Good news: Cop tasers 72-year-old great-grandmother
posted at 7:35 pm on June 9, 2009 by Allahpundit
Stage two of my plan to give our new registrants a proper Hot Air welcome. We’ve already had multiple Palin posts; the obligatory 800-comment police brutality thread is next. Then all that’s left is a post on atheism and my work here is done.
The dashcam audio’s a little hit and miss so you’re probably better off skimming the partial transcript before watching. As I’ve said before in our endless taser debates, I thought the stun gun is only to be used to subdue a perp who presents a physical threat or who can’t be subdued any other way. This huge cop was incapable of wrestling granny’s arms behind her back to slap the cuffs on? What if he tased her and she had a pacemaker? Verdict: Desk duty for six months.
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Hey, I heard she had some brownies in the back of her car that she was going to chuck at him…
Upstater85 on June 9, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Checking Lexis-Nexus for stories relating to old women refusing to sign traffic tickets and instead shoot the cop. Standby….
Zero results? Can’t be! The internet must be broken.
kkaneff79 on June 9, 2009 at 9:51 PM
BTW, I hope the cops in your family aren’t anywhere near as unprofessional and violent as this A-hole.
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Is the “jet” in your name from the jet fuel you’ve been drinking?
infidel4life on June 9, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Clearly you have no clue.
In your abstract world where facts are ignored
Yes, going 15 miles over in a construction zone. Again, road crews don’t deserve safety in your world.
Which is what usually happens when you do not follow a legal police directive and ASK TO BE ARRESTED
Right, so now she is (and forget the she’d get run over at this point) is acting in a way that could cause a major pile up even if she didn’t go into traffic but simply by freaking out drivers by flinging a door open.
Not really http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/electrocution
She was.
- The Cat
MirCat on June 9, 2009 at 9:51 PM
More likely Ted would have settled for telling grandma to slow down and left it at that.
doriangrey on June 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Thanks for that reminder. I return to my original post on this, the officer was following “the rules,” but in the case, “the rules” were crazy.
Loxodonta on June 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM
STOP! Hold the presses! Now I know what the cop was trying to prevent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPaGQEskSKM
kkaneff79 on June 9, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Glad to see you know the law. I like smart cops.
Anyway, of course she wasn’t right. She should have obeyed him because all of his commands were completely lawful.
Still, I don’t understand why he didn’t defuse the situation and let her sign it. It seems he had that choice and that discretion. I still think he was just dumb.
Also, I don’t think you’re being completely truthful that once a cop makes a decision to arrest someone, he must proceed with it. There are plenty of instances where a cop decides to arrest someone, only to find out that the person is ANOTHER COP, and then that person is let go with a warning. It happens all the time.
Sydney Carton on June 9, 2009 at 9:54 PM
That cop needs to be put behind bars and tased every 30 seconds for a period of one year
feedercattle on June 9, 2009 at 9:54 PM
How about 72 year-old men?
darclon on June 9, 2009 at 9:55 PM
OMG, going 60 in a temporary 45. Shoot the old bitch.
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Best one I got recently was “I wanna speak ta your supervisor!”
Hahahahaha
Who knows the day this guy was having, a fundamental
misunderstanding is that Police are robots, you deal
with the general public everyday, it can get to you,
he may have dealt with seven morons aside from this
one that day. Just act with some civility towards an
Officer and things will go a lot smoother. Act like
a savage and get treated that way.
ac1 on June 9, 2009 at 9:55 PM
OMG, going 60 in a temporary 45 on the Interstate. Shoot the old bat!
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 9:56 PM
MB4
lol ted nugent would have shot her LOL
you’re makin me lol
stop
blatantblue on June 9, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Cops can’t be too careful…
patrioticzombie on June 9, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Yeah ummm an officer usually waits until after being told “You’re under arrest” to mention that they’re a cop . . .
- The Cat
P.S. I see by your link you are a lover of this site *eye roll*
MirCat on June 9, 2009 at 9:58 PM
If he can’t be professional enough to handle it he shouldn’t be on the job.
infidel4life on June 9, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Well gee Allah I’ll just go ahead & take care of that for you.
“I don’t believe in God.”
Now your work is officially done, feel better? You seem to think we are all waiting around here with baited breath for you to come up with some intelligent reason as to why you are an atheist so we will all be convinced.
Well don’t worry, we are totally capable of making up our own minds on that subject. So why don’t you just stick to politics, I don’t come here for spiritual guidance & I doubt anyone else does either.
‘The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”‘
Psalm 14:1
kg598301 on June 9, 2009 at 9:59 PM
>>Red, can you explain to me the reason why a cop cannot or should not change his mind to arrest someone, and has to proceed with robotic, mindless devotion to that single task?
Once the process of the arrest is in motion, which begins with the officer showing his intent to do so to the citizen via act or word, there is no turning back. Now, it’s a double edges sword in that the officer better damn well be sure he has an arrestable offense but, again, the time to debate this is not at roadside. Since, as I’m sure you know, if the charge you’re initially arrested on turns out to be unfounded, if you resisted, you’re still guilty of resisting arrest.
>>I don’t understand why that kind of mindless slavery to a goal is so paramount. What’s wrong with an officer re-evaluating things when the situation changes?
Evaluation takes place prior to the arrest process starting. Once it starts, it should never be voluntarily stopped until the arrest is made. This, again, is why the law allows officers to use up to, and including, deadly force to affect an arrest. If THAT don’t tell you there’s no “okay, timeout – you can go, this is just too difficult to arrest you” then nothing will.
RedNewEnglander on June 9, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Spoken like a true civilian.
ac1 on June 9, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Riddle me this Rover. . . . now why is it temporarily posted down to a 45?
- The Cat
MirCat on June 9, 2009 at 10:00 PM
A police officer has to always stay sharp…again, all he did was ask her to “back away”. She decided to be a bi*tch and refuse. And again, after repeated warnings she’d be tazed, she still refused. No sympathies.
What should that officer have done then? Grab her arm, fracture her elbow, and get himself and the department sued for physical abuse?
Or should the officer have simply let her do whatever she wanted. Like, maybe, pull a gun. Sorry you scoff at that possibility. Nest time you’re in DC, be sure to check out the National Police Memorial. Read all the names of officers who dies in the line of duty.
And yes, quite as a result of routine traffic stops, the kind you think there’s nothing to worry about.
JetBoy on June 9, 2009 at 10:00 PM
IMO, she had it coming…
g0tmylifeback on June 9, 2009 at 10:00 PM
We hear praise of power-wielding police who “show an old women who’s boss” by using a taser on her. Throughout the course of history, there have been many other such wielders of such power such as the Stasi and the KGB. Sometimes a majority of the citizenry has even aproved. But their countries were not free, nor can any country remain free under such despotic power. Some of the current worship of powerful police may come from those who admire force of any sort. Others hail the display of police power simply because they approve of the result reached by the use of such power. This is nothing less than the totalitarian philosophy that the end justifies the means If ever there was a philosophy of government totally at war with that of the Founding Fathers, it is this one.
- “Channeling” Barry Goldwater
MB4 on June 9, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Blatant Blue…
Still got yer mind on that buxom cop? heh…
JetBoy on June 9, 2009 at 10:01 PM
And just who is it that you work for?
infidel4life on June 9, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Another senseless act of tasering. If only the cop had peacefully handcuffed the man. NSFW
darclon on June 9, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Because the county needs cash.
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Allied Barton
ac1 on June 9, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Go watch the video of the NH (or was it Maine) trooper giving the old guy in the pickup (or was it an SUV) and then tell me how this big tough guy should have handled an upset old lady.
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Now, back on topic – how about *you* answer whether the old lady was right to resist the officer’s lawful orders or not, and I’ll tell *you* whether you’re right or not.
The remain on topic police are here! ;)
RedNewEnglander on June 9, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Glad to see you know the law. I like smart cops.
Anyway, of course she wasn’t right. She should have obeyed him because all of his commands were completely lawful.
Still, I don’t understand why he didn’t defuse the situation and let her sign it. It seems he had that choice and that discretion. I still think he was just dumb.
Also, I don’t think you’re being completely truthful that once a cop makes a decision to arrest someone, he must proceed with it. There are plenty of instances where a cop decides to arrest someone, only to find out that the person is ANOTHER COP, and then that person is let go with a warning. It happens all the time.
Sydney Carton on June 9, 2009 at 9:54 PM
RedNewEnglander on June 9, 2009 at 10:04 PM
she should know better than to mouth off to a texan
g0tmylifeback on June 9, 2009 at 10:05 PM
If that “officer” wants to stay sharp he should spend less time tasing old women and eating donuts and pizza and spend more time at the gym.
MB4 on June 9, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Yes, always no matter what submit to the police officer because he’s always right and you can always argue your case in court, just ask Cara Knott.
doriangrey on June 9, 2009 at 10:07 PM
+1
RedNewEnglander on June 9, 2009 at 10:07 PM
But donuts and pizza are so tasty.
ac1 on June 9, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Shoulda just went straight for the big bad ol’ grandma’s purse and saved himself the hassle.
infidel4life on June 9, 2009 at 10:07 PM
I love it, because it so true. This cop knew exactly what he was doing.
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 10:07 PM
So again work crews mean nothing. Merging traffic . . all people are great drivers and merge with respect and tolerance of other drivers. Debris and blown tires what do I care, I need to get home and watch Weeds.
- The Cat
P.S. TheBigOldDog with his kids.
MirCat on June 9, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Oh, here we go.
See what you did, AC1?
People like this is why I looooove arresting complaintants on calls. “You can’t do that! I called YOU and you work for me!!! WHARGARRRRRBEL!L!!L!!!!!1!1!”
RedNewEnglander on June 9, 2009 at 10:09 PM
The cash was for the county, the jollies he got electrocuting and old lady and watching her role around in agony and scream in pain were for him.
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 10:09 PM
A security company. Good, because with an attitude like yours you don’t belong on any police force.
infidel4life on June 9, 2009 at 10:09 PM
FAIL.
RedNewEnglander on June 9, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Yup she was a menace rolling around there on the ground screaming in agony.
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Let me be clear here – I dislike cops. I dislike authority. I don’t like being told what to do and not having the ability to respond in the manner I’d like. That said, you don’t mouth off to cops. This is common sense, something that I – like most people – learned as a small child.
Let me also be clear that if you were to taser me I’d probably have to hunt you down later and hurt you very badly. Moving on.
Beyond the fact that they (cops) risk their lives on a daily basis every time they make a traffic stop or respond to a call – and thus tend to be slightly paranoid to begin with – they have virtually all the power in most scenarios. Sure, later on if they actions were wrong they can bring it up at trial, file a lawsuit, ect, but at that moment, when the cop says “Do X or Do Z” you don’t sit and argue (unless it is something truly outrageous like “strip for me”), then mouth off – especially when we are talking about something as simple as “sign the ticket I’m giving you for doing 15mph over in a construction zone”. If
Cops – as others have noted – are people. They have bad days. They are also accustomed to their position of authority, and do not appreciate having it challenged – particularly on such an absurd matter. With that in mind, I can understand why, after she provoked him and harassed him and defiantly told him to arrest her, he was unwilling to back down. I’m not a cop, and I don’t know if I’d back down in that situation either. She pushed all his buttons, then tried to back peddle when she realized just how far she had pushed him. Tough luck. I have no issue with the shove to get her out of his face and out of traffic, and no issue with him arresting her at that point.
That said, as I said before, I think the taser was excessive. I don’t think he should have ever drawn it. I do however understand why he was more inclined to taser her then wrestle her to the ground, wrench her arms, and handcuff her. He was backed (by her conduct and his own) into a no win situation that was bad for everyone. It makes the police look bad.
I don’t fault either of them in whole.
Stomper on June 9, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Ahhh, mixing business with pleasure. Clever dude.
infidel4life on June 9, 2009 at 10:11 PM
I am coming more and more to the view that Allahpundit is the Norse God of Mischief, Loki.
MB4 on June 9, 2009 at 10:11 PM
If you’re talking about the one where the guy goes into a tirade at the top of his lungs, rips the ticket and the cop makes him pick it up or else get a littering ticket…Different story. That dude at least did what the officer asked him to. Ol’ lady there did not.
JetBoy on June 9, 2009 at 10:12 PM
To be fair – the screaming was in most likely exaggerated greatly.
Stomper on June 9, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Ya, why should that enormous fat f’ck spend a minute getting in shape when he’s got a gun and a tazer? He could handle 3 or 4 old ladies easily just the way he is!
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 10:12 PM
im with jetboy
mouth off and get a stick
g0tmylifeback on June 9, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Yes, different story because the officer was a professional and had no desire to see an upset elderly person be electrocuted.
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Stupid.
RedNewEnglander on June 9, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Spoken like a true jack booted fascist Gestapo thug, no wonder half of America despise LEO’s.
doriangrey on June 9, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Donuts in the backseat sometimes compel people to do strange things, at least when confronted by a, ahem, larger police officer.
Perhaps a taser is a bit much, considering the senility of the woman, but I don’t feel sorry about her. She’ll prolly end up getting a book deal.
Vortaine on June 9, 2009 at 10:14 PM
For really?
That’s like saying (here comes Godwin because talking to you is like talking to a hippy about work ethic) Mussolini wasn’t a problem because ya know he’s all hung. (Oh and at the last minute I change it up)
- The Cat
MirCat on June 9, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Man, yeah I really work for Allied Barton
Websters Dictionary defines sarcasm as……
ac1 on June 9, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Evidently you missed my Godwin commentary and what invoking it reveals about a person.
Whatever you do, don’t breal your fingers actually typing a cogent response. Are all cops this lazy?
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Please read my prior posts for why a Taser was most likely the most humane way to get her to comply.
Or, continue to wallow in your ignorance.
Up to you, really.
RedNewEnglander on June 9, 2009 at 10:17 PM
This is why there is such a lack of respect for LEOs in general. People can see the us vs. them mentality you have. Plus the fact that many of you are just plain pricks.
infidel4life on June 9, 2009 at 10:17 PM
As much of a porker as that cop is he will probably have a heart attack or heart failure in another few years and then go on taxpayer funded full disability.
MB4 on June 9, 2009 at 10:17 PM
This is why there is such a lack of respect for LEOs in general. People can see the us vs. them mentality you have. Plus the fact that many of you are just plain d!cks.
infidel4life on June 9, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Sometimes, short answers are all that’s required in a situation.
RedNewEnglander on June 9, 2009 at 10:18 PM
>_>
Stomper on June 9, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Breal? Too lazy for the default spell-check?
darclon on June 9, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Lying is in there too.
infidel4life on June 9, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Well, with the new upcoming court system, the cop will be covered, becuase his granny used to be hard on him and this 72 year old bitch obviously gave him a hard time.
People, get ready for it; In a socialistic state the victim will be the thug and the thug will be the hero……….
Dutchwolf on June 9, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Be honest here – the super freaking out over the tasing crowd – you would object just as strongly – if not more strongly – if he threw her on the ground and twisted her arms to handcuff her.
Stomper on June 9, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Yes, electrocuting 72 years old women is humane. Are you okay?
Where up here are you a cop? Please tell me as I want to make sure to avoid that jurisdiction at all cost for my own safety.
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Is that you ms. Crabapple?
Cheshire Cat on June 9, 2009 at 10:19 PM
I said a few posts back that some perp demanded to see
my Supervisor once. Told him straight up, I’m your supervisor pal.
ac1 on June 9, 2009 at 10:19 PM
My aren’t you the presumptuous one. In your zeal to score a lazy point you jump to all sorts of silly conclusions. Why don’t you take the time to come up with something meaningful to say so that you won’t have to hang around and try to pick low hanging fruit in order to feel like part of the conversation?
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Your lack of respect for LEOs has everything to do with your perceptions and little else.
And, yes – sadly, if you’ve been on the job for any amount of time, you do develop an “us vs. them” mentality. This *may* have something to do with “them” doing things that would keep “us” from going home to our families ever again but, hell, what’s that matter, right? We’re only cops. :\
May wanna change your tag to “immature4life,” fella. Just sayin’ is all. . . ;)
RedNewEnglander on June 9, 2009 at 10:22 PM
That settles it. You are ms. Crabapple marking up test papers again.
MB4 on June 9, 2009 at 10:23 PM
THANK you.
What, no Gouverneur Morris quotes to shore up your argument? You’re making a spectacle of yourself. You have one incident of police abuse, which none of us said didn’t happen. What we’re saying is, you’re blowing this incident way out of proportion, and all you’ve done is prove our point. Repeatedly.
I love that an anonymous blogger thinks he can lecture anyone on American history, though.
emailnuevo on June 9, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Perhaps you ought to consider changing professions.
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 10:25 PM
>>Yes, electrocuting 72 years old women is humane. Are you okay?
Given the situation, what’s your suggestion? Again, may wanna read my posts before answering. Or not.
>> Where up here are you a cop? Please tell me as I want to make sure to avoid that jurisdiction at all cost for my own safety.
Just to be safe, you should probably move to Mexico. It’s the only way to be sure. . .
RedNewEnglander on June 9, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Hey RedNewEnglander, they’re talking about us vs. them mentality of Police, good thing this isn’t a thread about
Correction Officers. You guys think we’re bad, that would
be entertaining to read.
ac1 on June 9, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Been there, done that, came back (like an idiot). :P
RedNewEnglander on June 9, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Yea, another Gestapo thug…
doriangrey on June 9, 2009 at 10:27 PM
So moral of the story: you pathologically don’t like cops. We get it.
emailnuevo on June 9, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Again, go watch the NH Trooper video to see how professional Law Enforcement Officers handle speeding tickets involving upset elderly people. The secret is, you actually have to want to avoid violence and teaching lessons.
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 10:27 PM
I would not want to work in a prison. No way, no how.
At least on the street you do meet some normal people and sometimes they have a kind word for you.
Unarmed, among the *known* worst scum of society – uh, no. :(
RedNewEnglander on June 9, 2009 at 10:28 PM
It’s never too late to try again.
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 10:28 PM
You sound less like Samuel Adams and more like someone who’s had too many Samuel Adams’s.
emailnuevo on June 9, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Wow, now that really displays a profound grasp of logic and rational thought.
doriangrey on June 9, 2009 at 10:30 PM
The secret is to call it the way you see it. You know, be honest. Sometimes the Cops are right (like that punk in Volvo/Honda/White SUV or the punk on the skateboard) sometimes they are wrong (like wanting to teach upset old women lessons).
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Coming from the brilliant mind that just called someone a Gestapo thug, I appreciate that very much.
emailnuevo on June 9, 2009 at 10:31 PM
I’ve been part of the conversation for quite some time (I just don’t post every 30 seconds).
You smeared all cops as lazy and this one in particular as a “fat f*ck” because you believe that the law does not apply to you.
You then presumptuously lectured RNE on laziness and I called you out for it. I’m not lazy if I don’t simply shoot my mouth off with the first thing that pops into my brain.
darclon on June 9, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Badges do not honor men, men honor badges.
… or don’t in cases like this.
MB4 on June 9, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Now why can we agree on the first half, but not the second? I’m puzzled.
emailnuevo on June 9, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Again with that stunning PhD level logic.
doriangrey on June 9, 2009 at 10:32 PM
My, my. Lazy, illiterate and presumptuous. You must be a model officer. I bet your community is so proud.
TheBigOldDog on June 9, 2009 at 10:33 PM
The problem is you see everyone as “them” — not just the perps, and then too many law-abiding citizens get treated like “them.” My respect, or lack thereof, for LEOs is directly proportional to the amount of respect they have for the laws they have sworn to uphold. You disrespect the law far more than the average citizen by holding yourself above it, and us. It’s too bad that these threads devolve into the same superiority crap you asshats dish out on the street. Go hang out with your cop buddies and tell yourselves how much better you are than the rest of us, I’m sure you need the ego boost after being around all of us lowlife citizens in this thread.
infidel4life on June 9, 2009 at 10:34 PM
I’d say all in all, that was pretty good treatment….considering she wasn’t black.
EMR on June 9, 2009 at 10:34 PM
When one acts like a Gestapo thug calling them one is accurate.
doriangrey on June 9, 2009 at 10:34 PM
And if a police officer can not control and constructively channel that “mentality”, then he needs to get a less stressful job like basket weaving.
MB4 on June 9, 2009 at 10:34 PM
The problem is you see everyone as “them” — not just the perps, and then too many law-abiding citizens get treated like “them.” My respect, or lack thereof, for LEOs is directly proportional to the amount of respect they have for the laws they have sworn to uphold. You disrespect the law far more than the average citizen by holding yourself above it, and us. It’s too bad that these threads devolve into the same superiority crap you assh@ts dish out on the street. Go hang out with your cop buddies and tell yourselves how much better you are than the rest of us, I’m sure you need the ego boost after being around all of us lowlife citizens in this thread.
infidel4life on June 9, 2009 at 10:35 PM
C’mon dude that was a classic line, you only get a chance
to say stuff like that to somebody every once and a
while, you can’t hate for me taking an easy one
with some chump.
ac1 on June 9, 2009 at 10:35 PM
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