anal ring bleaching without visiting some back alley denizen with a razor blade and a bottle of hydrogen peroxide.

BL@KBIRD on June 10, 2009 at 11:44 PM

Why does no one mention Pres. Obama’s naughty little smokie-treat habit? All the low-fat diet & exercise programs in the world won’t stop a smoker from cancer or heart disease.

And I say that as one of those in shape smokers who enjoys a cigar and scotch at night.

Spc Steve on June 10, 2009 at 11:44 PM

You have two computers in the same house?

WashJeff on June 10, 2009 at 11:41 PM

No…and I am pissed that she chose a name so close to mine!

SouthernGent on June 10, 2009 at 11:45 PM

Healthcare is clearly, clearly not a right.

StockOption on June 10, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Do we really need to follow the rest of the world? I mean, Mexico has universal healthcare, but they’re still hopping the fence to flood our services, right?

So why follow Mexico’s example? Who’s fence are we supposed to hop to get medical care?

El_Terrible on June 10, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Oh Lord Obama, won’t you at least buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
The uptown folks drive Porsches, they must make amends.
Worked hard watching Oprah most of my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So Lord Obama, won’t you at least buy me a Mercedes Benz ?

Oh Lord Obama, won’t you buy me a health care plan?
Working to pay for it myself is too hard on me.
I want to get prescription drugs and a doctor for free,
So Lord Obama, won’t you buy me a health care plan ?

Oh Lord Obama, won’t you buy me a retirement on the town ?
Prove that you’ll take care of me and buy my next round.
Oh Lord Obama, won’t you buy me that big house down the block that I found?
I’m counting on you, Lord Obama, please don’t let me down.
- JJ

MB4 on June 10, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Why does no one mention Pres. Obama’s naughty little smokie-treat habit? All the low-fat diet & exercise programs in the world won’t stop a smoker from cancer or heart disease.

And I say that as one of those in shape smokers who enjoys a cigar and scotch at night.

Spc Steve on June 10, 2009 at 11:44 PM

We see him getting hamburgers and fries all the time too!

deidre on June 10, 2009 at 11:48 PM

progressoverpeace on June 10, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Very good.

Americannodash on June 10, 2009 at 11:50 PM

No…and I am pissed that she chose a name so close to mine!

SouthernGent on June 10, 2009 at 11:45 PM

Switch to ConfederateGent? As Northerner, I wish Lincoln was (a) not assinnated and (b) proposed to the confederate states the following:

We admit you back in the union, pay to fix up thing in your states, and adopt your (the Confederate) consitution sans slavery provisions.

So using Confederate in the screen name is good to me.

WashJeff on June 10, 2009 at 11:50 PM

No…and I am pissed that she chose a name so close to mine!

SouthernGent on June 10, 2009 at 11:45 PM

You’re a gentleman and she’s not a lady.

Schadenfreude on June 10, 2009 at 11:52 PM

Spc Steve on June 10, 2009 at 11:44 PM
We see him getting hamburgers and fries all the time too!

deidre on June 10, 2009 at 11:48 PM

I asked earlier if anyone knew if he kept his promise to stop smoking. I would hate for the next president (Jan 2013) to have to live in a smokey house with weed growing in the holistic garden.

txag92 on June 10, 2009 at 11:52 PM

One of the reasons that America is in better shape than much of the world right now is because we don’t have socialized medicine.

Connie on June 10, 2009 at 11:54 PM

You just made my nurse-brain have a seizure. Clearly you know nothing of diabetes. Or how diabetics end up in the hospital.

Whatever. You’re a Kaiser baby therefore you know sooo much more than me who works in the frigging healthcare field.

mjk on June 10, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Hahahah!

She is one of the the biggest bull$hitt3rs on HotAir.

Blake on June 10, 2009 at 11:55 PM

can I get me some free gas with this government “give-away” of COUGH-free-COUGH stuff?

TGSG on June 10, 2009 at 11:56 PM

Leave the health care system exactly as it is and make all health insurance premiums 100% tax/credit deductible.

Then mandate only vital life saving procedures may be done for anyone who doesn’t participate.

The system is already in place and its a helluva lot cheaper than O-care, of course the government wouldn’t have the leverage to control our lives, but oh well.

Speakup on June 10, 2009 at 11:57 PM

42% of Americans PAY taxes in this Great Country….to support the other 58% that Don’t.

Foxfire on June 10, 2009 at 11:38 PM

Although I get your point, I don’t think this is exactly correct. Living off my savings, and receiving no public assistance of any form, I spend $5,000 per year or less. Yet, I pay taxes. When I make purchases, I pay federal and state taxes directly, and I pay for the federal and state taxes that are hidden in the prices of all the products I purchase. So, even though I am not considered a “taxpayer,” because I pay no income taxes, I believe I pay, directly or indirectly, a significant portion of my income to support State and Federal governments.

Loxodonta on June 10, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Healthcare is a right.

SouthernGal on June 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM
Wrong.

SouthernGent on June 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM

right…that it is not a right…

Equality 7-2521 on June 10, 2009 at 11:58 PM

No…and I am pissed that she chose a name so close to mine!

SouthernGent on June 10, 2009 at 11:45 PM

Hey Gent, Don’t feel bad. we have a newbee that goes by -katy the mean old lady-

hummmmm….

katy on June 10, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Memo to President Obama: call one of the Health Tsars and inquire about 2 programs called Medicare and Medicaid.

R Square on June 10, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Why does no one mention Pres. Obama’s naughty little smokie-treat habit? All the low-fat diet & exercise programs in the world won’t stop a smoker from cancer or heart disease.

And I say that as one of those in shape smokers who enjoys a cigar and scotch at night.

Spc Steve on June 10, 2009 at 11:44 PM

We see him getting hamburgers and fries all the time too!

deidre on June 10, 2009 at 11:48 PM

*whispers*

pssst. Didn’t you get the memo. He’s practically a god, for Pete’s sake.

hillbillyjim on June 11, 2009 at 12:00 AM

Health care can not be Right… a Right can not be rationed.

mjbrooks3 on June 11, 2009 at 12:01 AM

Here’s an idea: Let’s vote obammy out of office and set up a gov. plan but make it voluntary.

Blake on June 11, 2009 at 12:01 AM

SouthernGent on June 10, 2009 at 11:45 PM

Don’t worry, we won’t confuse you with her (?).

Cindy Munford on June 11, 2009 at 12:01 AM

Is there an Obama joke in this: Picture of a unicorn left behind in ocean.

Should be able to think of one…must be too late.

WashJeff on June 11, 2009 at 12:03 AM

Health care can not be Right… a Right can not be rationed.

mjbrooks3 on June 11, 2009 at 12:01 AM

QFT

El_Terrible on June 11, 2009 at 12:05 AM

Whatever. You’re a Kaiser baby therefore you know sooo much more than me who works in the frigging healthcare field.

mjk on June 10, 2009 at 11:29 PM

hey mjk–i’m curious if you could tell me what others in the healthcare field feel?? do you notice if the majority are against this BS? if people are FOR it, what are their reasons?

Equality 7-2521 on June 11, 2009 at 12:06 AM

It’s just kinda hard for me to listen to a smoker lecture on health and take it seriously.

Alana on June 11, 2009 at 12:10 AM

I’d make two basic points:

1. Access to health care as “a right” sounds good to most people I’d suppose. Mandating that everyone have, and pay for, health care – whether they want to pay for it or not – would meet with much less acquiescence. Which is why it’s never put that way.

2. Suggesting that everyone in America should have a plot of property of their own sounds like a great idea to most people, I’d suppose. When they come to your backyard to put a family – who needs their “plot of property” – in it, though, the idea will lose pretty much 100% of it’s support. Which is why they never talk about the inevitable rationing that comes with “universal health care.”

jdp629 on June 11, 2009 at 12:11 AM

If it’s not in the Bill of Rights, it’s not a right. The end. You want to make it a right? Pass an amendment.

drflykilla on June 11, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Don’t worry, we won’t confuse you with her (?).

Cindy Munford on June 11, 2009 at 12:01 AM

I hope not! I’m sure she can’t pull off yellow like I can!

SouthernGent on June 11, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Hey Gent, Don’t feel bad. we have a newbee that goes by -katy the mean old lady-

hummmmm….

katy on June 10, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Looks like the leftover campaign funds are being used to pay lame-o astroturfers. *sigh*

SouthernGent on June 11, 2009 at 12:16 AM

SouthernGent on June 11, 2009 at 12:13 AM

So few of us can. LOL!!!

Cindy Munford on June 11, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Which is why they never talk about the inevitable rationing that comes with “universal health care.”

jdp629 on June 11, 2009 at 12:11 AM

Voters might not realize that lower cost health care for some will be achieved by rationing for all, but the red tape, lack of choices, cost, increased taxes are going to make most people say, whoa!!!!

Blake on June 11, 2009 at 12:17 AM

Healthcare is a right.

SouthernGal on June 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM

Just when does your healthcare become MY responsibility? Huh SoGal?

What if I happen to think that a 60″ flat panel LCD television is a right. Are you going to buy one for me? After all, if I don’t feel like working to pay for one, shouldn’t you provide one for me, since I feel it’s a “right”?

If having a clue is a right, you need to figure out where to acquire one, at someone else’s expense of course.

realitycheck on June 11, 2009 at 12:18 AM

Healthcare is a right.

SouthernGal on June 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM

. Most uninformed post by a newbie (left of center)
.
Repeating yourself over and over just confirms for me and all the others here that you are not right in the head. Or should we start calling you Mrs. Bernie Sanders

Americannodash on June 11, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Looks like the leftover campaign funds are being used to pay lame-o astroturfers. *sigh*

SouthernGent on June 11, 2009 at 12:16 AM

This southerngirlyman doesn’t sound like she’ll last long…

A

katy on June 11, 2009 at 12:20 AM

I’m entitled to what I earn, and that’s about it.

You want health care, you pay for it, just like I do.

Bob's Kid on June 11, 2009 at 12:21 AM

OBAMACARE DOA: AMA ANNOUNCES OPPOSITION!

NYTIMES: Doctors’ Group Opposes Public Insurance Plan

WASHINGTON — As the health care debate heats up, the American Medical Association is letting Congress know that it will oppose creation of a government-sponsored insurance plan, which President Obama and many other Democrats see as an essential element of legislation to remake the health care system.

The opposition, which comes as Mr. Obama prepares to address the powerful doctors’ group on Monday in Chicago, could be a major hurdle for advocates of a public insurance plan. The A.M.A., with about 250,000 members, is America’s largest physician organization.

YES WE CAN KILL OBAMACARE, RESCIND THE PORKULUS, AND PRIVATIZE GM!

- Posted by Reliapundit @ 11:50 PM ;

reliapundit on June 11, 2009 at 12:27 AM

reliapundit on June 11, 2009 at 12:27 AM

The pushback is rounding the corner. Let the games begin!

katy on June 11, 2009 at 12:29 AM

Yes, have a socialist be your point man on implementing universal health care.

That’ll alleviate everyone’s fears.

misterpeasea on June 11, 2009 at 12:30 AM

From the NYT article…

“The A.M.A. does not believe that creating a public health insurance option for non-disabled individuals under age 65 is the best way to expand health insurance coverage and lower costs. The introduction of a new public plan threatens to restrict patient choice by driving out private insurers, which currently provide coverage for nearly 70 percent of Americans.”

If private insurers are pushed out of the market, the group said, “the corresponding surge in public plan participation would likely lead to an explosion of costs that would need to be absorbed by taxpayers.”

Looks like the AMA gets it…

katy on June 11, 2009 at 12:33 AM

Alana on June 11, 2009 at 12:10 AM

I know what you mean, but we are not retarded. We just smoke and enjoy it. I’m getting that you don’t much care for smoking and do not want it around you. That’s fine, but it does not make a smokers opinion on anything irrelevant. If it does I am now ignoring anyone who is over weight. See where this goes?

kahall on June 11, 2009 at 12:34 AM

Yes, have a socialist be your point man on implementing universal health care.

That’ll alleviate everyone’s fears.

misterpeasea on June 11, 2009 at 12:30 AM

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A brown shirted one w/ BHO logo.

Americannodash on June 11, 2009 at 12:34 AM

Shouldn’t I have the right to food and shelter, paid for by my fellow Americans of course, before I even start thinking about health care? Oh, and cable….satellite will do but I prefer cable.

kahall on June 10, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Exactly. If healthcare is a “right” then so much more are “food” and “shelter” also rights. Why is it a homeless person gets free healthcare but not free food and shelter, which are not only more basic, but would make him healthier?

The problem is that NONE OF THESE are rights.

This is now the Bizarro world.

Felonious Monk on June 11, 2009 at 12:35 AM

Crappy healthcare is a right.

fronclynne on June 11, 2009 at 12:36 AM

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AND PRIVATIZE GM!

- Posted by Reliapundit @ 11:50 PM ;

reliapundit on June 11, 2009 at 12:27 AM

It sounds like a nutty idea, but maybe we could try it.
Has that ever worked before?

kahall on June 11, 2009 at 12:36 AM

Healthcare is a right.

SouthernGal on June 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM

Why do you have the right to the labor of others?

PackerBronco on June 11, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Inside of every socialist beats the heart of thief, who looks to take from others who he or she feels is his or her “right”.

PackerBronco on June 11, 2009 at 12:43 AM

Inside of every socialist beats the heart of thief, who looks to take from others WHAT he or she feels is his or her “right”.

PackerBronco on June 11, 2009 at 12:44 AM

AND PRIVATIZE GM!

- Posted by Reliapundit @ 11:50 PM ;

reliapundit on June 11, 2009 at 12:27 AM
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Yes & remove the cafe standards.

Americannodash on June 11, 2009 at 12:44 AM

Why do you have the right to the labor of others?

PackerBronco on June 11, 2009 at 12:42 AM

What don’t you understand?

We have the right to demand that other people spend $250,000 or more and spend many years in med school so that they can serve us with health care.

We have the right to demand that people put in the money, time and hard work to become scientists in pharmacology so that they can discover drugs to help us.

We have the right to demand that other people spend their lives inventing new and better techniques to diagnose our illnesses, like MRI, ultrasound, etc.

Not only do we have the RIGHT to all that, we have the right to benefit from all their time, money and labor FOR FREE.

It’s in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights or the Bible or something.

Felonious Monk on June 11, 2009 at 12:47 AM

It’s in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights or the Bible or something.

Felonious Monk on June 11, 2009 at 12:47 AM

Ah yes, now I remember. That constitutional scholar Bambi O’Bambarama was prattling about those “positive rights” in some radio interview a few years ago.

PackerBronco on June 11, 2009 at 12:50 AM

AND PRIVATIZE GM!

- Posted by Reliapundit @ 11:50 PM ;

reliapundit on June 11, 2009 at 12:27 AM
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Yes & remove the cafe standards.

Americannodash on June 11, 2009 at 12:44 AM

And drill for oil!

$250 a barrel is not going to go over well with an already pissed of population!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jun/10/oil-market-reserves

katy on June 11, 2009 at 12:53 AM

It’s in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights or the Bible or something.

Felonious Monk on June 11, 2009 at 12:47 AM

Heh. You know why they don’t think about these things, because these lefties are worse than statists, they are staticists. They cannot think in dynamic terms. To them, there is nothing but today, and things just are as they are and will always be the same. That’s why they always want to steal from what exists, because they just can’t think of the idea of growth. I experienced this while living on an Israeli kibbutz. Growth and dynamism is what kills them. If everything stays the same, they’re fine. But stagnation is death, as we know. They love stagnation, which is why I get such a kick out of the fact that they have actually gotten themselves into the position of being against “climate change”. It cracks me up.

progressoverpeace on June 11, 2009 at 12:56 AM

Too many comments to read, so I’ll just append my opinion, which everyone else will ignore, as I have ignored the previous comments.

First, should all Americans be entitled to health care as a right and not a privilege

Nope!..God has given you a life and free will. What you do with it is up to you and no one else. You are entitled to your life, and you are entitled to your freedom, until you demonstrate that you can not be trusted with that freedom.

Everything else you have to earn. God gives you a chance, as do most of us. That’s all you get.

Skandia Recluse on June 11, 2009 at 12:58 AM

Healthcare is a right.

SouthernGal on June 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM

As long as somebody else pays for it. Correct?

So, SouthernGal, please tell me exactly how many people you will be willing to support when they are able to exercize the right to healthcare.

Do you work enough hours to pay for the health care for yourself and two other people? How about three other people, if it becomes necessary? Would you be willing to work two jobs, and maybe a part-time weekend job, if it is necessary to pay for the healthcare for five other people?

The expenses for the program are going to be rising exponentially so people like you are going to have to produce a much larger share of the revenue necessary to provide this right.

Yoop on June 11, 2009 at 1:01 AM

reliapundit on June 11, 2009 at 12:27 AM

AMA opposition = game over

msmveritas on June 11, 2009 at 1:05 AM

Where O where has Entelechy gone?

I would dearly love to get her input on this issue.

hillbillyjim on June 11, 2009 at 1:10 AM

Healthcare is a right.

SouthernGal on June 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM

Then go out and heal people. Don’t force me to do it.

Ronnie on June 11, 2009 at 1:15 AM

Felonious Monk on June 11, 2009 at 12:47 AM
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FM to doctor: It hurts when I think this way.
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Doctor to FM: Well, Don’t think that way. Cured!!!
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Find the document proof $#%%^ to back up your opinions or do as the doctor ordered.

Americannodash on June 11, 2009 at 1:17 AM

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