Frank Gaffney: Hey, maybe Obama’s a Muslim
posted at 10:01 pm on June 9, 2009 by Allahpundit
The funniest part is that he tosses it out there, almost stream-of-consciousness, replete with Hitler analogy and then walks it back by saying it doesn’t much matter if he is or isn’t. As if the president of the United States conspiring to suppress information about his deepest beliefs is a theory to advance idly in the course of a larger foreign-policy critique. Hey, Frank? He can’t be Muslim. As I’ve told you many times, my president is atheist.
Consider this an object lesson in how to instantly discredit your own otherwise cogent op-ed:
This is not to say, necessarily, that Mr. Obama actually is a Muslim any more than Mr. Clinton actually is black. After his five months in office, and most especially after his just-concluded visit to Saudi Arabia and Egypt, however, a stunning conclusion seems increasingly plausible: The man now happy to have his Islamic-rooted middle name featured prominently has engaged in the most consequential bait-and-switch since Adolf Hitler duped Neville Chamberlain over Czechoslovakia at Munich.
With Mr. Obama’s unbelievably ballyhooed address in Cairo Thursday to what he calls “the Muslim world” (hereafter known as “the Speech”), there is mounting evidence that the president not only identifies with Muslims, but actually may still be one himself. Consider the following indicators…
In the final analysis, it may be beside the point whether Mr. Obama actually is a Muslim. In the Speech and elsewhere, he has aligned himself with adherents to what authoritative Islam calls Shariah — notably, the dangerous global movement known as the Muslim Brotherhood — to a degree that makes Mr. Clinton’s fabled affinity for blacks pale by comparison.
“The following indicators” are examples of rhetorical pandering to Muslims in Obama’s Cairo speech, from referring to the Koran as the “holy Koran” to following a mention of Jesus and Mohammed with “peace upon be them.” Secret code words betraying his true religious affiliation? Or … Obama being Obama by trying to find “common ground” with his audience in clumsy, heavy-handed ways? Who even knows if Obama’s responsible for those passages of the speech? Doubtless a whole team of White House wordsmiths worked on it.
Even so, I know that as leader of the Democratic Party he’s conservative enemy number one and always a viable suspect no matter how goofy the charge, so have at it in the comments. Exit question via Karl: I thought our big problem with The One was that he spent far too long subscribing to Rev. Wright’s nutbar Black Liberation Theology. Which is he, a radical Muslim or a radical Christian?
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If I had a magic wand and could change one thing, it would be to have the Right stop worrying what the Left and Media will say. Things would change dramatically overnight. Honesty and Frankness would return and people would flock to our Standards.
TheBigOldDog on June 10, 2009 at 1:23 AM
Allah,
There are two issues here: personal belief and religious law.
According to his personal belief, Obama’s an atheist.
According to Muslim law, Obama’s a Muslim. There’s no way around it. Islam is not Christianity – you don’t need to be baptized. If you’re born to a Muslim father, regardless of how religious he might be, you’re Muslim. End of story.
If his mother would have been Jewish, btw, he would have been Jewish according to Jewish law, regardless of how he feels about it.
Phoenician on June 10, 2009 at 1:23 AM
I forgot to add.
Allah, of course knows this. He’s the one who decreed it ;-)
Phoenician on June 10, 2009 at 1:24 AM
Provide a link.
Loxodonta on June 10, 2009 at 1:24 AM
There was an Egyptian I think being interviewed the other day and he said something like, Obama must hate Islam otherwise, why did he leave it.
TheBigOldDog on June 10, 2009 at 1:26 AM
He was baptized. Doesn’t that make Obama a Christian under Christian law?
Loxodonta on June 10, 2009 at 1:26 AM
Good thing Islamic law has no bearing on reality.
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2009 at 1:27 AM
I don’t know or care whether he’s a Muslim, but I’m sick of being treated like a 9/11 Truther just for noticing some uncomfortable facts.
Kensington on June 10, 2009 at 1:28 AM
Obviously your intellectual dishonesty is at its peak, you’re arguing like a child, and because you disagree with me you are worse than Hitler. I have won this argument, and everyone knows it. As a result, my penis has grown larger than the Panama Canal.
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2009 at 1:30 AM
How I wish that were true. Unfortunately, there are many underage girls forced into polygamous marriage, women forced to hide beneath burkhas, homosexuals stoned to death, apostates crucified and beheaded, thieves who have had hands cut off…
Loxodonta on June 10, 2009 at 1:30 AM
9/11 Truthers “just noticed some inconsistencies”.
Don’t whitewash.
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2009 at 1:31 AM
Not in this country, and as we’re discussing a citizen of this country, Islamic law applies just as much as the rules of Calvinball.
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2009 at 1:32 AM
Of course. It’s just that every once in a while, I still cringe at the horrors undertaken throughout the world in the name of Islamic Law.
Loxodonta on June 10, 2009 at 1:35 AM
pup tent
The Race Card on June 10, 2009 at 1:38 AM
If you haven’t seen the picture displayed on http://lucianne.com:80/main.asp” rel=”nofollow”>Lucianne.com‘s Home Page, it’s a winner.
Loxodonta on June 10, 2009 at 1:39 AM
Go to http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_ce...
and trace the circle dissected by the top fold. It’s distorted, it bends with the fold. The “seal” dissected by the bottom fold is folded at the same angle. If you have a laptop tip the screen back so you can see the shape of that circle. It’s perfectly round. I’ve tried every combination of page fold and camera possible and could never get that angle to produce a perfectly round circle. That “seal” was not on that page.
Could I just be mistaken? Double check it this way:
Notice that right under the bottom fold is the place where the father’s name is printed: Barack Hussein Obama. It’s the longest line on the bottom part of the page.
Now look at http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_ce...
Right underneath the fold, where “Barack Hussein Obama” is supposed to be, there is nothing. This can’t be the same document as on the other page. Why did factcheck post a photo of somebody else’s seal as though it was Obama’s? Because Obama’s didn’t have a seal; it was added to the photo digitally which is why it didn’t bend when the page folded.
Photo #5, the first one you looked at, is the only photo with both Obama’s information and the authenticating seal (except #2, which is a sideways version of the same thing). Photo #1 proves that the seal on #5 was forged. That’s all Obama has ever offered.
There are lots of other signs too (which can be seen at http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/ ), but these are 2 which validate each other and which can be seen by the naked eye by anybody who is willing to look.
This is forgery, a federal crime. What could be so embarrassing that Obama would commit a federal crime rather than let us see his COLB?
Especially since he could have requested from Hawaii a real COLB which contained only the information he wanted certified as valid – could have left off the father’s name altogether. He didn’t even have ANY real certified copy, or he would have done a relief shot of THAT seal rather than this one which is obviously not from the COLB he posted.
Why did he do this?
justincase on June 10, 2009 at 1:40 AM
Madison Conservative, how do you know he’s a citizen of this country?
justincase on June 10, 2009 at 1:42 AM
This old man
he played one
he played nick nack
on my thumb
with a nick nack patty wack
give a dog a bone
this old man came rolling home.
I love free association.
It’s one of the great American freedoms.
Loxodonta on June 10, 2009 at 1:45 AM
Okay. It didn’t do my whole link. The first one is http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg .
Second one is http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg
Sorry about that.
justincase on June 10, 2009 at 1:45 AM
Is rev wright a Christian?
Johan Klaus on June 10, 2009 at 1:50 AM
Wow. The genius managed to get through an entire two-year presidential campaign, get nominated to his party’s ticket, get through all 50 of the state election commission offices, all while fighting the Clinton attack machine, and finally got elected to the highest office in the land, and nobody noticed that he didn’t have the most important qualification for that office.
That makes him even more of a genius than Bush was when he masterminded the 9/11 conspiracy.
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2009 at 1:56 AM
Odd thing about the conversation. There is a dichotomy between ‘religion’ and ‘law’. notice that?
Madtom on June 10, 2009 at 2:01 AM
“MadisonConservative on June 10, 2009 at 1:56 AM”
and the evidence you have to support your snark is?
/not holding breath …
Buckaroo on June 10, 2009 at 2:06 AM
Nonsense, there are way too many differences to compare these things.
For one thing, if the Truthers are right, a terrible crime has occurred, and the government is filled with mass murdering sociopaths.
If Obama’s a Muslim, so what? We already know he’s a liar.
Kensington on June 10, 2009 at 2:08 AM
And just to be clear: I am not a Truther and have nothing but contempt for Truthers.
On the other hand, I couldn’t care less if someone wants to nitpick Obama’s history.
Kensington on June 10, 2009 at 2:10 AM
FIFY.
Oh, and Obama is a Muslim in the same way Bill Clinton is Southern Baptist. He’ll bow to the Sultan of Head-Choppers and recite murder-poems from the koran all night if it means more foreign $$$ for his perpetual campaign coffers.
TMK on June 10, 2009 at 2:11 AM
If he is, then he’s even a worse muslim than he is a christian.
notropis on June 10, 2009 at 2:12 AM
TMK, beat me to it, and said it better.
Story of my life.
If I was faster and smarter, I could be a professional blogger.
notropis on June 10, 2009 at 2:14 AM
Obama is not Muslem,Christian,or atheist.Obama is of whatever presuasion helps his self-interst at any particular time.By the way,why didn’t he take Michellle?I think she would look much better covered with hajib and nijab.
DDT on June 10, 2009 at 2:15 AM
I don’t think he’s a Muslim, but I find it odd that his conversion to “Christianity” led him to attend a racist anti-American church for twenty years led by a pastor with connections to the Nation of Islam… a “Christian” church that puts more emphasis on celebrating Kwanzaa than it does the birth of Christ, and has a bad habit of publishing Hamas propaganda in its newsletter.
All of that was troubling enough when Obama was just a candidate… but he’s the President now. And look at the way he has been crapping all over Israel every chance he gets as President, even going so far as to compare the Palestinian situation with the Holocaust.
Watcher on June 10, 2009 at 2:28 AM
I can’t access http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/. It crashes my browser. What little I could see of the site before crashing was all in giant, bold, black and red capital lettering. I don’t normally see that in evidentiary submissions. So, I take that as a bad sign.
Perhaps I am wrong, but I believe I’ve seen all the evidence claiming Obama’s certificate of live birth is fake. I don’t agree. And MadisonConservative, on June 10, 2009 at 1:56 AM, makes a compelling point. No electoral commission or court in our entire country, nor any of Obama’s primary opponents, have agreed that Obama’s birth certificate is false. However, you propose that i believe a blog posted in giant bold red and black print. So if your position is correct, it could only be a result of a vast conspiracy involving thousands of people.
This is where the “fake birth certificate” and “Obama is a Muslim” themes lose me. And this is why I believe the vast majority of Americans question the thinking of those you continue to promote such themes, which in turn will damage our chances of retaking the Senate. And so, this is why, I will soon no longer have the patience to have such discussions. Instead, unless proof that could convince a court is submitted, I will treat such ideas as being as much of a threat to our country as Obama himself, because advocating them, and thereby providing liberals evidence that conservatives are irrational conspiracy theorists, could allow Obama to maintain majorities in Congress.
I am sorry if this seems harsh, but I have to stand for what I believe, and I believe you are completely and dangerously wrong about this issue.
So, I suppose this means we won’t be singing “Kumbaya, my Lord” around a campfire, but I wish you personally no harm or disrespect. I just wish you would disenthrall yourself of these views. If you chose not to, I will either ignore them or treat them as dangerously incorrect.
And with that, I am about to get ready to go to sleep.
Loxodonta on June 10, 2009 at 2:33 AM
the thinking of those you continue to promote =
the thinking of those who continue to promote
Loxodonta on June 10, 2009 at 2:35 AM
Liar that he is, it really is not easy to figure out whether Hussein is a radical Muslim or a radical Christian.
No, I take that back.
I think he’s a Muslim, always has been, judging from his ties with Rev. Wrong and his, Obama’s, constancy in siding with his Muslim brothers. He dislikes the Jewish state, too; and who hates the Jewish people and who wants to annihilate Israel if not the Muslims?
mz.josephine on June 10, 2009 at 2:39 AM
Goodnight.
But I am still very disappointed in you about those Moose Seeums. I’ll be puzzling over them for days.
Loxodonta on June 10, 2009 at 2:41 AM
Sounds cool……………
………….. when do we start?
Seven Percent Solution on June 10, 2009 at 2:57 AM
I’m waiting to be accused of that.
I also just discovered that I can no longer access my email.
I’m having a wonderful end to my day.
Loxodonta on June 10, 2009 at 2:59 AM
Yeah, I find his embodiment of Christianity very unimpressive, and I say that as someone whose own Christianity is deeply flawed. But I’m a bit sheltered. Growing up a Catholic, my understanding of Christianity was that it was kind of strict and rigorous. I get the sense nowadays that some of the other denominations tend to be a bit less…demanding, let’s say, of its followers.
And apologies in advance to anyone who sees that as a shot at Protestantism. I really don’t mean it like that. I’m just saying that Obama’s Christianity seems to resemble little more than boilerplate Leftism.
Kensington on June 10, 2009 at 3:01 AM
Restart your computer…………
……… and while you wait, think of the day that ‘the one’ is finally defeated.
Always works for me………
……… Goodnight my friend.
Seven Percent Solution on June 10, 2009 at 3:03 AM
Thanks. Didn’t work. Going to sleep.
Loxodonta on June 10, 2009 at 3:12 AM
I say it as someone who isn’t Christian at all, I’m agnostic… but I’m disgusted by the way a democrat can go to such a vile church for twenty years and then go on to become President of the United States, especially given the way Republicans are treated. There’s no chance in hell that a Republican could get away with attending the white version of this godawful church even one time, let alone for twenty years.
Watcher on June 10, 2009 at 3:36 AM
Perhaps Muslims are particular about the religion of those who kiss their buttocks, I don’t know. To me, if you are kissing said buttocks, it really doesn’t matter if you are a Muslim or anything else, because you are submitting to Islam, which is what Muslims expect of believers and non-believers.
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Kensington ~ Christianity is indeed “strict and rigorous” as to the central beliefs. If you don’t accept Jesus as Son of God and Savior of humanity, it’s clear you don’t fall within the “strict and rigorous” guidelines. Some lines must be drawn – if you wear Yankees ball caps and sport a Jeter tattoo, you cannot be considered a Red Sox fan.
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AFAIC the Catholic Church, it remains steadfast upon those central points, but many of the extrapolations and righteous attitudes have been justly rebuked, and at least in part reformed, in recent years. The Church has rediscovered humilty, to its great benefit.
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Adjoran on June 10, 2009 at 3:45 AM
Great. As soon as we finally got rid of all the lib trolls, athensboy excluded, registration is opened so they all come swarming back.
Speedwagon82 on June 10, 2009 at 3:48 AM
I don’t think the people who suspect Obama is a muslim are crazy. I think he’s given us many reasons to doubt his being a Christian, and, call me crazy, too, but doesn’t anyone think the “57″ states slip in the campaign was a little too odd? Also his slip up on George S. show where he actually referred to his being muslim? Of course, George helped him out and corrected him. I don’t know if he’s muslim, but I know he does not speak the truth, and is it true that he refuses to release his official birth certificate in Hawaii? If that is true, what could be the reason? Just saying.
texanpride on June 10, 2009 at 4:09 AM
KArl, Allah: Why don’t you kiddies go play detective.
Meanwhile, the rest of us are busy pointing out to the rest of America that this man is simply a danger to the country as a whole.
Lockstein13 on June 10, 2009 at 4:30 AM
Loxodonta on June 10, 2009 at 1:26 AM scribt
Some denominations hold that baptism is more than symbolic, but there is no scriptural support for these hypotheses.
The parallel with circumcision should be obvious to all but the most obtuse:
Romans 2:27-29
fronclynne on June 10, 2009 at 5:39 AM
I don’t think Obama believes in anything but Obama. He is his own religion. After all, he has reporters bowing to him and calling him God.
Terrye on June 10, 2009 at 6:22 AM
According to “The One”, I thought there were 57 states.
Jeff from WI on June 10, 2009 at 6:25 AM
Note to Allahpundit: When the President makes a speech, HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. The idea that some other folks in the Whitehouse are responsible for the speech is beyond foolishness. It is his Whitehouse and his staff and his speech. How does MM tolerate you??
georgealbert on June 10, 2009 at 6:53 AM
Religion?
Belief in God?
The After life?
Heaven and the eternal torture of condemnation to Hell?
Jesus as you Lord and Savior?
Accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior, otherwise you will be condemned to the eternal torturous flames of hell?
Christianity is the only true religion and all other religions are wrong?
There is no God, only gullible people who believe in fairy tales?
Evolution is an irrefutable, established fact?
Obama is not a Muslim?
Obama is a Christian?
Obama is God?
Abortion does not kill human beings, for you are not a human being until sometime after you are born, or not until you are a “person”? Before that you are something else?
Obama was not born in the United States and he did not reveal his authentic birth certificate?
9/11 was a conspiracy involving George W. Bush, John Cheney, the CIA, Israel’s Mosad, etc. in order to start a war?
There are just so many things to consider, aren’t there?
William2006 on June 10, 2009 at 6:56 AM
Obama is a Muslim,atheist,commie,marxist,socialist,not a citizen,black liberationist,Manchurian candidate,Hitler,Neville Chamberlain,Mao,Chavez,Castro,Che,Kenyan etc. But NO, you people aren’t conspiracy theorists. Your totally sane and rational.And Sarah Palin is the smartest woman in America. You betcha
athensboy on June 10, 2009 at 7:17 AM
Well, there are.
The One said that America is a Muslim nation plus there are 56 member states of the OIC.
Do the math.
Shy Guy on June 10, 2009 at 7:22 AM
Yes. So?
Phoenician on June 10, 2009 at 7:33 AM
The problem is that no one knows what Obama is or what he believes, in religion or ideology, because he is constantly contradicting himself. I believe he is mentally unstable and his policies are not only dangerous to the US but to the global community.
2012 can’t come soon enough for me…
val647 on June 10, 2009 at 7:36 AM
There is one sibngle word you will never come to associate with Obama — Character. And that word is one of the most important things the founders thought was necessary for a President.
tarpon on June 10, 2009 at 7:41 AM
I don’t have any evidence to support whether he is a Christian or a Muslim or an atheist.
However…given the people that he has been hanging out with….I would say that he doesn’t have any real religious views. The intellectual elite of America has embraced a vague spirituality that embraces the view that Jesus, Buddha, etc are really the same person and it is really just important to be a good person and care for the environment and recycle and eat organic food and drive a Prius etc etc etc.
If you study Christianity, however, Jesus does not give us that choice. He said he was the son of God and he was the way. You must either accept this premise or you must view him as a madman. There is no mushy 3rd way.
None.
johnboy on June 10, 2009 at 7:42 AM
Please stop trying to discredit those who question Obama’s “Christianity”. Let the left do their own work.
Obama is the ultimate manchurian candidate, not just for commies, but for muslims.
Spartacus on June 10, 2009 at 7:43 AM
Whether he is a muslim or a black liberation christian, or even where was
actually born are only distractions. What we do know is that he’s a community
organizer trained in the Alinsky methods. As such he’s about breaking the government through entitlement debt.
He’s already shown that he’s anti-capitalism with his handling of the car manufacturer’s bond debt and the appointment of a pay czar, just to name two examples. He’s also demonstrated that he wants to deconstruct The Constitution
with the assertions that empathy is a necessary quality in the blind justice of SCOTUS, and that The Constitution is loaded with negative rights.
Whatever his background, clearly he’s a dangerous cult like figure at this point,and his policies need to be derailed before irreparable damage is done.
We might best accomplish this by frog marching the white house press corp (and the MSM in total) in a giddy conga line off of the nearest cliff. Then maybe “organizer” can be seen for what he is, a destructive force and NOT a figure of hope.
ontherocks on June 10, 2009 at 7:57 AM
real men don’t sigh.
redrock on June 10, 2009 at 7:57 AM
Yes I do understand Islam considers every baby born to be a Muslim from birth.
However, according to Sahih Bukhari (I do believe — it’s early right now),
Prophet Muhammad stated that every baby Muslim is either continued in the path of al Islam, or is perverted into a Christian or a Jew by his or her parents.
Under that, I would insist that Obama was “perverted” just like all of us into a non-Muslim
blatantblue on June 10, 2009 at 8:10 AM
So the premise of that entire statement is that barry has been an open book about his beliefs and ideology? Yeah, right.
From everything I have seen and heard, wrights preaching is closer to nation of islam than it is to any other mainstream christian branch. It’s all about hating whitey.
peacenprosperity on June 10, 2009 at 8:24 AM
I saw a blurb saying that there was more muslum literature in Rev Wrights church than there was Christian literature. Also in Rev Wright’s church they taught Black Liberation theology which should never be confused with Christianity.
Christianity is completely unique. God reaches out to man not man to God. In Christianity God offers unmerited favor (grace not law or rules) while all other religions are based on man’s work to be accepted by God.
Obama is probably some kind of hybrid rationalization of the graceless Black Liberation Theology and Islam. He probably intellectualizes all religious theory together to support his redistribution theology.
moughon on June 10, 2009 at 8:47 AM
I think everyone needs to see this is you haven’t. It sums this discussion up beautifully http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpQOCvthw-o
HoustonRight on June 10, 2009 at 8:51 AM
I have the utmost respect for Frank Gaffney and the Center for Security Policy. Frank has not only done some great work here exposing Obama’s leanings but lets remember, he also put the spotlight on a Republican, Grover Norquist.
Frank does the heavy lifting that others are far too timid and cowardly to do. I’m thankful for him. Darvin Dowdy
Darvin Dowdy on June 10, 2009 at 8:57 AM
I don’t really care if he is a crypto-Muslim or a simple dhimmi.
Disturb the Universe on June 10, 2009 at 9:01 AM
He’s still an atheist with Muslim sympathies.
Disturb the Universe on June 10, 2009 at 9:02 AM
Psssst.
In case you haven’t noticed, Obama doesn’t give a rat’s behind about the law.
Daggett on June 10, 2009 at 9:04 AM
I agree. The enormous unemployment, soaring deficits, rising oil prices, nationalizations, failing Sotomayor nomination, falling dollar, socializing our health care system, problems with N. Korea, Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Israel, China, Germany, are all grave issues, and many serious-minded people are wondering if Obama can still rescue his failed presidency. And with a moron for a VP, a hindrance for a wife, 21 czars, and a cabinet of dunces, he’s largely on his own. It’s sad, but the polls show the voters are beginning to reject him so there’s some hope for optimism. Keep the faith.
JiangxiDad on June 10, 2009 at 9:08 AM
Opps..messed up the link. Its is Randy Forbes addressing Congress on “In God We Trust”.
HoustonRight on June 10, 2009 at 9:08 AM
So Muslim law makes a difference, but Christian law doesn’t?
Curious.
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2009 at 9:10 AM
Yes. He feels a connection to the Muslim world, and I for one DO NOT BLAME HIM.
I feel a connection to the Irish Catholic world/community. I grew up in it. So even if I move to a largely black or hispanic community or Muslim community one day, I’ll feel those sympathies.
But I think the biggest reason for his sympathies is that he is a LEFTIST.
The left, as we ALLLL KNOW, has a history of showing deference to that community.
blatantblue on June 10, 2009 at 9:20 AM
He’s a radical, that’s for sure. Black Liberation Theology is at the heart of Hussein’s bastardized “Christianity”, and also of the Nation of Islam. It’s not a religion, it’s a Marxist political movement. Look who else is a “minister” in the B.L.T. movement:
- Malik Zulu Shabaaz
Buy Danish on June 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM
That’s because they’re all Muslims. You’re just blind to the TRUTH.
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2009 at 9:43 AM
Madison Conservative at 1:56AM
In all that time, name me one person who saw his real, certified (non-forged) birth certificate. What, except his own word (and we know how much that can be trusted)actually verifies his eligibility?
justincase on June 10, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Loxodonta at 2:33AM
I’m just out the door so this is quick. Did you look at the factcheck photos #5 and #1? No red words and flashing letters. Just what Obama claims is enough. Did you see the perfectly round seal on the fold of the page? Did you see that “Barack Hussein Obama” was missing from the close-up of the “seal”?
I’m not asking a lot – just that you look at the specific evidence I mentioned. Let me know what you saw.
justincase on June 10, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Would a Christian call the Koran “holy”? To a Jew or a Christian the only holy books are collected together in the Bible. And, unlike other “religious” text it can prove itself to be holy.
I don’t think bho is a Muslim but I don’t think he’s an anything. He just says words to easily duped people to meet the needs of the moment. If you’re speaking to Muslims just though in a few islamisms and you’re good to go.
The biggest trouble with bho is that ALL of America is going to suffer because of him.
Mojave Mark on June 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM
If someone is baptized a Christian and then converts to Islam for the purpose of secretly subverting Islam or an Islamic nation, would that person be a Muslim or a Christian?
Buddahpundit on June 10, 2009 at 10:09 AM
What, except his own word, proves he’s not a space alien?
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Obama is just pure, unadulterated evil, that’s what he is!
Special K on June 10, 2009 at 10:18 AM
He can’t be a Muslim, that would require him to believe that Allah is god of all, when Obama Knows that is his title.
Nathan_OH on June 10, 2009 at 10:18 AM
I believe this argument has been settled.”I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God.”–Evan Thomas.
Clink on June 10, 2009 at 10:24 AM
Exactly.
Also, I see people are still fighting with every fiber of their beings to ignore what Obama said in his speech in favor of bashing those, like Gaffney, who want to analyze it.
KittyLowrey on June 10, 2009 at 10:33 AM
When has Obama claimed he’s not a space alien?
There is no evidence that Obama is a space alien or that space aliens exist, so there would be no basis for claiming that he is a space alien.
Buddahpundit on June 10, 2009 at 10:46 AM
I’m not so sure that there is really a hard and fast line between those. I’m guessing the distinction gets a little blurry.
Count to 10 on June 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM
The Left has only one true religion: Anti-Americanism. In this regard, “Americanism” is held to be the embodiment of Western Civilization and the Judeo-Christian ethic that pervades it. If you view BHO’s comments through this prism, alles klar.
Hucklebuck on June 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM
There’s no evidence that he’s NOT, though.
See what I did there?
That’s the line of reasoning being used here.
MadisonConservative on June 10, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Scott at Powerline has a thoughtful post on the speech and Gaffney’s piece. He had previously posted notes on Obama’s speech that he also links to:
Do you recall what was revealed?
KittyLowrey on June 10, 2009 at 11:03 AM
No kidding. Black Liberation theology is the common thread of Rev. Wright’s “Christianity” and the Nation of Islam (as “ministered” by such charmers as the New Black Panther Party’s Malik Zulu Shabaaz).
Buy Danish on June 10, 2009 at 11:17 AM
That’s interesting because I’ve had to produce documents proving my citizenship for all sorts of things and it never occurred to me to turn it around and challenge them to produce documents showing that I’m not a citizen. I guess I could try that next time I’m asked to prove my citizenship, but it’s really not difficult for me to produce my birth certificate.
Buddahpundit on June 10, 2009 at 12:24 PM
I met Frank Gaffney a number of times about twenty years ago. He is a complete freak these days and this column pretty much announces that.
lexhamfox on June 10, 2009 at 12:36 PM
I see the words, “Barack Hussein Obama,” to the left of the seal on:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
I do not see the words, “Barack Hussein Obama,” at all on:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
However, birth_certificate_5.jpg is a cropped close up, so I don’t get your point.
I suggest those promoting the notion that the COLB is fake that you support an appeal of Keyes v. Bowen, which currently has been dismissed, as this is the only case in which the plaintiff has standing.
And until you can get a court ruling in your favor, focus on issues that Americans care about and can win elections. On such issues, I would be more than happy to support you.
Loxodonta on June 10, 2009 at 12:38 PM
What? Nonsense! What utter tinfoil-hat silliness!
I’m so tired of people insinuating that a President who bows and scrapes (literally) to Muslim overlords, spent his youth being educated in a Muslim school, and had Muslim parenthood could possibly be a Muslim himself. Good grief! When oh when will we quit believing our lying eyes?
Dark-Star on June 10, 2009 at 12:39 PM
Sorry to be late coming in, but it is obvious that Obama is not a radical Christian. He might be a radical muslim, or a radical “Christian” or a just radical fascist, but can’t be a radical Christian.
Christian Conservative on June 10, 2009 at 1:09 PM
Madison Conservative at 10:17
I’m not asking anybody to prove a negative. I’m asking him to show the proof of where he was born. Everybody has some record of where they are born.
I ask again: In all this vetting, who has seen the proof of where he was born? Why?
justincase on June 10, 2009 at 1:10 PM
Loxodonta at 12:38
Did you see a perfectly round seal where the page folds on #5? How did he get the seal to stay unbent when the paper it was allegedly on bent? The circle intersected by the top fold bent with the page; why didn’t the bottom seal?
“Barack Hussein Obama” is the longest line on the bottom part of the COLB. The close-up of the seal (#1) shows where all the other, shorter lines are typed but where the longest line of type is supposed to be, there is nothing. That can’t be Obama’s COLB. The type doesn’t even match. Why did they show a close-up of somebody else’s seal if they had a real seal on Obama’s COLB?
There should not even be an issue of standing. This is clear evidence of forgery, which is a federal crime. The folks at Factcheck should be in jail now and their depositions should be grounds to look at the original certificate and arrest Obama himself.
To say otherwise is to say that the rule of law doesn’t matter. That’s why I can’t let this go. If the rule of law doesn’t matter then it doesn’t matter who we elect to Congress because their laws aren’t going to be enforced anyway – any more than our forgery laws and Constitution are kept right now.
There’s much, much more to be said – such as the fact that an FBI agent lied to me about who investigates document fraud, the obstruction of justice at SCOTUS, etc, but for right now the clear evidence is in front of us all – Robert Gibbs is telling us to go look at it – and none of our law-abiding conservative leaders care enough to see that a blatant crime by the man who is tearing up our Constitution and history is prosecuted. I have a problem with that.
justincase on June 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM
No I didn’t. I took a perfectly round object and placed it on top of each seal whereupon it was clear that seals are far from being perfectly round.
Both the seals on picture #5 are distorted. Whether they are distorted ‘correctly’ is hard to say because the paper is warped as well as folded.
In any case your argument is easily shown to be invalid.
Yes, I can agree: The text that you claim is missing is certainly not clearly visble. However that part of the picture is (a) completely unfocussed and (b) hugely oversaturated so it is entirely possible that the text is missing only because the technology used was inadequate. Furthermore if you zoom the picture there is actually some very slight discolouration where the text should be. It is a JPG image of unknown quality so in such an unfocussed and oversaturated area it is easy to accept that information would be lost.
So, on balance, I will grant you that image #1 is a poor choice of picture to prove the validity of the certificate but your evidence that the picture is a fake is also very weak because (a) your first claim (about the circularity of the seals) is clearly false and (b) there is an alternative and reasonable explanation for the ‘missing’ text.
YiZhangZhe on June 10, 2009 at 4:49 PM
A Christian is someone who has decided to entrust his or her life to Jesus Christ. A Christian trusts Christ for forgiveness of sin, a right standing before God, and guidance in life. A true follower of Christ believes in the sanctity of life.
Many will come using my name. They will say, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and they will deceive many people.
Matthew 24:5
whatzit2u on June 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM
YZZ at 4:49
I placed a transparency over the computer screen, traced around the edges of both circles, measured the diameter so I could find the radius, used a compass to make a perfectly round circle, and overlaid it on each of the two circles. On the top circle it was very clear where the circle bent. It was perfectly circular until it got to that point and from there it was smashed. The bottom circle had no such distortion.
The trouble with all the arguments about the angle and/or image quality being the cause of what I’ve observed is that the page itself serves as a control group. For instance, the top circle was at basically the same angle as the bottom “seal”. The bottom “seal” should have been distorted to the same extent as the top circle. But it wasn’t.
Similarly, the typed lines show up clearly in photo #1 – except where the longest line should be. If the image quality was the issue, why did that line alone not show up clearly?
There are other indications of forgery as well, but the scientific principle of having a control group to compare with works against Obama.
The same problem comes up with the pixels. Factcheck says the missing colored pixels where Obama’s alleged birthplace is printed are because of digital distortion (one reason why computer images are not legally admissible evidence for identification purposes – and why this posting is a farce even if it was authentic). But their argument doesn’t hold water because the pixels are fine everywhere else on that page and on every other similar COLB posted online. The rest of the page acts as a control group. If image quality was going to be an issue it would be everywhere. But it’s not. It’s only in that area.
Why do you think that is?
justincase on June 11, 2009 at 12:01 AM
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