Shhhh: Support for torture of terrorists up 14 points since 2005

posted at 9:20 pm on June 3, 2009 by Allahpundit

It takes the AP fully 15 paragraphs to inform us of this, with priority given to the monthly Obama job-approval check and navel-gazing quotes from citizens about whether we’re safer than we were under Bush. They’re having a big day today, aren’t they?

I know it sounds crazy but sometimes I can’t shake the feeling that the media’s helping to push Obama’s agenda.

Some 52 percent of people say torture can be at least sometimes justified to obtain information about terrorist activities from suspects, an increase from 38 percent in 2005 when the AP last asked the question. More than two-thirds of Republicans say torture can be justified compared with just over a third of Democrats.

On Obama’s plan to close the Guantanamo prison, 47 percent approve, while 47 percent disapprove. Again, the country is divided on partisan lines, with most Republicans disapproving and most Democrats approving. Independents are evenly divided.

Despite the president’s safety assurances, more than half of Americans say they would be worried about the chance of terrorism suspects escaping from U.S. high-security prisons. Yet again, more Republicans express concern than Democrats. Still, the figures indicate that the GOP-fueled fear may be resonating.

Exit question: Dude?


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Torture is sooooo 2008. Now the only thing libs care about is gay marraige. Try to keep up.

Speedwagon82 on June 3, 2009 at 9:21 PM

Torture is sooooo 2008. Now the only thing libs care about is gay marraige. Try to keep up.

Speedwagon82 on June 3, 2009 at 9:21 PM

Aw man, I just got a new Iron Maiden too.

faol on June 3, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Torture is sooooo 2008. Now the only thing libs care about is gay marraige. Try to keep up.

Speedwagon82 on June 3, 2009 at 9:21 PM

Hahaha

All they care about it forcing gay marriage down the throat of America.

Upstater85 on June 3, 2009 at 9:26 PM

The sudden re-emergence on the political scene of former Vice President Dick Cheney is somewhat puzzling. Why would a man who has occupied positions of authority in Congress and the White House, been a success in business, and has a wife who works outside the home want to re-enter the arena when he didn’t have to? Could it be that he is testing the waters for a 2012 run for the Republican presidential nomination?

I’m thinking he’s defending his positions AND he might want to help his daughter out.

Upstater85 on June 3, 2009 at 9:29 PM

I’m thinking he’s defending his positions AND he might want to help his daughter out.

Upstater85 on June 3, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Yeah, I think his daughter Liz wants 2 run for something. She’s a smart cookie.

terryannonline on June 3, 2009 at 9:31 PM

I am so confused about how high the approvals are for so many positions held by Republicans and opposed by Obama and Democrats, yet Obama’s personal ratings remain so high and Republican Party identification remains so low.

Cognitive dissonance overload.

Loxodonta on June 3, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Yeah, I think his daughter Liz wants 2 run for something. She’s a smart cookie.

terryannonline on June 3, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Probably not President (although she’s not necessarily unqualified). I’m thinking Senator or Congresswoman.

Upstater85 on June 3, 2009 at 9:34 PM

I am so confused about how high the approvals are for so many positions held by Republicans and opposed by Obama and Democrats, yet Obama’s personal ratings remain so high and Republican Party identification remains so low.

Cognitive dissonance overload.

Loxodonta on June 3, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Yeah, good point.

Perhaps Obama comes across as charismatic (unlike many of his D colleagues)

I think the Republican identification problem comes from lack of ideas (or at least the appearance of LACK)

Upstater85 on June 3, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Cognitive dissonance overload.

Loxodonta on June 3, 2009 at 9:33 PM

The success of George Soros. Conservatives really need a counterpart to Soros.

Clearly being right is not enough. PR skill is also important.

petunia on June 3, 2009 at 9:37 PM

OT (slightly)…Kimberly Guilfoyle is chewing Juan Williams up on Hannity. (Not that it’s hard to do, but she did it so well).

Obama’s numbers will go down once people realize that people like Obama and Sharpton and Sotomayor will always consider them racists no matter what. They will have no reason to prop him up due to his skin color.

SouthernGent on June 3, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Thus proving America is a downright mean country.

You think you can beat these people? Think again.

LibTired (KO) on June 3, 2009 at 9:38 PM

The success of George Soros. Conservatives really need a counterpart to Soros.

Clearly being right is not enough. PR skill is also important.

petunia on June 3, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Yeah, I’m not convinced that the right needs or should have a Soros… that said, PR skills are important. The GOP saw this with MacDaddy.

Upstater85 on June 3, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Public support for torture doesn’t make it any less wrong.

Rae on June 3, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Loxodonta on June 3, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Because he is a historic candidate. Have you ever noticed that even when he is criticized it is prefaced with how smart he is, how cool he is or his great disposition. Our PC world will not let him personally be criticized, so even those who are starting to be truly frightened by his policies have to temper their remarks. It’s stupid. I think he is a first class (at best) fraud in every aspect.

Cindy Munford on June 3, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Public support for torture doesn’t make it any less wrong.

Rae on June 3, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Publics support varies because no one agrees on what torture is.

Cindy Munford on June 3, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Public support for torture doesn’t make it any less wrong.

Rae on June 3, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Yeah… just like Government Support for late term abortions don’t make them any less appalling.

Upstater85 on June 3, 2009 at 9:43 PM

I am so confused about how high the approvals are for so many positions held by Republicans and opposed by Obama and Democrats, yet Obama’s personal ratings remain so high and Republican Party identification remains so low.

Cognitive dissonance overload.

Loxodonta on June 3, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Let’s see how the speech goes tomorrow to see if he’s still dumping on us. By Labor Day, I’m betting that we’ll have had a long summer of periodic domestic-terror attacks, spiking gas prices, rising unemployment, rising foreclosure rates, languishing prospects for recovery, and a realization that a federal government full of pinheads aren’t who we want running the show in the banking industry, the auto industry, the energy industry, and more.

Just wait.

BuckeyeSam on June 3, 2009 at 9:43 PM

I know it sounds crazy but sometimes I can’t shake the feeling that the media’s helping to push Obama’s agenda.

Nah! You telling me the fourth estate is a bunch of whores for The One? I’m shocked! Shocked and appalled!

GarandFan on June 3, 2009 at 9:44 PM

Let’s see how the speech goes tomorrow to see if he’s still dumping on us. By Labor Day, I’m betting that we’ll have had a long summer of periodic domestic-terror attacks, spiking gas prices, rising unemployment, rising foreclosure rates, languishing prospects for recovery, and a realization that a federal government full of pinheads aren’t who we want running the show in the banking industry, the auto industry, the energy industry, and more.

Just wait.

BuckeyeSam on June 3, 2009 at 9:43 PM

You really think Obama’s brothers will be coming to town?

Upstater85 on June 3, 2009 at 9:46 PM

I am so confused about how high the approvals are for so many positions held by Republicans and opposed by Obama and Democrats, yet Obama’s personal ratings remain so high and Republican Party identification remains so low.

Cognitive dissonance overload.

Loxodonta on June 3, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Public schools

Gotta love them

CWforFreedom on June 3, 2009 at 9:46 PM

‘member the song by Bananarama “Cruel Summer” from the 80′s?

cue it up….

..leaving me here on my own, it’s a cruel, cruel summer…

ted c on June 3, 2009 at 9:46 PM

I know it sounds crazy but sometimes I can’t shake the feeling that the media’s helping to push Obama’s agenda.

Take off the tin foil hat before you watch for black helicopters. Or something like that.

Daggett on June 3, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Yeah… just like Government Support for late term abortions don’t make them any less appalling.

Upstater85 on June 3, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Exactly.

Rae on June 3, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Loxodonta on June 3, 2009 at 9:33 PM

It’s because Obama is a rockstar and because Republican Party leadership makes Clouseau look competent.

OneGyT on June 3, 2009 at 9:47 PM

Rae on June 3, 2009 at 9:46 PM

What I’d be interested in, is if in fact they are OK with Torture or EIT…

Upstater85 on June 3, 2009 at 9:49 PM

It’s because Obama is a rockstar and because Republican Party leadership makes Clouseau look competent.

OneGyT on June 3, 2009 at 9:47 PM

Yep, you nailed it.

Upstater85 on June 3, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Loxodonta on June 3, 2009 at 9:33 PM

I ax myself that question often.

angryed on June 3, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Public support for torture doesn’t make it any less wrong.

Rae on June 3, 2009 at 9:40 PM

If loving it is wrong I don’t want to be right.
Seriously, our torture methods pale in comparison. When you come out missing digits and brain matter thats torture.

faol on June 3, 2009 at 9:52 PM

So approval of “some torture” (nice addition of the ambiguous “some”) has gained 15 points since 2005 – yet we suspended much of the so-called “torture” since 2003…

Issues have nothing over dialogue.

Perfect example.

Its why I also think referring to “what would they have said if Bush” is a useless exercise in nothing. Its in the past and short term – is a crutch that will never be used to change the current dialogue of “opinions” about Republicans and conservatives.

Odie1941 on June 3, 2009 at 9:53 PM

I have always loved Chaney. I support the Chaney/Limbaugh Ticket. Let’s kick ass.

suzyk on June 3, 2009 at 9:57 PM

Cheney/Cheney 2012

Since the American people seem to be suffering from ADD and are looking for the next new thing that’s never been done…
How would a father/daughter team in the WH suit them?

katy on June 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM

You really think Obama’s brothers will be coming to town?

Upstater85 on June 3, 2009 at 9:46 PM

The knuckleheads in NYC and the sniper in Arkansas. Look the porous Mexican border.

BuckeyeSam on June 3, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Public support for torture O’bama doesn’t make it any less wrong.

Rae on June 3, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Fixed!

Del Dolemonte on June 3, 2009 at 10:01 PM

This gives the game away:

‘For all the out-of-power GOP’s angst, the poll found one bright spot for it: More people identified themselves as Republican than did last month, 23 percent to 18 percent.’

Bogus poll. There’s no way the country is only 23% Republican, much less 18% (and party ID doesn’t change 5 percentage points in one month). Compare that to the party breakdown in the last election and you’ll realize they are manufacturing these polls to push an agenda.

blue13326 on June 3, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Upstater85 on June 3, 2009 at 9:36 PM
Obama comes across as charismatic

petunia on June 3, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Clearly being right is not enough. PR skill is also important.

Cindy Munford on June 3, 2009 at 9:40 PM
Our PC world will not let him personally be criticized

Thanks. I think each of you makes very good points. Yet, I’m still feeling there is something deeper going on, almost like some psychological disorder that has swept the country. It reminds me of adolescents who do things because they’re popular or feel good, even though they’re also incredibly risky or even certain to cause damage.

Loxodonta on June 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Still, the figures indicate that the GOP-fueled fear may be resonating.

Absolutely breathtaking partisan hackery.

Purple Fury on June 3, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Witness the dawn of the “New America.”

“Excuse me, Sir, but we understand that you have brought two hundred pounds of anthrax into the United States and have it hidden in numerous cities. Is there anything you can tell us about it? No? OK, well, here’s my card. If you think of anything, please give us a call.” Care for more coffee?

Star20 on June 3, 2009 at 10:10 PM

I read on drudge today that Al Queda chopped off the head of some Brit in the African continent. He has been a hostage for some time. Don’t talk to me about moral outrage with torture when they relish chopping people’s heads off.

karenhasfreedom on June 3, 2009 at 10:12 PM

read on drudge today that Al Queda chopped off the head of some Brit in the African continent. He has been a hostage for some time. Don’t talk to me about moral outrage with torture when they relish chopping people’s heads off.

karenhasfreedom on June 3, 2009 at 10:12 PM

I missed that item on the news shows today. Must not have been a baby killer.

faol on June 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM

karenhasfreedom,

The impression I have gotten is that it would be MUCH worse to be waterboarded.

Star20 on June 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM

I know it sounds crazy but sometimes I can’t shake the feeling that the media’s helping to push Obama’s agenda.

Where have you been? Open your eyes.

Travis1 on June 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jun/03/edwin-dyer-hostage-killed-al-qaida

Link of British manned murdered by Al Queda. Waterboard, shmaterboard. Find these pigs and kill them all!!!!

karenhasfreedom on June 3, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Whoopsie, man, not manned. Sorry, but this is upsetting.

karenhasfreedom on June 3, 2009 at 10:20 PM

I wonder how much support there would be for it if it was called for what it actually is, enhanced interrogation.

There’s a legitimate difference. And don’t just take my word for it. Ask any of those Gitmo prisoners that we send to countries like Jordan.

DarkKnight3565 on June 3, 2009 at 10:22 PM

DarkKnight3565 on June 3, 2009 at 10:22 PM

Gitmo is like Clubmed compared to a Jordanian prison.

faol on June 3, 2009 at 10:24 PM

where is satanlet to show us the moral high ground, post an inane poll, make a idiotic pop culture refrence and finish her intellectually vacuous post with a

;)

daesleeper on June 3, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Propoganda works, even on the supposed government watchdog conservatives.

True_King on June 3, 2009 at 10:37 PM

If that many people agree with torture, then waterboarding is a given.

Fighton03 on June 3, 2009 at 10:55 PM

What I’d be interested in, is if in fact they are OK with Torture or EIT…

Upstater85 on June 3, 2009 at 9:49 PM

yeah…let’s ask how many people think it would be criminal to dunk their younger sibling without notice in the swimming pool.

Fighton03 on June 3, 2009 at 11:01 PM

GOP-fueled fear

f**k off, AP.

no, not you, allah. ;-)

homesickamerican on June 3, 2009 at 11:10 PM

Exit question: Dude?

Cheney for President?
YES SIR! Lynne Cheney, that is…

R D on June 3, 2009 at 11:56 PM

Exit question: Dude?

Cheney for President?
YES SIR! Lynne Cheney, that is…

R D on June 3, 2009 at 11:56 PM

Oh, just to be clear, Darth Dader would be controlling his dear daughter. Bawwwaaahhhhahaa!!

R D on June 4, 2009 at 12:00 AM

… the GOP-fueled fear may be resonating.

This quote should be shouted in the fields and in the streets. People who make the reasoned judgement that there is danger will take righteous offense at being told that their concern is the result of right-wing indoctrination. They may even start to realize that the media is, as Rush says, a Drive-By Media, shooting the place up and then running away before they can be held responsible.

It’s time to hold them responsible.

njcommuter on June 4, 2009 at 12:24 AM

I think it’s just that having a senior figure in the GOP, like Cheney, actually come out and make strong unambiguous statements is allowing the wavering “squishies” to find their voices (not to mention spines). Honestly, look at all the people running away from the GOP brand in the last six months. Doesn’t exactly shore up the base, does it?
So we lost an election. Get over it, stop quivering, and mark your lines in the sand now. Faint heart never won fair congressional seat.

Fortunata on June 4, 2009 at 12:32 AM

Can it be called torture if you have empathy and compassion?

heshtesh on June 4, 2009 at 1:03 AM

Reading the AP is Torture.

HondaV65 on June 4, 2009 at 6:06 AM

see, all we need is someone to speak up. on any issue. it could be mr. balls, dick cheney, or it could be any republican official.

all they have to do is speak up rather than roll over. is that too tough for them? well, their elections are in 2010, too. lest they forget.

kelley in virginia on June 4, 2009 at 8:09 AM

Why would Cheney enter the public arena? Perhaps the DoJ and various Obama officials and democraps calling for them to be locked up for ‘torturing’ enemy combatants? Perhaps the unwise release of our interrogation techniques and the failure to release memos on the lives these techniques saved?
I know that sounds crazy, I mean why would anyone want to defend themselves or their record of eight years without any further successful terrorist attack on our soil? Didn’t Cheney get the message that he must meekly go to jail for crimes against the democrap establishment? How dare he embarrass Nancy Peelousy and other democraps with the truth?

eaglewingz08 on June 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Despite the president’s safety assurances, more than half of Americans say they would be worried about the chance of terrorism suspects escaping from U.S. high-security prisons.


Not affraid they will escape, I am affraid they will be let go!

lwssdd on June 4, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Americans should not torture. Let our enemies do that. We can win without torture.

lexhamfox on June 4, 2009 at 1:01 PM