Government insurance will kill private insurance
posted at 1:45 pm on June 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Democrats have taken great care to make the new health-care plans hitting the House and Senate this week look like anything but single-payer, socialized medicine. They insist that they want to maintain the private insurers in the market and give Americans choices in coverage. However, by pushing for a government-run plan to “keep insurers honest,” they have created a Trojan horse for socialized medicine, as Ronald Baily explains at Reason:
In his weekly radio address on Saturday, President Barack Obama declared that “it’s time to deliver” on health care reform. In a letter to Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), President Obama wrote, “I strongly believe that Americans should have the choice of a public health insurance option operating alongside private plans. This will give them a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive, and keep insurance companies honest.” This week Sen. Kennedy released a draft of his proposed “American Health Choices Act” which includes one such optional public health insurance plan. The administration’s goal is to report that bill out of the relevant Senate committees by the end of this month.
Earlier this week, Republican lawmakers sent a letter of their own, strongly warning the president that “Washington-run programs undermine market-based competition through their ability to impose price controls and shift costs to other purchasers. Forcing free market plans to compete with these government-run programs would create an unlevel playing field and inevitably doom true competition.”
When have we seen this before? Oh, yes … Medicare:
Defenders of the public option quickly point out that Kennedy’s American Health Choices Act promises to pay health care providers 10 percent more than Medicare. But as the Cato Institute’s Michael Tanner noted at Cato@Liberty, “When Medicare began, proponents promised it would reimburse at the same rate as insurance. That promise didn’t last long.” In fact, in his letter to Kennedy and Baucus, Obama explicitly endorsed the idea of setting mandatory physician and hospital reimbursement rates through the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission. In other words, the payments would no longer be merely advisory.
Government doesn’t exist to turn a profit, nor does it face competition. That’s why, in part, government operates so inefficiently. We put up with that in certain areas, like the military, because we don’t want private groups arming themselves with tanks, bombers, and armies and navies. In most other areas, we prefer the private sector, as competition usually gets us the best products and services at the best prices.
Government exists to service its interests, at least in its present form. Mostly, it serves to further itself. Any government bureaucracy that sees danger in competition will work to eliminate it. The dynamic in health-care plans would not be government making private insurers “more honest”, but in squeezing them out of the marketplace to create a monopoly. Since government doesn’t have to show a profit to exist, it will simply low-ball the other insurers on price until they all drop out of the health-care field. In an ironic way, it’s similar to how Standard Oil built its monopoly, which the government had to bust in order to get real choice and competition in the gasoline market.
Any public option offered by the government will be nothing more than a virus at the heart of the plan, through which the statists can push through a single-payer national health care system, and it won’t take that long to get it. Once the insurers understand the dynamic, they will run away from their health-care plans at lightning speed, leaving the field to Medicare, or whatever new name the Left dreams up for it.
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But if the government takes over health care…it will be FREE..right?
originalpechanga on June 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Will we ever undo the mess 0bama is plowing us into?
OmahaConservative on June 10, 2009 at 1:47 PM
So disheartening. But what can we do? America has spoken. They got their effing savior.
jennifernaz on June 10, 2009 at 1:48 PM
It’ll take twice as long & much more public support than BHO has now, but it can happen.
itsnotaboutme on June 10, 2009 at 1:48 PM
If you think medical care is expensive now just wait till it’s Free.
Dire Straits on June 10, 2009 at 1:49 PM
If this healthcare bill gets passed, it will never, ever go away and it will eventually become single payer. It won’t matter if we take back Congress or the White House.
This bill must be defeated.
myrenovations on June 10, 2009 at 1:50 PM
I remember an old episode from the Xfiles here. A man, living in China town, goes to what looks like a lottery. The winner gets to sell a personal organ, for cash. In this ep, the man wants to do this, to get his daughter the health care she needs because she’s ill. The man has already sold one of his eyes…then goes back for more. But this time, they need his heart.
Why do I see this in our future?
capejasmine on June 10, 2009 at 1:50 PM
But if the government takes over health care…it will be FREE..right?
originalpechanga on June 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM
nothing in our goverment is ever free, especially this administration.
SHARPTOOTH on June 10, 2009 at 1:51 PM
WAS THER ANY DOUBT? ALL OF THEIR PLANS HAVE A “HIDDEN” AGENDA.
marklmail on June 10, 2009 at 1:51 PM
This is absurd. Private insurance OWNS the government and has for years. It may change so the government pays the bills but I GUARANTEE the insurance companys will manage the system and STILL make huge money.
Redglen on June 10, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Their entire aim, not even hidden in wolves clothing. Let it happen at our peril, or just get healthy, as the Pecs in Chief is just saying.
Schadenfreude on June 10, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Why people like me (who work for health insurance companies) are jumping ship.
We know what’s going to happen in the next couple of years….
mjk on June 10, 2009 at 1:52 PM
The Arms (as in limbs) in Chief concurs.
Schadenfreude on June 10, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Well, I think the GOP is going to lose 2012 because of this position on healthcare.
The public wants it. The public voted for it.
I knew eventually there would have to be a discussion. I so disagree with the GOP on this issue.
AnninCA on June 10, 2009 at 1:52 PM
I GUARANTEE that those of us in the health insurance companies don’t believe that. We all know that eventually we will lose our jobs and will have to: (a) start working for the government (i’ve worked for Medicare, it’s much easier to work for an insurance company) or (b) find another line of work.
mjk on June 10, 2009 at 1:53 PM
For proof of Ed’s assertion, I will see how easy it is to replace health care with education in Ed’s final paragraph.
It happened with education. It will happen with health care.
WashJeff on June 10, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Imagine all those “elderly Democrats” that’ll find out they don’t qualify for that operation because they’re too old, and they got what they voted for, an earlier death sentence.
Jeff from WI on June 10, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Isn’t that their goal?
thirteen28 on June 10, 2009 at 1:55 PM
And how many jobs?
Knucklehead on June 10, 2009 at 1:56 PM
No they don’t. The latest polling shows 55% AGAINST.
And when did they vote “for” socialized health care?
Oh yeah, that’s right NEVER!
Skywise on June 10, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Others have been asking this question:
If the economy is such a Priority, why is Fauxbama going off onto the tangent of healthcare?
Chainsaw56 on June 10, 2009 at 1:57 PM
If we can’t afford our recovery, how can we afford the additional TRILLIONS for free healthcare?!
Skywise on June 10, 2009 at 1:58 PM
I would say they voted for it when they elected Obama. Anyone with half a brain knew it was on his agenda. It should really come as no surprise to anyone. It certainly doesn’t surprise me.
jennifernaz on June 10, 2009 at 1:58 PM
And just to repeat:
Those who sacrifice Medical Liberty for Medical Security deserve neither.
Skywise on June 10, 2009 at 1:59 PM
health care is the new commerce clause; it gives the government an excuse to do whatever it wants.
Chiasmos on June 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM
How about those who voted to get the troops out of Iraq 3 months after taking office?
Skywise on June 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Maybe from the sales of those Unicorns I keep hearing about…….
Chainsaw56 on June 10, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Suddenly, I am wondering just how much we could open up the military to private competition before running into problems like this. Particularly in things like Logistics.
Count to 10 on June 10, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Don’t know much about medicine
Don’t know much about producing energy
Don’t know much about an economics book
Don’t know much about the constitutional law I took
But I do know that I would love imposing Marxism on you
And I know that if you would just love Lenin too
What a wonderful socialist country this would be
La ta ta ta ta ta ta
(Medicine)
Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh
(Producing energy)
La ta ta ta ta ta ta
(Economics book)
Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh
(Constitutional law I took)
But I do know that I would love imposing Marxism on you
And I know that if you would just love Lenin too
What a wonderful socialist country this would be
- The Boy Emperor
MB4 on June 10, 2009 at 2:02 PM
It’s all leading to health care rationing. The older you are, the less your chances of getting the care you need. So if you’re planning on living to a ripe old age, good luck with it.
In a way, it completes the symmetry of leftist efficiency: Abortion at one end and geriatricide at the other. It’s Obama’s brave new world.
petefrt on June 10, 2009 at 2:03 PM
And get neither, really.
Count to 10 on June 10, 2009 at 2:03 PM
OT: 10 year bonds just hit 4.0%. Good times! Goood times!
WashJeff on June 10, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Actually in Iraq we did a lot of that. (Blackwater, Haliburton, etc) Which ran into some interesting issues about whether private companies were bound by the same treaty/humanitarian conditions the countries were…
Military equipment is also designed on a bidding contract basis by private companies too…
Skywise on June 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM
This kind of program, and spending it requires, while in a deep deep recession, with our debt getting bigger, is the wrong time to bring this up.
But then again, when no one has a job, at least we’ll have time to stand in the long lines daily, waiting to get treated. That is, if the government says it’s ok to treat us.
Nothing good will come from this. Just ask Canada, and the UK. Did you know that in the UK, if you’re lucky enough to get a hospital stay, you stay in a room with both men, and women? Oh Yay! I for one can’t wait to expose my bum in a room full of strange men. UGH!!! This isn’t what I voted for.
capejasmine on June 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM
The government already owns a health insurance company – GM. Now they just have to expand that pinnacle of efficiency to everyone.
4of8 on June 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM
I wish people who have NEVER worked for a Health Insurance Provider would STFU!! I worked for a NON PROFIT Health Insurer in WA State. Health insures are HIGHLY regulated by the Government, which results in absurd pricing structures and policies, etc…which leads to more guidelines and paperwork and expense…of course people NEVER hear about that.
Obama is pushing health care destruction and these stupid sheeple are walking right into it.
ihasurnominashun on June 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Count to 10 on June 10, 2009 at 2:02 PM
In Goldsworthy’s book How Rome Fell, he makes a case against privatizing military operations. He compares the U.S. use of private military contractors to the Romans hiring barbarians to fight for them, which didn’t work out too well.
Chiasmos on June 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM
If the point is “health insurance” for everybody, why not just provide tax credits for private insurance? (including people that make no income, so they’d always get a refund).
Boom, everybody can afford health insurance and government doesn’t socialize it.
Everybody wins.
Skywise on June 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Yesterday, after his speech on Pay-Go, Obama then encouraged Congress to set rules for borrowing the money needed for healthcare reform.
myrenovations on June 10, 2009 at 2:08 PM
That’s not the point. The point is control.
myrenovations on June 10, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Sometime around the runup to WWI the federal government decided that steel producers were changing them too much for the steel that was used to build warships so they decided to build their own steel plan. Three years after WWI had ended the plant was finally finished. The steel cost twice as much and the federal government soon closed the plant. However, it sounds, from your story, like Barackito Obamalini has got a work-around for that kind of “little problem”.
MB4 on June 10, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Borrow the money at
4%5% interest rate.WashJeff on June 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM
Oh, I know…
But if the GOP runs with that idea (and we know they WON’T but that’s beside the point) Obama and the Dems would be exposed to the power crazed nutjobs they are…
Skywise on June 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM
Yep. Pro-Life is gonna take on a whole new meaning.
TANSTAAFL!
Laura in Maryland on June 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM
Borrow the money at 6% interest rate.
WashJeff on June 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM
It’s not just their being a monopoly. They’re also quite adept at disguising their true costs.
I spent years at a private company competing for government service contracts. When it became apparent the privates could do it better/cheaper, the civil servants came up with the brainstorm to let public agencies bid along with the privates. And, thanks to budget chicanery, they almost always won.
Their buildings, phone systems, computers, etc: already there, so no cost attributed to them. The Mayor (CEO), comptroller (CFO), etc. would be there whether the city provided the service or not, so their costs weren’t thrown in. I could go on, but you get what I’m saying.
And that’s what they’ll do on health care. If their cost is higher than they’d like, they’ll just shuffle something off the books to another department or something. THere’s no way a private can compete with that.
jeanneb on June 10, 2009 at 2:12 PM
Real Trojan Horse in this is basic economics.
IF your employer continues to pay for your coverage, and YOU have to pay higher taxes so the “poor” can have free health care… then you are paying for Health Care TWICE…
Its a transfer of wealth…. which is unsustainable.
Thus, businesses will stop paying for health care… and give you a raise (which is taxable) to buy your own, or go on the government dole…
Yes, you will be able to keep Private Health Insurance, its just that unless you are very Wealthy, like all of Congress suddenly is, you won’t be able to afford it.
Romeo13 on June 10, 2009 at 2:12 PM
55% against? About the same as the percentage of people who actually PAY TAXES!
4of8 on June 10, 2009 at 2:13 PM
AnninCA is the old strangelet.
Schadenfreude on June 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM
I’m settled on this.
I’ve watched over the years, and benefits through employment simply doesn’t work anymore.
Small businesses are put in the awkward position of working people for 39 hours, to avoid the cost.
People who are loyal, hard-working, end up layed off, through no fault of their own. God help them if someone in the family has a chronic illness. Even if they manage to find a job, there’s that long waiting period for treatment.
People who are cobbling together a life through 2 or 3 jobs are often buying phony insurance, getting ripped off for premiums, only to be denied when they actually need it; or they are turned down flat.
This is an issue that the GOP should embrace if they wish to get back into the game.
They are turning away from small business by fighting it. They are aligning themselves with big business. They are perpetuating the myth that they are stupid by calling this socialism.
This is a turning point for the GOP. I’m convinced of this.
It will take someone with guts to speak up.
I hope they do.
AnninCA on June 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM
You would rather be bankrupt for the inability to pay your medical bills?
mycowardice on June 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Just say no to Obama/Kevorkian Care
Have your treatment directed by a Doctor, not a Bureaucrat
MB4 on June 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Congress is not on the Social Security plan, nor on any healthcare plan you and I will be forced to be on. Let them drink wine, while they force muddy waters on us, and rejoice at our own stupidity.
Schadenfreude on June 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM
I take heart about that issue. We clearly have a breaking point. The teaparties proved that.
That should not be the pivotal point.
We’re not about to pay for everyone’s acupuncturist, in other words.
But if you heard the recent story on 60 minutes about the costs in one Texas hospital, where 11 people drove up emergency room costs to millions, you’ll hear me.
That’s what is happening.
Let’s all get realistic.
AnninCA on June 10, 2009 at 2:18 PM
AnninCA on June 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM
You left out your typical IMHO. As usual your opinion might be humble, but it isn’t sound.
Schadenfreude on June 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM
This is all about total control of our everyday lives. The gov’t will be able to dictate your behavior thru “healthcare”. They will be in a position to tell you what to do, how to do it and where and when to do it.
If you smoke, drink alcohol, skydive, eat fatty foods or are overweight according to their standards, etc..then you can bet that some beauracrat somewhere will be telling you to stop or change your behavior according to approved gov’t standards.
I am a free man. I have an inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If ObamaCare takes over, then the gov’t will determine if I will get life saving medicine or treatment, which tramples my liberties and restricts my right to “pursue my happiness”
This is an affront to our foundational liberties and nothing less.
planman on June 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Bills are something the medical providers send AFTER you receive your care.
In the UK and Canada (start reading the BBC, Telegraph, Guardian…) people are not able to get care due to rationing and long lines.
I’d rather live long enough to file bankruptcy than have my family execute my will.
Laura in Maryland on June 10, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Please Mr. Obama, I don’t wanna go
Hey, Mr. Obama, please don’t make me go
I had a dream last night about my comin’ medical care
Somebody said “What you’ll get is
DashleKennedy Care!’”And there I stood with a rag in my mouth upon which to bite.
Please Mr. Obama, I don’t wanna go
Listen, Mr. Obama, please don’t make me go
There’s a bureaucrat a’waitin’ out there, just fixin to decide my fate
A complainer I’ve been called cuz I don’t wanna wind up screamin’ or dead
I wonder what the Kenyan word for friend is
Let’s see-friend– kemo sabe, that’s it
KEMO SABE!, HEY OUT THERE-KEMO SABE!
Nope, that itn’t it
Look at them durned fascists
They’re runnin’ around like a bunch of wild Mengeles and Kevorkians-heh, heh, heh
MB4 on June 10, 2009 at 2:20 PM
The reason your doctor is also for this change is because he hasn’t been in charge for years.
Right now, a low-paid insurance gatekeeper is telling him what he can and cannot order, as tests, etc.
That’s just reality.
AnninCA on June 10, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Oh honey, if this goes thru, and when the bill comes due, for all the spending being done now…we’ll all be bankrupt anyway. And this health care will have strict regulations. Rationing. There won’t be any guarantee to health care, other then if you pay taxes, you’ll be paying for it. The quality will be gone, but hey….a kid with 2 years of med school ought to be able to cover, for a qualified, and educated surgeon.
capejasmine on June 10, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Im a Physical Therapist and I own my own small buisness…a small outpatient physical therapy clinic in a rural area. I can promise you all, if this massive disaster passes it will be catastrophe unlike anything we have ever seen. We will have our health (basically our lives) dictated to us through rationing, we will be denied medicines, therapies, surgeries, etc that we need to not only live but to live quality lives. There will be HUGE waiting lists for basic care…in most cases basic care we now receive will be totally denied. Theres already a huge shortage of health care providers, and when Obama and Democraps get done butchering reimbursement, there will be even fewer providers willing to accept Medicare, Medicaid and his government run health hog. Think about it…adding the so called 47 million “uninsured” to the rolls…when we already have a shortage…and the horribly huge reimbursement cuts…why would people want to spend years of their lives becoming educated, racking up huge college loans, so they can become doctors, nurses, therapists etc…and make less money than an unskilled, high school drop out UAW worker?
Obamacare will completely destroy America. Weve got to fight it and figt it HARD. Stand up and fight please. It will take all of us.
Jackson1227 on June 10, 2009 at 2:20 PM
I’m sure somebody else already said it, but here I go anyway: That’s a feature, not a bug.
Jeff M (Formerly Jeff_McAwesome) on June 10, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Always, always……I post to opine. *haha
AnninCA on June 10, 2009 at 2:22 PM
You’re starting to sound more and more like getalife with your Axelrod talking points.
What part of 55% of the American people don’t want this can’t you understand? And please spare us with your “private insurer’s don’t pay and then you’re screwed” rhetoric.
Knucklehead on June 10, 2009 at 2:22 PM
I repeat, Republicans will LOSE small business with this fight.
They need help.
AnninCA on June 10, 2009 at 2:23 PM
AnninCA there are plenty of ways to address the problems in access to health insurance that are less controlling than a government takeover and much less expensive for all people.
myrenovations on June 10, 2009 at 2:23 PM
No! Really?! Wow! I’m shocked.
TheBigOldDog on June 10, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Amen! In the UK they’ve deemed meds for breast cancer patients can no longer be afforded by their national health plan. So either these women pony up the money for the meds out of their own pockets, or just wait…..to die!
I can’t imagine anyone who’s read the info out there thus far on this, and done research on other countries with Nationalized health care, would salivate for this. This is bad bad baaaaaaaaaaaad.
capejasmine on June 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM
The Welfare Credo:
You pay for the necessities;
We’ll pay for the luxuries.
Laura in Maryland on June 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Show us proof that doctors also want this? Links please. You need start backing up your crazy statements with backup.
Knucklehead on June 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Ann, a.k.a. strangelet, getalife and a few other autocommentons, to the rescue. Celebrate! Help is on the way!
Schadenfreude on June 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM
The Texas story I referred to?
11 people with chronic illness ate up the majority of emergency room costs.
That’s factual.
These people need real treatment for their conditions. That’s the gap we have today.
Can’t afford your care? Wait until you’re about on death’s door. Then cost your state thousands of dollars.
That’s stupid thinking.
AnninCA on June 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM
To the person that worked for the non-profit in WA. Did you know that the non-profit blue shield highmark systems in EACH state have BILLIONS in CASH each? Maybe YOU should STFU?! Insurance companys have tripled premiums since 1998 and cut reimbursement to doctors and hospitals by HALF. That is a fact. They DESERVE to be put out of business but WILL NOT be.
Redglen on June 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Links….gosh, I’ll dig around.
I thought you knew this. Doctors are for the reform.
AnninCA on June 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Not to get off topic here, but I’ve found Mil spec equipment to be the best around.
Chainsaw56 on June 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Proof please where small business want this.
Knucklehead on June 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM
While Americans are rushing headlong into a single payer health care system, it seems Canadians are contemplating moving in the opposite direction.
Ironic, isn’t it, that in the future, we Americans may be heading to Canada to avoid treatment rationing.
Puddleglum on June 10, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Intelligence just took a bow, with a tip of the hat.
Schadenfreude on June 10, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Oh yeah, let’s just call it a banana. That would be real smart. We can call all the inflation that the Boy Emperor Barackito Obamalini is going to bring on a banana too. There sure are going to be a lot of bananas.
MB4 on June 10, 2009 at 2:27 PM
In the UK and Canada, people that can afford jumping the line can go in the private sector (worse case, they can go to the US or India)
In the US, people that can’t afford the care don’t really have anywhere to go except to go down the road or bankruptcy (or death)…
mycowardice on June 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Knucklehead on June 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM
I have a small business. I’ve had to layoff everyone because of what’s happened in the housing market. Even if I had my staff back I would not want this. Ever.
planman on June 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM
What has really surprised me is the left-leaning British papers that feature horror stories day after day. It seems in the UK you cannot just take a child to the emergency room. From one article I read, it seems that doctors’ orders or an ambulance ride are necessary.
I’m hoping some of our British and Canadian friends could weigh in.
Laura in Maryland on June 10, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Here’s a link, with proven track record.
Schadenfreude on June 10, 2009 at 2:29 PM
If they can’t afford it, how can WE afford it?
Answer: They will get 0 coverage for their “non-treatable” condition.
Skywise on June 10, 2009 at 2:30 PM
So, you support rationing of health care services?
You support government officials deciding what procedures are appropriate for you and your loved ones? Which ones aren’t “cost effective”?
This has worked so well in Europe. I wonder what took us so long?
People have become used to the idea of everything in life being provided for them instead of having to work to earn their keep and purchase the things that will make their life better, safer, and more secure, such as housing and insurance. There is no “right” to health care in our founding documents,nor a “right” to home ownership, nor a “right” to own a cell phone, nor a “right” to eat for that matter.
Goddamn spoiled children. We are in a headlong rush towards mediocrity, and it is a sad thing to behold.
hillbillyjim on June 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM
That’s my point. If the government is a CUSTOMER to private industry they do much better than if they’re the provider.
Skywise on June 10, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Both doctors Mengele and Kevorkian give Obama Care their highest approbation.
MB4 on June 10, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Oops posted this on the wrong thread.
Here you go, link demanders.
AnninCA on June 10, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Then you should be FOR the Republican plan…
It takes the Health care costs away from the employer, and gives a Tax CREDIT to the individual to buy their own health care plan.
Thus your coverage is NOT dependent on some type of employment, BUT the system stays in private, not government, hands.
You know… an actual solution that still fits in with the Constitution?
Romeo13 on June 10, 2009 at 2:32 PM
One, please tell me that Americans aren’t so stupid as to accept this crap?
Two, wait until the delays cause people to not receive timely diagnoses and treatments. Need a mamogram? 9 month wait. Positive result? Another 3 months to see a surgeon. Stage 3 Pap test results? Again wait months to see a surgeon.
Blake on June 10, 2009 at 2:33 PM
My sister is home to die in hospice care right now. I am so glad that she will not have to deal with this. Now I will have to figure out how to keep my 85 year old parents in medical care until they die. The sad part is, those who voted for this clown will never acknowledge that HE is “the One” who screwed up the system.
After seeing the sale of Chrysler to Fiat, I am convinced, there is no justice anymore in this country.
catlady on June 10, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Americans might not be stupid enough to accept this, but the politicians they voted for sure as hell are. We have to live with the results of our apathy, and I do not see much effort on the GOP side to stop this.
catlady on June 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM
My thoughts exactly.
ladyingray on June 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Romeo13 on June 10, 2009 at 2:32 PM
but that is too sensible of a solution…
catlady on June 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Ed, the problem isn’t directly that government insurers don’t operate at a profit. It’s that they’re arms of the same government that can (1) subsidize them; and (2) raise rival organizations’ costs.
If there’s going to be a “public option” it has to be completely funded by premia and copayments, no subsidies. Or, far preferably, it’s non-governmental. 3-4 large, chartered nonprofits, for example.
Wow, I can’t imagine why a large insurer would need adequate cash reserves. Nope, just can’t figure that one out.
So Redglen, you’ve got a hate-on for the insurance companies. We get it. You can leave now.
DrSteve on June 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM
My thoughts exactly.
ladyingray on June 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM
To be fair not until this topic, but because of family I have not been keeping up.
How ya doing, ladyingray?
catlady on June 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Yes, I’m a Kaiser “baby.” I love it.
They don’t over-medicate, over-prescribe, or over-treat.
I’ve always loved my HMO.
I’m figuring that’ll be the type of program offered by a public plan.
No, you won’t get everything you “think” you need.
You have a cold?
You won’t get antibiotics.
That practice by “private” doctors, giving into their hypochondriac patients, has pushed us into a danger zone, medically speaking. Now, we need SUPER-drugs.
Why? Because so many of you wouldn’t accept that a cold or the flu is viral. You demanded anti-biotics and, thus, made them ineffectual.
Frankly, people. You’re a bunch of hypochondriacs.
You drive doctors nuts.
AnninCA on June 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM
AnninCA on June 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Ok, ok, everyone, play nice in the sandbox…..
catlady on June 10, 2009 at 2:38 PM
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