GM enters bankruptcy, creditors howl

posted at 12:35 pm on June 1, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The US will end up with a majority stake in General Motors after it exits bankruptcy, if a judge sides with the Obama administration and the taxpayers pony up another $30 billion in subsidies.  The Obama administration says that no further bailouts will be required, but the investment will result in the federal government owning 60% of the restructured GM for its total of $50 billion in cash infusions since last fall.  Creditors want to derail the plan, not because of the government stake, but because of the UAW’s eventual stake in the company:

Under the proposed restructuring, about 60 percent of the new GM would be owned by the United States, about 12 percent by the governments of Canada and Ontario, a union health trust would own 17.5 percent, and the company’s current bondholders would get 10 percent.

But as the administration builds the case for another massive infusion of government money into the automaker, it is also dealing separately with accusations that its plan unfairly favors the United Auto Workers at the expense of the company’s investors.

The fairness issue will be central as the GM bankruptcy case goes before a judge this week: Does the government-sponsored restructuring plan equitably accommodate all of the company’s stakeholders?

The essential issue isn’t fairness, it’s legal and financial equity.  We saw this during the Chrysler bankruptcy as well, when senior creditors got intimidated into accepting far less per dollar than Fiat and the UAW received from the proceeds.  The Obama administration did an end run around long-established laws governing the priority of liquidation of assets in bankruptcies, in order to give a big political payoff to the union.

The White House did the same thing with GM.  Creditors hold $27 billion in notes, for which they will get 10% of the company, or $2.7 billion for every percent of ownership they receive.  The government owns 60% for its investment of $50 billion, a rate of $834 million per percent of ownership.  The UAW has a $20 billion stake in the company, but the settlement would replace that with 17.5% of GM along with $9 billion in notes and preferred stock, according to the Washington Post.  That puts their investment at $11 billion (what they surrender in this process), making their cost per percent of ownership $629 million — by far the lowest of the three major stockholders.

Obama is penalizing the people who invested in GM by devaluing their stake based on whim, not legal or financial rules.  They want to skew the result to favor the union and themselves.  It’s another political bankruptcy, rather than a legal dissolution of a private firm according to well-established contract law.

Hugh Hewitt suggests a long-term solution to such blatantly political interference in business law:

I won’t buy a socialist car, which means I won’t be buying a GM or Chrysler car for as long as the U.S. government owns huge blocks of the companies.

Today’s bankruptcy filing by GM will see the end of a once-great car company and the birth of a federal government-union partnership dressed up as a business.  It won’t work, even with the $50 billion federal tax dollars plowed into the new entity past and present, and not even with the UAW’s “concessions.” …

Buy Ford. Buy Toyota.  Buy anything that isn’t owned and operated by the federal government.  There are plenty of great cars out there.  You don’t have to buy one that costs not just your cash, but also your commitment to free enterprise and all the benefits that flow from it.

Just say no to Government Motors, and to the rush to corporatism and socialism that the Obama administration has pushed.

Update II: Keith Hennessey has the basics on GM and the deal.  Think of it as your personal Presidential briefing; he does a great job of dispassionately laying out the facts.

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The 31-Year-Old in Charge of Dismantling G.M.
by David E. Sanger
Monday, June 1, 2009

provided by
The New York Times

It is not every 31-year-old who, in a first government job, finds himself dismantling General Motors and rewriting the rules of American capitalism.

But that, in short, is the job description for Brian Deese, a not-quite graduate of Yale Law School who had never set foot in an automotive assembly plant until he took on his nearly unseen role in remaking the American automotive industry.

Nor, for that matter, had he given much thought to what ailed an industry that had been in decline ever since he was born. A bit laconic and looking every bit the just-out-of-graduate-school student adjusting to life in the West Wing — “he’s got this beard that appears and disappears,” says Steven Rattner, one of the leaders of President Obama’s automotive task force — Mr. Deese was thrown into the auto industry’s maelstrom as soon the election-night parties ended.

“There was a time between Nov. 4 and mid-February when I was the only full-time member of the auto task force,” Mr. Deese, a special assistant to the president for economic policy, acknowledged recently as he hurried between his desk at the White House and the Treasury building next door. “It was a little scary.”

Hope you enjoyed it as much as I did.

JiangxiDad on June 1, 2009 at 12:40 PM

I won’t be in the market for a car for a while but you can bet your backside that, not only will I not buy a car made by Government Motors, I will also never again buy a car touched by a member of the UAW. Sorry, Ford, I guess this lets you out as well.

GISAP on June 1, 2009 at 12:40 PM

The Obama administration says that no further bailouts will be required,

Since when has the Obama administration stuck to facts and record for their troothfulness?

maverick muse on June 1, 2009 at 12:41 PM

GM has been killed. The remaining loyal customers they had will be turned off by a government owned company. The libs abandoned GM long ago in terms of their choice of vehicles.

echosyst on June 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM

i don’t care if no further subsidies are needed. i say don’t give them the mentioned $30 billion at all. period.

just stop it.

i want to scream

kelley in virginia on June 1, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Sorry, Ford, I guess this lets you out as well.

GISAP on June 1, 2009 at 12:40 PM

If I were Ford, I’d sell the co. to the Chinese gov’t. They have a history of knowing how to deal with workers, and they have plenty of spare dollars, and they have much cheap labor. The US gov’t has announced open season on Ford by acting as direct competitors, and because of the UAW’s ownership of Ford’s competitors. I hope the Ford family and stockholders can find a buyer who knows how to be as ruthless as the Obamites.

JiangxiDad on June 1, 2009 at 12:44 PM

What idiot would buy one of these cars anyway…their product line is already crap…it’s not going to get better. The only way they’ll sell any cars is the heavily subsidize the retail price (with tax dollars) and undercut the competition on price alone.

AUINSC on June 1, 2009 at 12:44 PM

This is truly a sad sad day.

Unions are supposed to represent workers, not own the coporations that workers get their jobs from.

The teamsters is pushing their members to call their representatives, to ask plead for the FOCA. This won’t benefit workers, this will only benefit unions. It’s not about the workers getting a fair shake. It’s about unions gaining power.

If any of this GM mess benefits workers…think again. Thousands stand to lose their jobs, because of Government interference.

Now…how many union workers voted for THIS change?

capejasmine on June 1, 2009 at 12:44 PM

I’ll repeat here my earlier post: What do UAW workers at Ford do? They are now competing with their union, who owns the two domestic competitors of their employer.

Vashta.Nerada on June 1, 2009 at 12:45 PM

I like the Toyotas and Hondas I own/have owned just fine. Even sweeter is the knowledge that not a penny of my money ended up with the UAW.

bill30097 on June 1, 2009 at 12:45 PM

This all worked out so well for the British car companies, what could go wrong?

reaganaut on June 1, 2009 at 12:45 PM

British Leyland anyone?

daesleeper on June 1, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Let us hope this is YET ANOTHER overreach by the West Left Wing that conservatives can hammer them on in 2010 and 2012.

John the Libertarian on June 1, 2009 at 12:48 PM

The biggest problem will be that the government won’t allow Ford to continue “ungoverned”. And the government will make it too difficult to buy an import that doesn’t have the government’s stamp. Soon enough, all we will HAVE access to will be “government vehicles”.

MBuck on June 1, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I drive a six year old Ford Pickup, my wife drives a nine year old Honday Odyssey. My next purchase will be a Ford or a Honda. I am more inclined to buy Ford now because they did NOT take the handout, and they will now be forced to compete with the government-subisidized “do whatever you want, we’ve got your back” company known as GM.

Support FORD.

cannonball on June 1, 2009 at 12:48 PM

It is not every 31-year-old who, in a first government job, finds himself dismantling General Motors and rewriting the rules of American capitalism.

But that, in short, is the job description for Brian Deese, a not-quite graduate of Yale Law School

What is it with Ivy League Schools? Isn’t their track record of running the government bad enough to warrant a multi-decade ban?

WashJeff on June 1, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I like the Toyotas and Hondas I own/have owned just fine. Even sweeter is the knowledge that not a penny of my money ended up with the UAW.

bill30097 on June 1, 2009 at 12:45 PM

I feel the same way about my Nissan’s and Mazda, but card check can easily flip this on it’s head. Auto shopping in the future will be harder than ever. We’ll look like Cuba in a few years. :-(

ladyingray on June 1, 2009 at 12:49 PM

My only question is:
Do I get to write off GM and Chrysler as dependents on my next tax return? Because they piss my money away and I got nothing in return.

mjk on June 1, 2009 at 12:49 PM

I bought an HHR in september. I am now regretting that decision. It will be Ford for me from here on out.

loudmouth883 on June 1, 2009 at 12:49 PM

It’s a worker’s paradise! But I wonder how much of a distinction should be made between this case and Chrysler, since the bondholders getting screwed here hold unsecured claims. I forget whether pension liabilities get any priority under the bankruptcy code; my understanding is that with limited exception (contributions made within 180 days of the petition date), pension liabilities are unsecured too.

Outlander on June 1, 2009 at 12:49 PM

If I were Ford, I’d sell the co. to the Chinese gov’t.

JiangxiDad on June 1, 2009 at 12:44 PM

I think that’s a GREAT idea, but Obama would probably block it. He doesn’t need any LAW to do so. He can do whatever he wants. He’s now dictator of the US.

Daggett on June 1, 2009 at 12:50 PM

I’ll repeat here my earlier post: What do UAW workers at Ford do?

Several things:

They target Ford for work stoppages, etc. when UAW contract negotiation come up again.

They work to ensure Ford’s bankruptcy, so that the Feds can come in again and ensure pension and health benefits.

The car co’s are merely vehicles to redistribute wealth to the unions–producing vehicles and making a profit is not important–in fact, it might be counterproductive. I think it is paramount for the unions and Obama that Ford fail.

JiangxiDad on June 1, 2009 at 12:50 PM

I’ll be driving my Ford Escort wagon until it falls apart. However, when I am ready to buy again, I won’t feed the UAW.

moonsbreath on June 1, 2009 at 12:50 PM

I can just imagine the railings in the media if President Bush had dumped so much of the taxpayer’s earnings into a corporation. Screams of the rich stroking the rich and ties to Halliburton. Yet with the newly elected communist leadership at the helm, buying failed corporations with working stiffs’ taxes is a good thing.

What do welfare lifers and GM have in common? Obama’s desire to keep handing them cash they didn’t earn.

Hening on June 1, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Seems a fair amount of police cars and government supplied automobiles are Fords. Ford can kiss those contracts goodbye.

sybilll on June 1, 2009 at 12:51 PM

The US will end up with a majority stake in General Motors after it exits bankruptcy, if a judge sides with the Obama administration

Yeah. If.

BWA-HA-HA-HA-ha!

Funny stuff, Ed.

snickelfritz on June 1, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Soon enough, all we will HAVE access to will be “government vehicles”.

MBuck on June 1, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Volks wagon.

Heil Obama.

JiangxiDad on June 1, 2009 at 12:51 PM

I seem to recall that the total capitalization of GM was under $2 billion around the middle of last year.

It would have been really nice had some hard-nosed, self-interested, patriotic billionaire taken the company private, annihilated the union contracts via bankruptcy or threats thereof, turned it into a viable concern, and spared the rest of us this insanity.

I mighta bought one of their cars then.

Troll Feeder on June 1, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Support FORD!!!

portlandon on June 1, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I’m so glad it’s not McCain doing all this. At least we have a small chance of taking the country back.

LibTired (KO) on June 1, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I think that’s a GREAT idea, but Obama would probably block it. He doesn’t need any LAW to do so. He can do whatever he wants. He’s now dictator of the US.

Daggett on June 1, 2009 at 12:50 PM

China can buy a minority stake. Even that douche Obama knows enough not to threaten his banker. Ironically, China can save an independent Am. automaker imo.

JiangxiDad on June 1, 2009 at 12:54 PM

If any of this GM mess benefits workers…think again. Thousands stand to lose their jobs, because of Government interference.
capejasmine on June 1, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Well, our Precedent already admitted in his speech this morning that thousands of jobs would be lost……..after he blamed this mess on Bush.

The reality is that GM has been in trouble for over 30 years and did this to themselves. They’ve built junk cars and could never figure out how to build a decent 4 cylinder car to compete with Toyota, Honda etc.

Oh yeah, and Ford is now toast. They won’t be able to compete when Government Motors sells off their junk at rock bottom prices.

Knucklehead on June 1, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Beyond the obvious auto manufacturing and sales industry, GM has LONG been in the banking business financing global industrial B2B credit, not to mention the auto industry.

We are witnessing the Marxist piracy from education and banks to all industry, GM, Chrysler, the media, health care and medical industry, state governments…

How much worse a symbolic gift could Hillary have given the Russians than a pathetic “reset” forfeit button? Pravda is mocking our lunacy as we assume the position to be raped, victimized by our nation’s authorities.

The Constitution is our only focal rallying point, regardless of degree of political discontent.

Obama refuses to accept GM as a permanent ward of the state. He’ll trade it off to China for the leverage Obama lacks in seeking more credit for more debt.

maverick muse on June 1, 2009 at 12:55 PM

I bought an HHR in september. I am now regretting that decision. It will be Ford for me from here on out.

loudmouth883 on June 1, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Brave soul to admit this in public! ;-D

GISAP on June 1, 2009 at 12:55 PM

I think it is paramount for the unions and Obama that Ford fail.

JiangxiDad on June 1, 2009 at 12:50 PM

I think it is paramount for Ford to let the union strike, then fire all the union workders, and bring in non-union workers to build their cars. Laws don’t matter to the administration, they shouldn’t matter to Ford. What are they going to do, send in troops to keep the scabs out?

Vashta.Nerada on June 1, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Soon enough, all we will HAVE access to will be “government vehicles”.

MBuck on June 1, 2009 at 12:48 PM

New 2010 line-up

Chrysler Imperialist
Chevy Iwon
Cadillac Michelle de’Elegance
Buick Pennsylvania Avenue

portlandon on June 1, 2009 at 12:56 PM

And GMAC’s access to TARP funds means its cost of funds is much lower than Ford’s and they can finance customers easily and cheaply. The gov’t will in effect subsidize buyers of GM cars. Ford’s customers on the other hand will have to pay market rates for their car loans.

JiangxiDad on June 1, 2009 at 12:58 PM

I can’t wait to see an obama era high speed chase….two hybrids barreling down the street, a little old man in a walker passing them both on the sidewalk.

I’m going to make sure our Nissan and Jeep, a gas guzzler, stay in top shape. No lawnmowers for me.

HornetSting on June 1, 2009 at 12:58 PM

And who in their right mind will trust a GM or Chrysler guarantee? It’s a contract, and we now know how the current administration views contracts.

LibraryGryffon on June 1, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Cadillac Michelle de’Elegance

portlandon on June 1, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Does this model come with a ‘double trunk’ option?

HornetSting on June 1, 2009 at 12:59 PM

I think it is paramount for Ford to let the union strike, then fire all the union workders, and bring in non-union workers to build their cars. Laws don’t matter to the administration, they shouldn’t matter to Ford. What are they going to do, send in troops to keep the scabs out?

Vashta.Nerada on June 1, 2009 at 12:56 PM

It’s one contract for all three companies, right? If (lol) GM and Chrysler agree, and Ford holds out, I assume Bambi’s thugs will go after Ford. It’s not worth it. Ford might be better off considering an exit strategy. How anyone can survive as a competitor of the gov’t under this administration is questionable.

JiangxiDad on June 1, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Oh yeah, and Ford is now toast. They won’t be able to compete when Government Motors sells off their junk at rock bottom prices.

Knucklehead on June 1, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Ford’s only salvation would be to go into bankruptcy on their own terms when that time comes, and in the reorganization, hire NON-UNION labor. Divorce from organized labor all together. All of the worker rights that initially legitimized any labor organization have been legislated. The unions themselves are redundant now, and an excessively abusive bureaucracy.

maverick muse on June 1, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Does this model come with a ‘double trunk’ option?

HornetSting on June 1, 2009 at 12:59 PM

You’ve got to have something to fit all that junk, all that junk, all that junk in THAT trunk.

portlandon on June 1, 2009 at 1:01 PM

I agree. As long as the car company is held by the organizations that played major roles in bankrupting it (US government – CAFE standards, and the UAW), I will never buy a GM or a Chrysler car.

I own Ford stock, and expect them to be able to come out of this as the only American auto company. At the rate their stock is going, they’ll be able to pay off their VEBA requirement in cash by the end of the year. Once VEBA is contractually satisfied, the sky is the limit for Ford.

I’ll buy a Hyundai before I buy a Chrysler or GM product.

ThackerAgency on June 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM

I love my GMC SUV. I refuse to buy another “newly manufactured one”. Prices of used cars is going to skyrocket. I’m buying a Hyundai or Toyota. Ford is not my cup of tea, Fix Or Repair Daily (owned two of them and no more). This Obama is a real piece of work.

suzyk on June 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Ford or foreign(Toyota or Honda, I think) for me.

blr2449 on June 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Seems a fair amount of police cars and government supplied automobiles are Fords. Ford can kiss those contracts goodbye.

sybilll on June 1, 2009 at 12:51 PM

The Precedent already mentioned that in his speech this morning. They’re going to upgrade the entire government fleet.

Knucklehead on June 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Buy Ford. Buy Toyota. Buy anything that isn’t owned and operated by the federal government. There are plenty of great cars out there. You don’t have to buy one that costs not just your cash, but also your commitment to free enterprise and all the benefits that flow from it.

I would not have ever bought a junk GM or a junk Chrysler again anyway. Now just all the more reason not to.

BRAND RATINGS

Consumer Reports gives each auto maker a report card based on the reliability of its models and scores from vehicle tests. The grades are on a 100-point scale:

Honda: 78
Subaru: 75
Toyota: 74
Mazda: 73
Mercedes-Benz: 72
Nissan: 72
Volkswagen: 72
BMW: 72
Hyundai: 70
Volvo: 65
Mitsubishi: 64
Ford: 63
Suzuki: 60
General Motors: 57
Chrysler: 48

MB4 on June 1, 2009 at 1:03 PM

I’m so glad it’s not McCain doing all this. At least we have a small chance of taking the country back.

LibTired (KO) on June 1, 2009 at 12:53 PM

McCain would have told the UAW to FOAD, and GM would have to go bankrupt the old-fashioned way. Then it could have torn up the UAW contract and done whatever it needed to to get back to making money.

I’m glad GM is dumping Saturn, because I own one.

rockmom on June 1, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Let me say this one more time with emphasis. . .

I’d rather have a Hyundai than a GM or Chrysler vehicle.

ThackerAgency on June 1, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Knucklehead on June 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Perfect! The bankrupt car company is going to sell cars to the bankrupt government who will ‘borrow’ the money from bankrupt citizens. What could go wrong?

Limerick on June 1, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Well, our Precedent already admitted in his speech this morning that thousands of jobs would be lost……..after he blamed this mess on Bush.

Knucklehead on June 1, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Did he happen to mention what a grand time he had in NYC with the lovely Michele Ma Belle?

Thousands of people losing jobs and he’s out on the town being a big spender.

I think I am going to urp.

tru2tx on June 1, 2009 at 1:04 PM

I’ll probably regret this, but I’d really like to plug my GM Obameter dashboard right about here.

LibTired (KO) on June 1, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Ouch… just hit me…

US Gov owns a lot of GM…. but…

is in debt to China…

GM soon to be transfered to Communist Chinese ownership?

Romeo13 on June 1, 2009 at 1:05 PM

It’s one contract for all three companies, right?

JiangxiDad on June 1, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Three seperate contracts, with similar terms and identical time frames. Generally the UAW hits one firm per renewal period, and gets their best deal, then hands a copy of the agreement to the other two and demands identical terms. Now that the UAW owns two of the firms, I don’t see how the workers are workers and owners at the same time.

Vashta.Nerada on June 1, 2009 at 1:05 PM

The biggest problem will be that the government won’t allow Ford to continue “ungoverned”. And the government will make it too difficult to buy an import that doesn’t have the government’s stamp. Soon enough, all we will HAVE access to will be “government vehicles”.

MBuck on June 1, 2009 at 12:48 PM

After UAW tries to sink Ford, watch son of Smoot-Hawley fall all over the “US” auto industry…

Wanderlust on June 1, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Hmmm, Joe Biden couldn’t save that plant in Wilmington? Interesting…

rockmom on June 1, 2009 at 1:05 PM

The UAW is beholden to Obama. If the word gets out to destroy Ford’s quality, you can bet it will happen. They will be driven into bankruptcy and Uncle Barry will gobble them up. Onerous regulations will dry up the used car market. As stated in comments above, card check will put the UAW in every auto plant still in the US. Choice, as you once knew it, will cease to exist. And we haven’t even started on FOCA and universal healthcare yet! Dear God in heaven, what have we done?

SKYFOX on June 1, 2009 at 1:06 PM

“about 12 percent by the governments of Canada and Ontario,”

Isn’t that kind of like “the governments of the United States and California?”

Star20 on June 1, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Bambi will kill Ford, Honda and Toyota. How? Pass regulations that will make their cars very expensive while GM is “exempt” as a govt agency. It’s coming. Don’t cross the Bambi unions.

faol on June 1, 2009 at 1:06 PM

I’d rather have a Hyundai than a GM or Chrysler vehicle.

ThackerAgency on June 1, 2009 at 1:03 PM

My Santa Fe works quite well, thank you. And it was assembled in Montgomery, Alabama.

Mr. D on June 1, 2009 at 1:06 PM

We need a president that has empathy for the people who invest in businesses and attempt to make them great instead of always siding with those that bring them down.

Jdripper on June 1, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Real Americans love a winner like Honda, Subaru, Toyota and Mazda and will not keep tolerating losers like GM and Chrysler. That’s why real Americans have never kept buying losers, and will never keep buying losers … because the very thought of continuing to buy losers is hateful to real Americans.
- “Channeling” George S. Patton

MB4 on June 1, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Dear Ford,

I’ll work for 1/2 Union wage, bring my lunch, and work any shift.

Call me

Sincerely,

Limerick on June 1, 2009 at 1:09 PM

I’ll repeat here my earlier post: What do UAW workers at Ford do? They are now competing with their union, who owns the two domestic competitors of their employer.

Vashta.Nerada on June 1, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Fords union workers are also now in direct competition with GM union’s partners- the U.S Government. One has it’s own printing presses, ie no cash flow problems. This whole debacle is a conflict of interest.

Rovin on June 1, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Gm has a profitable division operating in Shanghai? Who knew? Who’s gonna get that puppy?

Remember all the fuss about Pelosi, the torture briefings, what did she know and when did she know it? Where did she go? Shanghai! Looks like it worked, ‘cuz all the fuss has ended, and she’ll be keeping her day job.

Remember all the trial balloons about ‘good’ GM brands and ‘bad’ GM brands? Hows that gonna shake out? Fiat gets the good stuff, China gets the good stuff, and GM US turns into a zombie, parts suppliers go bankrupt, unemployment in Michigan goes to 25% or higher.

You UAW members are all ‘gonna have to sacrifice for the good of your children and grand children’ according to the announcement by Obama. I guess that means some of you go on unemployment, and the rest of you have to keep on working those $75 (USD) jobs.

Skandia Recluse on June 1, 2009 at 1:09 PM

So, GM announced 21,000 job cuts and some plant closings. It’ll be VERY interesting to see WHICH jobs and which plants are ended. Will Obama and UAW keep open newer, more efficient non-union plants?

hawksruleva on June 1, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Oh yeah, and Ford is now toast. They won’t be able to compete when Government Motors sells off their junk at rock bottom prices.

Knucklehead on June 1, 2009 at 12:54 PM

It’s hard to compete with a company that doesn’t care how much money it loses.

MarkTheGreat on June 1, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Ford’s customers on the other hand will have to pay market rates for their car loans.

JiangxiDad on June 1, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Is there any way that Ford could lobby to “regulate” a uniform US credit rate for domestic autos? GM is supposed to be paying back the tax payer for the bail-outs.

maverick muse on June 1, 2009 at 1:11 PM

I’d rather have a Hyundai than a GM or Chrysler vehicle.

ThackerAgency on June 1, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Hyundai makes some great cars, at a low price, and backs them with a great warranty.

Of course, they may stop doing all that once they’re part of North Korea…

hawksruleva on June 1, 2009 at 1:12 PM

It’s hard to compete with a company that doesn’t care how much money it loses.

MarkTheGreat on June 1, 2009 at 1:11 PM

What will be the general reaction from foreign auto makers?

maverick muse on June 1, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Mrs. Thief and I have owned 14 GM and 10 Chrysler vehicles since that wonderfull day in 1981 when she said “I do”. We now both say I won’t as it relates to UAW built auto’s. On a more serious note the American Free market system is being ripped to shreds in front of our noses. We seem rather laconic about it. The Tea Parties are slowing down. Some of the Tea Parties are being run by Republican groups who fail to recognize that they have almost as much to do with this failure as the Dems.

chicken thief on June 1, 2009 at 1:13 PM

As a 61 year old guy, I just bought my first non-”Big Three” car, an Acura, made in Ohio. I may buy a Ford again, but I’ll never buy another GM or Chrysler.

Star20 on June 1, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Dear Ford,

I’ll work for 1/2 Union wage, bring my lunch, and work any shift.

Call me

Sincerely,

Limerick on June 1, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Yep.

maverick muse on June 1, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Well wait a minute, guess some of you UAW members won’t have to go on unemployment after all. You can get a free car and $20,000 to not work for GM. or maybe you can do both, take the buy out AND go on unemployment.

Skandia Recluse on June 1, 2009 at 1:15 PM

On Tea Parties, we have a month to prepare for celebrations around the 4th of July!

maverick muse on June 1, 2009 at 1:15 PM

I have never owned a non american car in my life and have only owned 2 non GM cars in 27 years of buying cars.
I think I have had enough as well

kangjie on June 1, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Obama lied today. He said he didn’t want to run GM and then tells us he siezed it and put in his own puppets to run it independently. That meas independent from the share holders.

seven on June 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Obama said that he wanted to get out as soon as possible. Of course, no one believes it. How exactly is he going to get the government out and when?

Who’d pay for this boondoggle?

drjohn on June 1, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Gee, I wonder what these guys could build with $50,000,000,000.00:

http://www.teslamotors.com/

tommylotto on June 1, 2009 at 1:21 PM

The Tea Parties are slowing down. Some of the Tea Parties are being run by Republican groups who fail to recognize that they have almost as much to do with this failure as the Dems.

chicken thief on June 1, 2009 at 1:13 PM

I’m afraid the Tea Party movement is history. Not because of the folks who attended and want to keep the movement going. It’s the original folks who started the organizing that can’t get their $hit together. As far as I can tell, the Chicago movement is in total disaray.

I hope someone’s doing a better job elsewhere in the country.

Knucklehead on June 1, 2009 at 1:22 PM

All the mandates and regulations this administration has put forth so far have left the public with no choice and no recourse. With the govt. ownership of GM, he is now banking on the American public to support his ideology and actions. Think again, Mr. Obama. Based on a history of capitalism and free market, there are other choices. Obama is about to see where the rubber meets the road.

sherry on June 1, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Obama said that he wanted to get out as soon as possible. Of course, no one believes it. How exactly is he going to get the government out and when?

drjohn on June 1, 2009 at 1:21 PM

He’s going to do that thing. Ya know. With the stuff.

LibTired (KO) on June 1, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Gee, I wonder what these guys could build with $50,000,000,000.00:

http://www.teslamotors.com/

tommylotto on June 1, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Seriously – who COULDN’T build a decent car company with $50 billion? I mean, WTF???

rockmom on June 1, 2009 at 1:29 PM

The Germans learned their lesson with Lufthansa, and so we may too, eventually.

But I’m still not ever going to but a GM (willfully).

bluelightbrigade on June 1, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Umm…Boycott UAW! We won’t buy their USkodas!

ronsfi on June 1, 2009 at 1:40 PM

How can Obama and his thugs break the law in plain sight of everybody, and nobody do anything to stop it? How can a government seize and redistribute property without just compensation when our Constitution forbids it? Who has jurisdiction to throw these thugs in jail?

justincase on June 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM

I will never buy a UAW car again. I always bought American cars too. Never again!

tanmany2k on June 1, 2009 at 1:46 PM

If I was Ford, I would start planning my escape.

Australia would be a possibility.

-Dave

Dave R. on June 1, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Think back. All of this began years ago, long before anybody thought about the housing problem or the auto makers. This drift into socialism and fascism can be traced way back to the 1930′s, if not earlier. Those who are for it have been very patient.

jorb on June 1, 2009 at 1:49 PM

We own four cars, three that drive, all at least ten years old. We were going to sell the ’79 Toyota 4×4 truck (can’t drive it because it won’t pass dumb emission standards), and the ’94 Honda Accord, but with all this auto stuff going on, maybe we’ll hold onto them awhile, at least you can get parts for a foreign car! Other two are a very nice ’99 Infinity SUV that we bought new, and a recent Mazda pick-up truck,that we bought from the “no-longer driving” in-laws. Is uncle Sam going to come after our older foreign cars because they don’t meet their gov’t. standards? Can’t, or don’t want to afford to trade them in for a newby with a monthly payment, but getting a bit worried about this socialism president, and what he may do to force us to get rid of our older cars. Just thinking, with all that Obama is doing……

Love our Japanese made cars!

Susanboo on June 1, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Obama is penalizing the people who invested in GM by devaluing their stake based on whim

and in his quest to redistribute wealth while dismantling the United States capitalist system of economics.

I think I can say with a good deal of safety and some certainty, we’ve yet see political polarization like we will experience over the course of the next few months.

Earlg on June 1, 2009 at 2:06 PM

This seems illegal. I don’t care if the government is the one legalizing the illegality; it is still illegal. It is certainly immoral. I hope, in some way beyond my powerlessness, that this comes back to bite Obama, the Democrats, and the UAW.

AnotherOpinion on June 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM

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