Breaking: SCOTUS stops Chrysler sale
posted at 4:18 pm on June 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The Supreme Court, in an order signed by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, has stopped the sale of Chrysler to Fiat and the bankruptcy plan engineered by the White House. No details are available quite yet on the story, but I will be watching for updates on the wires and blogs.
Ginsburg stopping the sale, though … that’s interesting in and of itself.
Update: “Stayed pending further order,” Ginsburg noted. That could mean a temporary stay, but …
Chrysler has said a delay could scuttle the deal.
A federal appeals court in New York had earlier approved the sale, but gave opponents until 4 p.m. EDT Monday to try to get the Supreme Court to intervene.
Ginsburg issued her order just before 4 p.m., when Chrysler would have been free to complete the sale of most of its assets to Fiat.
She can ask the full court to decide whether to continue the stay or vacate it on her own, but if she was inclined towards the latter, she wouldn’t have issued the stay. And if Ginsburg has a problem with the government intervention here, just wait until Scalia and Thomas get a crack at it.
Update II: AFP reports on the decision:
The move will allow the justices to consider whether to allow a full hearing of the legal issues — a delay which Chrysler and US officials say could cause the plan to collapse.
A group of Indiana pension funds opposed to Chrysler’s sale to Fiat filed the emergency appeal with the Supreme Court to halt the sale.
The pension funds wanted a hearing on alleged violations to due process that damaged their standing in the bankruptcy. The appellate court didn’t want to allow it, but Ginsburg’s decision shows that those claims have enough merit to get heard.
Update III: Chrysler says they only have until June 15 to complete the sale to Fiat, and after that they’ll have to flat-out liquidate. Maybe they should have done better by their senior creditors then, huh? And guess who’s representing them? Thomas Lauria — the lawyer who blew the whistle on the Obama administration’s extortive tactics in the negotiations. You think he’s loving this today?
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anything come of the dealer closing story being partisian?
jp on June 8, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Shhhhh. You’ll ruin it and I was having a pretty decent Monday – all things being relative.
BrideOfRove on June 8, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Perhaps Ginsburg didn’t like the Cairo speech….
RaisinsofWrath on June 8, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Obama is the only thing standing between Ginsberg and the pitchforks?
Daggett on June 8, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Way OT but GOOD GRIEF…..
Cindy Sheehan is in Dallas near GWB’s home in Preston Hollow conducting a war protest. I wish I would have known earlier so that I could protest that nut job.
txag92 on June 8, 2009 at 5:07 PM
I hope this is bad news for ChimpyO. I can see him cowering in the corner of the oval office (hahaha) screaming “Why hath thou forsaken me?!”.
csdeven on June 8, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Obama will blame it on Supreme Court Justices appointed by Bush….
albill on June 8, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Ginsburg drives New Yorker. Kinda old. The service engine light came on and she called the dealer. The automated attendent said.
Welcome to Fiat USA
For italian press 1
for spainish press 2
All others, we are closed.
seven on June 8, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Paybacks are a bitch.
BuckeyeSam on June 8, 2009 at 5:09 PM
I think this is at the point where she should be put away for her own good.
The man is DONE WITH PUBLIC LIFE, Cindy. At least HE knows when his 15 minutes are up, unlike you.
teke184 on June 8, 2009 at 5:10 PM
I hope this is a turn….that the Supreme Court is sending a message, loud, and clear to Obama and his goons, that this will NOT be tolerated. Contracts mean something. You don’t just throw someone to the side, because it’s politically expedient for you to do so.
Thank you Justice Ginsburg. You are the hero of the day!
capejasmine on June 8, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Don’t know if anyone else said this, but could this actually result in EVERYTHING being hung out to dry? The forced government takeover, the crony-rewarding dealership closings, all the other arm-twisting?
JamesLee on June 8, 2009 at 5:11 PM
ROFLMAO!!! Yo Cindy. Bush no longer makes policy. You might want to check out the BIG white house in D.C. for your protest. Moron!
capejasmine on June 8, 2009 at 5:12 PM
WOW! What a great day! ChimpyO is being exposed for the Marxist sack of donkey shit that he is and my wife just landed the job she was vying for!
csdeven on June 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM
AAAHHH so you don’t have an answer how you came to the conclusion she is a racist!!!!
Because she’s white. Duh.
Ok got it thanks for playing! Oh and thanks for proving to the whole board who is the real racist! It’s those white guys that gave you the freedom to spout such B*(&)(s)(*)_(t!
Not just white guys but white gals too.
Bishop on June 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Maybe the SCOTUS Judges were sitting around watching Obama break one law after another saying to themselves………..
Then when someone finally did………
Seven Percent Solution on June 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Not likely. It’s still all covered by the slobbering media.
But it would be nice. It would mean a total meltdown of the Obama administration.
Daggett on June 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Exactly. Obama is doing anything, and everything BUT upholding the Constitution!!! It’s high time, he’s made aware that this is his duty. It’s not a choice.
capejasmine on June 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM
So your new in these parts. Welcome.
Now step away from the keyboard and count to 10 slowly.
PappaMac on June 8, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Ginsberg throws it on the table. There has to be a reason. There has to be a motive. Is this a way to draw a line in the sand, not for Barry, but for SCOTUS?
I will be watching this with popcorn and beer cause I smell red meat.
Limerick on June 8, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Maybe the rule of law still stands a chance. I’m curious about Ginsburg. Real concern for the law or sagacious cover when the Court decides it’s OK after all.
Mason on June 8, 2009 at 5:18 PM
It collapsed under scrutiny. Nate Silver had the best statistical take down [sorry I don't have the link offhand], and the WH pointed out that Chrysler decides which dealerships to close, not the WH.
okonkolo on June 8, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Since they did not get a parade permit, they are going to have to march down only on the sidewalk and not the street, and not enter onto private property w/o the owner’s permission. I hope the owners turn on their water sprinklers.
gonnjos on June 8, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Get ready for diversion. More about water-boarding in 5..4..3..
Wade on June 8, 2009 at 5:19 PM
But…but…The administration had a 31 year old super mega genius managing this whole thing! You know…the guy that’s never had a job in the car business! BWAAAAAAA!
sabbott on June 8, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Yes, but if they have a full-out SCOTUS case, and Lauria (sp?) is allowed to lay it out chapter and verse, serve sopeneas, etc, it’ll be much harder for the Lovestruck Media to whitewash it.
JamesLee on June 8, 2009 at 5:20 PM
No actually I have been on here for a couple of years! But, hey thanks for the welcome anyway!
xler8bmw on June 8, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Last I heard the regression analysis found no correlation between being republican and being on the cut list.
However it did find a weak (87.5 confidence level) correlation between donating to the Clintons and being on the “safe” list.
This then led people to realize that Hillary’s financial chair is married to the “car czar”.
Looks like the Clintons are still pulling some of the strings.
Sackett on June 8, 2009 at 5:23 PM
:)
Count to 10 on June 8, 2009 at 5:24 PM
There is always this possibility.
a capella on June 8, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Bwahahaha!
Ugly on June 8, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Ginsburg had better hire her own food taster. Wow.
PrincipledPilgrim on June 8, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Did Ginsberg actually wake up long enough to issue a decision?
Or did Roberts and Alito just put the pen in her hand and move the paper to get her signature?
Ah, hopefully this is to be the death knell of the UAW and the rest of the corrupt unions.
Can we start the impeachment proceedings yet?
Timothy S. Carlson on June 8, 2009 at 5:28 PM
No bubble bursting, please. Let us live in this fairy tale for as long as we are able.
PrincipledPilgrim on June 8, 2009 at 5:29 PM
but.. but.. but… we have to finalize the sale today, or it’s the end of the world… but.. but.. but… we have to finalize the sale by june 15th or it’s the end of the world… but.. but.. but…
hahaha… screw you socialist buerocrats and robber barrons seeking to turn the constitution, contract law, and property rights on its head…
gatorboy on June 8, 2009 at 5:30 PM
The Court simply noted that the White House perhaps lacks the power under the Constitution to rewrite contract and bankruptcy law not to mention the 5th Amendment. If this minor quibble sinks the grand scheme to save the UAW, so be it.
JIMV on June 8, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Wonder if Hillary is having a good day?
PrincipledPilgrim on June 8, 2009 at 5:30 PM
This is what happens to people who try to screw Hoosiers out of money. They don’t like that, I know…I live in Indiana.
Terrye on June 8, 2009 at 5:31 PM
yup.. takes after his mentor, our POtuS who once completing a 4 year term will have been his longest held full time job.
gatorboy on June 8, 2009 at 5:31 PM
I read an article on this the other day and they said that the order went to Ginsburg because she handles business issues for New York. She then had to decide whether to take it any further, it seems she did decide to do just that.
Terrye on June 8, 2009 at 5:32 PM
In a related story Anthony Kennedy has second thoughts about The Hague potentially requiring that he let Fiat service his Chrysler LeBaron while Buzzy Ginsburg worries about drivability of her Neon when the limo (with the scales hood ornament) is in the shop.
viking01 on June 8, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Yes, it does.
1) It lays out precedent for the Sr. creditors of GM in their court battles. If the SCOTUS rules that the Chrysler deal is unconstitutional, than so is the GM deal.
2) It crushes the “pay czar.” There were no limitations or controls on salary in the initial TARP agreements, and the salaries of the execs that have TARP money (I didn’t say “took” because many were forced) are contractual. SCOTUS ruling against government invalidation of contracts would make any kind of wage control retroactively on companies that took TARP money would be stopped.
3) AIG bonuses could not be touched by the government. Any renegotiation of bonuses would have to be mutual between all parties.
In the end the unions won’t get their oversized piece of the political pie and their contracts will be voided in a true liquidation based on law existing at the time the contracts were made, not new rules created by Obama.
PastorJon on June 8, 2009 at 5:34 PM
xler8bmw, your sarcasm detector is in serious need of recalibration. I don’t hang around here much and it was obvious to me; in fact your reply was funnier than the post your replied to.
Chickyraptor on June 8, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Uh… WOW.
Excuse me – I have to clean my screen…
Timothy S. Carlson on June 8, 2009 at 5:34 PM
I’m on the verge of trading in my 05 Chrysler. I was going to wait till next year, but the prices have come down so far that I’ve been real tempted. I thought the sale to Fiat would go through since no one has put their foot in front of Uhbomba yet.
I could (almost) kiss Justice Ginsburg. It’s now my hope that Fiat will go away, since they weren’t puting up any money anyway, and a real buyer will come through. I really don’t think Chrysler will go by the wayside because of the product they put out there. They are going to be a good buy for somebody.
I may not get the deal I’ve been looking at, but I will get the quality product I’ve come to expect from Chrysler and not the tin can Messiah dreamed of.
The rule of law just might win.
oakpack on June 8, 2009 at 5:34 PM
I would like to see GWB coming out with a shotgun telling them to… well the line’s too tired to mention on this thread.
Chaz706 on June 8, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Actually, going from 8% to 12% might be rather significant (margin of error not stated). If we assume no sampling bias, that would imply Democrats had 50% more resistance to being cut than Republicans (not sure we can assume that).
Count to 10 on June 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Actually, I am with you on that. However, I am quite suspicious of this, as I have no trust in Ginsberg. With that being said, I would be very happy to see SCOTUS take this case, but not relying on it.
ICBM on June 8, 2009 at 5:36 PM
That’s assuming he finishes his term.
After the past (140?) days, that’s debatable.
Timothy S. Carlson on June 8, 2009 at 5:36 PM
I really really hope this goes somewhere.
I also hope that during the Sotomayor hearings the GOP will have the spine to ask ‘how do you think the fifth amendment applies to contracts’?
I pray the SCOTUS has the guts to see this through.
On a side note: if you’re not sure if someone will get the sarcasm, please add a /sarc tag. Thank you!
Chaz706 on June 8, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Don’t get too excited – because Ginsburg almost certainly didn’t make this decision on her own. She probably got strong indication from the other justices that they need to weigh in on this – if for no other reason than to put the SCOTUS stamp of approval on it. Hopefully it goes the other way – but we’ll have to see.
The Justices don’t play the kind of hardball that politicians do. Ginsburg would well take this case on even if she was for the sale 100% if the other justices asked to her to.
We have to believe that there has been a lot of debate in the SCOTUS lunchroom lately on the Constitutionality of a lot of this stuff – so I’m sure they’ve been looking at an opportunity to review this.
Hold your breath.
HondaV65 on June 8, 2009 at 5:37 PM
I’m thinking that this is Ginsburg telling Obama that the SCotUS is the only one allowed to over step the boundaries of the US Constitution…maybe some good can come from having too many Socialists in the commune?
Ginsburg: Oh no you didn’t!
Obama: Oh yes I did!
Ginsburg: Don’t go there!
Obama: What you going to do about it?!?
Ginsburg: I’m going to stall the sale of Chrysler until they have to liquidate. Let’s see how your little recovery goes after that!
Obama: I’ll get you, my pretty, and you’re little dog Kennedy too!
Geministorm on June 8, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Absolutely. Very astute observation.
JohnGalt23 on June 8, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Justice Ginsburg probably needs some husky bodyguards, to protect her from UAW thugs.
This might have something to do with that itty bitty clause in the Fifth Amendment about government seizure of private property without “just compensation”.
No question, when a bankrupt company is liquidated, all creditors lose money, but even Ginsburg, who voted to take Ms. Kelo’s house away from her for a private health club, felt that the Government had overstepped its bounds, that the compensation was “unjust”.
This could be huge. Other Chrysler creditors could step forward now, unafraid of being pilloried by the White House, if even GINSBURG sides with them, and Fiat will probably want a bigger piece of the pie for their money, at the expense of the UAW. What if SCOTUS blocks the whole thing and throws Chrysler into ordinary bankruptcy court, where judges will have no desire to reward the UAW, or face the ire of SCOTUS?
Then, we’ll probably see some GM creditors growing some ‘nads and petitioning SCOTUS to do the same for them–what’s good for Chrysler creditors is good for GM creditors, right?
Meanwhile, Obama is probably feeling like Al Gore did on December 12, 2000. What do you mean, I’m not above the law?
OUCH !!!!
SCOTUS to Obama: L’Etat, ce n’est pas toi. (You are NOT the State).
Steve Z on June 8, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Do you guys understand how rare this is? SCOTUS never does this. The fact that a liberal justice did this makes it even more so. The messiah is in deep, deep trouble.
Jdripper on June 8, 2009 at 5:41 PM
HondaV65 on June 8, 2009 at 5:37 PM
I’m watching FBN too.
oakpack on June 8, 2009 at 5:42 PM
+1
I need to go get another bag of popcorn. Dilbert’s press conference will surely be enjoyable
gatorboy on June 8, 2009 at 5:44 PM
I have 3 cats and a boxer/pit bull mix all sleeping in my office right now.
I woke them up earlier when I started pounding the desk and running around the office in fits of joy as I learned of the SCOTUS stay. Hopefully this will be the end of Chrysler and the beginning of the end for Obama.
izoneguy on June 8, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Just another example of the brilliance of the founding fathers, even if they were old white guys and not ‘wise latinas’.
Timothy S. Carlson on June 8, 2009 at 5:45 PM
I’d call that morning in america
gatorboy on June 8, 2009 at 5:46 PM
To date I’ve only heard Obama’s team argue the political merits of their scheme. If they made good legal arguments before the courts, I haven’t heard them. I mean, what could they say?! “We need to save union paychecks” isn’t exactly a legal argument.
So their first real challenge is going to be before SCOTUS itself. I’d give anything to be in that chamber the day Obama’s legal team presents their case (or lack of one) to Scalia, Kennedy, Roberts, Alito, Thomas. It won’t be pretty, methinks.
jeanneb on June 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM
That would be the best outcome, by far.
Daggett on June 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM
I did NOT understand how rare it is until it was pointed out by some person (I’m sorry, don’t recall who) being interviewed by Shep Smith just a few minutes before her decision. The guy said normally, a SCJ would dismiss it.
It has been a hugely interesting and rather entertaining day.
Ugly on June 8, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Obama isn’t used to doing that, so he may not know how.
His approach to getting his way has more to do with threats, ACORN thuggery, etc. You know, the Chicago way.
Daggett on June 8, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Sorry, I meant he isn’t used to arguing the legal aspects.
Daggett on June 8, 2009 at 5:50 PM
This could simply be a turf war between TOTUS and SCotUS… but I’m all for seeing some fighting now and again.
Please pass the popcorn.
Chaz706 on June 8, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Let’s wait to see if Judge Ruth gets a midnight call from O’s administration like other judges have.
oakpack on June 8, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Since Fiat did not get the Opel deal in Europe, Chrysler is just not that attractive.
Fiat + Opel + Chrysler = a new car power house.
Fiat + Chrysler = the same failure as Mercedes + Chrysler.
Don’t be surprised if Fiat drops out of the deal.
Obama is in a panic, for sure.
albill on June 8, 2009 at 6:00 PM
I’ve read the comments, and now I say….let’s just pray, that all parties start reading up on the Constitution, remember their oaths to uphold it, and use it as their guide, in making decisions.
Perhaps Justice Ginsburg, had done just that. Ideologicially, she probably has no problem with the sale, but ethically, she swore an oath, just as they all do, and is using this to guide her in this decision. Which in the end, is the only, and right thing to do.
capejasmine on June 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Obama isn’t used to doing that, so he may not know how.
jeanneb on June 8, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Yes after the Whitehouse gave Chrysler “suggestions”…..
Looks like all of the Chrysler dealerships will close now….
Maybe Obama wants this so he can prop GM up longer…
izoneguy on June 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Number 1 is Obama. Number 2 he says is the UAW. Everything else obama says is irrelevant. we won.
Remember obama has done a lot of illegal maneuvers and none have hit this court. I knew one would eventually. I can almost read
scalia’s reaction.
Obama seems to think oral contracts can be executed to over rule written contracts. The UAW is cutting itself off.
seven on June 8, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Time for the teleprompter to take 2 hours prime time to use the MSM to appeal to the court.
seven on June 8, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Rahmn call your thugs…clean up needed on SCOTUS!
d1carter on June 8, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Justice Ginsburg is not at all my favorite…except today.
P2 (President Pantywaist) is probably on the phone right now to Ron Gettlefinger asking what to do…if Michelle hasn’t spanked him too hard for looking like someone she can’t be proud of…
Harry Schell on June 8, 2009 at 6:21 PM
1. Fiat is basically getting Chrysler for free, so I don’t see them walking from this too quickly. I see this as scare tactics pushed by Barack’s consiglieres.
2. It is not Chrysler, but the thugs in the Obama Administration who set the terms for the deal.
2. Rattner’s deputy thug called Lauria a “terrorist”.
I’m loving this, and yep, I wager Lauria is too.
Buy Danish on June 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Each president recites the following oath, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution:
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
So far Obama has not held up his oath of office in regards to the Chrysler situation.
Next up, GM….
Just wait until some other get the juice to push things to the SCOTUS….
Obama will be busy in court for the remainder of his term.
izoneguy on June 8, 2009 at 6:30 PM
Damn! When did I wake up in Bizarro world? Or have I been dreaming since Jan 20th, and have now woken up from my long, national nightmare? I don’t know what to think anymore. ;-)
Fed45 on June 8, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Poor Barry. Rush, rush, rush got him nowhere. And can you dig the Karma? Screwed by a liberal judge!
GarandFan on June 8, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Wow white trash calling out other white trash. What is this world coming too!
xler8bmw on June 8, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Sorry meant to posted on another site has nothing to do with this story!
xler8bmw on June 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Eh, don’t worry, they will be replaced by a new group of cool kids in 6 months.
gator70 on June 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Good for Ginsburg. It is SCOTUS’s job to make sure the government doesn’t abuse the law as it endeavors to do “what is fair” (i.e., pay off the UAW).
dedalus on June 8, 2009 at 6:46 PM
Finally. Transparency is the true sunlight.
TN Mom on June 8, 2009 at 6:54 PM
Has the revolt begun?
How ever this falls, the next president will have to fight hard to get executive power back.
- The Cat
P.S. Maybe this is Obama’s real plan. . . destroy the presidency so the Politburo can rule.
MirCat on June 8, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Ginsburg did not suddenly wake up and smell the U.S. Constitution. She’s as reliable far-left as they come. She’ll make Sotomayor look like a right winger. Ginburg must have sensed that this has the potential to be a major issue — with other cases related to Obama’s abuse of the Constitution in the car bailout fiasco coming to the court — and she doesn’t want to look like a complete idiot punting on something another justice will take seriously and send to the full court. Whatever the case, is this goes to the court, Ginsburg will be an absolute vote for Team Obama. No doubt about it. She’s never been real bothered by all that Constitution-ey stuff. I’m pretty sure if someone brought up “the Constitution,” she’d ask “which country’s?”
Rational Thought on June 8, 2009 at 6:55 PM
And thus the best disinfectant?
MirCat on June 8, 2009 at 6:56 PM
hawksruleva on June 8, 2009 at 4:53 PM
You got that right hawks! Shared sacrifice; called to sacrifice; it’s all BS! Sacrifice means voluntary. If something is mandated by someone else, it’s not sacrifice.
kooly on June 8, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Yeah, I can’t quite see Ginsburg voting against The One, however this is a purely unconstitutional as it gets and I’m not scholar. One of these cases was bound to end up in the SCOTUS. Either she knew that, and let it go, or in her fossilized state she finally got a conscience………nah. It’s gotta be something else but Obama is totally screwed.
ORconservative on June 8, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Never underestimate one’s need for true power. Yes Ginsburg is a lefty, but as a member of SCOTUS she wields a tremendous amount of power, and one of those powers is to check the other two branches of government. As a lifetime appointee who was on the court long before anyone heard of Obama and will go no higher, I wonder if she really gives that much of a crap about the current administration? Instead of being cynical, I like to think that maybe, just maybe the Supreme Court is just doing it’s job without political glasses on. I don’t want to be a Pollyanna about it, but in some way I still have some faith.
gator70 on June 8, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Have Rahm and Barry discussed pitchforks with her?
They of course mentioned pichforks with Indian trust funds.
detroit is Barry’s katrina.
seven on June 8, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Ruth will have an overpowering need to retire in 5, 4, 3, 2,…
elduende on June 8, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Even if Ginsberg or the entire court allow the bankruptcy to proceed, there would be more of an inclination by GM’s creditors to file a suit against the bankruptcy. There are differences in the two filings and although similar constitutional issues, there would be enough variablility for the lawyers to figure out a new tactic and possibly one that would not involve Ginsberg and perhaps a more sensible justice.
hip shot on June 8, 2009 at 7:27 PM
WHY?
you wont get squat for it(especially now)
you should have known better in ’05
burn it instead.
i might suggest a Honda.
then again, i peddle them for a living,and nothing would delight me more thant to see the total liquidation of Chrysler. The total liquidation of the UAW, and the increased profitability of those who remain. I really think the “fire sale” mentality of the customer would come to an end.
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on June 8, 2009 at 7:29 PM
I hear that UAW is loading up a bus this weekend to take a tour of Ginsberg’s house. Probably a coincidence.
GunRunner on June 8, 2009 at 7:35 PM
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