George Tiller murdered
posted at 8:59 pm on May 31, 2009 by Allahpundit
My two thoughts on this: (1) Murder is bad and wrong; (2) blogs will be even more insufferable than usual this week. The cops haven’t confirmed yet that the shooting was political but given Tiller’s infamy for performing late-term abortions plus the fact that he was shot once before, there’s little doubt what the motive was. I wish I could say there are no Bill Ayers types on our side, but I can’t; I wish I could say there are no right-wing nutroots degenerates online cheering them on, but I can’t say that either. As for those who condemn the murder while merrily hoping that he’s burning in hell, let a poor confused atheist ask you this: Isn’t the proper Christian response to any death to pray that God will have mercy on a flawed, fallible sinner, who’s now at last seen the error of his ways? Tiller might have changed his mind about abortion and repented in years to come but his killer’s deprived him of the chance. No prayers that God will take that into consideration?
I’m going to give you guys the benefit of the doubt and leave comments open, but if I see anything in the vein of what LGF has noted, the thread will be shut and offenders summarily banned. If you can’t resist pissing on a man’s grave, doubtless there are other blogs that will accommodate you. Don’t let me down.
Update (Ed): The murder of George Tiller at his church is a heinous crime, without any sense or justice. Regardless of how one feels about George Tiller’s profession, his murderer is nothing more than a domestic terrorist — someone attempting to impose by force a policy that one cannot get in place through democratic means. Tiller’s killer is no better than William Ayers, Kathleen Soliah, and Eric Rudolph, people who attempted to use violence for their extremist ends. Those who value life know that murder is the antithesis of the pro-life movement.
Update: The suspect’s name is Scott Roeder. Circumstantial evidence suggests that the motive was indeed political.
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HA!
Just tell him it wasn’t your idea…
Or you could tell him you read an article that said babies don’t feel pain. I’m sure that will go over big…
katy on May 31, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Goodness. You guys need to step back and stop the handwringing about the political repercussions of this. Good grief the leftists have you all jumping at shadows for no reason. His supporters will of course delight in making hay but they are easily rebuttable hypocrites.
Consider with all of Obama’s crimes so far and the nascent discontent in the country he will cause an explosion he DOES NOT want if he uses this isolated incident as a pretext to; 1) curtail talk radio 2) attack the 2nd Amendment 3) use the Patriot Act to “put anyone away” 4) destroy the pro-life movement.
Ask yourselves would any of these moves a) be justified? (no) and b)cause reactions in the anti Obama populace that he won’t be able to manage? (yes).
We have a wiley criminal in the White House not a stupid one.
elduende on May 31, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Hey that’s a good quote.
therightscoop on May 31, 2009 at 10:21 PM
I have to agree. This is getting over blown. Hell, somewhere, an entire family is being murdered and the people wailing over Tiller’s death won’t give a crap about them.
Blake on May 31, 2009 at 10:21 PM
AprilOrit 10.17pm
Obama in HIS state refused to support the requirement to try to save the life of a baby born alive after a late-term abortion.
From here in London, I saw lots of bad things about Obama, mostly stuff that the MSM failed to report.
But his infanticide votes were, to me at least, appalling.
JohninLondon on May 31, 2009 at 10:21 PM
True but beside the point. That Tiller’s occupation is legal makes no difference – if you believe abortion is murder, then legal murder is still murder.
His own murder is likewise beside the point here.
I want to know why so many people claim sympathy for his death when he himself was such a great cause of death…and not just any deaths, but the deaths of the most helpless among us. Jewish women and children in the Warsaw ghetto? Helpless. But they weren’t as helpless (relatively speaking) as the unborn, and Hitler did not kill them with his own two hands. Tiller make a nice living from exactly that.
splink on May 31, 2009 at 10:21 PM
You give enough money to a church and they’ll overlook just about anything….
repvoter on May 31, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Thanks.
Spirit of 1776 on May 31, 2009 at 10:23 PM
God would have to be the biggest rube in the Universe.
MB4 on May 31, 2009 at 10:23 PM
True that!!!!
blatantblue on May 31, 2009 at 10:23 PM
It’s a meaningless difference. They both could’ve put an end to their rampage (or not started it in the first place) and didn’t. They are morally culpable in the exact same way. That Hitler made the laws while Tiller merely profited from their existence is completely meaningless.
The real difference lies not in morality, but in balls. Hitler had a nutsack the size of the solar system to take on the entire world with just some useless p****es (italy) and crazy mother f***ers (japan) at his side. Tiller just takes on fetuses.
My only issue with comparing abortionists and nazis is that it’s an insult to nazis to compare them to liberal child murderers.
Darth Executor on May 31, 2009 at 10:24 PM
You forgot to mention that he was hired by their mothers and caretakers….
AprilOrit on May 31, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Oh, the line I hear all the time regarding murderers by the left, a person’s life can not be judged by only one act and everybody has bad days. So, think any of them will apply the same rationale to this guy? Not on your life!
Please! Because Hitler did not murder the millions of people he murdered with his own two hands doesn’t make him less a murderer.
Blake on May 31, 2009 at 10:24 PM
We both know that just because one ‘attends’ a “Christian” church does not make one a Christian.
thomasaur on May 31, 2009 at 10:24 PM
If my Church had a guy like this for a parishoner, I’d figure I had the green light to lay in bed all day Sunday, because God either doesn’t care, or doesn’t exist.
NoDonkey on May 31, 2009 at 10:24 PM
We won’t agree about the definition of civil society. I accept that abortion is a legal argument. I’m not defending abortion…it is a grotesque sin…but I still don’t believe that killing abortionists solves the problem.
AUINSC on May 31, 2009 at 10:25 PM
After 400 posts, I hope it’s now safe for me to say “Oh well” about the demise of Tiller.
Bishop on May 31, 2009 at 10:25 PM
I’d refine that analogy.
The courts sell the gun..the women pick the victim and Tiller pulled the trigger.
You may not condone it, but you are supporting it by trying to justify it, imo.
Itchee Dryback on May 31, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Amen
sven10077 on May 31, 2009 at 10:25 PM
It is not beside the point, it is the very point.
Weight of Glory on May 31, 2009 at 10:26 PM
There are so many comments coming so quickly it’s hard to keep up, but I just want to make sure this point continues to be made, even if it’s been made before:
You can count the number of murdered abortionists in the United States on the fingers of two hands. Tiller makes 8.
Eight! That’s eight too many, but this is not a trend, and the pro-life movement should not be flogged over this, nor should they have to flog themselves. This is a good and just movement.
You can probably fit the number of “pro-life” whackjobs who think murdering abortionists is a good idea on a single bus.
Do not let lefty opportunists (including their MSM mouthpieces) smear the pro-life movement over this without objection. Do not be cowed by them.
This murderer isn’t welcome in my movement, and neither are anyone else who shares his twisted vision.
Kensington on May 31, 2009 at 10:26 PM
never overlook the human equation in a problem….no man no problem
-Stalin(an Ogabe hero)
sven10077 on May 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM
True. Lest they repent, I believe the mother’s judgment will be even greater when she stands before Christ, the one God has appointed to judge the world. I’m not sure that this was – kind of – the point jetboy was trying to make earlier…maybe I read him wrong, but both are to blame, imo.
splink on May 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM
I agree.
ladyingray on May 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Thank you, AP.
LOL-I wonder if it was Amanda Marcotte?
-Dave
Dave R. on May 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Oh please, not this crap again. The Weather Underground did kill and seriously injure people. Wasn’t their intent? Well, the intent of the bomb that blew up in his girlfriend’s face was to kill and maim soldiers and their wives and girlfriends at a dance at Fort Dix. Fortunately, Ayers’ and his ‘student’s’ incompetence meant that only she and a couple other of his cronies were killed.
ProfessorMiao on May 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Powerpro:
Okay, let me clarify this. A public person or public official is elected (or crowned) to a public office. They are no longer a private citizen. Whether you think Mr. Tiller is public or private is irrelevant. He was not elected to public office. He was a private citizen. Do you think Joe the Plumber is a public person? Of course not, and that’s why Obama’s attack on him was so egregious, and why the snooping by government bureaucrats was illegal. Do you think Rush Limbaugh is a public person? Sorry, he is not. He is also a private citizen, and that’s also why Obama going after him was wrong.
Words have specific, objective meanings, and it’s dangerous to impose subjective interpretations on them. That’s what liberals do all the time to obfuscate. Let’s not emulate their fuzzy thinking.
atheling on May 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Uh, yes, most were totally helpless. This is a crappy analogy. You can certainly argue against abortion without denigrating the suffering of the Jews in the Shoah.
Blake on May 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM
O Blessed Virgin,
Mary, Mother of our Lord,
pray for all sinners.
Dear Lord, I pray You,
in Your infinite mercy,
pardon all sinners.
†
Loxodonta on May 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Remember, Allah and Ed might ban you for this because they are really afraid of O’Reilly.
LOL.
cornfedbubba on May 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM
ASSASSINATION??
he’s not THAT important
allahallahoxenfree on May 31, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Well at least this killer was a felon and did not buy his gun legally. Can you imagine the tilt the MSM would put on this if he had?
conservnut on May 31, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Yep. Also, can we now pretty much declare the guy from LGF to be a non-conservative? I mean, he’s willing to give a huge ammount of ammo to the libs just because of his huge hatred towards christians.
DethMetalCookieMonst on May 31, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Becuase there was already a bill in place in IL to save a baby born alive after a late-term abortion.
Before you come here – as a European and not an American – watch what you say about our President. He isn’t who I voted for, but he is our President, never-the-less.
We don’t like the Russell Brand treatment period, regardless of who is in the White House – my friend.
AprilOrit on May 31, 2009 at 10:28 PM
And I said it does, when exactly?
I’m just saying, a society that legalizes an “abortion” of an infant just inches from being born, shouldn’t get too surprised when they get what happened in Tiller’s church.
A “civil” society can’t pick and choose when it will respect life and when it will dispose of life out of selfish convenience.
Abortion teaches us that life is cheap and disposable when it’s inconvenient. We shouldn’t be surprised when some people have differing interpretations of what is convenient and what is not.
NoDonkey on May 31, 2009 at 10:29 PM
I didn’t realize he was a felon. The left will still politicize this to try and shut down the right.
therightscoop on May 31, 2009 at 10:29 PM
May I say good job to all that educated Mr. Shipley on his mistaken views of Bill Ayers. It would appear that he has beat a strategic retreat.
Cindy Munford on May 31, 2009 at 10:29 PM
He wasn’t denigrating anything.
Darth Executor on May 31, 2009 at 10:29 PM
O, Blessed Virgin,
pray for all who are in shock,
that grace comforts them.
Dearest Sacred Heart,
touch those who witnessed terror,
grace them with Your peace.
†
Loxodonta on May 31, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Blake:
Oh shut up. In no way was splink’s comment denigrating. Get off your faux high horse and grow a brain!
atheling on May 31, 2009 at 10:30 PM
If Killer Tiller’s Killer has anything to do with the pro-life movement we should basically throw him to the dogs. He could set the pro-life movement back decades just by this one act.
Thay being said, Ed: This man is nothing like William Ayers. William Ayers attempted murder of United States Soldiers and goverment employees and actively undermined America’s security.
This murderer is not a terrorist simply because George Tiller has a level of infamy higher than the average person. You don’t even have to murder anyone to be a terrorist, although they do aim for maximum body count. William Ayers never killed anybody only because he was incompetent, not because he didn’t have the intent or the will.
BKennedy on May 31, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Your right. Violence has been trending down.
Blake on May 31, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Like Eric Rudolf, he’s a murderous criminal…either give up on America or condemn him…and be better than the Democrats. Just because they play politics with human life doesn’t mean we have to. I hate them with a purple passion because I know they will politicize it…they are non-entities…moral vacuums…let them be evil. And then we will try to kill them at the polls…if we can’t do it then, then America is lost.
Hell, we are lost…they will win anyway, no matter what we say or do. I’m about to just give up and move to the Philippines.
AUINSC on May 31, 2009 at 10:31 PM
We should weep for this man because he now knows the enormity of what has done. Can you imagine standing before God and seeing your sins for what they are? It’s what we’ll all face someday. Just think about facing God with everything in your life, good or bad. He may have forgiven you your wrongs, but all your actions had consequences, and the personal judgement faced at death is the time when you’ll see them and know what they were.
Now imagine Tiller facing God … learning the results of everything he’s done….
Pray for his soul, and live in fear that you don’t become too proud to see yourself in another human being.
Rosmerta on May 31, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Fair enough. :)
I accept your rationale. It’s well thought out and reasonable.
Thank you for responding.
powerpro on May 31, 2009 at 10:31 PM
At the very least it certainly does immensely devalue the weight of the word “terrorist”. To call an organized group that kills 3,000 and a lone wolf who kills one, by that one same word, is to use the word “terrorist” so broadly as to almost render it meaningless. Similar to calling boiling in oil and waterboarding both by the same word, torture.
MB4 on May 31, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Why would they be afraid of O’Reilly? He kept focus on tiller for a while. He’ll be too busy defending himself to worry about hot air comments.
Darth Executor on May 31, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Dude! Google his name!
Blake on May 31, 2009 at 10:31 PM
I’ve denigrated no one’s sufferings on this thread tonight, not even Tiller’s.
splink on May 31, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Bullsh*t. You have no clue. I despise people who are so freaking morally superior that they just *know* what they would do when they’ve never walked a block in your shoes. I especially love it when a male knows just what he would do if he were a female.
Hey, Dr. Chutzpah – I have a friend whose husband accidentally shot and killed their 13 year old son while out hunting. I’d love to give you her number so you can share your infinite wisdom with her and advise her just what to do and how to deal with it!
Puddleglum on May 31, 2009 at 10:31 PM
If this guy was in my church, I think he might be the only member.
ladyingray on May 31, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Many people are neither utterly “pro-life” not “pro-choice”.
Many see abortion as a regrettable by-product of looser morals.
But Tiller seems to have carried things to the extreme. Which is presumably why he was targetted.
Yes, his murder was evil.
But does that mean that many of his own acts were not evil ?
Or is “evil” a word that does not exist these days.
And I say again, Obama’s refusal as a legislator to vote against infanticide after failed late-term abortions is more truly evil. An evil totally hidden by the MSM.
JohninLondon on May 31, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Go to Ireland or NZ
blatantblue on May 31, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Thanks for showing a newbie to conservative blogs a better place to read and post. (Little Green Footballs) They don’t seem as scary to me as you guys! *runs toward the light*
beekiller on May 31, 2009 at 10:32 PM
So the termination of millions of babies is completely offset by the murder of one elderly doctor?
Rubbish. Anyone who becomes pro-choice over this was lost long ago.
NoDonkey on May 31, 2009 at 10:32 PM
AP…I know us religious folks don’t make much sense to you, but, if you’re going to try and hammer Christians with their own religion, you MIGHT want to get the concepts straight first:
By article of faith, I believe that Tiller, as he was when he died, had a face to face with The One Called I Am.
Now, at THAT point, Tiller had a choice: examine the sins of his life’s work and ask -that’s the important point a lot of you atheists are either completely ignorant of or simply choose to ignore- ask for God’s forgiveness and mercy with a truely contrite heart. Faith does not compell the Christian to simply forgive, it only compells the Christian to forgive those who truely seek forgiveness.
I’m sure Tiller had his moment with God, as surely as we all will at our end, and I’m POSITIVE he was given every chance to answer for his sins before an endlessly loving and merciful God.
I will not pretend to know the outcome to that meeting, however, as such a thing is between Tiller and God ALONE.
As a Christian, all I can do is hope that, upon examining his life’s work, Tiller did indeed seek the forgiveness both of God and the children he murdered over the course of his life.
Final Judgement is the domain of God and God ALONE. It is not for myself or any mortal man to pass and whatever has come to pass has come to pass in the reckoning between Tiller and The Almighty.
Whatever the judgement God passed is not for me nor any other mortal to question either, as I was told, “Thy Will be done.”
SuperCool on May 31, 2009 at 10:32 PM
There’s hardly been enough such violence to trend in either direction. It’s not a violent movement.
Kensington on May 31, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Absolutely, there is no excuse for this murder. Will God take into consideration that Tiller may have repented in years to come but now won’t get that chance? I don’t know, not my place, but I would guess probably no – he’s had quite a long time to come to that realization. As is the case with anyone who dies before repenting of their sins and accepting Jesus as their savior, it can be said that if they had only had more time, they might have changed their ways. I doubt that will be an adequate defense when called upon the celestial carpet to answer for one’s life.
But again, I’m not the one making that call.
Prayers for his soul, and for his family are definitely in order. As are prayers for the soul of the person who took his life.
Midas on May 31, 2009 at 10:33 PM
It is appointed unto men once to die, then judgment.
(I wasn’t the one to bring God into this so…just saying)
splink on May 31, 2009 at 10:34 PM
Are you babtist?
blatantblue on May 31, 2009 at 10:34 PM
No. It is why you go to war with Hitler and try to kill him, while you try to CHANGE the law in the U.S. Because that change alone is enough to stop the Tillers in America. You don’t have to resort to the final step with the Tillers in the U.S. There is something that supersedes him…THE LAW! To ignore that, and kill outside the law, is to murder both the man and the concept of LAW. And once you destroy the imago dei and Law, you are left with nothing to reform, nothing to flower, nothing to heal, nothing live. Again, that Hitler was the Law, while Tiller worked within the Law, is the point entirely.
Weight of Glory on May 31, 2009 at 10:34 PM
You know………..
………….. the biggest looser in all of this is George Soros.
His plans for the “Reverse Aging Potion” has been dealt a serious ‘dealt back’, human fetus’ are hard to come by, ………
…….but he may not live long enough to see his ‘Final Plan’, thanks to you, Mr. Bond,
“You expect me to talk………..?
………. No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!”
Seven Percent Solution on May 31, 2009 at 10:34 PM
As far as we know, Hitler never killed anyone, either. So Bill and Adolf share yet another fact.
BobMbx on May 31, 2009 at 10:35 PM
I can’t imagine this guy being in my church either.
therightscoop on May 31, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Just wait until you disagree with The Grand Lizard. After you’re banned there, you’ll be back.
29Victor on May 31, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Powerpro:
My pleasure. And I appreciate your civil and honorable response.
atheling on May 31, 2009 at 10:35 PM
But Tiller has knowledge of how horrific this act is, yet the law does not require him to inform the mother, remember the left wants people to believe we have gills while in the womb, that life does not begin at conception, but facts show an unborn baby’s genetic code differs entirely from the mothers.The new developing baby has the same forty-six human chromosomes he/she will have until death.
christene on May 31, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Just don’t ever express any disagreement whatsoever with the host over there, and expect to be laughed at as a loony knuckle-dragger for the “run to the light” crack. After all, what are you, some kind of crazy lunatic believer?
Kensington on May 31, 2009 at 10:35 PM
I didn’t read all the posts so if someone’s already asked this, sorry. Here goes:
Where is all the righteous indignation for the thousands of murders this guy committed? While I don’t condone his murder nor do I think it advances the cause of us pro-lifers, I just WISH I would see the type of anger and vitriol expressed for the murders of the TRULY innocent like we are so quick to offer this man’s death.
just sayin’…
jthibod on May 31, 2009 at 10:35 PM
atheling:
You shut up. And you both can go eff yourself.
Blake on May 31, 2009 at 10:36 PM
No offense to you, but I think you misunderstood my point. That’s okay, tho, it’s just a blog of opinions.
splink on May 31, 2009 at 10:36 PM
No, I’m Baptist.
ladyingray on May 31, 2009 at 10:36 PM
There is no good in evil.
What God chooses to do (or chooses not to do) in re-ordering different circumstances and different people, in order to bring about his divine purposes at a future time is a separate issue and is a big unknown from our finite, limited human perspective.
It still remains that a transgression occurred, and there is no good in evil.
ColtsFan on May 31, 2009 at 10:36 PM
AP,
You saying that Christians should pray for his soul after his demise shows that you have a misunderstanding of how salvation works. It matters not what he may have done. What matters is what the status of his soul was with God when he died. His life how he lived it will be compared to God’s Word and he will be judged accordingly. It matters not what may have happened and to pray for his soul after he died would be in vain. We should be praying that his family and others who are in his line of work will come to know God and accept His will.
With that said his murder was a sin. I can understand the mentality of the killer especially if Tiller really was performing partial birth abortion. If he was I want to know why he wasn’t prosecuted. Isn’t it illegal?
Also, if he was doing partial birth abortion pro-lifers have been given an extrodinary opportunity. They should seize the moment and start educating people now on how partial birth abortion is done. I now people would be shocked. I spoke to a man who had just finished RN school. He hadn’t a clue what it was or how it was done. If he is a medical professinal and doesn’t know how many laymen haven’t got a clue.
One last thing. I know that in the post you said he was famous for his late term abortion. Late term abortion is not clearly defined. It doesn’t always involve partial birth. Was he doing partial birth abortion?
boomer on May 31, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Definately the work of a coward and I can’t and won’t condone it. The person that did this lowered themselves to Tiller’s level. Something I could never do.
watson007 on May 31, 2009 at 10:37 PM
@ MB4 on May 31, 2009 at 10:31 PM
I disagree. Terrorism is an act against a civilian population, no matter how small or large, that is meant to further a political goal, committed by a non-state entity. Murdering an abortion doctor because you dislike abortion fits in pretty well into that definition, although IF he acted alone I would tend not to describe him as a terrorist, as terrorists are usually a part of a larger organization.
thphilli on May 31, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Then I’m confused…what case are you making with these comments then?
AUINSC on May 31, 2009 at 10:37 PM
LOL, Blake:
You’re just having a bad day here, aren’t you, sweetie?
Swatted, dissed, and kicked to the curb!
atheling on May 31, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Late Term abortion is not the law of the land as expressed by the will of the people it is the law of the land via the machinations of the men and women in black robes….
sven10077 on May 31, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Hey, if you look in the right places you will see it. Perhaps one day we will see it on our government again.
therightscoop on May 31, 2009 at 10:38 PM
God have mercy on both their souls; as a Christian I stand by this quote. God searches for us as a shepherd looking for his lost sheep (Luke 15:3-7); even Tiller the Baby Killer. And I am not claiming to know his heart and if he asked for forgiveness.
Having said that; it’s very hard because I cannot believe we live in a country which tolerates the murdering of innocent children.
Tiller the Baby Killer, who has who knows how many murders on his soul, KILLED MANY, MANY, MANY INNOCENT CHILDREN!
His killer; has the death of one human, of which we know. Both broke, “Thou shall not kill.”
I was not making a moral equivalence. Both are cold blooded murderers!
Branch Rickey on May 31, 2009 at 10:38 PM
No.
Repentance has to be genuine.
Just saying the words is not some magical incantation that gets you out of hell.
As far as the murder is concerned, I can not and will not endorse/support/applaud his murderer.
That was a heinous crime and he will have to face God about taking vengeance in his own hands.
For Tiller, one reaps what one sows and sometimes harvest is a b*tch.
Religious_Zealot on May 31, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Dude that’s just wrong.
therightscoop on May 31, 2009 at 10:38 PM
You’re minimizing the suffering of the Jews during the Holocaust in order to portray Tiller as worse than Hitler is obscene.
Blake on May 31, 2009 at 10:38 PM
“The murder of George Tiller at his church is a heinous crime, without any sense or justice.”
Was the murder of the British in the Revolutionary war a heinous crime?
RightWired on May 31, 2009 at 10:38 PM
I am watching a simply amazing broadcast on Discovery HD.
The panoramic views are breathtaking, the close ups of dormant frogs waking in the desert sand as a yearly floor washes over them, and other unbelievable videos are just blowing my mind.
Watching this explosion and growth of life is making me think about abortion.
People care so much about wildlife (as they should). The beauty of nature takes their breath away.
Why don’t poor babies in the womb?
blatantblue on May 31, 2009 at 10:38 PM
With due respect, I disagree.
Because I was forgiven, I am to forgive. It does not require that a person who transgresses against me seek that forgiveness or even want it; I am to forgive whether they ask, want, or seek my forgiveness or not.
Forgiveness for someone who has wronged me is not about *them*, it is about *me* and my heart, and my acknowledgment that I have been forgiven even though I didn’t earn or deserve it.
Midas on May 31, 2009 at 10:39 PM
What?
Cindy Munford on May 31, 2009 at 10:39 PM
I am watching a simply amazing broadcast on Discovery HD.
The panoramic views are breathtaking, the close ups of dormant frogs waking in the desert sand as a yearly floor washes over them, and other unbelievable videos are just blowing my mind.
Watching this explosion and growth of life is making me think about abortion.
People care so much about wildlife (as they should). The beauty of nature takes their breath away.
Why don’t poor babies in the womb?
blatantblue on May 31, 2009 at 10:39 PM
I’m about to just give up and move to the Philippines.
AUINSC on May 31, 2009 at 10:31 PM
I doubt it’s as fun as it was before Subic shut down; now THAT was a time to be in the P.I.
Bishop on May 31, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Not true…
Romans 8:28
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.
boomer on May 31, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Well stated. Though, someone might look at the US law, and the make up of the court, and the public opinion in large states and believe that minimally another 10 million babies will die before change can be made. Most will work to change opinion, but the moral framework of abortion=murder can cause a couple of fringe personalities to feel justified in violence.
dedalus on May 31, 2009 at 10:41 PM
That just makes him a not-very-good terrorist. The Weather Underground did kill people; they made bombs to kill people, and people died directly by their hands. To say that the specific bombs he made did not kill people doesn’t make him any less murderous. Plus, if I recall, a member of the WU, (who may have been his girlfriend) died in a bomb misfire.
Ask the children of the police officers who died at the hands of WU members whether they felt targeted.
massrighty on May 31, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Tomorrow I will go to Planned Parenthood to pray. There are millions who are pro life and would never consider assasinating an abortionist. We must continue to stand up peacefully for life.
kringeesmom on May 31, 2009 at 10:44 PM
“You don’t have to resort to the final step with the Tillers in the U.S. There is something that supersedes him…THE LAW! To ignore that, and kill outside the law, is to murder both the man and the concept of LAW.”
Seems to me that concept of the law took a pretty much fatal shot when the Supreme Court made the Roe v. Wade ruling out of whole cloth.
How exactly do you change the law, when the left gives themselves the freedom to invent “rights” out of thin air? In this case, a “right” to terminate a pregnancy?
We pass laws and they ignore or invalidate them. It’s pointless.
NoDonkey on May 31, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Obama will try to play this towards the pro-life agenda – he is already trying. There was no need whatsoever for the President to make any immediate public comment. Do Presidents normally make instant comment on murders ?
JohninLondon on May 31, 2009 at 10:45 PM
baptist church near me makes some mean bbq every summer
also sorry for the dbl post everyone
blatantblue on May 31, 2009 at 10:45 PM
But here’s something. The lefties who will be gloating over this for who knows how long are the very same ones who say we should make every effort to understand the justifiable “rage” of Islamic terrorists, whose body counts are quite a bit higher. In other words, their “moral outrage” is quite selective.
ddrintn on May 31, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Dude take that somewhere else. Money2 has already been banned tonight. You are next.
therightscoop on May 31, 2009 at 10:45 PM
People care so much about wildlife (as they should). The beauty of nature takes their breath away.
Why don’t poor babies in the womb?
blatantblue on May 31, 2009 at 10:39 PM
The MOST obvious symptom of the mental illness that is today’s “liberalism.”
allahallahoxenfree on May 31, 2009 at 10:45 PM
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