Obama’s Cairo speech: Surprisingly good

posted at 9:28 am on June 4, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

I didn’t get the chance to watch Barack Obama’s Cairo speech live, although I’m sure that it will be chopped up on YouTube within the next couple of hours.  Instead, I read the full text posted by Andrew Malcolm, as well as Andrew’s commentary, and in most ways, it wouldn’t differ from a similar speech given by any recent American President.  In fact, the Cairo audience may have been a little surprised about the depth of the defense of Israel’s right to exist in peace, as well as the strong denunciation of 9/11 Trutherism that has been wildly popular among Arabs, even though Osama bin Laden claimed credit long ago for the attack.

Not surprisingly, Obama emphasized the rights of Palestinians to live in their own state, which the Washington Post’s Howard Schneider reported via Twitter prompted a lot of head-nodding.  Obama added this scolding to Arab nations, though, that may have come as a surprise:

Finally, the Arab States must recognize that the Arab Peace Initiative was an important beginning, but not the end of their responsibilities. The Arab-Israeli conflict should no longer be used to distract the people of Arab nations from other problems. Instead, it must be a cause for action to help the Palestinian people develop the institutions that will sustain their state; to recognize Israel’s legitimacy; and to choose progress over a self-defeating focus on the past.

That was a not-so-subtle jab at the practice of various Arab and Muslim states to use the Palestinian issue to whip up anti-Israel sentiment for their own domestic purposes.  Egypt has diplomatic relations with Israel, but is not above doing some of that itself, which makes this jab a little more sharp, given the setting.  It seems a little surprising — and refreshing — that Obama would challenge this practice in a speech in Cairo.

Israel, Obama said, has to accept a two-state solution with real sovereignty.  Well, they have, on numerous occasions.  They’ve also withdrawn from Gaza; Obama appeared to blame Israel for the misery of the Gazans, rather than Hamas, who keeps launching wars against Israel.  Obama could have shown a little more backbone in pointing that out, and it seems like pandering to have avoided it.  However, he did instruct the audience about Israel’s right to exist:

America’s strong bonds with Israel are well known. This bond is unbreakable. It is based upon cultural and historical ties, and the recognition that the aspiration for a Jewish homeland is rooted in a tragic history that cannot be denied.

Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed – more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless, ignorant, and hateful. Threatening Israel with destruction – or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews – is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve.

Speaking of baseless, ignorant, and hateful, Obama tried to set the record straight on 9/11, and set a baseline for American security:

The situation in Afghanistan demonstrates America’s goals, and our need to work together. Over seven years ago, the United States pursued al Qaeda and the Taliban with broad international support. We did not go by choice, we went because of necessity. I am aware that some question or justify the events of 9/11. But let us be clear: al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day. The victims were innocent men, women and children from America and many other nations who had done nothing to harm anybody. And yet Al Qaeda chose to ruthlessly murder these people, claimed credit for the attack, and even now states their determination to kill on a massive scale. They have affiliates in many countries and are trying to expand their reach. These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with.

Make no mistake: we do not want to keep our troops in Afghanistan. We seek no military bases there. It is agonizing for America to lose our young men and women. It is costly and politically difficult to continue this conflict. We would gladly bring every single one of our troops home if we could be confident that there were not violent extremists in Afghanistan and Pakistan determined to kill as many Americans as they possibly can. But that is not yet the case.

Most of the rest of the speech was standard boilerplate, heavy on the compatibility of Islam and America and historical examples going back to our founding.  Obama didn’t mention the Barbary Pirates, but he did note that the US has over 1200 mosques and claimed that almost 8 million Muslims live in the US.  That number is the subject of dispute; CAIR claims 8 million, but the CIA and other surveys put it at less than 2 million.  For the purposes of this audience, Obama used the highest number, apparently to make the biggest impression.

Did it work? Schneider says it only received light applause at the end, so perhaps Obama told a few too many hard truths for Egyptian tastes — which is why we questioned that decision.  On the whole, though, Obama defended American positions on Israel and Afghanistan with more strength than he does here at home.

Of course, the big question will be whether this does anything at all for our standing in the Muslim world.  Frankly, I doubt it; this may wind up eroding Obama’s standing instead.  Still, a much better effort than I’d feared.

Update: Yid with Lid strongly disagrees with me on Obama’s defense of Israel, so be sure to read all of his post.

Update II: I note on Twitter that plenty of people are upset with Obama’s quoting of the Koran and his positive spin on Islam, ie, “religion of peace,” “Golden Rule,” etc.  He is in Cairo, after all, and to quote an old aphorism, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.  Appealing to people’s better natures is a rhetorical device with a long history — and a long history of mixed results.  However, I don’t hear anything in this speech that Bush didn’t say himself.

Update III: I would also say that I didn’t see much apologizing for America in this speech, but that there was some; Obama mentions Gitmo and the 1950s coup d’etat in Iran.  Also, Michelle takes my point about the tenor of this speech sounding a lot like Bush’s, but she consistently objected to that in Bush’s speeches as well.


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And, re: Obama’s “apology” to Iran, don’t forget American leftists and Iranian Americans worked to help the Iranian Revolution in 1979. It is people like Obama who are responsible for the deposition of the Shah, Ayatolla Khomeini’s return, and hence, for Ahmadinejad himself.

Connie on June 4, 2009 at 4:56 PM

PS: is the sar tag really necessary?

abobo on June 4, 2009 at 4:56 PM

PS: is the sar tag really necessary?

abobo on June 4, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Sadly, these days, yes. Look at what Ed wrote and how everyone thought he wasn’t being sarcastic :)

progressoverpeace on June 4, 2009 at 5:00 PM

The thing that always amazes me about Barack Obama is that he seems to think he can just tell people to cut that out, and they will. As if his personality is so compelling that people will want to please him.

The Arabs know that their governments suck. They know that their governments use Israel as a scapegoat for their own thuggery. This is not news to them, but apparently it does not bother them enough to change.

They hate the Jews, because they want to. They hate Americans because they want to. Telling them to straighten up and fly right is not going to change that.

And as for Islam’s accomplishments, I think they stole a lot of those accomplishments when they gobbled up cultures.

It was Indians who made the real advances in math. And the first book was actually published by the Koreans.

Terrye on June 4, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Baxter Greene on June 4, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Baxter, of course I understood what you meant. I appreciate your attentive response. I agree that most comments on most threads are directed as personal reinterpretations of what X just said, restatements. However, frequently my own responses are a progression of thought process. Your idea clicked a flow that was obviously not explaining your own thought.

Taking my quote out of context to prove some other point really makes no sense.

I moved from your idea through my own thoughts, which obviously are mine, not yours, though motivated from your reference to GWB, for goodness sake. There’s no reason to feel threatened or offended that your idea motivates thoughts from readers. My response to your idea was also a follow through from a previous poster’s experience in our current situation attempting to stabilize elections in America. Obama in Cairo or anywhere is explicitly working to destabilize America and usurp our votes and our own election results. Note my last post re: Kermit Roosevelt, my comments are germane to this thread.

maverick muse on June 4, 2009 at 5:13 PM

We live in an Orwellian society now. We may well be the last generation who remembers what freedom felt like.

petunia on June 4, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Truer words couldn’t be spoken. Very chilling. Freedom is not free. Keep your powder dry.

obama = fascism with a new mustache

p.s. AnninCa; sorry, you’re an airhead.

falderal on June 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Separation. Therefore, we should always deeply respect religious differences, including those who do not subscribe to any religion.
That’s fundamental.
AnninCA on June 4, 2009 at 2:03 PM

But that doesn’t make us a “Christian” nation. There is a difference. Subtle, but profoundly different, particularly when talking about theocracies.
AnninCA on June 4, 2009 at 2:09 PM

From United States v. Macintosh, 283 U.S. 605 (1931):
We are a Christian people (Holy Trinity Church v. United States, 143 U. S. 457, 143 U. S. 470-471), according to one another the equal right of religious freedom and acknowledging with reverence the duty of obedience to the will of God. But, also, we are a nation with the duty to survive; a nation whose Constitution contemplates war as well as peace; whose government must go forward upon the assumption, and safely can proceed upon no other, that unqualified allegiance to the nation and submission and obedience to the laws of the land, as well those made for war as those made for peace, are not inconsistent with the will of God.

ricer1 on June 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM

It was good to hear him defend our ties with Israel a bit more strongly than I expected and to pimp slap Holocaust denial and 9/11 conspiracy nuts, I’ll give him that. The whole victim status he bestows upon Muslims on behalf of the West was overdone and inaccurate but it’s to be expected as liberals live for that victim card.

Yakko77 on June 4, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Terrye on June 4, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Ah, the charismatic authoritarian being tested, as Biden promised with wary prediction.

Given his Ivy League education, it’s silly to claim that anyone other than the Romans invented the arch. Never let the truth get in the way of a good story is an old Democrat saying.

maverick muse on June 4, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Perhaps you share those views.

Debbie Schlussel on June 4, 2009 at 4:06 PM

I don’t. But then, I’m too busy watching Watchmen, which obviously makes me subhuman, right?

MadisonConservative on June 4, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Baxter Greene on June 4, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Bush “showing” Obama how to fight the war on terror.

My post was specifically stating the success and policies by the Bush administration concerning the War on Terror and how Obama has adopted many of these same policies that the liberals whined and cried about until Obama started using them.

Good point. Obama the Assimilator. Whatever works to achieve his own agenda, including emulating the maligned Bush. Obama is the equal-opportunist abuser, designated “cool”. He can say, do, wear the same as his supposed nemesis Bush.

maverick muse on June 4, 2009 at 5:33 PM

I still come here to read the many BRILLIANT comments, but the blog posts can really leave a lot to be desired. I can NOT believe that any conservative could have called this speech “surprisingly good”.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on June 4, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Debbie Schlussel on June 4, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Well, it had to be said..
I guess “surprisingly good” = a few million dead Israelis.
Al-Azhar allows its faculty to routinely call Jews as “monkeys and pigs….. They killed prophets and messengers and sowed corruption on Earth. They are the most evil on Earth.” Obama wants to compare it Oxford University as a place of rational thinking. Even a two-minute Google search would bring that up.
Great analysis, Ed. Almost as good as your inciteful neutral take on that Der Sturmer-wannabe cartoon a couple of months ago. Do you even have a inkling how debasing that thing was to Jews?
Not HA’s finest moment.

TexasJew on June 4, 2009 at 6:26 PM

could have called this speech “surprisingly good”.

Aslans Girl on June 4, 2009 at 6:25 PM

It was ‘surprisingly good’ relative to the much worse speech that was expected.

YiZhangZhe on June 4, 2009 at 6:29 PM

He didn’t cut extremist Muslims any slack. There was no apology for the reality that the US was attacked, and we are going to do whatever to be safe.
Didn’t that reassure some of you?
AnninCA on June 4, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Joke, right?

Nonetheless, kingsjester, conservatives who don’t hollar that this is NOT a Christian country really are ignoring the very basic principle of our country. We really can’t lose sight that freedom of religion is our very roots.
Those who don’t respect and fight for that really should not call themselves conservatives.
AnninCA on June 4, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Oh please! We are not a theocracy, but we are a Christian nation. For example, when the original colonies were formed, the Articles of Confederation always referred to the King of England as the “Defender of the Faith” and typically began with something like this:

Whereas we all came into these parts of America with one and the same end and aim, namely, to advance the Kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ and to enjoy the liberties of the Gospel in purity with peace;

Nothing about Allah or Mohammed, and no mention of Allah in the Magna Carta, or any of the inspirational documents upon which our foundations ultimately rest.

When we declared our Independence from England our Christian roots were not severed, nor did we renounce Christianity. Christianity is inextricable from our history and institutions. That does not mean that one must be a Christian to live here and flourish – thanks to the blessings of liberty provided by the founders. You are “free” to worship as you chooses (or not) but one cannot rewrite history and pretend that Islam has anything to do with it, and not expect to be renounced as a fool at best, or worse, a liar practicing in deceit.

Buy Danish on June 4, 2009 at 6:31 PM

chooses=choose

Buy Danish on June 4, 2009 at 6:32 PM

I suppose the 3,000 dead civilians overreacted too? Did those on the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania overreact also? They caused the plane to crash so those Holy Warriors of Mohammad could not complete their mission from Allah. How inconsiderate of them.

MB4 on June 4, 2009 at 1:40 PM

And had UAL 93 not been derailed by some very brave Americans, President Present might have been toast when the plane hit the Capitol [its intended target].

Assuming he was there and not voting present…..

This speech today made me absolutely ill. And when you follow that with AG Holder’s statement about protecting American Muslims, well, made me even sicker.

WTH do we do now? I feel like I’m watching someone I love die a slow painful death. I don’t know if I have the stamina to deal with the destruction of my county.

koz on June 4, 2009 at 6:40 PM

I guess Obama’s going to proclaim 9/11 as “Dead Misunderstood Martyr Day”
We Jews need to be scared shiteless by this bizarre POS. It took a while for us to hate Carter’s guts (he got a huge amount of Jewish support in 1976), but he lost most of that to Reagan by 1980.
Bush was just being stupid old nice-guy Bush when he went on about the “Religion of Peace” But this miserable SOB knows exactly what Islam is all about, and he likes it.
He must have gotten the gold star in Indonesia.

TexasJew on June 4, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Wowee. I thought I was hard on Obama’s speech. I just heard Krauthammer and he was livid about the moral equivalency! And he’s right. Obama coddles Iran and disses the two democracies in the Middle East–Israel and Iraq.

Where is all this leading? I hope I’m wrong and Obama knows the Arabs and they will stop the spread of Hezbollah and become more moderate.

Obama pretty much abandoned Israel today.

petunia on June 4, 2009 at 6:50 PM

I love how Ahmadinejad is demanding an apology from the United States for all the “crimes” we have committed to Iran. Obama has already acknowledged our involved in the 1953 coup against their elected President, I would think that is enough. Plus if he wants a formal apology from us in order to move forward, which would be in both our best interests, how about they formally apologize to us for all their sponsored terrorists acts in the past such as the 1983 bombing in Beirut or all the hijacking or how about the countless numbers of hostages abducted and murdered. The fact that Obama is willing to look past these events done to us should be enough of an apology. If only the rhetoric from Ahmadinejad was toned down, we could move forward with Iran and start to accept the fact the only move either of us have is to forget the past.

jimsarr on June 4, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Ha! TOTUS quips: Big Guy is has made it hip to be a MINO (Muslim in Name Only).

Buy Danish on June 4, 2009 at 6:58 PM

With Obama you gotta remember what comes out of his mouth for the sake of soundbites and what he creates as policy are two different things.

Gotta take everything he said with a grain of salt cause I’d guess he had Rahm write up anything pro-israel

Rbastid on June 4, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Interesting how Obama quotes John Adams:

In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second president, John Adams, wrote:

“The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims.”

but not his son John Quincy Adams:

In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust, by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.

Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extinction of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. It is, indeed, amongst the mysterious dealings of God, that this delusion should have been suffered for so many ages, and during so many generations of human kind, to prevail over the doctrines of the meek and peaceful and benevolent Jesus (Blunt, 1830, 29:269, capitals in orig.).

Disturb the Universe on June 4, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Moreover, the sweeping change brought by modernity and globalization led many Muslims to view the West as hostile to the traditions of Islam.

Moreover, the sweeping change brought by socialism and appeasement are leading many Americans to view the Obama administration as hostile to the traditions of the United States.

Disturb the Universe on June 4, 2009 at 7:18 PM

So the chef makes great milk toast. Red or Blue, it is still milk toast.

Limerick on June 4, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Why he insists on gratuitously provocative comparisons like that knowing how the left will use them to make Republicans squirm is beyond me

So, you do think that Obama is not trying to change the U.S.A. into a leftist state?

Johan Klaus on June 4, 2009 at 7:36 PM

If a President we trusted had made this speech, we’d have called it weak in important areas.

But we expect little good from Obama, and much bad, and as such this speech was a bit reassuring.

He exceeded very low expectations.

Now, fundamentally, the devil is in the details. I’m not particularly unhappy that he called out Israel on settlement construction, but I expect to see some quiet backtracking on the definition thereof.

JEM on June 4, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Obama tossed Israel under the bus, he just gave her a shot of novacaine before he did.

TexJew: I am still amazed so many American Jews voted for this putz!

Driefromseattle on June 4, 2009 at 7:51 PM

It,s plain to see Mr.Morrissey we did not see the same speech.

thmcbb on June 4, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Johan Klaus on June 4, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Wrong thread, dude.

Jaibones on June 4, 2009 at 8:01 PM

He goes to Cairo and throws the Israelis and the US under the bus. This is a truly wretched little turd. Carter 2.0. I’m going to enjoy watching this dirtbag go down.

elduende on June 4, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Obama will never ever ever ever ever do anything that will please you all so what is the point of getting stressed out about it on Hot Air?

Wish him dead or ill will somehow, call his wife whatever misogynist name you want, and move on with your lives. Go to some tea parties, run for political office, don’t pay your taxes, but dayum!

There is no reason this should have gotten so many post.

Magnus on June 4, 2009 at 8:22 PM

A speech too weak for his own people and not strong enough for the “Muslim world”, so it seems to be another typical treacley wash, like all of his “historical” speechifying.

Barry tries to pander (with fatuous happytalk inaccuracies about the glories of classical Islam) to those who find his apostasy disgusting and untrustworthy, while he fails to stand up for the greatness of his own land and people and Judeo-Christian values that have kept the world from succumbing to Nazi-ism, Communism, Fascism, and, lately nihilistic socialist (EU style Red Brigade-ism, etc.) anarchy and Jihadism.

Hard to tapdance effectively in sand, I guess.

profitsbeard on June 4, 2009 at 8:25 PM

They hate the Jews, because they want to. They hate Americans because they want to. Telling them to straighten up and fly right is not going to change that.
Terrye on June 4, 2009 at 5:07 PM

No, they hate the Jews because they invaded their homeland and have since waged a holy war against them.

Why doesn’t anyone call Israel’s war against it’s long time inhabitant’s what it is? It is a holy war no different than the holy war the Muslim’s are waging against us because or our support for Israel’s war against them.

Both Muslim and Jew deserve to live, but neither deserves our money and troops. No more Middle East wars.

True_King on June 4, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Sorry, I didn’t mean to have my whole post be a link.

onlineanalyst on June 4, 2009 at 8:40 PM

True_King on June 4, 2009 at 8:26 PM

You’re kidding right? I must have missed that nasty Jewish invasion force that laid siege to Tel Aviv.

I wonder what the Jewish and Christian inhabitants of the Levant thought of the Arab Muslim invasions of the 640s-660s AD.

Don’t you fret about our money and troops going over there for long. Pretty soon barry will have all our money and we won’t have any troops.

elduende on June 4, 2009 at 8:45 PM

Robert Spencer reporting -

New Obama Oath of Office!

“And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.” — Barack Obama, Cairo, June 4, 2009

So here’s the new and improved Presidential Oath of Office:

“I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear. So help me Allah.”

MB4 on June 4, 2009 at 8:49 PM

TruefuKingidiot @8:26

You are the empty headed c*nt that Obama is reaching out to. Just cut Israels throat for Islam and there can be peace, f*ck you.

BL@KBIRD on June 4, 2009 at 9:00 PM

When did we lose Captain Ed?

THE CHOSEN ONE on June 4, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Ed, you are worrying me.

leftnomore on June 4, 2009 at 9:16 PM

To the extent He said that a world order that elevates one nation above another will fail – it may be PC to say that, but it is dead wrong. A world order that fails to elevate the successful societies is just as doomed as any nation that commits itself to pure democracy.

The have-nots will help themselves to the “goodies” of the “lucky” haves. Of course, that’s Obama’s hopenchange message for America, so He probably does believe it’s true for the World, too. Won’t matter much – when He’s through with this country, we won’t be in position to elevate ourselves anyway. (Another part of His plan.)

ManUFan on June 4, 2009 at 9:19 PM

True_King on June 4, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Bawhahahahahahahahahahaha….

Spoken like a true master of history. You might want to read something other than DC Comics.

Limerick on June 4, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Sorry Ed but you are out in “left” field on this. Obama is a dangerous man in the world arena and you will see American cities cremated and our world power squandered because of him. He won’t acknowledge the elephants in the room and apparently you won’t either.

wepeople on June 4, 2009 at 9:45 PM

When is our Secretary of State going to give a speech to the muslim world?

Ronnie on June 4, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Aslans Girl on June 4, 2009 at 6:25 PM

I agree.

INC on June 4, 2009 at 10:26 PM

I think we have the potential for a “win/win” here. Make Barry the head of the U.N. He really prefers a more “global role,” anyway.

Then we can dump our U.N. membership.

Star20 on June 4, 2009 at 10:26 PM

“Obama’s Cairo speech: Surprisingly good”

Not.

awake on June 4, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Ed, what in the world is causing you to write utter nonsense?

Obama’s speech was a terribly misconceived package. Obama rejects American exceptionalism. Obama criticizes America for having removed a murderous dictator from power who was financing terrorist suicide bombers and who was intent on stockpiling WMDs and for moving the Iraqi people to adopting a secular democracy. Obama gave the impression that America engage in torture. Obama attacks Israel and engages in moral equivalence when there can be none to the Holocaust. Obama’s pandering words are ridiculously wrong in terms of history.

Obama is going to cause this country and Israel to reap a whirlwind of destruction.

Phil Byler on June 4, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Your idea clicked a flow that was obviously not explaining your own thought.
maverick muse on June 4, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Thank you for your response.
I see your point now and appreciate your view especially concerning “the country club ” Republicans.

I read this earlier up top and felt like your post was on target when concerning this unbelievable failure from Republicans to go after the democrats on spending:

[Veronique de Rugy]
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWMwNmNjY2FkYzY4Y2M5MmNmODI0ZDgwN2RjMDQ0ZWQ=

According to this Yahoo News piece:

Responding to a challenge from President Barack Obama, House GOP leaders are offering up a roster of more than $23 billion in spending cuts over the next five years.

Reading this,it appears the Republicans on the Hill don’t think the democrats have large enough majorities so they are doing everything they can to increase them.

Baxter Greene on June 4, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Guess if you can’t beat ‘em…join ‘em.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 4, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Good point. Obama the Assimilator. Whatever works to achieve his own agenda, including emulating the maligned Bush. Obama is the equal-opportunist abuser, designated “cool”. He can say, do, wear the same as his supposed nemesis Bush.

maverick muse on June 4, 2009 at 5:33 PM

I think the democrats refer to this as being “pragmatic”.

So many “Impeachment” bumper stickers and shirts and nobody to sell them to now.

Baxter Greene on June 4, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Israel now knows it must go it alone and time is running out. And just how did this “surprising good” speech help the peace process? What say you Sen. Lieberman?

diogenes on June 4, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Obama’s Cairo speech: Surprisingly good

I thought you would be better at deciphering Obamaspeak by now. His philosophy of “common ground” is totally deceptive. Have we forgotten what that looks like on the abortion issue? Obama will support radical Muslim dress in America. Does that means women can get drivers licenses with total head gear?

Ideas have consequences and as soon as we realize that President Obama’s ideas will lead to some version of Totalitarianism the sooner we get forget this nonsense that Israel has an ally in Obama and that Liberalism is compatible with Christianity.

Blue Collar Todd on June 4, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Disturb the Universe on June 4, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Wow. Profound stuff. Maybe someone who Obama allows to interview him will ask him what he thinks about that. Hehe.

Buddahpundit on June 4, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Why doesn’t anyone call Israel’s war against it’s long time inhabitant’s what it is? It is a holy war no different than the holy war the Muslim’s are waging against us…

True_King on June 4, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Wow. What a delusional nitwit. Go back to FireDogUrinal; they need you.

Jaibones on June 5, 2009 at 12:22 AM

Closing thought is the same as earlier. Did Allah put you up to this, Ed? You have staked out a position three clicks to his left.

Jaibones on June 5, 2009 at 12:23 AM

I came back here today as Hot Air is set as my homepage and I still can’t get over this title. Ed, when you’re given a crap sandwich, do you take a bite and then proclaim it also “surpisingly good”? This is calling evil good, plain and simple.

Robert Spencer at Jihad Watch really does a GREAT job deciphering this load of Obama garbage today. Maybe I’ll make that my new homepage… that or Pamela Geller’s Atlas Shrugged, which I’ve been considering for awhile.

I haven’t been this disgusted since HA gleefully helped ruin Fred!’s campaign (I know, I know, he didn’t run a good one but that doesn’t excuse HA’s contribution). Or when HA acted like wimps over Ann Coulter’s joke about Edwards.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on June 5, 2009 at 1:14 AM

The speech was way better than I expected, way better.

I don’t know if it represented what Obama really feels about the Islamic world in terms of women’s rights, freedom of religion, and Israel’s right to exist, but it was not a Rah Rah Islam speech either.

Those who thought it was haven’t read it. I did not expect him to say “you’re a buncha snivelly neanderthals” but he did call the Holocaust denying leaders “ignorant and hateful”. I suspect those are strong words, calling muslim leaders ignorant will not be seen as complentary in Iran or Saudi.

I’d have prefered a “snivelly neanderthal” speech, but that would have helped nothing and this speech may have planted a few seeds in the minds of more receptive muslims…insults would have just made them more determined to be violent and more united. You never hear the words of people who yell at you or demean you, you just get pissed.

clnurnberg on June 5, 2009 at 1:28 AM

ricer1 on June 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM

To clarify:

“The case [you referenced] was not a church-state separation case, but dealt rather on whether an alien labor law passed by Congress in 1887 referred to only manual labor and not professional or skilled labor. In the non-legally binding “Obiter dictum” or “footnote” section, Justice Brewer went off on a tangent and wrote a completely unrelated discourse on religion and this nation: “These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of utterances that this is a Christian nation.”

This case is frequently cited by organizations seeking to amend the Constitution to include an endorsement of Christianity. To correct this misinterpretation, Justice Brewer himself wrote a book in 1905 to correct the record, titled “The United States; A Christian Nation.” He explains:

“But in what sense can (the United States) be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or that people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that ‘congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.’ Neither is it Christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in face or in name Christians. On the contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all.”
Justice Brewer continued:

“…Nor is it (the United States) Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact, the government as a legal organization is independent of all religions.”
Whatever his ideas about the United States as a Christian nation may have been, that did not include any official endorsement or special status for religion by government, and this position is reflected in other legal decisions he made. “

EarthToZoey on June 5, 2009 at 1:30 AM

“Obama’s Cairo speech: Surprisingly good”???? WTF? Ed-This is why I dont pay much attention to you or HOTAIR anymore…and then there’s that Allahdude…always gulping. You’re a bunch of girly men.

bard on June 5, 2009 at 1:51 AM

Even if you thought his speech was good, what will it get us? I am doubtful we will get anything from it.

Mark
http://mark24609.blogspot.com/2009/06/obamas-message-to-islam.html

mark24609 on June 5, 2009 at 1:51 AM

Does Obama think he is some kind of Pharaoh? I think he does. His lips have already been embalmed, they are purple.

Geochelone on June 5, 2009 at 3:01 AM

You forgot to mention that Robert Spencer tore Obama a new one for that crappy speech.

Tim Burton on June 5, 2009 at 3:08 AM

clnurnberg on June 5, 2009 at 1:28 AM

How ’bout no speech at all, then? Esp. if it was going this garbage? Why did he need to give this speech anyway?

With each passing day, and today especially after this speech, I wonder more and more if he’s the AC…

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on June 5, 2009 at 3:12 AM

Did it work? Schneider says it only received light applause at the end, so perhaps Obama told a few too many hard truths for Egyptian tastes

Maybe they are just smart enough to see how much of it was “BS”. Maybe they were just trying to get their hip waders pulled up higher in the sea of BS his majesty was spewing.

N4646W on June 5, 2009 at 3:35 AM

Tiller was “murdered”, 6 million Jews were “killed”.

That’s some great speach.

Aristotle on June 5, 2009 at 4:27 AM

Aristotle, just when I think I can’t feel any more dismayed and sick, this kind of thing spews out of mouth. And the rest of the quote, something about “this religion deserves peace”: what have they done to deserve anything? Except contempt, of course.

The mask slipped substantially today. I pray that my fellow Americans were paying attn. They did not mean to vote for an anti-Israel, Muslim-apologist, Marxist.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on June 5, 2009 at 4:46 AM

How long before sharia law comes to USA? Any takers/

ErinF on June 5, 2009 at 6:37 AM

Unlike Morrissey, Andrew McCarthy was not taken in by the stupid, dishonest, counter productive speech.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTBkYjRmMzI4MmI3NTRkMzIwYzU0NDhkNzk2NTBlZmU=

Basilsbest on June 5, 2009 at 6:53 AM

The mask slipped substantially today. I pray that my fellow Americans were paying attn.

I wouldn’t count on it. Americans are still comatose.

ErinF on June 5, 2009 at 7:08 AM

I don’t hate all Muslims because of 9/11. I hate Islam itself because it is a warrior religion created by a plagiarist warlord who raised his tribe’s Moon god above all others, not because he actually believed that shite but because it helped him gain great wealth and power. I hate Islam because it divides the world into Islam and the enemy. I hate Islam because it is the only monotheistic religion that promotes slavery. I hate Islam because its followers are more upset over cartoon images of a 7th century warlord than they are about poison gas attacks on school girls executed by religious zealots. I hate Islam because I saw Muslims dancing in the street after 9/11. I hate Islam because it is the primary source of all violence and war in this decade. I hate Islam because it is backward. Give me one bullet and a time machine and I would choose Mohammed over Hitler as my target. After all, we defeated Hitler. The jury is still out on Mohammed.

fleiter on June 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM

I figured out why Ed used “suprisingly good” in the title of this thread…
It was a bet with Allah… how many posters would disagree and how many total…
Allah: I can generate a thousand with a Palin thread…
Ed: Oh yea…I can get that with “0′S” speach in cairO…
Allah: yea right…
Ed: wanna bet?

the rest is history…sorry Ed…;)

jerrytbg on June 5, 2009 at 8:04 AM

Obama’s Cairo speech: Surprisingly good

Evidently this site has surrendered to the left,SAD.

apoole on June 5, 2009 at 8:24 AM

How long before sharia law comes to USA? Any takers/

ErinF on June 5, 2009 at 6:37 AM

Sharia law is surprisingly good. -HA

redrock on June 5, 2009 at 8:44 AM

Obama’s Cairo speech: Surprisingly good

I expect it was if you were expecting total capitulation.
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philly_PA on June 5, 2009 at 8:45 AM

If I were Israel, I’d read the speech to be a dear john letter and would make my own plans for Iran. Which may be exactly what our slippery Mr Obama wants.

dhimwit on June 5, 2009 at 8:47 AM

“I have a hope for the people of Muslim countries. Your commitments to morality, and learning, and tolerance led to great historical achievements. And those values are alive in the Islamic world today. You have a rich culture, and you share the aspirations of men and women in every culture. Prosperity and freedom and dignity are not just American hopes, or Western hopes. They are universal, human hopes. And even in the violence and turmoil of the Middle East, America believes those hopes have the power to transform lives and nations.”

–President Obama? Nope. President George W. Bush

James on June 5, 2009 at 8:50 AM

Obama is Cater on Steroids.

OT: Cheney is more popular than Pelosi. Its on Drudge. I find this fact so amusing. Darth Vader Cheney is more loved than the wretched lying Pelosi. Be sure to tell all the lib miscreants.

Anyone notice that many libs don’t seem to be comfortable in their own skin of late. Many are not very happy about Barry. They sense he is a fraud and an embarrassment.

Geochelone on June 5, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Obama’s Cairo speech: Surprisingly good

Evidently this site has surrendered to the left,SAD.

apoole on June 5, 2009 at 8:24 AM

Not all of us thought it was surprisingly good. Quite the opposite, in my case. I like that speech less every time I read an excerpt from it. Obama’s speeches tend to become dramatically worse over time, even to his worshippers. If you want to rip an Obama speech, it helps to wait a couple of hours, to let it really curdle in your ears.

As to surrendering to the Left: Nuts.

Doctor Zero on June 5, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Ed, please read Robert Spencer’s VERY long essay/Fisking of Obama’s speech.

Platitudes and naivete: Obama’s Cairo speech

{^_^} Summary – he thought it was destructive trash.

herself on June 5, 2009 at 9:09 AM

I think it is very telling that there are a lot of Trolls missing in action from this website. Some have been banned. Some are probably working. And the rest are just too embarrassed to try to defend Obama any more.

kingsjester on June 5, 2009 at 9:10 AM

America and its ideals just got sold out to the Islamofascists. When they listened to obama, they concluded that jihad against the West,democracy and America, which culminated on 9/11, worked. America got scared and decided to play nice, elected a Hussein and is sending him all over the globe to apologize for its misguided ways.

runner on June 5, 2009 at 10:21 AM

EarthToZoey on June 5, 2009 at 1:30 AM

To correct your attempt at clarification:

Justice Brewer wasn’t on the bench when US v. Macintosh was given. I was quoting a 1931 US Supreme Court Opinion, United States v. Macintosh, 283 U.S. 605.

It was Justice Southerland that made the statement, “We are a Christian people“, and he referenced the Holy Trinity case as a footnote.

Do you have a cite from atheists.org that discusses the Macintosh decision too? I’d like to read it (and am sincere in my interest). But you have to ignore a huge amount of the founders writings and emphasize only one deist’s writings (Jefferson) to make your case stand. (And there is reason to beleive that at the last portion of his life that he may have shed his earlier deist thinking.)

ricer1 on June 5, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Krauthammer did an excellent job of pointing out that, in his foreign policy as well as his domestic negotiating, Obama’s high principles apply only to those he favors politically. In the Middle East scenario, the Muslims are the UAW and Israel are the “greedy speculators.”

Hope the American Jews who supported him are getting a good look at what they bought.

evergreen on June 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM

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