Ramirez: Obama’s health-care plan, where it belongs

posted at 9:27 am on June 2, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Michael Ramirez, who recently won a Reuben Award from his peers for his excellence in editorial cartooning, puts Barack Obama’s health-care plans in their most appropriate setting in today’s IBD Editorials:

That’s more than just a laugh.  People who pursue equality in outcomes rather than equality in opportunity inevitably become nihilistic.  They want to destroy wealth because not everyone is wealthy, and they justify that by confiscatory government practices in the name of fairness.  Everyone eventually becomes poor, and a client of the state; just ask the former Iron Curtain countries.  Well, everyone but the elites, and those choose early to join the party, or the Party, in order to ensure their place at or near the top of the food chain.

Ramirez has a terrific collection of his works: Everyone Has the Right to My Opinion, which covers the entire breadth of Ramirez’ career, and it gives a fascinating look at political history.  Read my review here, and watch my interviews with Ramirez here and here.  And don’t forget to check out the entire IBD site, while individual investors still exist.

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Everyone Has the Right to My Opinion

Ramirez rocks.

maverick muse on June 2, 2009 at 9:32 AM

That’s great!

ladyingray on June 2, 2009 at 9:32 AM

I can’t wait! Yippie!

Just wait! Smokers will be told they can’t get healthcare.

Same with the overweight and obese.

Then the gubmint will decide that they have the right to extract tissue from coma patients to use for other things!

Ooh! The possibilities are endless.

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 9:32 AM

I still believe that if the government is allowed to call the shots when it comes to healthcare, minors will be required to have a permission slip from a legal guardian to purchase a Big Mac.

pjean on June 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM

A professor tried the same thing in class…a class where most everyone wanted to “share” the wealth of America.
So he averaged the grades on the test.
The first test, it averaged a B, the slackers got a B, and the A students had to carry them.
The next test, the average dropped to a C, the A students wanted to take a break, let the others carry them.
Then the finger pointing, the third test average was a D, and the last test pandemonium in the class, they got an F…
Take away the incentive and the only ones who are affected are the producers, the ones that don’t produce, still won’t.

If you rob Peter to pay Paul, Paul never complains…

right2bright on June 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM

OMG. Everyone in the USA is wealthy. Our homeless mendicants live better than people with jobs, in much of Africa and the Asian subcontinent.

Just wait! Smokers will be told they can’t get healthcare.

Same with the overweight and obese.

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Yeah, but the real kicker is, old people will be told they are no longer cost-effective. Obama has already acknowledged that when you have limited resources, you have to make “hard choices” in that regard. So the trick to surviving under national health care is: don’t get old.

Guess who will still have treatment options when the cost-effectiveness scythe starts cutting across Senior America?

Hint: not “the poor.”

J.E. Dyer on June 2, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Let’s not forget one of the most “attractive” aspects. As in other countries that already have nationalized healthcare, people will be told that they are too old to receive treatment and treating them would not be cost-efficient.

Soylent Green is people!

kingsjester on June 2, 2009 at 9:38 AM

permission slip from a legal guardian to purchase a Big Mac.

pjean on June 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Big Mac will still be legal? Hmmmmm…must be because a new fatty food tax has been imposed.

WashJeff on June 2, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Once Universal Healthcare is instituted, will Obama and his cronies in the House, Senate and elsewhere be using the same health system as me?

Tommy_G on June 2, 2009 at 9:39 AM

J.E. Dyer on June 2, 2009 at 9:38 AM

It’s scary. People think controlling GM is the road to tyranny? HAW HAW HAW.

The “Road to Serfdom” is paved with syringes, viles, and prescriptions.

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 9:39 AM

They want to destroy wealth because not everyone is wealthy, and they justify that by confiscatory government practices in the name of fairness.

They can’t legislate success. Failure, on the other hand…

trubble on June 2, 2009 at 9:41 AM

People think the ER waiting rooms are bad now?

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 9:41 AM

If Rameriz isn’t careful he will end up on Rushmore.

Limerick on June 2, 2009 at 9:43 AM

People think the ER waiting rooms are bad now?

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 9:41 AM

People have no idea…they haven’t even considered the shortage of doctors that this will create.

ladyingray on June 2, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Just wait! Smokers will be told they can’t get healthcare.

Which is ironic, as smokers are paying for that health care in outrageous cig taxes.

JetBoy on June 2, 2009 at 9:43 AM

And when the inevitable shortage of doctors develops, we’ll simply force people to go into medicine and become AIDS specialists, gynecologists, etc., using taxpayer-sponsored free college tuition as the incentive. Thus we end up with a federally-planned medical profession composed of people who would otherwise have opted for careers in accounting, engineering, auto mechanics… and who are thus unhappy with their lives and contemptuous of their patients.

whitetop on June 2, 2009 at 9:43 AM

That’s more than just a laugh. People who pursue equality in outcomes rather than equality in opportunity inevitably become nihilistic.

Harrison Bergeron comes to mind.

eforhan on June 2, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Which is ironic, as smokers are paying for that health care in outrageous cig taxes.

JetBoy on June 2, 2009 at 9:43 AM

AND HERE’S THE MOST INSANE PART!
Smokers pay into S-CHIP, if I do recall.

Smokers pay for that healthcare, but the government then turns around and spends in the Porkulo-nimbus bill some ridiculous amount of money on smoking cessation programs.

So wtf? They want smokers to pay into the healthcare system, but then turn around and throw handfuls of money into the air via Porkulo-nimbus, to stop people from smoking? None of it makes sense

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 9:45 AM

People have no idea…they haven’t even considered the shortage of doctors that this will create.

ladyingray on June 2, 2009 at 9:43 AM

I’m looking forward to it.

/sarc (since no one has sarced ina while)

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Hmm… picture reminds me of Botticelli’s Birth of Venus … which becomes kinda crude when you look at Hesiod’s account of where she came from….

apostic on June 2, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Ummm… I can tell you where obama can stick his f*cking healthcare plan…

(but it may get me kicked off this blog…)

ErinF on June 2, 2009 at 9:48 AM

ErinF on June 2, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Down in gitmo?

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Heh.

Obama economic policy = trickle-up poverty

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 2, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Paging Kurt Vonnegut…

bluelightbrigade on June 2, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Down in gitmo?

Nah… Gitmo is a luxury resort these days. I was thinking more along the lines of a bodily orifice…

ErinF on June 2, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Obama economic policy = trickle-up poverty

LOL! I have that bumper sticker on my car actually. I typically either get thumbs up and cheers from passing drivers, or I get flipped off.

ErinF on June 2, 2009 at 9:51 AM

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Someone once did a stat on if everyone stopped smoking and what it would do to the taxes…it was devastating.
That is why they don’t “outlaw” cigs, they need the taxes.
Decades from now, people will laugh at how foolish we were:
Here are my three items people will look back on and shake their head:
Taxing smoking, and holding smokers in disdain, while depending on their sales (no comment needed)
Pacifists supporting abortion (trying to save lives, while supporting others for taking lives)
Wearing a tie (imagine, choking yourself while trying to do business)

right2bright on June 2, 2009 at 9:52 AM

People think the ER waiting rooms are bad now?

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 9:41 AM

People have no idea…they haven’t even considered the shortage of doctors that this will create.

ladyingray on June 2, 2009 at 9:43 AM

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/28/doctor-shortage-confounds-obamas-socialization-plans-for-health-care/

izoneguy on June 2, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Ramirez rocks.

maverick muse on June 2, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Yes he does. How long before they try to take away his crayons?

TheBigOldDog on June 2, 2009 at 9:53 AM

I can’t wait! Yippie!

Just wait! Smokers will be told they can’t get healthcare.

Same with the overweight and obese.

Then the gubmint will decide that they have the right to extract tissue from coma patients to use for other things!

Ooh! The possibilities are endless.

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Blatantblue, if you haven’t paid your taxes, Dear Leader wants you in His cabinet.

rbj on June 2, 2009 at 9:54 AM

HEEELP!

Can’t…breathe…

Drowning…in…snark…

misterpeasea on June 2, 2009 at 10:00 AM

What Obamageddon doesn’t realize the poor are more interested in the new sneakers, 62 inch flat screen, bling than having healthcare. So that is what our tax dollars buy!

xler8bmw on June 2, 2009 at 10:01 AM

I read Ramirez and Muir every day they post!

rockbend on June 2, 2009 at 10:04 AM

xler8bmw on June 2, 2009 at 10:01 AM

As someone who has worked at two different public housing authorities, I agree with this.

Most of the residents dressed better than me…I’ve had them in my office crying about losing their apartment because they couldn’t pay their $50 rent while they wear Starter Jackets and expensive athletic shoes.

ladyingray on June 2, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Blatantblue, if you haven’t paid your taxes, Dear Leader wants you in His cabinet.

rbj on June 2, 2009 at 9:54 AM

I’ve unfortunately paid taxes.

Oh well :[ No Obama Badministration for me.

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Welcome to the MSA, Mediocre States of America.

kirkill on June 2, 2009 at 10:07 AM

as a 2 decade ER RN i can tell you our ER’s are already past breaking point…yep….we are tired…over worked..gravely under paid…(intended sarc)….waiting times of over 12-24 hours in alot of inner city hospitals….yep…sleep deprived staff who make mistakes..(yep..i said mistakes)…MD’s who have to keep sometimes up to 20 patients medical info in their small little brains..(of course i make fun of MD’s, i’m a RN)…ER staff who routinely quit, walk out, burn out, and in some cases suicide..yep…we get cussed at..spit on…hit…kicked…bitten….followed home…and that’s a good night….experienced RN’s are leaving all aspects of nursing at a breakneck pace…just y’all wait till socialized medicine takes hold…yep….gonna be real fun…now let me state i am FOR healthcare for every American citizen…we can do light years better…especially for the kids….socialism is not the answer….we need to fight this tooth and nail…and let me tell you insurance companies are the real demons here…i deal with them daily….i know…i know…it’s capitalism…

JJKRN on June 2, 2009 at 10:08 AM

ladyingray on June 2, 2009 at 10:06 AM

I’ll never forget seeing the lady who just got her hair did buy chips with food stamps.

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 10:08 AM

If you rob Peter to pay Paul, Paul never complains…
right2bright on June 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM

A few weeks ago, a female guest on a talk show here in CT was using this analogy, stating that if there are more Pauls receiving than Peters paying that those robbing Peter to pay Paul will always be re-elected.

She then stated that “all the Peters need to stand up”. Maybe she should have re-phrased that… :)

Steve Z on June 2, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Then the gubmint will decide that they have the right to extract tissue from coma patients to use for other things!

Ooh! The possibilities are endless.

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Your comment sounded eerily familiar:

…doctors at Memorial Hospital are taking patients into minor surgery and making sure they do not ever wake up. The patients are not dead; they are in a comatose state. Susan discovers they are harvesting the patients’ body parts. From a reviewer on the book, COMA, by Robin Cook, 1977

tru2tx on June 2, 2009 at 10:10 AM

If you rob Peter to pay Paul, Paul never complains…
right2bright on June 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM

If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you wind up with a broken Peter.

saiga on June 2, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Government announces the takeover of IBD in 5 … 4 … 3 …

johnsteele on June 2, 2009 at 10:12 AM

I’ll never forget seeing the lady who just got her hair did buy chips with food stamps.

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 10:08 AM

I once saw a woman with a WIC voucher arguing with the cashier about the type of cheese she wanted to get. Don’t get me wrong, I actually think WIC is a good program because it tells you exactly what you can get and none of it’s junk food, but this woman was getting her cheese for FREE and she wanted what she thought was a “better” kind (both were the same name brand). She kept saying her kids wouldn’t eat the other kind.

I mean, the cheese was FREE for her…GAH!

ladyingray on June 2, 2009 at 10:12 AM

tru2tx on June 2, 2009 at 10:10 AM

I wouldn’t doubt it.

The only reason I brought it up was because I recall reading some article in either the Guardian or Daily Mail that talked about how the government was going to harvest tissue from comatose patients.

I’ve been unable to find the piece.

…almost like it’s been wiped away..

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 10:12 AM

ladyingray on June 2, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Thank you for your response. I don’t begrudge anyone help who needs it but, I resent my tax dollars going to people that have no intention to work and feel entitled to my money so they can live outside of their means. Now that Obama has changed Bill Clinton’s welfare reform it will get worse again. We have people out of work that are being told they made to much money to receive any gov help while these theives live high on the hog with our money and continue to get a check.

These people will never be able to survive if there is no money to help them because they have never had to learn to survive without the gov. Eventually the well will dry up!

xler8bmw on June 2, 2009 at 10:13 AM

whitetop on June 2, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Most engineers and accountants would not be able to academically hack the medical training they would have to undergo to become a doctor. I suspect the MD curriculum will be “dumbed down” …. that will be interesting.

catlady on June 2, 2009 at 10:13 AM

What Obamageddon doesn’t realize the poor are more interested in the new sneakers, 62 inch flat screen, bling than having healthcare. So that is what our tax dollars buy!

xler8bmw on June 2, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Years ago a writer from India had mentioned she had always wanted to go to America…When asked why she replied.
“I always wanted to go to a country where the poor were overweight”.
When traveling around and listening to the whining of America, I always think of this…as I drive by the KFC’s of the world, or watch as the fat lady takes out her food stamps, with her overweight children…the poor (in general) are fat, lazy, inconsiderate.
I don’t mean the poor because of “real” circumstances of illness, or plant closing…I mean the perpetually, generational poor, that have learned to suck the teat of society.

right2bright on June 2, 2009 at 10:13 AM

If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you wind up with a broken Peter.

saiga on June 2, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Ouch! Sounds like that hurts!

catlady on June 2, 2009 at 10:15 AM

as a 2 decade ER RN i can tell you our ER’s are already past breaking point…yep….we are tired…over worked..gravely under paid…(intended sarc)….waiting times of over 12-24 hours in alot of inner city hospitals….yep…sleep deprived staff who make mistakes..(yep..i said mistakes)…MD’s who have to keep sometimes up to 20 patients medical info in their small little brains..(of course i make fun of MD’s, i’m a RN)…ER staff who routinely quit, walk out, burn out, and in some cases suicide..yep…we get cussed at..spit on…hit…kicked…bitten….followed home…and that’s a good night….experienced RN’s are leaving all aspects of nursing at a breakneck pace…just y’all wait till socialized medicine takes hold…yep….gonna be real fun…now let me state i am FOR healthcare for every American citizen…we can do light years better…especially for the kids….socialism is not the answer….we need to fight this tooth and nail…and let me tell you insurance companies are the real demons here…i deal with them daily….i know…i know…it’s capitalism…

JJKRN on June 2, 2009 at 10:08 AM

So, if you’re a stressed-out emergency-room nurse, and socialism is not the answer, and insurance companies are the real demons, and you are for healthcare for every American citizen, what do you suggest should be done?

Enlighten us, please!

Steve Z on June 2, 2009 at 10:16 AM

If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you wind up with a broken Peter.

saiga on June 2, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Yes, so I guess I have to amend it and say Paul will complain when Peter runs out of money…
If you rob Peter to pay Paul, Paul won’t complain until Peter runs out of money.
Thank you, that is more accurate.

right2bright on June 2, 2009 at 10:16 AM

catlady on June 2, 2009 at 10:13 AM

I’m an accountant and no way could I become a doctor…my brain don’t work that way.

ladyingray on June 2, 2009 at 10:18 AM

right2bright on June 2, 2009 at 10:13 AM

How true. I wonder why the bonehead liberals insist on keeping welfare the same. I know about vote farming, but welfare has turned being poor into a lucrative lifestyle.
Why go to school? Why take care of your children? It is criminal to me.

saiga on June 2, 2009 at 10:18 AM

I suspect the MD curriculum will be “dumbed down” …. that will be interesting.

catlady on June 2, 2009 at 10:13 AM

I wouldn’t doubt it either.

They’ll do doctor sh*t what they did to Air Traffic Control testing.

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Don’t give up though, people.

It’s always darkest before dawn

later

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 10:21 AM

JJKRN on June 2, 2009 at 10:08 AM

No offense, but your post makes no sense.
You complain about over worked, then ask for universal health care, then say it is the insurance fault, but never mention the attorney’s.
What the system has to realize is that HUMAN’s make mistakes, and you can’t blame a human for being a human.
Doctor’s need to be more critical of their peers, nurses need to be more critical of their peers, and attorney’s need to have limits to what they can earn, and limits to what their clients receive.
Insurance companies need to have the gov. off their backs…
That’s a start.
Good luck on getting the attorney’s (which means congress) to go along with real reform.

right2bright on June 2, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Enlighten us, please!

Steve Z on June 2, 2009 at 10:16 AM

I don’t think that insurance companies are the real demons, I think that inefficiency over the whole system is. My husband is in the medical field, sister-in-law was an ER nurse at Hackensack in N (gang central) and the trouble is across the whole system. Hospital administrators become too lazy and bureaucratic, and are out of touch of what needs to be done. Direct providers become disenfranchised, and adopt a “I just an hourly worker” attitude, and lose pride in their contributions. (Who wouldn’t when they are spit on, and verbally/physically abused by potential patients) Patients are lazy (not all) and do not take the responsibility they need to for the medical condition they are in now.

Now, there are exceptions to each area I have mentioned, but it is just like the auto industry, no one group in responsible, but all groups must work together.

catlady on June 2, 2009 at 10:23 AM

saiga on June 2, 2009 at 10:18 AM

LBJ’s War on poverty has become the longest most costly war in the history of America and we lost along time ago! Obviously this isn’t a war Obama disagrees with! What I find the most disgusting is democrats are the ones that kept them as slaves and still keeps them in slavery and they vote democrat without realizing their pawns! Once a slave always a slave!

xler8bmw on June 2, 2009 at 10:24 AM

catlady on June 2, 2009 at 10:23 AM

and its lawsuits
and government intervention and mandates on healthcare

lol
“i just an hourly worker”

and yes hackensack is gnarly

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Most engineers and accountants would not be able to academically hack the medical training they would have to undergo to become a doctor. I suspect the MD curriculum will be “dumbed down” …. that will be interesting.

catlady on June 2, 2009 at 10:13 AM

I did. Full scholarship also. No accountants and engineers are often up enough on the bell curve to study science and enter med school. With the rush of Docs to retire do to Government trouble, facing wallups on reimbursement and erosion of the conscience clause in FOCA, we will have a lot retire early. The offset is PA’s which will run Gubment healthcare out of Walgreens and Walmart mini clinics.

We need 20 million heavy smokers to tax and support healthcare,.
Everything the Obama group touches is loaded with internal contradiction. He wants to tax high incomes and then he spends the money and tells us to cap incomes.

seven on June 2, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Why go to school? Why take care of your children? It is criminal to me.

saiga on June 2, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Well, that sentence, inadvertently, tells a huge story.
School drop out is reaching 35%, so you first question is answered.
And your last two are answered by those drop-outs, along with the record un-married mother rate, creates the criminal in your last sentence.
Those three sentences is the “Cliff-notes” of what the liberal policies have done the past 40 years.

right2bright on June 2, 2009 at 10:26 AM

ladyingray on June 2, 2009 at 10:18 AM

I agree, I was a financial manager (fairly high up) and I could not face what I have seen medical students go through. My brain just is not equipped.

On the reverse side, I have seen more physicians who are absolute dumba$$es about how to run their practices. Ego gets in the way of practical management.

catlady on June 2, 2009 at 10:27 AM

seven on June 2, 2009 at 10:25 AM

IDK how y’all do it.

I go to a medical research university, and the health science majors study so hard. the material is ridiculous. kudos to y’all

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 10:28 AM

seven on June 2, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Good for you! My spouse was an enginerd for fourteen years – made missiles and such (remember the bunker buster in the first Gulf War? I have stories to tell). He went back at the age of 36 to med school. Not because of the money – we lost our entire savings and retirement accounts (but have no school debt) but because he wanted to make a difference. And you know what? He does. Just don’t tell him that, ’cause he presents this very gruff and cynical exterior.

catlady on June 2, 2009 at 10:31 AM

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 10:28 AM

They study while you drink beer, blog and hope to get lucky. I see…. :) Good to see you blue, the BBQ pit is smokin’

catlady on June 2, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Steve Z on June 2, 2009 at 10:16 AM

i’m not stressed ..i love my job..i do it willingly…
as for a real answer or possible solution to health care for American citizens….i really do not have a concrete answer..i just know that my very conservative political views conflict with my health care views…when one is in a foxhole in the middle of battle your usually just trying to save your own ass…the healthcare battle starts at the primary care level…more incentives are needed for young MD’s to go into family doctoring…1 million general practice MD’s should be a good start…nearly free clinics for all to get basic health care…especially those with long term medical problems…smoking cessation, drug and alcohol programs/treatment needs to be mandatory…a large percentage of the carnage i see in my trauma center is caused directly in some way by drugs and alcohol..it’s a hidden and unspoken problem in the country…these are 2 obvious areas that every ER person would love to see taken care of….primary psychiatric care needs to return instead of “community” based programs…those programs are a friggin joke…how all this gets paid for..i have no clue…but i do know these 3 areas would save BILLIONS in health care costs…if addressed in a logical manner…of course with these bozo’s in the WH…ain’t gonna happen..BTW…most ER people are conservatives…any help on your part is welcomed

JJKRN on June 2, 2009 at 10:37 AM

I still believe that if the government is allowed to call the shots when it comes to healthcare, minors will be required to have a permission slip from a legal guardian to purchase a Big Mac.

pjean on June 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM

But they won’t need one to get an abortion, paid for by you and me!

rockmom on June 2, 2009 at 10:37 AM

rockmom on June 2, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Or birth control pills or condoms!

catlady on June 2, 2009 at 10:41 AM

There is a very famous micro-surgeon in Australia who had to get me to change his spark plugs.

Some people are brilliant at one thing only – others can muddle through anything.

OldEnglish on June 2, 2009 at 10:41 AM

JJKRN on June 2, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Paying for everything with other people’s money is the root of the problem.

rockmom on June 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM

right2bright on June 2, 2009 at 10:22 AM

no offense taken

i would ask that you come to work with me for a week

and your right about the attorneys

in trauma care we don’t think about lawyers

i stated i don’t have answers…and i understand my stance on health care is a dichotomy due to my conservative politics..

man..i just help save lives and wash the blood off my shoes and scrubs nightly

unlike TV… we don’t really save too many

JJKRN on June 2, 2009 at 10:44 AM

However, smokers die some 10 years earlier than nonsmokers, according to the CDC, and those premature deaths provide a savings to Medicare, Social Security, private pensions and other programs.

Vanderbilt University economist Kip Viscusi studied the net costs of smoking-related spending and savings and found that for every pack of cigarettes smoked, the country reaps a net cost savings of 32 cents.

nottakingsides on June 2, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Just imagine the lovely day when you get a government bureaucrat, a government ‘ethicist’, a government ‘specialist’, an accountant, an insurance bureaucrat together to discuss your condition. They might even consult your doctor!

You, on the other hand, get what you are given. Just like in the USSR where they had all those lovely hospitals without doctors, supplies, running water… ahhh… everyone will get what can be afforded. Unless you are part of the Apparatchik class. Because some are more equal than others.

ajacksonian on June 2, 2009 at 10:52 AM

catlady

This is mostly true. I cannnot tell a lie.

Good to see you too.

Come back sooon

Keep the grill going

blatantblue on June 2, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Welcome to the MSA, Mediocre States of America.

kirkill on June 2, 2009 at 10:07 AM

This may be wishful thinking. I’m worried about a Lord of the Flies outcome.

BuckeyeSam on June 2, 2009 at 10:59 AM

We don’t have a healthcare crisis we have a payment crisis. I have been a hospital CEO for many years and the Medicare and Medicaid programs were just the beginning of the socialist spiral and have led to the situation we have today. US medicine in great, the sheiks of the Middle East come here for treatment, not the UK, Canada, etc.

We have to let the free market level the playing field and have insurance available for people to purchase, get the government the f out of the business, but “O, you’re so wrong” won’t let that happen.

hip shot on June 2, 2009 at 11:01 AM

She then stated that “all the Peters need to stand up”. Maybe she should have re-phrased that… :)

Steve Z

That’s the problem with the Republicans in congress. They are all limp and useless.

SKYFOX on June 2, 2009 at 11:07 AM

And when the inevitable shortage of doctors develops, we’ll simply force people to go into medicine and become AIDS specialists, gynecologists, etc., using taxpayer-sponsored free college tuition as the incentive.

Well I hope I’m first in line, I get the feeling my profession (pharmaceutical sales) will be outlawed soon anyway.

Either that or I’ll be drawn and quartered for selling eeeevil non-generics made by the eeeevil pharmaceutical companies.

TheMightyMonarch on June 2, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Insurance and lawyers are the main problems with affordable health care. Get rid of both (and the costs associated with them) and 95 percent of Americans (my estimate)could afford all but the most expensive procedures. Insurance is just socialism lite – it is shared risk – where the healthy participants pay for the ill. How is that any different than the wealthy paying for the poor?
You are asking those that take care of themselves to pay for those who don’t want to take the effort to eat healthy. (I know – there are other factors)
Just one man’s opinion.

Corsair on June 2, 2009 at 11:23 AM

here is a crazy example of my insurance…and i work in a hospital

i am on 1 blood pressure medication that isn’t effective anymore

my doctor wrote for the kind i need to be on..a much more effective medication for the parameters of my systolic/diastolic numbers

insurance denied it..flat out..because there is no generics available yet..it is too expensive out of pocket…i can’t afford it

so when i stroke out..they will gladly pay for the hospital and rehab i will need…brilliant

JJKRN on June 2, 2009 at 11:37 AM

It’s funny because it’s true – Homer Simpson

Wyznowski on June 2, 2009 at 11:40 AM

minors will be required to have a permission slip from a legal guardian to purchase a Big Mac.

pjean on June 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM

… but not to get an abortion.

SheofTwoMinds on June 2, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Most of the wealthiest in Congress, are democrats. C’mon now…pony up! It’s only……FAIR!!!

capejasmine on June 2, 2009 at 11:51 AM

minors will be required to have a permission slip from a legal guardian to purchase a Big Mac.

pjean on June 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM

… but not to get an abortion.

SheofTwoMinds on June 2, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Exactly…after all, that’s a private matter.

spaninq on June 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM

On the reverse side, I have seen more physicians who are absolute dumba$$es about how to run their practices. Ego gets in the way of practical management.

catlady on June 2, 2009 at 10:27 AM

My current position is an accountant for a regional healthcare system, and yes, doctors should leave the running of their practices to the professionals.

I don’t tell them how to do open heart surgery, they shouldn’t tell me how to book their stinking revenue.

ladyingray on June 2, 2009 at 12:24 PM

People who pursue equality in outcomes rather than equality in opportunity inevitably become nihilistic. They want to destroy wealth because not everyone is wealthy, and they justify that by confiscatory government practices in the name of fairness. Everyone eventually becomes poor…

This also sounds an awful lot like the philosophy behind Global Warming.

Stephen Macklin on June 2, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Liberal philosophy 101: Not everyone can be rich, but everyone can become poor. Lets all share in gubbermint sponsored misery

Bevan on June 2, 2009 at 12:36 PM

JJKRN

The problem with healthcare is that it is already socialized. It sounds like you work County – all your private pays are, in effect, overcharged to pay for the un & underinsured that walk into your facility for everything from a wart to a major trauma. As a country we have accepted this ameri-socialized medicine and that is the problem. Further socializing it won’t fix it, it will only make it worse for everyone. But at least we will all be equal /s/

Meanwhile we are stuck with this quasi-socialized system… you want to fix your facility? – you need a better routing system and a better job in your triage. If your entire staff is stressed out it is because your intake is insufficient. Patients need to be tagged & properly routed. You may need a direct route to the psych unit or the pedi clinic – it would be more cost effective too.

Paying for everything with other people’s money is the root of the problem.

rockmom on June 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Truth.

batterup on June 2, 2009 at 12:53 PM

and let me tell you insurance companies are the real demons here…i deal with them daily….i know…i know…it’s capitalism…

JJKRN on June 2, 2009 at 10:08 AM

What ever happened to tort reform? Did they ever fix that? Hmph… Thought not.

Dee2008 on June 2, 2009 at 1:17 PM

What Obamageddon doesn’t realize the poor are more interested in the new sneakers, 62 inch flat screen, bling than having healthcare. So that is what our tax dollars buy!

Since they are already poor, Dr Obama will write the script that makes ME purchase that stuff for them.

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on June 2, 2009 at 1:35 PM

That’s the problem with the Republicans in congress. They are all limp and useless.

SKYFOX on June 2, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Right now, that’s a plus, if you compare to democrats shoving theirs up every citizens behind!

capejasmine on June 2, 2009 at 1:37 PM

“A rising tide of poverty swamps all boats.”

platypus on June 2, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Socialism works until you run out of OPM to spend….

t on June 2, 2009 at 2:26 PM

The Soviet workers had a standing joke about the Party: “They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work”.

GarandFan on June 2, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Well here’s my take on the future (bear in mind I read, write, and perform a lot a science fiction):

They will “cap” the maximum age one is allowed to live. (Think CO2 emissions combined with a greater chance of major disease that the elderly face–I’m thinking somewhere around 65 to 70 years of age. Also think “drain on resources.”)

No doctors, nurses or anyone capable of making an independent medical decision regarding the care of an individual. Instead, computer geeks will rule the ER because all medical care will be governed by a centralized data terminal equipped with a menu of care prescribed by some disembodied “medical expert” in Washington DC. What this means for us is that if the prescribed menu of care doesn’t work for our specific case, our care is cut off. If I was a health care professional I’d be rather unhappy about this possibility (to state the obvious rather mildly)

Large gatherings will be deemed unhealthy by BIG GOV because of an exaggerated threat of pandemic. The benefit for BIG GOV here is that, the less that people gather in social groups the less likely organized dissent will erupt thereby quashing any threat of overthrow.

Genetic testing before marriage to determine if a defective child might be born to the couple thereby causing a drain on the authorized medical menu. Genetic engineering soon to follow as a solution to this. Welcome to a perfectly healthy, no surprises society.
OR
Infants genetically tested at birth for possible future ailments that might require long term care. If discovered, the child is “dealt with” right there in the delivery room.

Some people say that the prophetic is dead. Aside from the prophetic that is flowing in some churches today, I say read a little more science fiction. These scenarios that I’ve listed above were part of different SciFi books and movies that I’ve read and seen over the years. Example? Gene Roddenberry, in the 60′s, predicted that in the future we would have personal devices that we could communicate with, discover the properties of objects we encounter, access a data base for information, and tell us how to get from where we are to where we need to go. Voila! We have the blackberry and other things like them.

The govermental control of ANYTHING is inherently dangerous because it takes human interaction away from the equation. I don’t like socialized medicine.

MAY NONE OF THIS COME TO PASS!

To our RN who uses battle allusions in describing a night in the ER: I feel for you, but it may be time for you to change venues. If you are indeed as “shell shocked” as you sound (and your inability to control your blood pressure may be an indicator of that)you need to, for your own emotional and physical health, find a quieter place to work. I am praying for you. God bless you and don’t give up hope.

Driefromseattle on June 2, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Driefromseattle on June 2, 2009 at 3:33 PM

why thank you so much…and i am changing jobs

going to work as Drug and Alcohol Therapist in a local rehab

people will die..i just won’t have to put them in bags anymore

and…i am giving back what was given to me…Just For Today

JJKRN on June 2, 2009 at 3:45 PM

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