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Did Obama fib about Merkel and the Uighers?

posted at 4:08 pm on June 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Barack Obama refuted reports in the American media that Germany had balked at taking the Uighers from Guantanamo Bay, saying that he and German Chancellor Angela Merkel had only talked in general terms about Gitmo and German assistance.  Der Spiegel reports today that Obama didn’t tell the entire truth.  In fact, the German government has made clear its conditions on accepting any Gitmo prisoners as Obama tries to find ways to close it, and the terms constitute a de facto refusal:

During his brief visit to Germany last week, US President Barack Obama told the gathered press in Dresden that, when it came to the possibility of Germany accepting some of the Guantanamo prisoners due to be released, concrete demands were not yet on the table.

“We have not asked (Chancellor Angela Merkel) for hard commitments, and she has not given us any hard commitments beyond having a serious discussion about (whether there are) ways that we can solve this problem” Obama declared.

Strictly speaking, that may be true. But according to information obtained by SPIEGEL, Germany has long since blocked the idea of accepting Guantanamo detainees — and has done so without having to issue an outright rejection.

In talks at the end of May, German Interior Minister Wolfgang Schäuble presented US Attorney General Eric Holder with a list of criteria to be fulfilled before Germany would take nine Uighur detainees. Schäuble said Washington needed to present a clear case as to why the Uighurs, members of a Muslim minority in north-western China, couldn’t be taken in by the US or other countries. He also said America had to offer proof that they weren’t dangerous, and that they had a personal connection to Germany. He told Holder that Germany was unable to accept people who couldn’t travel to the US on a simple tourist visa.

That last requirement makes a neat and unassailable way to refuse cooperation on relocating any Gitmo detainees, not just the Uighers.  The US will not take the position that any of the detainees at Gitmo should get tourist visas.  The eruption of outrage would be enormous; even allowing them to enter the US as max-security prisoners has touched off a bipartisan firestorm on Capitol Hill.

Of course, the German position points out the basic flaw in Obama’s strategy to get Europe to house Gitmo detainees.  If they’re not dangerous for Europe, why not just let them loose in the US?  The answer — that Obama wants to win another term as President and would get crushed in 2012 if he released them here — also applies to Europe’s politicians, perhaps even more so.   Who wants to run on the platform, “We made ourselves America’s halfway house for terrorists?”  That might win the Green vote, but as the latest elections showed, that’s tantamount to political suicide on its own.

Apparently, Merkel and the Germans made their feelings known in concrete terms.  Why did Obama essentially lie about it?  Obviously, he’s playing for time, but I doubt it will help.  Without relocation offers from Europe, Obama can’t close Gitmo, and certainly not by next January — which means he’s going to have a lot of egg on his face, and soon.


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amerpundit on June 8, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Da-a-a-amn, dawg….Wiggers can’t get no respeck.

Django on June 8, 2009 at 4:13 PM

I can’t believe that Obama would lie.

originalpechanga on June 8, 2009 at 4:14 PM

You’d think Baracky might have thought about this conundrum before shooting his mouth off and making promises he can’t keep.

Pablo on June 8, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Why would Barry Lie?????????????

portlandon on June 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Breaking News: US Supreme Court has halted the sale of Chrysler to Fiat. Concern is whether investors were sufficiently protected.

amerpundit on June 8, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Best news I’ve heard this year. I wonder if this is why stocks rallied late in the day?

hawksruleva on June 8, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Erkel fibbed about Merkel?

cntrlfrk on June 8, 2009 at 4:17 PM

More now on the SCOTUS decision:

The lower court’s approval of the deal will be stayed to give the court time to consider whether to hear an appeal on the merits. A group of pension funds had sued to keep the deal from going through, alleging that the Treasury Department’s use of TARP funds to partially finance the deal was improper.

amerpundit on June 8, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Why would Barry Lie?????????????
portlandon on June 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM

…because his lips are moving?

kingsjester on June 8, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Clearly Nancy needs to go… She’s being a negative influence on Barry.

Upstater85 on June 8, 2009 at 4:19 PM

It’s not a lie when you can “will” it to happen and you’re the One. Just like health care, cap and trade, GM takeover, etc. AD NASEUM!

hip shot on June 8, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Breaking News: US Supreme Court has halted the sale of Chrysler to Fiat. Concern is whether investors were sufficiently protected.

amerpundit on June 8, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Best news I’ve heard this year. I wonder if this is why stocks rallied late in the day?

hawksruleva on June 8, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Agreed. Def’ in top 10 best news reports of the year.

Upstater85 on June 8, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Erkel fibbed about Merkel?

cntrlfrk on June 8, 2009 at 4:17 PM

That’s funny.

txag92 on June 8, 2009 at 4:20 PM

You know how the Japanese knew they were losing WW2?

The reports of the glorious victories of the Japanese army were more glorious and closer to home each day.

lorien1973 on June 8, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Does Obama know about this?

Surely Obama does not know.[/stalinlover]

jukin on June 8, 2009 at 4:21 PM

The GOP has taken control of the NY Senate, following the switching of parties by two Dems.

amerpundit on June 8, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Comedy gold. Ogabe made so many promises during the campaign only to discover that the fringe pie-heads he made the promises too don’t exactly represent the majority of Americans.

Welcome to the Presidency, Ogabe, where you actually have to make decisions and not just lounge around the Oval Office or take the Lieutenant on expensive dates.

Bishop on June 8, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Breaking News: US Supreme Court has halted the sale of Chrysler to Fiat. Concern is whether investors were sufficiently protected.

amerpundit on June 8, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Written by Ginsberg!!!!

Odie1941 on June 8, 2009 at 4:24 PM

“We have not asked (Chancellor Angela Merkel) for hard commitments, and she has not given us any hard commitments beyond having a serious discussion about (whether there are) ways that we can solve this problem” Obama declared.
Strictly speaking, that may be true. But according to information obtained by SPIEGEL, Germany has long since blocked the idea of accepting Guantanamo detainees — and has done so without having to issue an outright rejection.

It should never be forgotten that Obama is first and foremost a lawyer. They make the worst politicians because they know how to lie by telling half truths,even then/when the half truths are questionable!

Bill taught us that lesson very clearly. We were only saved by a blue dress!

Scary indeed, however the vast right wing conspiracy still lives on.

patrick neid on June 8, 2009 at 4:25 PM

In response, Obama promised 450,000 Jobs in Germany

Odie1941 on June 8, 2009 at 4:25 PM

You’d think Baracky might have thought about this conundrum before shooting his mouth off and making promises he can’t keep.

He doesn’t have to bother being careful, because he knows the MSM will ensure his promises disappear if they become inconvenient, just like they do for all Democrats… it’s their job, you know.

drunyan8315 on June 8, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Written by Ginsberg!!!!

Odie1941 on June 8, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Obama will be thinking she is obviously not as wise as a latina.

myrenovations on June 8, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Judicial Fiat

clorensen on June 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Hey Ogabe, thanks for taking the time to visit our troops during your “Muslims are Great” tour.

Somebody had to say it.

fogw on June 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Merkel: Yes, Barack. Send us your terrorists, your spent fuel rods, your meth addicts and Barney Frank.

whitetop on June 8, 2009 at 4:33 PM

fogw on June 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM

“The who?” asked Ogabe.

Bishop on June 8, 2009 at 4:40 PM

You all are wrong. Obama speaks Austrian and the notice was in German. Merkel is not certified blonde.

seven on June 8, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Obama can’t close Gitmo, and certainly not by next January — which means he’s going to have a lot of egg on his face, and soon.

Won’t matter to the Obamabots. They’ll just say the egg enhances the creamy consistency of his skin, and isn’t he impossibly elegant (and environmentally sensitive) to think of using a plentiful and inexpensive organic substance like egg to accentuate his marvelous, god-like good looks.

AZCoyote on June 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM

You’d think Baracky might have thought about this conundrum before shooting his mouth off and making promises he can’t keep.

Pablo on June 8, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Let’s cut him some slack. Bambi did what he knows how to do – and what he only knows how to do, and that is talk. To do what you suggested would require some executive experience and a history of accountability.

PackerBronco on June 8, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Epic fail.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 8, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Why wouldn’t the Germans or anyone else want to take these poor people? It’s not like they’re dangerous terrorists, right?

rbj on June 8, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Not the Barry I knew. He speaks fluent austrian german

seven on June 8, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Obama is a liar, and a not to bright.

To be fair though, it simply amazes me, that people around the world, including Europe, want Gitmo closed, and applaud the thought, but no one wants to take any responsibility for it. Obama doesn’t have much choice, but to keep it open, which bodes to his dim star. He shouldn’t have made it a campaign promise to close it, without getting all the facts, before he made it a strong point of his presidency.

Duh!

capejasmine on June 8, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Fill the ship with Gitmo creeps head for Europe,hit a storm,sink,wait 3 days to start search. Find nothing.Problem solved.

faol on June 8, 2009 at 5:08 PM

But but but Obama promised!!!!

And maybe he should have egg on his face but the media will put lots of make-up over it so the egg will look like that special glow like Charlton Heston coming down from the mountain…

petunia on June 8, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Why did Obama essentially lie about it?

Force of habit. Lack of disincentive.

Jim Treacher on June 8, 2009 at 5:10 PM

You know how the Japanese knew they were losing WW2?

The reports of the glorious victories of the Japanese army were more glorious and closer to home each day.

lorien1973 on June 8, 2009 at 4:21 PM

I thought it was when they started seeing the mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

UltimateBob on June 8, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Breaking News: US Supreme Court has halted the sale of Chrysler to Fiat. Concern is whether investors were sufficiently protected.

amerpundit on June 8, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Written by Ginsberg!!!!

Odie1941 on June 8, 2009 at 4:24 PM

A small glimmer of checks and balances?

petunia on June 8, 2009 at 5:12 PM

How do they spell schadenfreude in Austrian..

the_nile on June 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Why did Obama essentially lie about it?

Because he is as shady as a used car salesman (no offense to the hoonorable Americans who make their living selling pre-owned vehicles).

Hey, have I got a deal for YOU!!! A real cream puff! It was only used by a little old lady to drive to church on Sundays!

UltimateBob on June 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Other countries could also ask: “Where are all the newly captured terrorists being held? If they are not being held in Guantanamo, then ship the current Guantanamo inmates to the prisons where the newly captured terrorists are being held.”

albill on June 8, 2009 at 5:14 PM

The answer — that Obama wants to win another term as President and would get crushed in 2012 if he released them here — also applies to Europe’s politicians, perhaps even more so.

He’s going to get crushed in 2012 anyway, but I don’t think Gitmo will be the reason. The GOP is going to clobber him over the head with “It’s the economy, stupid.”

At least I hope they will.

UltimateBob on June 8, 2009 at 5:18 PM

The US will not take the position that any of the detainees at Gitmo should get tourist visas.

Sorry, but I’m really not so sure about that. I wouldn’t put it past the morons running this country.

Gregor on June 8, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Great news, amerpundit. Thanks for your comments.

burt on June 8, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Multi-culti Trudeauopia (Canada) won’t take them either.

Sounder on June 8, 2009 at 5:40 PM

I wouldn’t put it past the morons running this country.

Gregor on June 8, 2009 at 5:39 PM

getalife could not be reached for comment.

Del Dolemonte on June 8, 2009 at 6:19 PM

How do they spell schadenfreude in Austrian..

the_nile on June 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Awesome!

Mallard T. Drake on June 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM

How long will it take Obama to realize that it is better to have all his plans in order before announcing what he is doing.

He’d be a great guy to play poker against: always tipping his cards too soon. Or maybe that is what Michelle said in bed the other night, if by cards you mean his Lil’ Obama.

Mallard T. Drake on June 8, 2009 at 6:27 PM

How do you say Schagenfreude in English. LOL?

federale86 on June 8, 2009 at 6:33 PM

Barry’s having a hard time of it. Either that or hanging out with Biden too much. More and more, he just flat makes shit up. Evidently he’s of the opinion that whatever he says becomes fact.

GarandFan on June 8, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Barry has never had to do anything in his life but talk.

He talked himself into the POTUS job, saying nothing better than anyone has in a long time, but don’t forget Teleprompter in handing out credit…

So of course he makes things up to present the story he needs…like Clinton and Dodd and other famous liars, and like them, he will be found out. Those not smart enough or moral enough to care will never lose affection and belief in the man, but he will be found out.

The only question is what will people do about it.

Ginsburg may be the first real pop in the dike, and Bama’s finger may not be enough to plug this one.

Maybe AIG will return the bonuses they should have paid to the people who were owed them. Eek! That would ruffle P2 (president pantywaist).

Harry Schell on June 8, 2009 at 6:57 PM

So what poses the bigger blow to the US’s standing in the world; GWB creating a location where terrorists can be held, or BHO promising to close said location and then failing to do so?

landshark on June 8, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Why did Obama essentially lie about it?

Do you know what’s really sad? ed didn’t make that statement tongue in cheek. ed, he lied because he lies about everything. He cannot tell the truth about his intentions and policies because there would be a revolution.

peacenprosperity on June 8, 2009 at 7:22 PM

GOsh this is the first time since “Das Boot

That I’ve rooted for the Germans!

-Wasteland Man.

WastelandMan on June 8, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Do Latina women make better decisions than (half) black males? If so, maybe Hussein needs to replace his VP with one.

leftnomore on June 8, 2009 at 9:30 PM

Send us your terrorists, your spent fuel rods, your meth addicts and Barney Frank.
whitetop on June 8, 2009 at 4:33 PM

isn’t that kind of redundant? I mean Barney Frank IS all those things!

WastelandMan on June 8, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Merkel, a real leader with character.

Obama, not all that.

Speakup on June 8, 2009 at 10:21 PM

Now we know why Joe Biden was chosen for Vice President: Obama admires Biden’s ability to just make it up as he goes along.

alice on June 8, 2009 at 11:11 PM

What odds are the bookies in Vegas giving these days for a “man-caused disaster” that wipes out the prison population at Gitmo? Then again, perhaps that would be a little too neat.

By the way, are we detaining anyone we capture in Afghanistan these days or do we hand them over to the Afghan government to be shot after some quick questioning?

kgs_mvs on June 9, 2009 at 12:20 AM

You know how the Japanese knew they were losing WW2?

The reports of the glorious victories of the Japanese army were more glorious and closer to home each day.

lorien1973 on June 8, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Right on the money!!!

Baxter Greene on June 9, 2009 at 2:15 AM

“Did Obama fib about Merkel and the Uighers?”

No. Obama lied.

coldwarrior on June 9, 2009 at 5:16 AM

Right now the Supremes are the best thing the US has going. Thank the Framers of the Constitution for being smarter then the “ONE”. …….and yes he lied. He has no reason not to. The lies worked really well during the election campaigns. He is worse then Carter and I don’t feel safe or secure with the King of Apologists.

elclynn on June 9, 2009 at 6:59 AM

Give the Uglieys a new suit, a $100 bucks, and a bus ticket back home. Enemies of the ChiComs can’t be all bad.

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on June 9, 2009 at 8:44 AM

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