New GM ad: Are you ready for government-made crapboxes?
posted at 7:45 pm on June 1, 2009 by Allahpundit
Via RCP. What’s a proud American’s patriotic duty when it comes to helping GM rebound? We’re all owners now; a successful rebirth would doubtless be great for the economy. And yet I find myself feeling … resentful. Could it be because the company’s a black hole for taxpayer money? Could it be because the feds are hopelessly conflicted about how to manage it, from using it as a platform for their green religion to favoring it over companies like Ford that didn’t take bailout cash? Could it be because we’re barely into the age of state ownership of automakers and the evidence is already mounting that Obama’s acting like a partisan jackass? Or could it be because Gibbs is unable to answer a straightforward question about when, precisely, the government plans to return the company to private ownership?
Verdict: If I had to buy tomorrow, I’d buy Ford. What fiscal conservative wouldn’t?
Blowback
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The return of the Chrysler K-Car, we can call it the O-Car; twice as crappy for twice the price.
Bishop on June 1, 2009 at 8:25 PM
If I were to buy a car again, I would buy second hand from a person listing it in the classifieds. I bought a Dodge 2005 Grand Caravan SE earlier this year for $4,000. In perfect condition mechanically and all, other than a dent in the rear door which cost $100 to have my brother fix. The van blue books at over $7000. This has the effect of 1) saving me lots of money and giving me instant “equity” in my car and b) giving the gov’t less in taxes.
I was never a fan of buying any car new from a dealership. You have to get credit to do it and you lose quite a bit of value as soon as you drive it off the lot (although that drop is less with a Toyota or Honda, so I would be more likely to buy a new one of those brands). Also, you get to pay maximum taxes. Also those salesmen are mostly unscrupulous.
Christina D on June 1, 2009 at 8:26 PM
I will look at Ford or Toyota products. If I could afford it I would only buy German engineered autos.
Never will I be forced or coerced to squeeze into the Obama green-tin foil-mini car patterned after some Italian crash trap. I want to be safe when I load my family into the car.
In my career I saw too many t-bones where the larger car won the battle. Inevitably the SUV driver walks away while the driver of the smaller car lays inside traumatized or near death.
FireBlogger on June 1, 2009 at 8:26 PM
As if I didn’t need enough excuses to by a Subaru… Thankfully Subarus haven’t been hijacked by leftists and people who masterbate to The Fast and The Furious like Honda.
DethMetalCookieMonst on June 1, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Yeah… my uncle used to be American Cars all the way… Now he’s reconsidering…
Upstater85 on June 1, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Deese=dees nutz
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on June 1, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Not so cool… but thanks for passing that on.
Upstater85 on June 1, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Never will I be forced or coerced to squeeze into the Obama green-tin foil-mini car patterned after some Italian crash trap.
You believe you will have a choice?
You can buy a shatty little, rattletrap FedCar or you can buy a foreign car. The foreign car will have so many tariffs and regulations attached that the price will be astronomical. And tabs? Three times as expensive.
You can have any car you want, as long as it’s a FedCar.
Bishop on June 1, 2009 at 8:30 PM
I was, of course, being sarcastic. : )
Our tax dollars at work. Yikes.
shibumi on June 1, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Sorry UAW. YOU idiots drove this company into bankruptcy, but now YOU own it, along with your willing accomplices in the Federal government. I drive a Mustang and an F-150, and you can damn sure bet that you’ll never catch me buying a government issue Chevy.
StimulateTHIS on June 1, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Leave it to a Democrat to politicize buying a damn CAR. So, for me it’s FORD… the hold-out, the true American survivor.
leftnomore on June 1, 2009 at 8:32 PM
I bought a used Acura with 30,000 miles on it. It now has over 160,000 miles and is still going strong. I’m hoping to get 300,000 before looking for another used Acura. My only debate is with my Ford Ranger. It is my second Ranger and both have been very dependable. However, I just can’t see spending any money that will benefit the UAW.
dawgyear on June 1, 2009 at 8:32 PM
Didn’t subaru put out a commercial about being green…they have not only been hijacked, they are now crowing about it.
HornetSting on June 1, 2009 at 8:34 PM
God! If I was an ad exec with Ford I’d be sticking it it to ‘em, big time.
TheSitRep on June 1, 2009 at 8:35 PM
This is an interesting concept. First of all, it would be an odd looking car with two front ends, which both have to be constantly lifted every few months. It wouldn’t take gas, you’d just have to pour money into it and would never get any mileage out of it, though, by looking at the body, you would think the miles were quite high. It would have flip up headlights, but you could never get them to go down. You’d never be able to smooth the wrinkles out of that big rear end. Everytime you got in it, it took you wherever it wanted to go and only would make left turns, but you’d be glad to get there because it always left a path of destruction in it’s wake. Then it puts itself in reverse and backtracks at high speed. Finally You’d never be able to get a title to it because you’d find out that you weren’t the only one who has been paying for it and it’s still being paid for by all kinds of people. You could do a title search, but those documents have probably been shredded already.
Now, what color do you want?
Bikerken on June 1, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Looks like warranty claims are in the trash.
Obama is running them both into the dirt. Resale will be terrible. The dodge Rahmbo will be a 3 cylinder Fiat motor? Top speed 45? Pay load?
seven on June 1, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Will the new government motors car come with a pair of Berkenstocks and a pacifier?
HornetSting on June 1, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Hey, don’t forget Nissan guys… They make great trucks and their Infiniti luxury line is the best bang for your buck.
Also, AP, you should call your broker… I am doing very well with the Ford stock (although I would never buy one of their vehicles).
cbconnolly on June 1, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Yeah… even though I don’t hold much against Subarus, they are the Lefty Volvo of the 21st century …
Upstater85 on June 1, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Do you think for a moment that The One is going let some other car company have a significant competitive advantage over his?
You won’t have a choice to buy a non Government Motors car unless you buy used or you are very wealthy.
Stephen Macklin on June 1, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Obama took all the pacifiers to the WH with him…
Upstater85 on June 1, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Are you ready do have your American Peoples Wagon?
/1937
bluelightbrigade on June 1, 2009 at 8:39 PM
I just wish they could get rid of the GM emblem… Just put his face on the emblem. Then it will feel good to go down the highway letting the bugs smack the front of the car.
Upstater85 on June 1, 2009 at 8:39 PM
so the first Obamamotors ad. Torn flag, hockey player on ice…and i’m sure that’s not a flag-drapped coffin, but what is it?
There’s a time when a lot of different brands, but no more.
Wonderful
r keller on June 1, 2009 at 8:39 PM
This is the solution… don’t buy anything GM makes until they get off the government dole… which is going to require the unions giving up their unsustainable contracts.
Until that happens… buy from anyone else. Likewise, no one should bank at citicorp or any of the other zombie corporations.
Karmashock on June 1, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Love my 350Z.
HornetSting on June 1, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Ford, made by civilians, for civilians.
Ford, made by free-marketeers for, free-marketeers.
TheSitRep on June 1, 2009 at 8:40 PM
BOYCOTT GM / CHRYSLER!!
HondaV65 on June 1, 2009 at 8:41 PM
Lemme try again
Notice the flag is shredded at 0.29?
- The Cat
MirCat on June 1, 2009 at 8:41 PM
They already are. Ford announced today they are ramping production in Q-3 this year. They see the opening left by Government Motors.
Realize Ford took ZERO fed money yet they are the only US auto company increasing production.
Obama miscalculated. He traded good judgment for UAW votes. This is the problem when politicians are so desperate for votes. You get bad government.
FireBlogger on June 1, 2009 at 8:41 PM
I’m going to… I’m afraid it just won’t matter when
1) Money is worthless or
2) The Gubmint buys them for all of the ACORN employees…
Upstater85 on June 1, 2009 at 8:43 PM
P.S. Fewer cars, less choice, The New GM
MirCat on June 1, 2009 at 8:43 PM
Ford doesn’t have to say a thing. All they have to do is keep pumpin’ out awesome Mustangs, Explorers and F-150s.
John the Libertarian on June 1, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Sounds like a leftists strategy for winning…
Kind of like how the Soviets kept winning elections.
Upstater85 on June 1, 2009 at 8:48 PM
The UAW has ownership interests in GM and Chrysler.
Ford Cars are built by UAW workers.
Ford cars are therefore being built by the competition.
How is that going to work out well for anybody?
chalons on June 1, 2009 at 8:49 PM
The only new vehicles I’ve ever bought have been GMC and Chevy pick-ups and Suburbans. I honestly cannot see myself ever buying another GM product. I won’t prop up Obama, the UAW or the leftist socialist establishment.
Sad day for me (and my friends at the local GM dealerships).
edgehead on June 1, 2009 at 8:52 PM
We are looking at the Hyundai Elantra Touring (wagon).
ctmom on June 1, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Hanging on to my Nissan Titan. Gonna buy another big vehicle (Ford, Nissan, Toyota, or Honda) in the next year.
You could not pay me to drive a GM or Chrysler going forward. I’m going to even turn them down when I rent cars on business.
Sugar Land on June 1, 2009 at 9:03 PM
GM. Built Kenyan tough.
Ronnie on June 1, 2009 at 9:05 PM
You got it, after a few years of the “O” in office, and remember, that’s not just a name, it’s a portrait, a high performance package will be a second donkey!
Bikerken on June 1, 2009 at 9:09 PM
“Let’s be completely honest: No
companycountry wants to go through this. But we’re not witnessing the end oftheAmerican car; we’re witnessing the rebirth oftheAmerican car. GeneralMotorsObama needs to start over in order to get politically stronger. There was a time wheneighttwo differentbrandsparties made sense. Not anymore. There was a time when our cost structurecould compete worldwidedid not steal from successive generations. Not anymore. Reinvention is the only way we can fix this, and fix it we will.”PrincipledPilgrim on June 1, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Screw GM, Screw the UAW, Screw the Government/UAW shareholders.
Burn baby burn.
The ex-workers will get payouts in excess of my lifetime savings.
Screw them.
I actually bumped into a UAW employee at the Cincinnati Tea Party on the way back to my car. We talked, mostly him. I was thinking “What the hell are you doing here at a tea party? You are the cause of the damn thing in the first place.”
Entitlement-minded overweight losers.
Let GM die out. I’ll take my chances with Honda and Toyota and plants in the South.
Sapwolf on June 1, 2009 at 9:16 PM
My 1999 Honda kicks on anything coming out of Detroit for the same money.
Kicks it!
Sapwolf on June 1, 2009 at 9:17 PM
buy Toyota – no UAW – no Barky Obummer
bill30097 on June 1, 2009 at 9:17 PM
My hubby still has his ’81 Datsun 280Z he bought new shortly after landing his first big engineering job after college. He drove the heck out of it and the paint/interior looks like crap, but the sucker still runs okay.
He recently bought a second ’81 Z for a verrry reasonable price from a friend who was moving overseas. This one has a near flawless paint/interior and still runs nice. He also drives a little Ford Focus sport. He didn’t care for the idea at first, but he’s had no trouble with it at all. He’ll probably replace it with a nice truck, either Ford or Japanese, when it finally dies.
I was raised in a Ford family so I have no trouble NEVER buying a GM or Chrysler vehicle. I’ve bought new then drove them into the ground, usually around 150K miles.
When my current 2004 Ford Focus Wagon – yeah, yeah, so it’s a Mom-mobile :P – finally dies, I’m going to get the Mustang of my dreams. :)
Kirin on June 1, 2009 at 9:20 PM
What an ad campaign.
“We suck. But, with your money, we stayed in business. Now buy our stuff.”
We could solve the energy crisis with all the people spinning in their graves.
Merovign on June 1, 2009 at 9:21 PM
Loving my Acura TL more and more each day. 270 Horsies, 30mpg on the highway…..fast and cool!
Dpet on June 1, 2009 at 9:23 PM
My wife is looking to buy a new mid sized SUV. She likes the GMC Acadia and wanted to me to go test drive it with her. I told her over my dead rotting corpse will you give GM a dime.
angryed on June 1, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Not wishing ill on anyone, but I’ve heard that these Obama cars won’t be nearly as safe as existing cars.
If the only buyers of the Obama cars are Obama supporters, could this end up being a matter left to natural selection?
BuckeyeSam on June 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM
smellthecoffee on June 1, 2009 at 9:35 PM
Same here. I don’t think I’ll ever buy an American car. And I have a better conscience buying from the Japanese than from the thugs in Detroit.
Tzetzes on June 1, 2009 at 9:38 PM
I’m going to keep buying Ford products, and remember Ford owns the following companies (its not just the Blue Oval brand):
1. Ford
2. Lincoln
3. Mercury
4. Volvo
5. ~14% stake in Mazda
Ford did the right thing starting three years ago in streamlining their production and brands (selling off 20% stake in Mazda and their complete stakes in Land Rover and Jaguar). Bill Ford started them down this road, an unpopular decision at the time, but now seems to have paid off as Ford announced they’re about to see a 10% increase in production this year.
And here I was going to buy a new Camero or Challenger, but no more. Another Mustang will grace our stables later this year.
smfoushee on June 1, 2009 at 9:43 PM
They’ll have to pry the keys to my clunker from my cold, dead hands.
jimmy2shoes on June 1, 2009 at 9:45 PM
It will start with a cash incentive and quickly turn into a law.
Bikerken on June 1, 2009 at 9:48 PM
This is going to be Obama’s Iraq.
btw – I love my Hummer and have a nice Jeep Commander, but will never buy a GM or Chrysler product again.
I’ve been a Chrysler and GM customer for almost 40 years, I have had numerous GM/Chrysler trucks, SUV’s and drove Mopar for decades as well and they just lost me for good.
Enjoy Obama’s crappy tiny clown cars. Just pray that you don’t get into an collision with my Hummer.
TexasJew on June 1, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Our tax dollars at work: a craptastic, expensive, 60 seconds of gauzy LIES.
PattyJ on June 1, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Doesn’t Ford make the Nissan trucks or is it Mazda? Regardless, I’ve owned one of each and my old Nissan Altima was the cats pajamas and my Miata, well what can I say, it’s the best valued roadster ever built.
Knucklehead on June 1, 2009 at 10:08 PM
I’ll still buy a Camaro. I want one. I intend to have it. And if I could get away with it I’d use it to do doughnuts on the White House lawn.
Dukeboy01 on June 1, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Actually, Nissan had a partnership with Dodge to build the next Titan. Don’t know what the status of that deal is, but that was the plan prior to Chrysler’s bankruptcy. It’s still a go as far as I know.
Dukeboy01 on June 1, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Mrs. Attila and I just bought a Toyota on Sunday.
Previous cars: Honda, Toyota, Subaru. Last American brand car was in 2000.
The ad was totally pathetic, by the way.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on June 1, 2009 at 10:13 PM
I’ll buy a Chrysler or GM when Obama and the UAW are not involved.
Star20 on June 1, 2009 at 10:28 PM
I’ve got a 2003 Ford Expedition…big, comfortable, safe.
Hubby’s got a 2004 Ford F150 FX4…goes anywhere, plenty of horsepower.
And the best part? They’re both paid for.
If and when I buy again, it’ll be used, private party, for CASH.
uncivilized on June 1, 2009 at 10:29 PM
But your a new yawker AP, what would you do with a vehicle. But if you must, buy a Tundra pick up truck. Built in Texas by free Texans. By Free I mean not beholding to a corrupt union or an oppressive federal overlord.
conservnut on June 1, 2009 at 10:33 PM
New Ford ad – mocking GM and Chrysler as the new Trabant.
DerKrieger on June 1, 2009 at 10:47 PM
If I had to buy tomorrow, I’d buy Toyota. Or a Lotus Esprit, if I had the cash.
MadisonConservative on June 1, 2009 at 10:48 PM
C’mon it’s easy peasy, the admin will make it so attractive (practically free) for ones that can’t to buy these cars they will flood the market. THINK.
I’ll go Ford or keep my Mazda, as always, in shape and paid off thank you.
They are so past innovative in their agenda for us. Please. I call it transparency. LOL.
seesalrun on June 1, 2009 at 10:51 PM
I see a Camaro in that ad.
Phew.
Reaps on June 1, 2009 at 10:56 PM
I’ve driven Chevy’s, Honda’s and Toyota’s. Always hated FORD. But… Next car is going to be a FORD.
James on June 1, 2009 at 10:57 PM
It’ll be a cold day in hell before I ever buy an American car. I’ve had two VWs and a Nissan, and they’ve mostly been great. My Saturn was a piece of crap (“Hey, you’ve gone 10,000 miles! Time for a new alternator!”) Had a Ford pickup that was OK, but I’m sure that a Toyota pickup would be equally good.
Farmer_Joe on June 1, 2009 at 10:58 PM
So Obama is going to change management and ultimately succeed, or..?
Reaps on June 1, 2009 at 11:00 PM
“The only chapter we’re focused on is Chapter 1″ they say on the day they file Chapter 11. Brilliant.
Pablo on June 1, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Yup, I’d either buy Ford or foreign.
OneGyT on June 1, 2009 at 11:09 PM
We’ll see if the libs line up to buy cars from their fearless leader. I think not. They will buy foreign like they have for years.
echosyst on June 1, 2009 at 11:19 PM
I’m just waiting for the day when GM decides to close a factory in a politically-connected area and someone in Congress is going to try to pull strings to get them to stop. It wouldn’t surprise me if Congress is just salivating to use this company, once the largest manufacturer in the US, as their own private goody bag to hand out favors to constituents and special interests.
furytrader on June 1, 2009 at 11:33 PM
From a Crap President to a Crap Sandwich of a Stimulus to Craptasticly monstrous budget deficit to Crapmobiles….we are so deep in sh!t in this country we won’t even notice.
BillaryMcBush on June 1, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Some where a dog vomits.
JellyToast on June 1, 2009 at 11:44 PM
This was a shisters ad; lot of subilminal imagery, lot of base to add authority to the sound track, probably more that we are not of aware of hearing, and the smell of fear and hoplessness that like everything eles this administration touches, it turns to sh_t.
I was recently reading a comparision of the 10 worse GM cars produced. The Volt was the latest. It is a plug in electric car. The battery alone cost $35,000 to make. Now I hear that they intend to make it part of the new GM lineup and are worried that the $40,000 price tag might deter people from buying it. Some will as there is a fool born every minute. Wish them luck finding insurance for it and even more if they still own it when the battery dies. Imagine what it will cost to dispose of that battery. One of the dirty little secrets of going green is that it cost more than three times what it cost us now with what we have, and the benifit is questionalble at best.
Franklyn on June 1, 2009 at 11:54 PM
AP seems to have found some sort of powerful second wind since the asinine O’Reilly cheap shot and the sad and scary assassination of Tiller in Kansas. His post-mortem on GM is simply perfect, culminating in this jewel:
Indeed. I will be buying a Ford in 2009, and sending a copy of the purchase order to all of my favorite Democrat-Socialists. I hope Ford outsells them 2 to 1 this year.
Jaibones on June 2, 2009 at 12:05 AM
Amen!
PrincipledPilgrim on June 2, 2009 at 12:06 AM
Oh, and for those who are feeling ambivalent about the media’s strange new respect for the economy and for a bunch of know-nothing administration tax cheats, let this news sober you.
Jaibones on June 2, 2009 at 12:09 AM
So let me get this right. Taxpayers now own a government run car manufacturer, whose cars these same taxpayers are expected to buy. Does this mean then, that if all the cars coming off the line are already +/-70% owned by the taxpayer, we can expect “citizen-prices” for the +/-30% balance owing?
I been edu-ma-cated in publicly funded Liberal Arts Math, and I’m trying my compassionate damndest to empathize the numbers into some semblance more dignified than utterly laughable. But that feel-good liberal glow just ain’t happening here.
But there’s always Hope, right. No doubt, Timmy will be presenting the numbers on this New Math for Taxpayers sometime never.
Hey GM, keep the Change, and thanks for nothing.
orville on June 2, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Gotta love it.
“We just ruined the retirement investments of millions of middle income Americans, and we’re playing stupid advertising word games, for fun! What a great country!”
Jaibones on June 2, 2009 at 12:12 AM
They’re closing a big assembly plant in Wilmington, Delaware! So much for that hands-on VP Joe Biden!
rockmom on June 2, 2009 at 12:26 AM
I’m still in a ’92 Explorer. Ford RULES!
John the Libertarian on June 2, 2009 at 12:39 AM
Automotive Business Model for 2010 and Beyond:
As we all know that we’ll be getting lots of new regulations dictating the performance of cars that will severely hinder their safety and performance, I suggest that some brave car company look to the PC business and, instead of selling cars, sell the parts separately. You will not be buying a car. Instead, you will buy a chassis, an engine, a transmission, wheels, etc. Then, once you have bought these items, a separate, independent company (which you have conveniently partnered and integrated your website with) is brought in to assemble your creation. It may take a good deal of creative engineering to design components that can be so easily swapped around, and there will probably have to be some conceivable combination that would meet all the future requirements for legal purposes, but hopefully all the smart engineers haven’t already fled to greener pastures.
JSchuler on June 2, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Obama and his adminstration will be judged in 2010 for two bellwethers: the stimulus, and the nationalizing of banks and the automative industry.
Their little experiments better start paying dividends soon.
John the Libertarian on June 2, 2009 at 12:52 AM
Exactly where I am. Never owned a foreign car. First a GM, then a Chrysler, and now I’m on my second Ford, purchased right after the bailouts began in earnest.
Patrick on June 2, 2009 at 12:56 AM
All we need now is a mausoleum in DC with some long dead Marxist patriarch perfectly preserved for us to queue up to view, especially on May Day!
Dr. ZhivBlago on June 2, 2009 at 12:59 AM
I drive Ford. I’m gonna get me a pic of him and put it on the front of my truck anyway. I like your thinking.
ericdijon on June 2, 2009 at 3:47 AM
My husband and I have driven nothing but GM products for most of our married life (28 years). He owns 2 pickups, a Chevy extended cab and a GMC regular cab truck, I drive a Bonneville. Both of our daughters and their spouses drive GM.
If we had to buy tomorrow, we would buy Ford.
SueM on June 2, 2009 at 5:53 AM
Yikes. At the beginning I thought the video was a satire… but it’s straight-up.
How degrading really.
How is any of this Constitutional? A atupid pointless question I realize.
In my life (I’m 33) i’ve owned a
74 Ford Grenada
84 Chrysler LeBaron
93 Ford Thunderbird
98 Chevy Monte Carlo
I will never buy another GM or Chrysler car in my life.
VinceP1974 on June 2, 2009 at 7:09 AM
FORD IS THE ONLY AMERICAN CAR I WILL EVER BUY AGAIN!!!
thmcbb on June 2, 2009 at 7:39 AM
Theres a whole bunch of subtle crap in that propaganda piece.
Right before that, there is the picture of the hockey player knocked down..with the voice over stating something about no longer being able to compete..and the helping hand is coming from the opposing team.
The opposing team in my view, are the unions, the whining liberal victims club, and anti good business mandates from the liberal/leftie social engineers in the legislature…….but sadly enough, the biggest offender is the passive and gullible populace that let it happen under their noses.
Itchee Dryback on June 2, 2009 at 8:42 AM
LOL Reminds me of a joke someone sent me.
The Government created the O stamp but almost immediately started getting calls that the stamp wouldn’t stick to anything. So they spend $37 million studying the glue on the stamp to figure out why people were having a problem getting it to stick. Still nothing. Finally the government in desperation used one of those studies where they actually watch people perform actions to see what’s going wrong.
The report back to the government was: nothing at all wrong with the glue on the stamp. Users were spitting on the wrong side of the stamp.
katablog.com on June 2, 2009 at 8:59 AM
Yeah, kinda made up my mind to buy a Mustang instead of one of the new Camaros.
Why buy a GM car now? You’re getting stuck with paying twice for a car. You’re forking over the tax dough we already (and will continue to give) GM, then your gonna lay down another 30-40K for a car?
catmman on June 2, 2009 at 10:12 AM
I really liked the new Camaro when I first saw it, but after all this I cannot justify a GM or even Chrysler.
Too bad Saturn didn’t stay independent after they broke from GM. =/
eforhan on June 2, 2009 at 10:34 AM
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