Could we trust Democrats to not alter the memos to help their cause?
Rick007

Yes we can!
Just put Sandy Burger in charge!

This is classic Carl Levin. The documents “say nothing about the number of lived saves”?
How could they possibly know the number? They would have to know how many people would have died in an attack they prevented.

I am so embarrassed that this assclown represents my state.
calabrese

Good point!

I think we will have to apply Obama’s (jobs saved ) math to this.

Number of Americans Killed on 911, lets say 2500, cuz not all killed on 911 were in fact Americans.

N.A.K X Frequency (Year, Month, Day ) = lives saved

2500 X 7.5 years = 18,750 – 5000 A.K. Iraq/A-stan = 13750

2500 X 90 Months = 225,000 – 5000 A.K. Iraq/A-stan = 220,000

2500 X 2737.5 days = 6,843,750 – 5000 A.K. Iraq/A-stan = 6,838,750

So, as per Obama’s (jobs saved ) math, its safe to say Bush/Cheney saved tween thirteen thousand seven hundred and fifty lives to six million eight hundred and thirty eight thousand seven hundred and fifty lives.

Lets just call it a cool ¼ million American lives saved.

The beheading videos were inspired by the Abu Ghraib pictures.
That is why the victims wore orange jumpsuits.
Strangelet

Wow!

WHAT LOGIC!

Okay, so explain please why the “beheading videos” came out BEFORE the war?
Danial Pearl “beheading videos” Feb 2002.

Strangelet, beheading’s have been an execution of choice for a long time in Islam.

Statement relating the “beheadings” to Abu Ghraib are meant to play to the “useful idiot” crowed.

The economy was in the crapper before the war, and social programs were the the first cause, and global economic realignment, facilitated by both Clinton, and Bush was the second cause, and the coming demise of the baby boomer population was the third cause

Our government and unstitutions like the auto unions set up an unsustainable set of entitlements

Our globalization broke the economic cycle as manufacturers were set up in Asia, and Americans purchased cheap Asian goods at high American prices, while the Asians purchased as little as possible from America, so the money did not circulate back to America, breaking the money flow for jobs, and therefore credit

The baby boomers have hit the skids, and they have more houses to sell than there are people to buy so housing would have dropped 20 percent in a perfect economy leading to a mortgage bust in perfect times. The main boomer crash is yet to come on top of the current bust

The war was cheap compare to what it preserved. The prior gulf war could be considered to have wasted money because it had to be re fought. Clinton’s Kosovo war was also a money drain and strategic loss as non muslim majorities were pushed aside and islamofascists regained their ancient Balkan foothold. The Balkans are now stable because we islamicized one part, destroyed the economy of the other part, and maintain it as a dead zone

We will never know if 911 could have been prevented but the incomplete resolution of the first gulf war, the global encouragement of islamists in the interest of gaining oil to fund the global shipping cycle, and the encouragement of the Taliban by China and others in the interest of destroying the American hegemony fed the confidence of the islamo fascists. On the week of 911, China signed an non agression agreement with the Taliban in return for support and training.

Bush’s war moved into the two or three critical regions to affect the islamofascist spread, nuclear Pakistan being the third facilitator.

It was our moneyed-class used of China for short term gain exactly as our population would need to liquidate assets for old age that sunk the ship and left the next generation stranded.

You sillie bint, it wasn’t our bidness. 4,228 american soldiers have died so far.
And the Iraqis hate us and 46% of them want us to move up the withdrawal date.
And just wait until this hits the fan.

strangelet on May 30, 2009 at 1:58 PM

There you go again….

You sillie bint,

If you ever make a rational point, it will be better recieved if you spell it correctly; this site is largely populated by thinking adults.

it wasn’t our bidness. 4,228 american soldiers have died so far.

If you don’t think 17 UN resolutions made it our business, fine. How about 100,000 dead Kurds, (counting just two and hundreds of thousands of other deaths at Sadaams’ hands? Knowing that he was likely to turn the country over to his murderous sons, should we have done nothing?

And the Iraqis hate us and 46% of them want us to move up the withdrawal date.

Surely, some do hate us; many others do not, and have viewed us as an ally, and a friend. You should spend some time with returning soldiers, and ask them how they were viewed by Iraqis.

As others here have suggested, read from some non-ultra-liberal sources, and improve your understanding of the world.

Denial. That’s the river running through Detroit, isn’t it?

n0doz on May 30, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Funny; good post!

Soooooo…is the this part where Petreaus gets tossed out of the tent like Powell?
Wasn’t that an implicit crit of Bush and Cheney?
What will Rush say????
lol

strangelet on May 30, 2009 at 8:21 PM

Has Petraeus thrown himself out of the tent by nuzzling into Obama’s ass? I don’t think so. I don’t think Petraeus was necessarily in the “tent” to begin with.

Really, you do need to expand your mental horizons a bit. There’as a big world out there beyond the DKos talking points.

And given that the Iraqis wrote sharia law into their constitution so that Iraq is an islamic state, was it worth the cost in blood and treasure?

strangelet on May 30, 2009 at 7:16 PM

That’s what happens when you have a democracy, the people decide how they want to be governed. What should we have done, insist they all convert to Christianity?

Freedom often comes at a high price. Was it worth it? Ask the Iraqis, their human toll of sacrifice was far greater than ours.

That does not diminish the heartache we have for our fallen soldiers. We can take some comfort knowing their sacrifice saved the lives of hundreds of thousands, here and abroad.

So to use your word, indeed, theirs is a noble cause.

“But the truth is, he didn’t need to be there.”

He chose to serve his country and follow orders from his Commander in Chief. There were no caveats in his contract. He is proud to serve and not ashamed of America or apologetic for America …… unlike our current president.

strangelet on May 30, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Well and good, but Gen Petraeus (like Obama) could give us some idea of what should be done.

Army Gen. David Petraeus said the U.S. military is “beat around the head and shoulders” with images of detainees held in Guantanamo, the facility in Cuba President Barack Obama has vowed to close.

He’s talking about you.

Closing the military prison at Guantanamo Bay would purge the U.S. of a symbol used by enemies to divide the nation, the head of the U.S. Central Command said Friday.
Army Gen. David Petraeus said the U.S. military is “beat around the head and shoulders” with images of detainees held in Guantanamo, the facility in Cuba President Barack Obama has vowed to close. He said closing Guantanamo and ensuring detainees are dealt with by an appropriate judicial system would bolster the nation’s war effort in Afghanistan and Iraq.
“I do believe very strongly that we should live our values,” he said. “Generations of soldiers have fought to defend those values, and we should not shrink from living them, from operationalizing them, on the battlefield.”

Are you Sully’s boy toy?

As for your displaying your ignorance again about the Iraqis hating us, I was wondering how many times you have been there? Or were you just getting your information from a CNN/Times bogus poll?

My son has been deployed there twice, and both times he came back with a completely different perspective than the polling data of lefty media outlets. Strangely, he said the Iraqis are thankful the Americans troops are there, tossed out the murderous Saddam and are helping every day to rebuild their country. While it is true they want our troops to leave ASAP, they do not want them out too soon and they have come to learn that our troops are not invasive murderers there for nation building, rather they are there to keep the peace, restore an operational infrastructure ….. and then move on. So contrary to your uninformed opinion, the Iraqis do not have a problem with our troops amidst their people.

Now that’s according to someone who spent nearly a combined two years on the ground there, so maybe, just maybe, he has a better pulse on what’s happeniong over there than ignorant little you, and your lefty friend Andrew Sullivan. His take is factual, yours is poll driven.

strangelet on May 30, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Every now and then you just might want to take a glance at a news site that isn’t, well, moonbat-inclined. You might be better-informed. (I don’t count this one, since you seem to come here mainly to regurgitate what you’ve gathered from the moonbat sites.)

As far as our collective honor is concerned, I would think that allowing Saddam Hussein blah blah blah

You sillie bint, it wasn’t our bidness. 4,228 american soldiers have died so far.
And the Iraqis hate us and 46% of them want us to move up the withdrawal date.
And just wait until this hits the fan.