Good news: U.S. reportedly reading terrorists their Miranda rights now
posted at 6:22 pm on June 10, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Say, weren’t we warned during the campaign that this might happen if Obama won? Take it away, Sarahcuda:
Terrorist states are seeking nuclear weapons without delay … he wants to meet them without preconditions.
Al-Qaida terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America … he’s worried that someone won’t read them their rights?
As I recall, she ate no small amount of crap for accusing him of that given his silence on the matter before the election. But then, this is the same woman who said enormous tax hikes were inevitable under The One in order to pay for his catastrophic expansion of government, notwithstanding his campaign promises not to raise taxes on the middle class. How’s that prediction working out so far? Crazy Sarah and her nutty theories.
Anyway, yeah. Miranda warnings:
If Tenet is right, it’s a good thing KSM was captured before Barack Obama became president. For, the Obama Justice Department has quietly ordered FBI agents to read Miranda rights to high value detainees captured and held at U.S. detention facilities in Afghanistan, according a senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee. “The administration has decided to change the focus to law enforcement. Here’s the problem. You have foreign fighters who are targeting US troops today – foreign fighters who go to another country to kill Americans. We capture them…and they’re reading them their rights – Mirandizing these foreign fighters,” says Representative Mike Rogers, who recently met with military, intelligence and law enforcement officials on a fact-finding trip to Afghanistan.
Rogers, a former FBI special agent and U.S. Army officer, says the Obama administration has not briefed Congress on the new policy. “I was a little surprised to find it taking place when I showed up because we hadn’t been briefed on it, I didn’t know about it. We’re still trying to get to the bottom of it, but it is clearly a part of this new global justice initiative.”
It was thoughtful of the most transparent administration evah to force Rogers to find out about this on the battlefield. There’s a certain perverse logic to it, though: If you’re unwilling to use any form of enhanced interrogation to save lives, you might as well go the whole nine yards and affirmatively warn detainees that they don’t have to talk to you. That’s what a law-enforcement approach to terrorism means — accepting a heightened risk of an attack by eschewing certain preventative measures in order to heighten the risk of conviction in court later by following criminal procedure. How this squares with The One’s willingness to send drones into Pakistan and torpedo houses packed with people on the say-so of informants is beyond me, but I’m sure we’ll get a speech on it at some point down the line. Exit question: Why institute a Miranda policy for terrorists captured abroad before the Supreme Court’s even heard the issue? They might find a wrinkle distinguishing classic criminal cases from prisoners of war — especially if Sotomayor’s half as tough on crime as the White House spin team keeps assuring us she is.
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As Mark Levin just pointed out on his broadcast, we are being told that these are our supposed “American values” but we have not EVER done anything like this. This is an outrage, pure and simple.
Jayrad on June 10, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Then they will have to spend years like the Haditha Marines to defend themselves after a panty waist Dem accuses them of all kinds of wrong doing.
Talk about our troops being between a rock and a hard place.
chemman on June 10, 2009 at 7:31 PM
This administration is filled with idiots, morons, and incompetent fools.
2012 can’t get here fast enough.
AZCoyote on June 10, 2009 at 7:33 PM
I have a feeling this is just an attempt by the Obama administration to placate some of his people on the far left that have been clamoring for this to be treated more like a law enforcement situation. Like the post says: “How this squares with The One’s willingness to send drones into Pakistan and torpedo houses packed with people on the say-so of informants is beyond me…”
What sucks is that this does open the door for a criminal defense attorney to make the argument that his client wasn’t properly Mirandized. And if that gets in front of the wrong judge it could lead to terrorist walking.
This is the federal government, though. I’m sure they’ve war roomed all these various scenarios and have a plan in place on what to do with a terrorist they know is guilty but is freed because of some mistake a lower enlisted soldier or low grade officer makes when taking said terrorist off of the battle field.
georgemonroe on June 10, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Plus the last thing the soldiers on the ground need is more ambiguity about what they can and cannot do – that slows things down and costs lives.
dpierson on June 10, 2009 at 7:35 PM
This administration is a turkey stuffed with incompetence and basted with ignorance.
thomasaur on June 10, 2009 at 7:38 PM
I wish I could say I am suprised by this but I am not. I am sure this gives our troops a big lift in morale – NOT!
P.S. A village in Kenya just called. Seems as if their idiot has gone missing.
Shiloh65 on June 10, 2009 at 7:43 PM
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I don’t think that’s tequila, I’m pretty sure it’s Kool-Aid. Don’t drink it!
Oldnuke on June 10, 2009 at 7:44 PM
At $12 million per prisoner to get rid of them, we literally can’t afford to capture any more.
I’m starting to understand how my colonial ancestors must have felt just before they took up arms against the tyrannical/lunatic government of George III and their former motherland. Enough of this idiocy!
AZCoyote on June 10, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Well, we have always wondered how such thing may work in the real world. It seems that the Messiah is going to give it the old college try.
Let’s heard it for experimentation, let’s hope that we survive it.
El Coqui on June 10, 2009 at 7:54 PM
It’s true!!! Obama is king of the world! Suddenly, everyone in the world is a citizen because everyone is having their Miranda rights read to them!! Wow!! Unicorns are coming quickly!!! One in every garage!!
What better way is there to trivialize our rights as American citizens than to extend them ON FOREIGN SOIL to people who want no more than to exterminate our rights as American citizens. But I forget–that’s Barry’s agenda as well. All of you who voted for this mastermind of destruction: A pox on your house! (Not really, I wish you blessed beyond measure with wisdom from on high because you and the rest of us are certainly going to need it in the days to come. I’ve just always wanted to say that to someone and now I feel totally justified in doing so.)
Driefromseattle on June 10, 2009 at 8:03 PM
What could go wrong…….?
Seven Percent Solution on June 10, 2009 at 8:05 PM
When, oh when, is anyone going to pay attention to this kind of stuff????? Noone even knew this was happening? How can they direct this and noone know? Is this not getting a little scary?? I am not one of the people who thought this presidency was going to be a disaster just bad, but the more this kind of stuff comes out, the scarier this gets. Taking over of car companies and making cars the government wants? Telling banks and other industries how much money they can pay people? Reading people their rights on non US soil? Israel?
Seriously, this is getting scary. I sometimes can’t read the news as more and more it scares me to no end.
momof2 on June 10, 2009 at 8:06 PM
One more nail in the coffin on the muslim yellow brick road
xler8bmw on June 10, 2009 at 8:13 PM
My roommate’s response to the news of this idiocy:
“We’re f*cked, we’re done.”
infidel4life on June 10, 2009 at 8:20 PM
We read them their Miranda rights, give them a trial, even provide them wih a lawyer…but the administration won’t confirm that if they are found innocent that they will be allowed to go free.
So what’s the point?
DarkKnight3565 on June 10, 2009 at 8:28 PM
The ROE were bad enough in Viet-Nam now our poor soldiers are going to have to have a law degree to figure out what the ROE are. What are they going to do put a lawyer in every plattoon, squad and rifleteam to Mirandize the enemy?
fourdeucer on June 10, 2009 at 8:31 PM
I’m beginning to think that the Messiah – had He been thwarted in His political ambitions – would heve gone to a training camp somewhere and would right now either be hiding in a cave or strapping on a bomb belt.
He’s not a christian, nor a “moderate” muslim… He’s a radical muslim – how else do you explain all inviting the Egyptian Brotherhood (al-quada’s theological base) to frontrow seats for His Cairo speach?
Friendly21 on June 10, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Hey, even YOU can have full American Constitutional rights anywhere in the world! Just attack or kill an American, anywhere!
JeffWeimer on June 10, 2009 at 8:48 PM
I would love to know how the fuc they are going to interrogate these terrorists if they tell them they have the right to remain silent????????????????????????????
elduende on June 10, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Airdrop some Evelyn Woods vouchers, paint the Miranda warnings on all of your JDAMs and other assorted ordinance, and Mirandize the f*ck outta those vermin.
hillbillyjim on June 10, 2009 at 9:12 PM
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/11853
Yes he is! Out with the usurper!
dhunter on June 10, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Worst….President…..Ever!
Hollywood couldn’t make up a President this incompetent.
Fed45 on June 10, 2009 at 9:20 PM
Silence!
I keel you!
Daggett on June 10, 2009 at 9:20 PM
R Square on June 10, 2009 at 9:29 PM
All true conservatives support Miranda rights.
Only a statist would oppose reading the accused his rights.
SouthernGal on June 10, 2009 at 9:42 PM
Next, Barry Ostumbler-in-chief will put ACLU lawyers in foxholes, with our military. /Sarcasm
byteshredder on June 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM
I support the rights referenced in the Miranda warnings, but I do not support them for terrorists or anyone else on the field of battle, (and I do not support them for anyone who is in this country illegally.)
The Miranda warnings are not necessary in this country, and definitely have no place overseas dealing with enemy combatants.
Your statist word-bait is merely immature as well as unfounded nonsense.
hillbillyjim on June 10, 2009 at 10:11 PM
What….the….hell? What are you talking about? You’re joking, right? These terrorists are not criminals. They are not on US soil. Our Constitutional right to not extend to every person in the world. Get a clue.
Fed45 on June 10, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Doesn’t matter. As long as my tax dollars are propping up a military that is restrained by the Constitution, we should demand that anyone in their custody is also protected by it.
The accused has rights, like it or not.
SouthernGal on June 10, 2009 at 10:14 PM
There is, and should be, a huge difference between the accused and enemy combatants.
*sigh*
hillbillyjim on June 10, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Nope.
Just because some lawyer in government creates legal justification for holding me without Mirandizing me does not mean he has the right to do so.
Constitutional Law 101.
SouthernGal on June 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM
It means that Obama is in the September 10 zone with Bill Clinton — and we know how well that worked out.
Paul_in_NJ on June 10, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Go watch Law & Order and get back to us with some more amazing revelations.
hillbillyjim on June 10, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Nope.
SouthernGal on June 10, 2009 at 10:44 PM
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjBhMTRhNGJiZDA0YjcyYWM1MzlmNTMwZTRiYmJjYmQ=
Thanks McCain you friggin idiot I want my donation back so I can give it to whom it was really meant, Sarah!
dhunter on June 10, 2009 at 10:45 PM
INSANE
koypop on June 10, 2009 at 10:53 PM
NO MORE LAWYER POLITICIANS!
See how they view things?
rockbend on June 10, 2009 at 10:56 PM
This is the most amazingly unbeleivable argument ever… how in the sam hell do they understand the miranda rights read to them??? Are we to assume they all speak English, or do we now have to have translators in every country walking with our soldiers so we can do this????Of course, we should provide translators so they understand us…. they understand one thing and that is a gun and violence. Where in the hell does this crap end????
We have gone over the ledge of PC in this country…. it is getting scary
momof2 on June 10, 2009 at 11:08 PM
I’m wondering at what point our soldiers will throw down their arms in disgust and walk away. Even a volunteer army can only take so much – just ask George Washington.
If I wanted to destroy the combat effectiveness of our military I’d really be hard-pressed to find a better way…
Dark-Star on June 10, 2009 at 11:14 PM
Check out this related Onion-style parody entitled “After Granting Terrorists Miranda Rights, Obama Authorizes Use of Lawyers to Act as Terrorists’ Human Shields”: http://www.optoons.blogspot.com/ (June 10 entry)
Mervis Winter on June 10, 2009 at 11:23 PM
Hey, the last three letters of your “last name” are “G A L”
Is that you, getalife?
Del Dolemonte on June 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM
Add rules of evidence and a new pony to your wish list.
R Square on June 10, 2009 at 11:30 PM
If a terrorist merely wounds an American and we “overreact” by hurting his feelings, I have a solution. Send him on an all-expense paid vacation to Palau and pay that government a $12 million bribe. Oops somebody already beat me to it.
MaiDee on June 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Amateurs. Fools. Idiots.
Obama and crew know nothing of real life, and real threats to it on the battlefield.
Think beyond Chicago, Obama. Study warfare for once. The enemy bent on killing our military has two choices: death, or prisoner of war.
They do not become honorary American citizens for pointing a gun/rpg/ied at our people.
Insane is right.
shades_of_gasden on June 10, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Frankly banishment to Palau isn’t so bad. The only down side is Charlie don’t surf.
R Square on June 11, 2009 at 12:05 AM
MIRANDA RIGHTS????
FOR TERRORIST ENEMY COMBATANTS????
THIS INSANE TWIT IS GOING TO GET US ALL KILLED!!!!!
StimulateTHIS on June 11, 2009 at 12:29 AM
Exactly, that is why Obama won’t be around for a second term…he needs to learn to follow the rule of law.
right2bright on June 11, 2009 at 1:10 AM
I’m sorry. This thread deserves much more than 150 or so comments. The guy in the White House just damaged our country’s national security beyond belief. I’m beginning to revile this…man.
Erich66 on June 11, 2009 at 1:23 AM
I’m pretty sure someone else has already pointed this out, but unless he’s (somehow) granting foreign fighters the same rights as Americans accused of crimes, then the FBI is informing them that they have rights that they don’t actually have.
This would be remarkably stupid.
Jaibones on June 11, 2009 at 1:23 AM
I side with the Soldiers viewpoint on this:
I LOVE THIS SOLDIERS VIEWPOINT ON THE ARMCHAIR LAWYERS VS. THE SOLDIER ON THE GROUND IN DEALING WITH TERRORIST.
1. Get them surrounded is tough some times and dangerous. If you don’t surround them, they’ll slip away to kill you tomorrow, while you are talking
2. get a friendly in close enough to talk and convince them to surrender. gives away your position, risky for our talker, etc
3. you get 4 guys to walk out of the hut with their hands up. When you secure em,their guy on the RPD LMG hoses you all down. risky
4. Or, you get the 4 guys off to the side and one of them detonates his belt bomb and the Old man has to write more letters home. risky
better some times to stand back and call for a smart bomb on the hut or put a couple of 40MM through the windows, followed by a grenade in the door then sort things out
everybody is playing for keeps, and ultimately our casualties are the only thing that counts.
This insanity may lead to this:
OK, AL, what would you do now that my SGT captured, guys that tossed grenade that killed SPC Nieves, and wounded PFC Johnson with the RPD?
1. you gonna have your FBI agents bag the RPD as evidence, establish a chain of custody all te way to trial. take all the crime scene photos (under fire)
2. put another agent on the medevac (kicking of 1 of our lightly wounded) in order to get back to the EVAC Hospital and get control of the bullet comnout f Johnson’s leg?
3. stand down the mission to get witness statements?
4. Fingerprints and DNA all around?
then what?
a. release to the local miliary? can’t do that, they might be hurt?
b.stand trial in Federal court 3 yeas later? bring all the witnesses in?
c. just send them home?
what would you and Obama do?
Reading Miranda rights to terrorist is just another example that this administration is more concerned about appearances and theory than doing what it takes to defeat the enemy and making sure EVERYTHING is done concerning ROE to put the lives of our Soldiers first.
The Obama administration is making the Carter administration look smarter and stronger everyday.
This is in the same way that looking at Helen Thomas makes
Rosanne Barr look hot.
It’s lose – lose all the way around.
Unless you are the jihadist.
Baxter Greene on June 11, 2009 at 1:33 AM
Are you an attorney?
elduende on June 11, 2009 at 3:26 AM
I believe these wise words apply to Obama here and there and (to) every single one of his policies thus far (and most likely for the duration of his presidency):
Obviously Aristotle would not be fond of Obama. Obama`s “ethos” is painfully lacking in character.
If he were merely more character than a character lacking character I could accept that. But his occupancy of the office of president obviates my acceptance of the man.
Sherman1864 on June 11, 2009 at 6:42 AM
SouthernDailyKosGal
Everyone should know that the first thing a US soldier must do before taking a captive on foreign soil, during a war and after a pitched battle, is read them their rights under the US Constitution which since the soldier is a US citizen and which means the captive is now also a US citizen.
Taking their weapons, ammo, and body searches are secondary.
If the captive lashes out and otherwise injures said soldier, then this is just another combat death to be placed on Bush and Cheney’s arrest warrants. The captiive was only doing what he felt was right.
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Another way of looking at this new International Justice Movement by Obama is we will now have a huge demand for lawyers, and so this will solve not only the man-caused-tragedy problem but also save or create untold new jobs.
Friendly21 on June 11, 2009 at 8:05 AM
Thank you for propping me up. Give yourself a big pat on the back…. now slap yourself across the face and wake up! We are “restrained by the Constitution” concerning operations on US Soil. After that, it has no bearing on how we conduct war. You may want to check out this thing called the Geneva Conventions. They are often referenced in this debate, but seldom actually read. Interestingly enough, we have to learn about them.
The applicable part:
We can hold captured opposing forces for as long as hostilities exist. No charges, no miranda rights, no trials.
#1 point lady… we are not police, we are NOT social workers, and this not CSI Iraq/Afghanistan. Maybe we should just send a bunch of FBI agents to Iraq since it’s no longer a war… then I wouldn’t have to spend so much time away from my family.
BadBrad on June 11, 2009 at 8:10 AM
His next order will be to have ACORN register them to vote as they are helping them board the boat to America. Change you can believe in fools……………..Maybe he can persuede the Arabs to erect a statue of Allah next to the Statue of Liberty and have them join Jerimiahs Church.
bluegrass on June 11, 2009 at 9:12 AM
Next they will be offering the enemy wounded Social Security Disability benefits and/or a trip to Walter Reed Medical facility in DC.
I am very pessimistic about this country. I believe we have already been pushed to the break-up point. Wouldn’t surprise me that in 2012 Chavez and the Castro bros are on the ballot. At least we would know what we are getting.
hillbilly on June 11, 2009 at 9:42 AM
Hey! I like that!
oldleprechaun on June 11, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Where the heck is the HEADLINE on Drudge about this ?
EH ?? Good grief.
pambi on June 11, 2009 at 10:06 AM
I think the main point is that those accused by the government have rights.
You can like it or not.
SouthernGal on June 11, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Dear Madame, the question at hand is not a broad view of general rights, such regulations and laws currently exist in terms of how soldiers handle prisoners. The problem for which you appear unable to discern is that your liberal interpretation of rights, that if adopted would extend very specific constitutional rights to those who heretofore did not qualify for the protections you seek to provide.
There is a stark difference between a US citizen and their rights stipulated by the US Constitution and those provisions afforded to POWs or illegal enemy combatants.
My advice, don’t be captured on the battlefield fighting the US military or spend time with terrorists and you should be just fine.
R Square on June 11, 2009 at 12:14 PM
New Miranda:
You have the right to be silent. You have the right to be waterboarded. Anything you say can and will be used against you in the Court of Law. (Then we use the modified version from New Jersey, Nevada, Oklahoma and Alaska in “providing a lawyer”). We have no way of giving you a lawyer, but one will be appointed, if and when you go to court. Do you understand these rights?
djaymick on June 11, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Here’s what the terrorists think of obama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOgT9Ifw6Io&feature=related
jaboba on June 11, 2009 at 2:12 PM
So far, 0 for three..
kayo on June 11, 2009 at 2:40 PM
This could lead to a couple of new shows: CSI Afghanistan and CSI Pakistan.
ieplaya on June 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM
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