Coburn wants tobacco outlawed?

posted at 12:55 pm on June 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Normally reliable free-market conservative Senator Tom Coburn has announced his opposition to moving the oversight of tobacco to the Food and Drug Administration.  The Senate’s only physician explains that this move makes no sense for a product that routinely kills hundreds of thousands of people each year when the FDA’s mission is to ensure the safety of products for Americans.  Instead, Coburn has called for an outright ban on tobacco:

A Republican senator who is also a doctor is calling for a new era of Prohibition — outlawing cigarette smoking and other tobacco use.

The unlikely demand comes from Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), one of the staunchest free-market conservatives in the Senate. …

Coburn has suggested banning tobacco outright rather than passing a bill that would authorize the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to restrict the manufacturing, marketing and sale of tobacco products.

“If we really want to make a difference in health and we want to eliminate dependence on tobacco, what we have to do is to stop the addiction,” Coburn said during floor debate.

On the merits, the idea would be a disaster.  Think of everything we’ve noted about the prohibition on marijuana, and multiply it by the number of tobacco users in the United States.  Not only would such a plan put thousands of farmers out of business and their supply chain as well, it would take an enormous law-enforcement effort to impose a tobacco prohibition.  The US would have to make itself into a police state to stamp out tobacco, and also to handle an explosion in a new black market in cigarettes.  The tobacco companies would collapse, and along with them a big portion of American pensions and savings.  Even in the best of economic times, it would be a disaster, and today it would put America instantly into a depression.

But is Coburn serious?  I doubt it, for all of the above reasons.  He seems to be pointing out a huge hypocrisy in government attitudes on tobacco.  Politicians love to rail against Big Tobacco and demonize them at every opportunity, but in truth government is as addicted to tobacco revenue as smokers are to the product.  Democrats rammed through a big increase in federal taxes to pay for a pandering expansion of S-CHIP, rather than just reforming the system to get resources to the children who need it.  Republicans, such as Governor Charlie Crist in Florida, don’t have any reservations about expanding tobacco taxes for their own purposes, either.

Plus, Big Tobacco provides a particular Democratic interest group a hefty income, too:

Coburn suggested Democrats are backing the legislation with an eye on helping a key interest group: trial lawyers.

“We have had all of these lawsuits through the years where billions of dollars have gone into attorneys’ coffers,” he said.

Indeed.  This looks like a dare from Coburn to his liberal colleagues in Congress: If you really hate tobacco, let’s go cold turkey on its revenue and ban it.  Otherwise, stop with all the hypocrisy and leave oversight where it belongs, in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and let the FDA worry about food and drug safety.

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Awesome. Outlawing cocaine, heroine, hashish and marijuana worked so well, I see absolutely no downside to this program.

So is this officially the end of the GOP?

angryed on June 5, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Then there would be no Tax revenues from it to fund Government…hmmm?

Devils Advocate: Shouldn’t the US be promoting unhealthy lifestyles, I mean there is homosexuality the left is promoting, but why not smoking? Does the US not need its citizens to not live so long thanks to the Ponzi Schemes we’ve set up bankrupting the country?

jp on June 5, 2009 at 12:59 PM

This should be fun to watch. I wonder what the far left’s reaction will be…

Upstater85 on June 5, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Charming. The GOP goes after smokers.

BigD on June 5, 2009 at 1:00 PM

SECOND LOOK AT SPEAK EASIES!!

blatantblue on June 5, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Wow, anyone know when we are going to be “growing” our own tabacoo? Where do I find seeds?

I wanna grow my own version of Matsu Smoking Stuff.

upinak on June 5, 2009 at 1:01 PM

I worry that this is the type of “dare” that could backfire with claims that Republicans want to ban tobacco. I would guess that Republicans do well with tobacco users; we can’t lose this group.

Coburn needs to walk this one back…

RedSoxNation on June 5, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Not to mention the incredible loss of city, state and federal tax revenues obtained each time a pack of smokes is sold.

coldwarrior on June 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM

So how many people have been killed in Mexico in relation to the current drug gang civil war in the last two years? About 10k?

Looking forward to the cigarette wars, if the Left takes him up on this. They looooove outlawing these things.

MadisonConservative on June 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Looks like a definite game of gotcha from Coburn.

BrianA on June 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Wow, anyone know when we are going to be “growing” our own tabacoo? Where do I find seeds?

I wanna grow my own version of Matsu Smoking Stuff.

upinak on June 5, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Heck, you can’t even grow hemp can you?

Upstater85 on June 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Coins and currency transmit disease. Save the children and refuse all cash.

Limerick on June 5, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Doesn’t Barry smoke?

Upstater85 on June 5, 2009 at 1:03 PM

I worry that this is the type of “dare” that could backfire …

RedSoxNation on June 5, 2009 at 1:01 PM

The 16th Amendment was sponsered by Republicans as a dare. How to that turn out.

WashJeff on June 5, 2009 at 1:03 PM

MadisonConservative on June 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM

People stock piling up on Nicorette gum and patches.

upinak on June 5, 2009 at 1:03 PM

I worry that this is the type of “dare” that could backfire with claims that Republicans want to ban tobacco. I would guess that Republicans do well with tobacco users; we can’t lose this group.

Coburn needs to walk this one back…

RedSoxNation on June 5, 2009 at 1:01 PM

good point, especially with the Politically Ignorant ‘libertarians’ out there, ready to exploit anything and everything to damage the GOP they want to takeover and remake into their unelectable view of things.

jp on June 5, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Anyone know what Coburn’s former stances on narcotics was?

Upstater85 on June 5, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Next step: Legalize marijuana and tax it!

ZenDraken on June 5, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Coburn is trying to ruin the Obama economy, look at all the programs the Left has built on the taxes from tobacco. It’ kind of funny when you think of it. As to farmers, they can plant something else, they could probably get paid to raise something for biofuel. I am not endorsing this, just throwing out some thoughts.

Cindy Munford on June 5, 2009 at 1:04 PM

“We have had all of these lawsuits through the years where billions of dollars have gone into attorneys’ coffers,” he said.

Pun intended?

LibTired (KO) on June 5, 2009 at 1:04 PM

I’d feel a lot better if he SAID he wanted to illegalize Tobacco to point out the hypocrisy… Rather than just let the statement stand…

Skywise on June 5, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Heck, you can’t even grow hemp can you?

Upstater85 on June 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM

In Alaska, I can have 3 lbs of pot in my house. But you can’t grow it, sell it.. etc.

How does THAT work?

I am allergic to it anyways. I usually don’t have a probelm with Pot heads in general. But take away someones cigarette and watch me freak out!

upinak on June 5, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Grow your own – here’s a place that’s just down the road a piece. http://www.newhopeseed.com/tobacco

sannhet on June 5, 2009 at 1:05 PM

If this happens, a lot of hot chicks will start gaining weight.

*Ducks*

perroviejo on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Coburn is trying to ruin the Obama economy, look at all the programs the Left has built on the taxes from tobacco. It’ kind of funny when you think of it. As to farmers, they can plant something else, they could probably get paid to raise something for biofuel. I am not endorsing this, just throwing out some thoughts.

Cindy Munford on June 5, 2009 at 1:04 PM

It would be funny to hear the Dems respond, “We can’t outlaw tobacco, even if it does cause cancer. We need the taxes.”

Wethal on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Heck, you can’t even grow hemp can you?

Upstater85 on June 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Nope, that’s completely illegal. Even though it has no hallucinagenic properties and has a gazillion legal uses. It’s production is illegal, because of it’s similarity to marijuana.

MarkTheGreat on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Looks like a definite game of gotcha from Coburn.

BrianA on June 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Agreed. The left has been ridiculously hypocritical on tobacco, it’s past time to rub their face in it.

Make them squirm, Coburn!

Rebar on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Next step: Legalize marijuana and tax it!

ZenDraken on June 5, 2009 at 1:04 PM

What would you pay for a pack of pot? Yeah, a PACK of pot. twenty little pot ciggies? 100? 200?

Do you realize that cigarettes are taxed higher then even gasoline right now.

Why outlaw it? It is a Federal and State income bounty!

upinak on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Next step: Legalize marijuana and tax it!

ZenDraken on June 5, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Logically, I don’t think you could ban tobacco for health reasons but legalize marijuana. My understanding is that there is still some cigarette like chemicals in a joint.

Upstater85 on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

I’m still waiting for someone to propose mandatory health club memberships. With proof that you attended and sweated.

MarkTheGreat on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

People stock piling up on Nicorette gum and patches.

upinak on June 5, 2009 at 1:03 PM

100 million people quitting cold turkey in this country.

You say you want a revo-lutionnn, welll you know…

MadisonConservative on June 5, 2009 at 1:08 PM

WWAWLD?

LibTired (KO) on June 5, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Nope, that’s completely illegal. Even though it has no hallucinagenic properties and has a gazillion legal uses. It’s production is illegal, because of it’s similarity to marijuana.

MarkTheGreat on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

You can buy it in Wal-Mart… just don’t use it ;)

Also, I know there are some American Indians that would like to legally grow this — TO MAKE MONEY!!! But the gubmint said NO. Nothing says empower the individual like “NO.”

Upstater85 on June 5, 2009 at 1:08 PM

MarkTheGreat on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

You just made me rich. Spray on sweat for that sweet smell of success.

Limerick on June 5, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Do you realize that cigarettes are taxed higher then even gasoline right now.

Why outlaw it? It is a Federal and State income bounty!

upinak on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

And this is why I think the Left wouldn’t outlaw it. It would make them look foolish.

The left loves their Sin Taxes.

Upstater85 on June 5, 2009 at 1:09 PM

They won’t make tobacco illegal to posses, it will just be illegal to smoke it.

One town out west passed a law making it illegal to smoke within 50 feet of the doorway of a public establishment. The dirty little secret was that doorways were about 75 feet apart, or less through most of the city.

MarkTheGreat on June 5, 2009 at 1:10 PM

I’m still waiting for someone to propose mandatory health club memberships. With proof that you attended and sweated.

MarkTheGreat on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

…then propose a tax on all pizza, desserts, etc and see how that one flies – I guess this would cause a real food fight.

Heh.

perroviejo on June 5, 2009 at 1:10 PM

But,but,but its for the children! SCHIP.

This is going to backfire.

canditaylor68 on June 5, 2009 at 1:10 PM

MarkTheGreat on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

You just made me rich. Spray on sweat for that sweet smell of success.

Limerick on June 5, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Got some Chewbacca sweat?

Upstater85 on June 5, 2009 at 1:10 PM

I’m still waiting for someone to propose mandatory health club memberships. With proof that you attended and sweated.

MarkTheGreat on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Maybe it will be like summer camp. Everyone gather at the flagpole first thing in the morning for calisthentics.
Attendance will be taken.

Wethal on June 5, 2009 at 1:10 PM

I’d feel a lot better if he SAID he wanted to illegalize Tobacco to point out the hypocrisy… Rather than just let the statement stand…

Skywise on June 5, 2009 at 1:04 PM

This is about what I was thinking. I like the point of the “dare” (if that is what it is, which I suspect), but with the media the way that it is, the ploy won’t get the press. It will be the first thing he says: “Hey, let’s ban tobacco.” He can point out the hypocrisy aspect of it later, but that may or may not get reported.

XWing5 on June 5, 2009 at 1:10 PM

He may be calling their bluff by taking the current mess to its logical conclusion. Given the regulations in place, the tobacco lawsuit settlements, etc, his point may be that if it is really that dangerous, just ban it. Then, those that vote for banning can find new jobs after the next election…….

Vashta.Nerada on June 5, 2009 at 1:10 PM

100 million people quitting cold turkey in this country.

You say you want a revo-lutionnn, welll you know…

MadisonConservative on June 5, 2009 at 1:08 PM

I don’t know if you smoke Mad. But I do.. and I regret it. I have tried I don’t even know how many times to quit (still trying to stop) and I am NOT a nice person.

Take 100 million.. times that by pissy comparison of PMS for everyone… and you have one really ticked off nation!

upinak on June 5, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Don’t know Coburn that well, but this definitely looks like a “put up or shut up” kind of play.

Entertaining, too. Tobacco is ingrained deeply into our agricultural and national heritage (important early export for colonial economy), and “Prohibition II” will be impossible to pass even with the standard democratic meme of “evil” tobacco companies.

Not in favor of smoking or tobacco, just pragmatic and looking forward to the fireworks if this takes hold.

cs89 on June 5, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Back off Tommy Boy*! We don’t have SERIOUS problems for the minority party that this tangent needs to be addressed.

As my grandfather used to say about his vote for Al Smith in 1928, because of prohibition, “Any government that tells YOU what YOU can and cannot drink; will have no problem telling YOU what YOU can and cannot think.”

*Another reason RNC and Rep National Senatorial Committee will get NOTHING from me.

Branch Rickey on June 5, 2009 at 1:11 PM

You can buy it in Wal-Mart… just don’t use it ;)

Upstater85 on June 5, 2009 at 1:08 PM

I’m pretty certain that the hemp based products in Wal-Mart are all imported.

MarkTheGreat on June 5, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Wethal on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Wow, too true, I hadn’t even considered the entertainment value of the argument. More popcorn, please.

Cindy Munford on June 5, 2009 at 1:13 PM

I’m pretty certain that the hemp based products in Wal-Mart are all imported.

MarkTheGreat on June 5, 2009 at 1:12 PM

I would hope so … ;)

If not, WOW, where are they growing it all?

Upstater85 on June 5, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Coburn next: Ban Cell Phones (they cause brain tumors and GLOBAL WARMING!!!)

Let’s see where the left would take this.

What could they b*tch about next? Human fecal matter?

Upstater85 on June 5, 2009 at 1:15 PM

From a Heinlein book, I think it was “Outpost on Jupiter”.

The grizzled old veteran who has taken our hero under his wing tells the hero, (from memory)
“The purpose of govt is to protect men from each other. When your govt decides that it’s purpose is to protect men from themselves, then it’s time to get yourself a new government.”

MarkTheGreat on June 5, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Awesome. He’s calling the Dems’ bluff on cigarette taxes, and good for him. Dems love exploiting the poor and the addicted for tax revenue, and Coburn’s punching them in the face for it.

Liberals constantly talk about how evil Big Tobacco is, and how addictive cigarettes are, yet they constantly raise taxes on that same “addicted” population because they know they can. This is a brilliant play by Coburn – he can step back and say, “so you Democrats don’t actually care about anyone’s health, you just want all that tax revenue!”

Grab your popcorn.

Fallen Sparrow on June 5, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Coburn is a drag.

faraway on June 5, 2009 at 1:17 PM

But..but, if we outlaw tobacco, where will we get unencumbered tax money from? We need MORE smokers not less. BRING BACK TELEVISION ADVERTISING!!!

originalpechanga on June 5, 2009 at 1:17 PM

One of these days I’m going to write a science fiction story where some radical group does to smokers what they’ve been doing to fur wearers, the entire population stops smoking, and the government goes bankrupt and collapses.

Socratease on June 5, 2009 at 1:18 PM

SECOND LOOK AT SPEAK EASIES!!

blatantblue on June 5, 2009 at 1:00 PM

LOL….

ladyingray on June 5, 2009 at 1:18 PM

As to farmers, they can plant something else, they could probably get paid to raise something for biofuel.

Cindy Munford on June 5, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Tobacco returns more per acre than almost any other crop. As many tobacco farmers are small acerage farmers, (in some cases, particularly in the burley areas in Ky, a farmer may only grow 1 or 2 acres) there’s not much to grow to replace the income.

BacaDog on June 5, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Tip of the day….

buy ZIG-ZAG stock right f****** now!!!!!!!!!!!!

Limerick on June 5, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Logically, I don’t think you could ban tobacco for health reasons but legalize marijuana…

Upstater85 on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

There’s the key word. There is no such thing as logic in Washington. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see those idiots outlaw tobacco and legalize marijuana.

Voice of Reason on June 5, 2009 at 1:21 PM

As a clove smoker, both bills are the same to me. The FDA bill bans all flavored tobacco except menthol. I won’t be able to buy a carton of Djarum, but I can still buy whatever brand Obama smokes. What’s the point of banning one but not the other?

rw on June 5, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Charming. The GOP goes after smokers.

BigD on June 5, 2009 at 1:00 PM

I’m fairly sure he’s just making a point.

mankai on June 5, 2009 at 1:23 PM

I have been wanting to see someone say why not just ban tobacco? The liberals(including a lot of Republicans) tell privately owned business that they cannot allow smoking or trans fats, etc. Well, I would like to hear a liberal come out and say why they aren’t banning it.

I bet Ed is right. He is not really for banning it, he is more or less playing Devil’s advocate to get the libs to admit their true motives.

jeffn21 on June 5, 2009 at 1:23 PM

I’m still waiting for someone to propose mandatory health club memberships. With proof that you attended and sweated.

MarkTheGreat on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

While tongue and cheek – I find it interesting when 25 years ago – there were a few hundred gyms, few personal trainers, with about $500M spent on “personal health” and the obesity rate was roughly 10%

Fast foward today – 10,000+ gyms, thousands of personal trainers, $50B or so spent on “personal health” – and obesity is around 25-30%…

That is the snapshot of me, me America – while hoping that mystery pill really helps you lose 20 lbs, without dieting or exercising. People show up at gyms, chat for a bit – walk a couple of miles on a treadmill, never change their personal habits or diets – and to top it off – try to sue QSR and “fat” foods. And also claim “how much they work out – to “no avail”, as if the means justify the ends.

Odie1941 on June 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Otherwise, stop with all the hypocrisy and leave oversight where it belongs, in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and let the FDA worry about food and drug safety.

The same health-related case could be made for outlawing booze. Obama is already working to get rid of the guns. So do we really even need an ATF? Maybe that bureau could be replaced with an organization that solely exists to find new ways to tax Americans’ everyday lives with such innovations as:

A “keystroke usage fee” on text messages to buy cell phones for the poor. Lots of potential revenue with the added bonus of creating government jobs monitoring enforcement.

Extending the cap & trade concept to pet owners, making them pay for the carbon footprint of their companion’s waste For dogs, something along the lines of putting a surcharge on those little blue baggies and criminalizing using them to pick up after your pet. For cats you just apply it to the cost of kitty litter. All other pets and to account for violations would be covered by an “equalization fee” applied to all Americans in the cost of some basic necessity like candles to light at the mandatory home altar to Barak Obama shrine.

highhopes on June 5, 2009 at 1:25 PM

I literally just this minute returned from Vegas. (i know I disobeyed Obamas orders to not go.) Good luck with a ban on tobacco of any kind is all I can say. Everyone still smokes when they are playing the slots. Cigars, cigs, pipes…every where.

kahall on June 5, 2009 at 1:25 PM

SECOND LOOK AT SPEAK EASIES!!

blatantblue on June 5, 2009 at 1:00 PM

If you are ever in NYC – west village – hit up Chauncey’s…

Odie1941 on June 5, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Odie
Got a cuz there
I’ll check’er out

blatantblue on June 5, 2009 at 1:28 PM

You know, the guy has every right to be against smoking, but does he have to be dumb enough to propose banning it? I’m beginning to think that Republicans have caught whatever disease is going around Washington that has breathtaking stupidity as a side effect. When, in God’s name, will those people get out of our lives!

orlandocajun on June 5, 2009 at 1:28 PM

SECOND LOOK AT SPEAK EASIES!!

blatantblue on June 5, 2009 at 1:00 PM

“Smokeasies”

Seriously though, do any of our senators or congressmen have a clue about government or economics?
ugh

max1 on June 5, 2009 at 1:29 PM

We need a Cigarette Czar.
Booze Czar
Cell Phone Czar

Knucklehead on June 5, 2009 at 1:32 PM

We could ban all daylight outdoor activity too. Skin cancer be gone!

Carpal-tunnel? Burn your keyboard and mouse.

Drowning? Back fill that pool!

Rock climbing, hiking, motorcycles, skydiving, scuba…all must go for the health of the nation.

Limerick on June 5, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Limerick on June 5, 2009 at 1:32 PM

You take fishing and hunting away … and you and i are going to have a talk.

upinak on June 5, 2009 at 1:34 PM

No sex, no STDs!

Limerick on June 5, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Wow, anyone know when we are going to be “growing” our own tabacoo? Where do I find seeds?

I wanna grow my own version of Matsu Smoking Stuff.

upinak

Here ya go. They have cold weather varieties that grow fine in Canada and England. Should grow damned big in the Mat-su valley.

Kristopher on June 5, 2009 at 1:35 PM

First, marijuana should be illegal and as far as protecting as many as we can from the liars who say it is harmless we are doing a good job. Only fools say we are losing the war on drugs. Second, we would just need to invent a new classification for tobacco. I invite you to come up with solutions. I have none at this time but it is a harmful product, we know that now more than ever.

Observation on June 5, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Limerick on June 5, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Rock Climbing Czar
Hiking Czar
Motorcycle Czar
Skydiving Czar
Scuba Czar
Carpal Tunnel Czar
Swimming Pool Back Fill Czar
Sunlight is Bad For You Czar

Knucklehead on June 5, 2009 at 1:36 PM

BacaDog on June 5, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Don’t worry the government will pay them the difference. They have manipulated farmers in the past why stop now. I don’t want to be seen as endorsing this, I just think it is funny. Democrats will be against it because they have built their little perks on tobaccos taxes while bashing it’s use and Republicans will be arguing against free enterprise. It will be surreal.

Cindy Munford on June 5, 2009 at 1:37 PM

upinak on June 5, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Fishing Czar
Hunting Czar

I’m sorry, I’m Czar obsessed.

Knucklehead on June 5, 2009 at 1:38 PM

But is Coburn serious? I doubt it, for all of the above reasons. He seems to be pointing out a huge hypocrisy in government attitudes on tobacco.

Ed Morrissey

This would be a lot more fun if you moronic twits really read what Ed wrote. It must be frustrating to him to go through all his writing and composition only to have the resident commenters blow off without reading his post. Ed, you can save yourself a lot of work by just posting a crontroversial lede – they don’t read the rest anyway!

Coburn was showing the hyprocricy of the political class, not advocating banning your sacrifice sticks to the great god nick ‘o tine (Kipling). Sheesh!

Old Country Boy on June 5, 2009 at 1:38 PM

I believe there was a pot full of Porkulus money ostensibly dedicated to smoking cessation programs while at the same time we have health coverage for children based on tobacco revenues.

a capella on June 5, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Coburn was showing the hyprocricy of the political class, not advocating banning your sacrifice sticks to the great god nick ‘o tine (Kipling). Sheesh!

Old Country Boy on June 5, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Really? It was sarcasim? Pointing a finger at the finger pointers?

Damn.

Limerick on June 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Odie
Got a cuz there
I’ll check’er out

blatantblue on June 5, 2009 at 1:28 PM

It’s an old Speak Easy – that you literally have to go through an alley, backdorr, no sign – is supposed to be haunted… but serves over 100 beers on tap.

I also reccomend the “Ghosts and Gobbling Tour” – run by a 65 year old Texas native – to see the historical elements of the “original” Manhattan. Thats how we came upon Chauncey’s – and I believe don’t advertise or market – word of mouth knowledge or their matchbooks.

http://www.nyc24.org/2002/issue04/story02/page02.asp

Odie1941 on June 5, 2009 at 1:43 PM

But,but,but its for the children! SCHIP.

This is going to backfire.

canditaylor68 on June 5, 2009 at 1:10 PM

actually they were recruiting 20 million more smokers to increas the tobacco tax base.

If they teach sex education in kindergarten, where will the 3rd graders get a smoke after a date?

seven on June 5, 2009 at 1:43 PM

leave oversight where it belongs, in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and let the FDA worry about food and drug safety.

Better yet, drop the taxes and the oversight and ban the BATF.

TexasDan on June 5, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Everyone always leaves out the ‘E’….it is BATFE.

Limerick on June 5, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Coburn is throwing it back at them. He’s a smart dude, takes thinking out of the box to do that.

ProudinNC on June 5, 2009 at 1:48 PM

I don’t know if you smoke Mad. But I do.. and I regret it. I have tried I don’t even know how many times to quit (still trying to stop) and I am NOT a nice person.

Take 100 million.. times that by pissy comparison of PMS for everyone… and you have one really ticked off nation!

upinak on June 5, 2009 at 1:11 PM

It would not shock me one bit if that is the straw that breaks the camel’s back. Freedoms just as trivial were what fueled the original Revolution.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that fascism and communism rose to serious consideration in the US during the years that alcohol was outlawed.

Keep it up, folks. Make no mistake, as soft and complacent as most of the American people are, you WILL push them too far.

MadisonConservative on June 5, 2009 at 1:48 PM

I say let’s ban Birkenstocks.

Akzed on June 5, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Knucklehead on June 5, 2009 at 1:38 PM

dam you…

upinak on June 5, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Old Country Boy on June 5, 2009 at 1:38 PM

So you didn’t want us to comment?

Cindy Munford on June 5, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Old Country Boy on June 5, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Who the hell are you, and why should we care? This blog is teeming with sarcasm, irony, and satire. Get the hell over yourself.

MadisonConservative on June 5, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Obooba will never sign such legislation/amendment.

Akzed on June 5, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Peeps….Colburn represents Oklahoma…you know the grandpappy of all American Indian reservations. The American Indians who introduced tobacco to us foreigners.
This is a neo-con attempt to put an end to the Indian problem once and for all. The racist, murdering, enslaving puritan, crusaders are at it again.

Limerick on June 5, 2009 at 1:55 PM

For Tobacco being a common herbe, which (though under divers names) growes almost every where, was first found out by some of the barbarous Indians, to be a Preservative, or Antidot against the Pockes, a filthy disease, whereunto these barbarous people are (as all men know) very much subject, what through the uncleanly and adust constitution of their bodies, and what through the intemperate heate of their Climat: so that as from them was first brought into Christendome, that most detestable disease, so from them likewise was brought this use of Tobacco, as a stinking and unsavorie Antidot, for so corrupted and execrable a Maladie, the stinking Suffumigation whereof they yet use against that disease, making so one canker or venime to eate out another.

And now good Countrey men let us (I pray you) consider, what honour or policie can moove us to imitate the barbarous and beastly maners of the wilde, godlesse, and slavish Indians, especially in so vile and stinking a custome?

Have you not reason then to bee ashamed, and to forbeare this filthie noveltie, so basely grounded, so foolishly received and so grossely mistaken in the right use thereof? In your abuse thereof sinning against God, harming your selves both in persons and goods, and raking also thereby the markes and notes of vanitie upon you: by the custome thereof making your selves to be wondered at by all forraine civil Nations, and by all strangers that come among you, to be scorned and contemned. A custome lothsome to the eye, hatefull to the Nose, harmefull to the braine, dangerous to the Lungs, and in the blacke stinking fume thereof, neerest resembling the horrible Stigian smoke of the pit that is bottomelesse.

-King James I of England, writing in 1604 hoping to persuade his subjects not to smoke the American weed, and shortly before raising the tobacco tax by 4,000 percent.

deesine on June 5, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Coburn was showing the hyprocricy of the political class, not advocating banning your sacrifice sticks to the great god nick ‘o tine (Kipling). Sheesh!

Old Country Boy on June 5, 2009 at 1:38 PM

You aren’t an Ol’ Country Boy… unless you dip, chew, spit or smoke. So how white is that neck of yours?

Get a clue please!

upinak on June 5, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Regulate tobacco under HHS. Then they get a call in central Planning and tell you your hernia repair is scheduled and approved for 2012. Because you are a smoker.

seven on June 5, 2009 at 2:04 PM

I think that he is going to have a tough time with this one. Even I enjoy the occasional cigar with my compadres or a puff on the ol’ pipe…

CynicalOptimist on June 5, 2009 at 2:08 PM

My understanding is that there is still some cigarette like chemicals in a joint.

Upstater85 on June 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Please detail your understanding. Per limited understanding, tobacco is poisonous until it is processed for smoking. Even then, it is typically processed with an array chemicals as deadly as any meth lab. Pot can be smoked and eaten right off the plant.

Tobacco returns more per acre than almost any other crop. As many tobacco farmers are small acerage farmers, (in some cases, particularly in the burley areas in Ky, a farmer may only grow 1 or 2 acres) there’s not much to grow to replace the income.

BacaDog on June 5, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Hemp and marijuana blow doors on tobacco in terms of yield and profit.

First, marijuana should be illegal and as far as protecting as many as we can from the liars who say it is harmless we are doing a good job. Only fools say we are losing the war on drugs. Second, we would just need to invent a new classification for tobacco. I invite you to come up with solutions. I have none at this time but it is a harmful product, we know that now more than ever.

Observation on June 5, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Should all harmful products, substances and edibles that are harmful be illegal? In that case, we should ban books from your household. They are clearly an impediment to your mental health.

The Race Card on June 5, 2009 at 2:10 PM

The Race Card on June 5, 2009 at 2:10 PM

The only time tabacoo is poisonous is when it hasn’t been dried. As with many plants.. you have to dry them before doing anything to them.

Anyone who gardens, farms or is in agriculture knows that. Onions, Garlic and in some cases wheat need to dry for a period of 3 days before doing anything with them.

upinak on June 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Cindy Munford on June 5, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Hmmmm. There’s already been one buyout for tobacco farmers. Maybe they’ll be another!

Several years ago Kennedy and some others from Congress were sponsoring studies on alternative crops for tobacco farmers. They found out there wasn’t much that could replace the income.

I remember seeing some newscast while I was in southern Georgia where a pretty, young newsgirl asked this old farmer what he thought of Kennedy’s idea.

He said: “If Mr. Kennedy had been smoking cigarettes instead of drinking liquor, that girl would still be alive.”

BacaDog on June 5, 2009 at 2:18 PM

The Race Card on June 5, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Poisonous? I’ve known old farmers who would pick up a dried leaf off the barn floor to chew- no “processing” needed. The content of cigarettes is primarily a blend of different tobacco leaves to yield the desired strength and flavor, not a “meth lab” style of an “array of chemicals.” The danger- for cigs and pot- is inhaling a hot, gaseous mixture of chemicals from burning leaves into the human airway.

Oh, and there are more (and much less studied) chemicals in burning pot than tobacco.

cs89 on June 5, 2009 at 2:24 PM

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