Canadian pol: Help me help Obama impose CanadaCare on US

posted at 10:55 am on June 3, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Every politician has moments when their allies do more damage to their efforts than their opponents.  Barack Obama may feel that way about Jack Layton, leader of the far-left New Democratic Party in Canada.  In an e-mail sent to followers yesterday, the NDP claims that Layton will go to Washington to help Obama achieve his real goal in health-care reform — a government-run single-system just like the one from which Canadians flee:

Dear Friend,

Today, Jack Layton flies to Washington D.C. to help President Obama in his fight for universal health care. And to fight to protect our cherished Medicare back here in Canada.

It’s an important few days, and I want you to share every step.

I’m inviting you to follow along on twitter as Jack delivers his speech on our fight for Medicare at the Woodrow Wilson Center. And as we meet with key Obama Democrats – like White House Director of Communications Anita Dunn.

Click here to follow Jack Layton on twitter.

And I’m also down in Washington to meet with key senior Democrats about how they waged a winning campaign for change that put everyday people first, ahead of the big corporate interests – just like we want to do in Canada.

You can follow me on twitter by clicking here.

While the other parties are staring each other down, playing political games, this is what your New Democrats are up to. Fighting day in and day out to get real results for real people. Thanks for being a part of it.

Brad Lavigne
National Director

Layton and the NDP both suffer from delusions of grandeur that are only possible in Canada’s multiparty system.  The NDP gets to play kingmaker whenever the Conservatives or Liberals fail to win legislative majorities.  They fit better with the Liberals for obvious reasons, but they are far too extreme to win majorities or even enough seats to front the opposition.  To put it in a pithy sense, they’re even too socialist for Canada.

On health care, this becomes very obvious.  While Canadians stream into the US to get the private coverage that they could not until just recently get in their own country, Layton and the NDP want to eliminate the private option once and for all.  Layton would love to see the US nationalize its health-care system, if for no other reason than to stop the medical tourism industry across the border.

So what does that say about Obama’s inclusion of Layton and the NDP in the health-care debate in the US?  Nothing good, which is why Obama’s first words to Layton should be, “Stop helping me!”


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What does it say that Layton’s flying in to D.C. while Obama’s flying out? Or did I misunderstand the scheduling?

cs89 on June 3, 2009 at 10:59 AM

If there are already long waits for care in Canada, stopping the medical tourism will only make those lines longer. If there is nowhere to go for private coverage, you will have no choice but to get in line and hope the government moves fast enough to save your life.

Ferris on June 3, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Jack Layton, leader of the far-left New Democratic Socialist Party in Canada.

They are so blatant. They don’t even try to hide it anymore.

portlandon on June 3, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Congressional Motors presents: The Pelosi!

http://www.polmachina.com/?p=329

iowahawk strikes again.

ranchoforte on June 3, 2009 at 11:03 AM

How many Americans have crossed the border into Canada seeking better health care?

That’s a tell.

fogw on June 3, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Zero can just say, ‘Swiper, no Swiping’ to Layton!
From toddler’s cartoon, Dora the Explorer.

Swiper is a quick, sneaky fox who tries to swipe things that Dora needs to complete her quests. When Swiper has swiped something he then hides it and it’s up to Dora, Boots and the viewer to find where it is hidden. Swiper speaks in English and can be stopped by calling out ‘Swiper, no Swiping’.

atemely on June 3, 2009 at 11:06 AM

And Chavez is worried that Obama is more to the left than he is.

Hey, let’s race to the bottom!

artist on June 3, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Number of Republicans allowed to participate in the health care commission meeting?

0

kurtzz3 on June 3, 2009 at 11:08 AM

I’m inviting you to follow along on twitter as Jack delivers his speech on our fight for Medicare at the Woodrow Wilson Center.

Paging Glenn Beck…

forest on June 3, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Can anyone enlighten me on the motivation for government health care? It seems to me that the only entities to benefit are businesses who now pay most of the expense of health insurance. If the government (that’s us) picks up the tab for that, do businesses then pocket that savings or pass it on to consumers (ha, ha). And, if the government owns healthcare what happens to medical malpractice? Currently, the costs of malpractice insurance are huge. Will the docs no longer have to carry insurance? Can you sue the government if you have a malpractice case? The current administration seems to be trying to convince us that this is to benefit the ‘millions who don’t have healthcare’. Aren’t most of them covered by Medicare at the states’ cost?

mph on June 3, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Can anyone enlighten me on the motivation for government health care?
mph

It’s the same motivation that’s behind government control of anything. The more of our lives they control, the more we will need them for basic life necessities and the more likely we are to vote for the ones in control. Simple. Once you have the people by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.

SKYFOX on June 3, 2009 at 11:16 AM

wowwwwww

blatantblue on June 3, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Obama could say I want NON-PAYED advice from Osama and the left would say it was a great Idea.

tomas on June 3, 2009 at 11:19 AM

mph on June 3, 2009 at 11:13 AM

The motivation is total and absolute control of our lives from the cradle to the grave. Under Nationalized (Socialized) Health Care, elderly people who are diagnosed with Cancer or other horrible diseases will be told to go home and die. They will be considered a poor investment of the Government’s money. We have the best Health Care System in the world. This Issue is simply about control of the American People.

kingsjester on June 3, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Be afraid of “Taliban Jack” – he wants to negotiate with the Taliban. He also backed the Chretien gov’ts decision to oppose the Iraq War when it was obvious to all that he supported it (military personnel with US and UK forces, AWACS, ships, taking over some combat duties in Afghanistan, to say nothing of the billions in war materiel produced in Canada and sold to belligerent nations). He also lives in tax-subsidized housing while he and his wife – also a politician – make handsome salaries. He’s a flim flam artist, nothing more. Obama ought to put him to shame.

KillerKane on June 3, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Why are foreigners being allowed to directly participate in shaping U.S. policy.

Hey, let’s have the Iranians help us craft gender equality, the Chinese can assist with prison reform and Zimbabwe can participate in monetary policy.

Ok Iraq, payback times a’coming; soon you will have to invade America and depose OUR dictator.

Bishop on June 3, 2009 at 11:23 AM

In an e-mail sent to followers yesterday, [...]

Followers. I love it.

That’s exactly what the sheeple are.

UltimateBob on June 3, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Of course this is OK…I mean people from Canada donated to Obama’s campaign, so why can’t they lobby too?

Go to the FEC website:

http://www.fec.gov/DisclosureSearch/mapApp.do

and search on the last name Hammersmith. You’ll see that Jerome Hammersmith of Sakskatoon, Saskatchewan made many campaign contributions. Yes He Did!

Hammertime on June 3, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Click here to follow Jack Layton on twitter.

You can follow me on twitter by clicking here.Brad Lavigne
National Director New Democratic Party in Canada

Hmm I wonder if we should all bombard his twitter with these helpful video links…Conservatives for Patients Rights.

No Canada we DO NOT want your crappy healthcare. While you visit why dont you take a look at our healthcare system,while it may not be perfect, it certainly is better than yours.

canditaylor68 on June 3, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Obama and Layton – BFF.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLJJ88HTiX8&feature=related

This from BO’s very own YouTube channel. Last year, Layton berated the Canadian PM, Stephen Harper, for alleged interference in the Democrat primaries. ON THE FLOOR OF PARLIAMENT.

So when it comes to Jack Layton, Conservatives interfering in American affairs = bad, Socialists interfering in American affairs = W00T!!!

No, friends, we can’t call Obama a socialist though. Can’t do it.

Red Cloud on June 3, 2009 at 11:39 AM

What the news does not tell you is that Jack Layton does not wait in line up here – he goes to a private clinic himself!

BTW, Ed characterizes the NDP as far left, but if you read their campaign literature and compare it to some things Obama has written it is clear that Obama is even further left.

Obama just tries harder to hide it.

batman on June 3, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Remember, it’s in Canada’s short-term interest for the States to adopt Canadian-style health care.

Why? Canadian doctors will no longer have a place to run to.

Longer term, of course, it isn’t, because Canada will no longer be able to freeride off of American R&D. (Well, we still will, but it’ll be much slower. Socialism does that.)

tigerinexile on June 3, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Why shouldn’t Canadian socialists help create our new socialized health care system? After all, millions of illegal aliens from Mexico are going to be benefitting from it (illegals comprise about 20 million of the “47 million Americans who don’t have health insurance”), so it all makes sense, does’t it?

AZCoyote on June 3, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Hammertime: this guy may be a dual citizen, in which case he can contribute to a US political party campaign.

Taliban Jack also supports the US deserters to Canada and wanted former President Bush arrested. Layton’s a maniac. Fortunately, no one outside of Ontario listens to him.

KillerKane on June 3, 2009 at 11:44 AM

kingsjester on June 3, 2009 at 11:21 AM
I think most of the elderly are on Medicare, a govt run program. Limiting their healthcare could be done under existing programs. I understand the ‘cradle to grave’ theory, but the whole banking fiasco makes me wonder if this isn’t motivated by financial gain and I can’t figure out who benefits on this one. There are a lot of people on Medicaid, another federally supported program run by the individual states. Do those people feel that the government owns their souls? Maybe those who are really sick do, but I doubt most of them do. I agree it is socialism, but I just can’t figure out the motivation. It would be easier to just take over the insurance companies. They’ve already got the banks.

mph on June 3, 2009 at 11:48 AM

As a Canadian I’d like to ask Obama why our health care system is good enough for America but our election laws?
Not so much.

landshark on June 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM

(illegals comprise about 20 million of the “47 million Americans who don’t have health insurance”)AZCoyote on June 3, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I read an article yesterday (I cant rem where) that stated that this year there are less emigrating from Mexico than are leaving the United States.We now have more leaving than coming in. Im not sure if these were illegal and legal combined,but look for ID theft to skyrocket. The U.S. now wants citizens to have a passport for both the northern and southern borders. I also remember reading something not too long ago about the libs condemning any additional charges put against illegals for stolen ID’s and SS#’s. Because the illegals had no other choice ya know…/sarc

canditaylor68 on June 3, 2009 at 11:54 AM

My sister lives in Toronto. She went to the ER earlier this year for some severe stomach pains. Turns out it was nothing serious. However it took her 13 (yes that’s thirteen) hours of waiting to been seen, have tests done and get tests back. 13 hours at the ER….coming soon to an Obama hospital near you.

angryed on June 3, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Here’s some great context for those who aren’t familiar with Jack Layton.

He flashed up pictures of Layton and the prime ministers who have railed against the evils of private medical clinics, saying they have visited private clinics for treatment in recent years.

Mediocrity for thee, not for me.

landshark on June 3, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Anyone ever seen the Video Professor commercials? Layton looks just like that guy.

And here he is coming to Washington: “please, try my product.”

Red Cloud on June 3, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Fortunately, no one outside of Ontario Toronto listens to him.
KillerKane on June 3, 2009 at 11:44 AM

FIFY.

pcbedamned on June 3, 2009 at 11:58 AM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

barry to jack — “STFU dude!”

/a competent gop would have this plastered on ads wall to wall — “the wackdoodle ndp supports barry’s stealth single payer plan!”

//here and now we hope someone like coburn at least gets it out to the press …

Buckaroo on June 3, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Time to line up my blackmarket healthcare.

Asher on June 3, 2009 at 12:05 PM

angryed on June 3, 2009 at 11:54 AM
This happens in the US now. I once waited 5 hours in an E.R. with a child having an asthma attack. That isn’t really government vs private healthcare, that’s just incompetence, understaffing or higher priority cases such as multiple victim car accidents which was the cause of our 5 hour wait. I’ve also waited nearly all day to get a CT Scan on a child with sever abdominal pain while she was an inpatient! There are institutions and physicians in the US who provide remarkable care and foreigners come here for that. My experience with US healthcare – in physicians’ offices and in hospitals (and I worked in hospitals for 20 years) – the care is not superior. I wouldn’t leave a loved one in a hospital alone no matter what – you have to stay there to make sure they get the care they need or who knows what will happen.

mph on June 3, 2009 at 12:20 PM

While Canadians stream into the US to get the private coverage that they could not until just recently get in their own country,

And, indeed, are sent by the provincial healthcare system itself for treatment in the U.S. that they can’t get at all or get in a timely fashion in Canada. There was even a debate about whether people sent for treatment to the States should have their travel and accommodation costs picked up by the government.

And re. the comment about where would Canadian doctors run to? A friend of mine is a heart specialist who left Toronto because he couldn’t get a fulltime gig anywhere, despite the need for heart surgeons, because the senior doctors shut him out to keep their own number of billings to OHIP higher.

andycanuck on June 3, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Can anyone enlighten me on the motivation for government health care?

SKYFOX on June 3, 2009 at 11:16 AM

leftists feel that it isn’t fair that some people are able to use their money to buy better health care than others can afford.

So they use govt to make sure that everyont (except politicians) has to use the same crappy system.

MarkTheGreat on June 3, 2009 at 12:30 PM

mph on June 3, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Difference is your 5 hour experience is considered a long wait. My sister’s 13 hours experience is normal.

angryed on June 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM

MarkTheGreat

Mark, the question was asked by mph. I responded to him/her. Your response is correct, but it still boils down to control over the population to guarantee the power of the governing elites.

SKYFOX on June 3, 2009 at 12:38 PM

angryed on June 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM

And yet when my son broke his leg last year, as soon as he was triaged, he was seen immediately by a doctor. He was then sent to x-ray and since x-rays are now digital, they were assessed right away. He was then casted up, with an appointment to see the child orthopedic surgeon the following week. All of this took about 3 hours and the cost was only $30.00 for the crutches.
The point is, there is good and bad in both systems. The bigger the population a hospital must handle here in Canada, obviously, the longer the wait for NON-emergencies. I am sure it is the same in the States. It is called triage. Damn straight a heart attack or other serious injury had better take precedent over stomach pains (and I know that doesn’t help the one waiting, but that’s just the way it is). Canadians will never be able to convince Americans the benefits of our health care system, just as you would be hard pressed to convince us to take on yours. Rather than bashing Canadians as ‘socialist’, and we bashing you guys as ‘uncaring bastards’, accept that we are different, it is what each country is used to, and move the hell on…

pcbedamned on June 3, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Jack Layton is a total fool and hypocrite, and very very few take anything he says very seriously. Jack – there’s a reason you never get more than about 15% at the voting booth, but you’re too stupid and arrogant to notice.

Paradox Drive on June 3, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Canadian pol: Help me help Obama impose CanadaCare on US

Natasha Richardson was unavailable for comment.

Rae on June 3, 2009 at 12:57 PM

How many Americans have crossed the border into Canada seeking better health care?
That’s a tell.
fogw on June 3, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Actually I know of two or three. The funerals were very touching. *sniff*

evilned on June 3, 2009 at 12:57 PM

I hate when people bring up the “corporate interests” crapola.

So because coporations try to cut costs, that means the GOVERNMENT won’t? What planet do these people live on?

DavidM on June 3, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Rasmussen: Just 30% of Americans want to go beyond mandates and create a government-run national health plan.

Rae on June 3, 2009 at 1:03 PM

bluelightbrigade to Layton: Help me help you STFU.

bluelightbrigade on June 3, 2009 at 1:18 PM

How many Americans have crossed the border into Canada seeking better health care?

That’s a tell.

fogw on June 3, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Well… Considering the Ontario Government has issued 300,000 more Health Cards than there are people in Ontario, I’m assuming that approximately 300,000 Americans have crossed the border to partake in our national pastime of dying while waiting for treatment.

Scarbarian on June 3, 2009 at 1:25 PM

As I’ve said before, Canadians have nationalized health care, and they come to the United States when they have a medical problem. If we have nationalized health care, where will WE go? Mexico?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on June 3, 2009 at 1:34 PM

What planet do these people live on?

DavidM on June 3, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Not planet reality, that’s for sure. Government-run health care will actually increase costs. These costs will be barriers to new R&D, and would ultimately drive healthcare businesses out of the US economy.

bluelightbrigade on June 3, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Nothing “new” about these democRATs.

They’re still socialist liberal idiots that have not a single clue what freedom and personal responsibility means, nor do they put any value behind either.

Their brilliant scheme is simply to steal from anyone that has more financial resources than your average low to mid income individual, family, or employer, to fund socialist entitlement programs that make people so dependent on the government for their daily bread that they are forced to continue voting for the socialist liberal scum just to keep the bread train rolling.

Trouble is, of course, that it doesn’t, hasn’t, and never will work no matter what this stupid scheme is applied to. Worse yet, it appeals to so many lazy asses that think they can get a cheap or free ride at the expense of those evil rich that clearly didn’t work for their money and stole every dime from the pockets of everyone not rich, and it encourages those who are tired of working and breaking even to become one of these lazy government dependent sweaty ball sacks.

Only when things come full circle will people begin to take matters into their own hands again. The system the dumbass liberal socialists created has to crash completely without a bailout because it’s “too big to fail”. This time however, the sock puppet in chief is trying desperately to insure that the crash is so long term and the debt from rescuing this bizarre illogical scheme is so long term that the debt it causes will long outlast the systems crash, thereby guaranteeing a continuation of the socialist system until it can begin sucking the life out of it’s citizens again.

In short, sock puppet is trying to skip a part of the cycle, the part where people wake up and realize that communism is for communists, reject the whole ball of crap and rebuild the economy. Instead, we stay in the crap heap until the gubment can make us all loyal dependent voters.

Yay for mass stupidity.

Spiritk9 on June 3, 2009 at 1:43 PM

I don’t think that government will run healthcare intelligently or efficiently. Use the postal service as an example. But I think most Americans don’t realize that our current system is not so great. It may be better than some other countries and it may be great in certain areas where university hospitals are found. But the typical American is covered by an HMO. These came into being years ago and the premise was to cut costs. They operate by discouraging physicians, through financial means, from ordering a lot of diagnostics. Diagnostics that have a proven cost benefit, such as mammograms or colonoscopies, are encouraged. So there is already a level of control imposed which is not in your hands or your doctor’s. Many physicians became very discouraged when the HMOs took over as they felt that someone else was making the decisions for their patients and dictating their income. Hospitals have contracts with HMOs and they decide which hospitals will and will not get specialized equipment dependent on local populations. The contract also allows hospitals to charge $30 for an ER visit. If you don’t have insurance that ER visit can cost hundreds, possibly thousands. Unless you’re indigent, in which case its free. I’m not making a case for government run healthcare, simply pointing out that the current system has insurance companies making decisions rather than government officials. It works great for those who do not have major illnesses or who have Medicare. I just find it hard to believe that the motivation for nationalized healthcare is simply control of the people through socialized medicine. Someone has a financial interest in it.

mph on June 3, 2009 at 1:52 PM

The Congressional Motors video at iowahawk: priceless!

College Prof on June 3, 2009 at 2:38 PM

where will WE go? Mexico?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on June 3, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Steven McQueen (Peace Be Upon Him) did that and he died as a result.

Without the US health care system, such as the ability to take Canadian patients, and exports of technology and pharmaceuticals, Canada’s system would have collapsed years ago.

KillerKane on June 3, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Canadian pol: Help me help Obama impose CanadaCare on US

My wife works with a gal who emigrated from Canada. She liked the Canadian healthcare just fine until she moved to the United States, now she says she would never want to go back to the Canadian system.

RJL on June 3, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Can anyone enlighten me on the motivation for government health care? It seems to me that the only entities to benefit are businesses who now pay most of the expense of health insurance. If the government (that’s us) picks up the tab for that, do businesses then pocket that savings or pass it on to consumers (ha, ha). And, if the government owns healthcare what happens to medical malpractice? Currently, the costs of malpractice insurance are huge. Will the docs no longer have to carry insurance? Can you sue the government if you have a malpractice case? The current administration seems to be trying to convince us that this is to benefit the ‘millions who don’t have healthcare’. Aren’t most of them covered by Medicare at the states’ cost?

mph on June 3, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Seems to me…

1) Insurance companies will go out of business since the government will provide universal insurance.
2) Government healthcare will be massively overrun with costs due to mismanagement (like everything else they touch).
3) Procedures will be restricted on non-productive (i.e. retired) individuals.
4) Companies still pay healthcare premiums… to the government.
5) Government will raise the costs for companies because of their mismanagement, and the fact they are the only provider, and because they can crush any companies that resist.
6) Costs will also be passed on to individuals through higher taxes (individual and/or corporate).
7) Government will take on the role of prosecuting malpractice to re-coop costs on expensive healthcare after complications.
8) Malpractice insurance will go up, causing many doctors to flee the system completely or provide “black-market” services (kind of how Canadians come to the US for procedures that their government drags their feet on).
9) Everyone suffers… except the government officials who now rule on high. For them, its good to be king.

dominigan on June 3, 2009 at 3:08 PM

If you think obama is far left, you ain’t seen nothing until you see jack layton. Our commies can beat up your commies.

keep the change on June 3, 2009 at 4:01 PM

If you search the Parliamentary record, you will find all kinds of nutty statements from Layton about his platform and about how evil the US is. Republicans should be using the association to advantage.

Gaunilon on June 3, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Well… Considering the Ontario Government has issued 300,000 more Health Cards than there are people in Ontario, I’m assuming that approximately 300,000 Americans have crossed the border to partake in our national pastime of dying while waiting for treatment.

Not every immigrant to Canada is American. Many come from all over the world, e.g. Asia, the Philipines, Eastern Europe, Africa. But you’re right all of the immigrants (and their entire families) get a Care Card whether they are working or not. Of course the taxes(income, GST, VAT etc.) in Canada are incredibly high to “cover” everyone.

txmomof6 on June 3, 2009 at 10:48 PM