Zardari: Taliban could get our nukes
posted at 9:28 am on June 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Remember all the reassurances from the Pakistani government — and from both the Bush and Obama administrations in the US — that Islamabad’s nuclear arsenal could never fall into the hands of Islamic extremists? The two White Houses told us that the US had “contingencies” to prevent it, and the civilian government repeatedly assured the world that such a scenario was impossible. Suddenly, though, that impossibility has suddenly become a conditional (via HA reader Gaurav):
Pakistan’s President Asif Ali Zardari has said there is a possibility that its nuclear arsenal could fall into the hands of the Taliban if democracy “fails” in his country and the world doesn’t help.
“If democracy in this country fails, if the world doesn’t help democracy — then any eventuality is a possibility,” he said in an interview to German newspaper Der Spiegel when asked whether he, like his late wife Benazir Bhutto, feared that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons could fall into the hands of Islamist extremists.
“But as long as democracy is there, there is no question of that situation arising. All important installations and weaponry are always under extra security,” Zardari said.
Isn’t that like saying, “As long as no one bombs us, we’ll be safe”? After all, the Taliban’s entire mission is to rid Pakistan of its democracy and replace it with a theocratic tyranny of imams. No one worried as much about the Taliban getting the nukes through infiltration. The entire nightmare scenario gets triggered first by a coup d’etat.
Zardari attempted to reassure Der Spiegel readers by explaining that nukes aren’t Kalashnikovs, and that it takes a complicated series of commands to deploy them. That’s certainly true, but it doesn’t necessarily follow that nukes would be useless to a Taliban-run Pakistan. They could certainly find their own experts to install the warheads into different delivery devices, but the simpler method would be to take over the command structure of their nuclear attack force and learn the series of commands. The Taliban certainly has its sympathizers in the military — and more than enough of them in the intelligence service.
I’d say the US had better brush up on those “contingencies.” And if Zardari wants help in securing his democracy, he’d better start fighting for it himself against the Taliban rather than cut stupid deals with terrorists.









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This’ll all blow over.
Akzed on June 8, 2009 at 9:31 AM
Nuclear mujahiddeen. Great
The pious plutonium playaz
blatantblue on June 8, 2009 at 9:31 AM
Hopefully they’ll be moderate Taliban who will use it for a safe energy program.
LibTired (KO) on June 8, 2009 at 9:31 AM
I imagine there are some nervous Hindus right about now.
Mr. Bingley on June 8, 2009 at 9:32 AM
If the mad mullahs get the nukes, would their first target be India of Israel?
God help us.
jgapinoy on June 8, 2009 at 9:32 AM
Yes, with BHO’s blessing.
God help us.
jgapinoy on June 8, 2009 at 9:33 AM
India of IsraelIndia or Israeljgapinoy on June 8, 2009 at 9:34 AM
Mr. Bingley — Can I just tell you that, of all the handles out there, yours may just be my favorite?
BigD on June 8, 2009 at 9:34 AM
Ed,
I am reproducing the part of the report I sent to tips, as I think it is crucial
There is a saying for this, hold with heir and run with hounds. Pakistani Leadership is a master at this game since 2001. They will assure that Pakistan is safe as long as they are in charge, implicit however is the threat that should they be deposed, Pakistan will be captured by Taliban. This is followed by demand for more aid, more military hardware, or American pressure on India for concession on Kashmir, or army deployment. I think it is time to call the bluff.
Gaurav on June 8, 2009 at 9:37 AM
Translation:”send more dollars”
the_nile on June 8, 2009 at 9:39 AM
I think it is Great Satan, The Jew and The Kaffir in that order.
Gaurav on June 8, 2009 at 9:39 AM
Would it be insensitive to say that Obama’s “Smart Power” Foreign Policy is bombing bigger than Land of the Lost?
kingsjester on June 8, 2009 at 9:40 AM
Exactly !
Gaurav on June 8, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Maybe they need more money so they issue warnings like this?
ninjapirate on June 8, 2009 at 9:42 AM
No big deal, we’ll just hit the reset button with the Taliban.
BPD on June 8, 2009 at 9:42 AM
That was my first reaction, too.
ProfessorMiao on June 8, 2009 at 9:43 AM
I am sure this talk goes well with the people of India.
India is willing, ready and able to relieve Pakistan of it’s nukes and the Taliban.
albill on June 8, 2009 at 9:43 AM
Well Obama said everyone is entitled to nuclear stuff.
What could go wrong?
Mr. Joe on June 8, 2009 at 9:44 AM
You’re very kind, BigD!
Mr. Bingley on June 8, 2009 at 9:44 AM
yeah, i think they are whining for more money, too.
kelley in virginia on June 8, 2009 at 9:45 AM
Isn’t that like saying, “As long as no one bombs us, we’ll be safe”?
Zardari must be reading from Obama’s teleprompter.
petefrt on June 8, 2009 at 9:46 AM
This’ll all blow
overUP.Akzed on June 8, 2009 at 9:31 AM
FIFY
J.J. Sefton on June 8, 2009 at 9:47 AM
Yeah man let’s hear it for “smart diplomacy” because it really seems to be working . . . for our enemies.
rplat on June 8, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Also since people will be talking about Obama, here is Indian (and hence admittedly biased) perspective. Obama has simply no clue about Af-Pak, he harped on Af-Pak just so that he could shore up his security credentials and contrast with Republicans. Now since he has to make good on his promise and in light of his inexperience he is going to fall back on state department led by “Cold war warriors”, which is set in its way of thinking which is that Pakistan can only be pacified by seeking concessions from India on Kashmir and other issues. Hence Obama is going to re-hyphanize India and Pakistan. Indians are not amused, to say the least.
Gaurav on June 8, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Bhutto’s party actually created Taliban. You know they’re just itching to give them nukes to use against India. Who was it that got Bhutto back into Pak and Musharraf out? I have a sneaking suspicion that the Messiah and his realist advisors had a hand in it.
promachus on June 8, 2009 at 9:49 AM
Zandari is basically saying “keep me in power or else the nukes are getting out.” What a complete disaster. And to think that Obama is actually rolling over and allowing Iran to develop nukes as well. How irresponsible.
Outlander on June 8, 2009 at 9:53 AM
This strikes me as the Pakistani version of the game North Korea has played in the past. Essentially Zardari is demanding money and attention from the Western powers.
highhopes on June 8, 2009 at 9:53 AM
It’s 3AM and the White House phone is rolling over to voicemail.
highhopes on June 8, 2009 at 9:54 AM
And ChimpyO fiddles…..
csdeven on June 8, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Zardari has learned economic blackmail from our Community Organizer. Foreign leaders have figured out that Mr. President is an empty suit with no backbone and no experience. They are all going to test us. Elections have consequences.
kingsjester on June 8, 2009 at 9:56 AM
Well, hey, all those liberals who wanted Musharraf gone sure got what they wanted!
rockmom on June 8, 2009 at 9:59 AM
Do you blame him? We don’t have to be dumb, or weak, or stupid, or clueless, or unsophisticated about the realities of the world. We’re chumps. More power to the others for pushing us around. Survival of the fittest baby. Go Darwin.
JiangxiDad on June 8, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Gaurav, that’s just part of it. I think Obama played up Pakistan as a threat to blunt his opposition to Iraq war. After Bush was a lameduck in 2006, many odd things happened and one was the decision by CIA to strike Pakistan and to bring back Bhutto from the dead. I am sure Obama was involved with both those decisions, as his views and the views of realists, foreign policy establishment and default memebers of state department, matched.
I think those asinies stikes only made Taliban stronger and pushing Musharraf out pretty much sealed the deal.
promachus on June 8, 2009 at 10:04 AM
If no government is any better or worse than any other (as our president appears to believe) and no government has the right to tell another what to do, then why is this even a story?
If the Taliban take over Pakistan then their government would be just as legit as ours and they would have as much right to nuclear weapons as us and we would have no right to tell them otherwise.
I don’t see how Obama could argue any other way after his comments last week.
29Victor on June 8, 2009 at 10:05 AM
This corrupt SOB has also been known as Mr.10% long before his wife’s death.
a capella on June 8, 2009 at 10:10 AM
In hindsight removing Musharraf and bringing back Bhutto seems mistaken. However I seriously doubt it was to do with Obama. The Musharraf fell due to siege of Lal Masjid which turned significant factions of Army against him, which made his continuation as head impossible.
Gaurav on June 8, 2009 at 10:12 AM
I’m making one more appeal for OPERATION TALIBOMB !!
The CIA and SOCOM should form insertion teams dressed as Taliban.
Insert into Pakistan – and take a few nuclear sites.
Then NUKE IRAN with those nukes.
Blame it on the Taliban.
This puts the Iranian nuclear program on ice for awhile – hell, it puts everything Iran is doing on ice for a very long time while they try to clean up from that mess. It will put the Iranians on our side in hunting and killing Tally’s and AQ. Turns the world completely off to the Tally’s so who cares about GITMO anymore? And it gives Israel a hell of a lot of breathing room for a very long time.
Let’s do it!
HondaV65 on June 8, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Hold on here. Pakistan is similar to Iran, a tiny country that is no threat to America.
Bishop on June 8, 2009 at 10:18 AM
In the form of a mushroom-shaped cloud. These are serious times calling for serious people. Sadly our “leader” is the most intellectually unfit child imaginable.
highhopes on June 8, 2009 at 10:19 AM
Surely the Taliban has legitimate energy needs…
DamnYankee on June 8, 2009 at 10:22 AM
FIFY. The Bush Administration had given military aid to India in 2007-08…that looks like good “strategery” in hindsight. What would India do if the Taliban tried to take over Pakistan’s nukes?
Obama to Pockyston: I am a genius. You’re on your own.
Steve Z on June 8, 2009 at 10:29 AM
The Pakistanis call it “The Islamic Bomb“.
The Taliban only want to change to timing not the intent.
profitsbeard on June 8, 2009 at 10:30 AM
This is an upgraded “higher pay and better equipment” ploy. If the west doesn’t up Pakistans welfare cheque boogie men might steal the nukes. It’s blackmail.
BL@KBIRD on June 8, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Better: Release the Gitmo detainees to Iran a day before you launch the nukes from Pakistan.
All problems solved.
Daggett on June 8, 2009 at 10:30 AM
No. It does not. They require a proper launch sequence. If you can read, you can launch.
BobMbx on June 8, 2009 at 10:49 AM
One of the problems that Pakistan has in fighting the Taliban is that a large part of the Pakistani Army is tied up in Kashmir.
If we had a smart President, he (or his Secretary of State) would be negotiating with both Pakistan and India, trying to work out a deal whereby India and Pakistan split Kashmir down the middle, and Pakistani troops are transferred to western Pakistan to fight the Taliban, and Indian troops help defend the nuclear facilities with specific Rules of Engagement to not fight unless they are atttacked, and India agrees to not attempt to take further territory in Kashmir.
India is a key player here–they have a huge population, most of which is strongly anti-Taliban and pro-American, they are a democracy, and they don’t want a nuclear war with Pakistan or the Taliban. A smart President would be trying to work with them and the Pakistanis to resolve this problem, to the mutual benefit of India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the United States, to the detriment of the Taliban.
That’s what a smart President would do. But we have Obama.
Steve Z on June 8, 2009 at 10:57 AM
The sweet thing ia Obama can launch a pre-emptive nuclear counterforce attack and people won’t mind that much. It’s nice to be popular.
exception on June 8, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Good Lord, not this Kashmir canard again. Look here dude you have taken Pakistan propaganda hook line and sinker. Taliban has nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with situation in Kashmir or India. The Taliban insurgency is, to paraphrase an (in)famous man, Pakistani chicken coming to roost.
Gaurav on June 8, 2009 at 11:05 AM
I fully trust Barry, Zardari, India, et al., have this under control.
/
Christien on June 8, 2009 at 11:11 AM
I was under the impression that Obama was a local Indian deity as well, and that the nation preferred him wildly over McCain. I seem to remember the Times of India endorsing him. Buyer’s remorse?
JiangxiDad on June 8, 2009 at 11:16 AM
I call BS. THis is just fear mongering so that the US will give his government more money and more aid to prop him up.
keep the change on June 8, 2009 at 11:26 AM
exactly. this is him saying that if you don’t give us more money, your worst nightmare will happen. Pakistan is not now nor have they ever been a friend. They have enjoyed the money we have given them though. It’s too bad we don’t get anything for the money we send them other than requests for more money.
ThackerAgency on June 8, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Let me translate Blackmail: give us aid or else we won’t fight the terrorist…no problem, I have read we have our own Plan B. Fail if you have to Pakistan, we can think up a new “Stan” name for you maybe we could have a contest ;) BoomBoomistan?
Dr Evil on June 8, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Buyer’s remorse would be an understatement. Though in perspective among all the nations support for Obama was comparatively least in India (and Bush was more popular in India than in other parts of the world).
What can I say, from Britney Spears to Obama Indians tend to imbibe the worst aspect of American culture ;-)
Gaurav on June 8, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Oh come on, Pakistan is just a small country…nothing to worry about here, just like 9-11 and the GWOT this is just more overblown rhetoric from the right designed to instill fear and get the repubs back in office!/SARC
Liberty or Death on June 8, 2009 at 11:47 AM
This just gets better day by day………..
Seven Percent Solution on June 8, 2009 at 12:11 PM
If those nukes should fall into the hands of the Talibastards, Obama should be promptly impeached.
-Dave
Dave R. on June 8, 2009 at 12:14 PM
JiangxiDad on June 8, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Obama is too black to fail. The fault will lie elsewhere, as in problems inherited from the Bush admin.
JiangxiDad on June 8, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Allright Mr.Zardari…so exactly what do you plan to DO about that little fact???
Dark-Star on June 8, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Obama will be denounced as a capitalist stooge here. After all, we are technically socialist, secular republic.
Gaurav on June 8, 2009 at 12:35 PM
If you can’t keep your toys safe, then maybe you’re not big enough to have those toys.
beefytee on June 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM
It is impossible to be politically correct and honest at the same time.
saiga on June 8, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Correction:
The only way to be politically correct and honest at the same time is to be really stupid.
saiga on June 8, 2009 at 1:02 PM
+10
Mr. President, how about a little less playing golf and a lot more of focusing like a laser beam on hot spots like Pakistan, Iran and North Korea.
sarahpalinfan99 on June 8, 2009 at 2:07 PM
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Perhaps we could dream up a reason that the Taliban would nuke North Korea as well.
darktood on June 8, 2009 at 3:10 PM
This kind of reminds me of a movie I watched while working Zulu…
jerrytbg on June 8, 2009 at 5:22 PM