North Korea ups the ante

posted at 9:28 am on May 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

After rattling his saber through a nuclear test and several missile launches over the last few days, North Korea’s Kim Jong Il has rescinded the truce that put an end to fighting on the Korean Peninsula almost 56 years ago.  Kim also warned that a South Korean pledge to interdict North Korean shipping to inspect for arms proliferation would be considered an act of war:

North Korea announced Wednesday that it is no longer bound by the 1953 armistice that halted the Korean War, the latest and most profound diplomatic aftershock from the country’s latest nuclear test two days earlier.

North Korea also warned that it would respond “with a powerful military strike” should its ships be stopped by international forces trying to stop the export of missiles and weapons of mass destruction.

The twin declarations, delivered by the country’s state news agency, followed South Korea’s announcement Tuesday that it would join the navies that will stop and inspect suspicious ships at sea. North Korea has repeatedly said that such participation would be a “declaration of war.”  …

The North fired three more short-range missiles off its east coast on Tuesday, said Yonhap, the South Korean news agency. North Korea had fired two missiles into the same waters on Monday.

Joe Biden warned that Barack Obama would get challenged by despots on the world stage to “test the mettle of this guy.”  He also warned that “it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”  What, he chose the wrong golf course?  Perhaps he should have gone bowling instead?

So what should Obama do?  The Left keeps harrumphing that the “neocons” either have no solution or want Obama to start Korean War II, but that’s not the only two options available.  Going to the UN has proven to be a waste of time, and golfing very obviously did not cow Kim into submission, either.  Obama set the wrong tone when he pulled back the missile-defense radar during Kim’s first missile launch.  Obama may have thought he was sending Kim a message of friendship by taking Kim at his word that he was launching a satellite with his ICBM that went directly over Japan, but Kim took a much different measure of that message, as well as Obama’s mettle.  By acting as though Kim’s increasingly aggressive behavior couldn’t deflect Obama from his golf game, he gave Kim the impression that the US no longer cares what he does, as long as it doesn’t involve the US.

Kim’s now taking that carte blanche to the brink of war with South Korea.  Not even Bill Clinton fumbled North Korea this badly (and to be fair, Jimmy Carter cut Clinton at the knees while Clinton was trying to handle it properly).  It’s time, as Charles Krauthammer said this week, to play the nuclear trump card with Japan.  It’s the one move that will guarantee action from China, which will do almost anything to keep nukes out of Japanese hands.  China holds the strings in North Korea, and Kim only gets away with what China allows.  Even before that, we can start moving more naval assets into the area and increase interdiction to send a more clear message to Kim.

Would Kim attack South Korea?  It’s possible he will, but he’d lose, and his army knows it.  It would likely be his last order before the military took matters into its own hands and ended the Kim dynasty before it passes to Kim’s third son.  A tougher message from the US and a nuclear Japan would facilitate that, but golfing and ignoring Kim won’t.


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The MSM is probably beside themselves trying to figure out if there’s a positive angle on this story.

Daggett on May 27, 2009 at 10:19 AM

The One has kept us safe for 120 days.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Thats incorrect. NKorea’s military, while large, has no reserve combat capacity. They do not have POL in quantities that would allow full scale combat operations for more than 2-3 days. On top of that, they have no logisitical support (food, water, ammo) beyond what the individual units already carry.

They have a plan that goes by the acronym C.H.I.N.A.

mankai on May 27, 2009 at 10:35 AM

AUINSC said:

he could just steam-roller them. South Korea is a very small chunk of land, when you look at it. He could have the entire country in a matter of days…probably leaving only a few isolated pockets of ROKs fighting for lives. Then the US would be in position of having to invade the South again to re-take it

Kim Jung Il can never “steam roller” the Republic of Korea. ROK has a very professional, squared away, disciplined military… I work with them daily (Army wife working as a miitary contractor in South Korea) and aside from that, the US military is located all over the continent.

If Kim Jung Il even tried to ‘steam roll’ South Korea, he’d be dead within hours. If the soldiers of the ROK weren’t able to do it, which they are fully capable of, the US soldiers here are specifically trained to kick Il’s ass.

Obama may not have the stomach for it, but US troops are prepared to defend this continent. He couldn’t screw up Iraq and he cannot screw up S. Korae. Our military is too strong and well prepared.

Amy Proctor on May 27, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Thats incorrect. NKorea’s military, while large, has no reserve combat capacity. They do not have POL in quantities that would allow full scale combat operations for more than 2-3 days. On top of that, they have no logisitical support (food, water, ammo) beyond what the individual units already carry.

In other words, if the NKorean army moves more than, say, 5 miles into SKorea, their supply lines are stretched beyond capacity.

They do, however, have an enormous amount of arty pointed at Seoul.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 10:26 AM

I got my info here. Seems to contradict that:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/army.htm

AUINSC on May 27, 2009 at 10:37 AM

“This man is extremely smart, he can communicate, but the best part of Barack Obama is his heart is bigger than any heart in the world.”…

Me thinks the liberals are compensating a bit to much.

If Obama is all the great things liberals think he is,why do they have to keep reminding everybody about it,
should it not show.

Our enemies view Obama as a naive pacifist.

Taxes up,jobs losses up,deficits way up.

Broken promises on a daily basis.

Countless democrats involved in corruption,Congressional leaders lying to the nation.

These are not the signs of strong intelligent leadership.
Yea, there is a lot of compensating going on in the democratic party right now.
Anything to distract from the ignorant moves and pathetic policies that they have hung around their necks.

Bet these liberals really hate not having Bush to blame, point fingers at and distract from their lack of substantial solutions to our National problems.

Baxter Greene on May 27, 2009 at 10:38 AM

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BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Dumb question: While Japan is an interesting idea, is it too late to equip South Korea?

MadisonConservative on May 27, 2009 at 9:38 AM

It depends on what you mean by “equip”. If you mean giving South Korea nuclear weapons and missiles to hit North Korea, it would be a double-edged sword, because fallout from a nuclear explosion over North Korea could be carried back over South Korea, whose heavily-populated capital Seoul is close to the border. Japan is far enough away so that fallout effects would be minimal.

If Obama was smart (which he isn’t), he could counter a Nork nuke threat by publicly stating that any nuclear attack by North Korea on an American ally (including South Korea or Japan) would be met by an American nuclear attack on Pyongyang. Since fallout from a nuclear attack on North Korea could also reach parts of northeastern China, such a threat could bring China to the negotiating table on OUR side, at least to the point of restraining Kim from using nuclear weapons.

Losing a war would still mean the complete destruction of Seoul; the Norks have something like 10,000 heavy artillery pieces capable of hitting the city.

Exactly! Which is why a SMART President would be quietly massing aircraft carriers within bombing range of North Korea, ready to bomb those artillery pieces as soon as the first shell is fired, to minimize the damage to Seoul. We still have about 35,000 troops on the border between the Koreas, ready to invade if needed, but we can’t (or shouldn’t) PROVOKE a new Korean war, but we need to be ready to strike quickly if needed, to protect the South.

But it’s not at all clear that there’s an adult in the White House.

GIRD YOUR LOINS!

Did Jesse Jackson get there before Obama girded his?
He’ll need his ‘nads against the Norks.

Steve Z on May 27, 2009 at 10:41 AM

Amy Proctor on May 27, 2009 at 10:36 AM

I agree the ROK is very good. But they don’t have the numbers…neither do the US forces. I’m not disparaging the abilities of either force. But I feel the threat of the NK convention forces have been consistently underrated. The best policy has always been to threaten them with annihilation if they attacked. Obama has indicated, through his lack of response, that we may well do nothing effective to counter them.

AUINSC on May 27, 2009 at 10:42 AM

I try to find the silver lining in these things…Soviet warfighting doctrine used to include a counterforce decapitation strike strategy to take out our C3I capability and render us incapable of responding to any other overt conventional moves they may undertake…in the frenzied hours after the 9/11 attacks that was the fear of what was happening and why Bush landed in a secret bunker…the silver lining of course is with this craven criminal in the white house we don’t have to worry about counterforce decapitation strike anymore…our enemies would be crazy to remove obama.

elduende on May 27, 2009 at 10:43 AM

The One has kept us safe for 120 days.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Of course he’s coasting, using all the safety energy built up by Bush over eight years.

Your assistance in this matter is most welcomed.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 10:39 AM

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unclesmrgol on May 27, 2009 at 10:46 AM

Pshaw, all the One needs to do is send Kim that video of those moron celebs chanting “yes, we can.”
Bada bing, bada boom, international crisis averted.

mjk on May 27, 2009 at 10:46 AM

The One has kept us safe for 120 days.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Well, there is that….

:P

mjk on May 27, 2009 at 10:47 AM

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unclesmrgol on May 27, 2009 at 10:46 AM

And what, miss the next product? No way.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Of course he’s coasting, using all the safety energy built up by Bush over eight years.

This must be what one of our trolls means by “graceful degradation”. Allowing the built-up security to slowly attrit away to a more manageable level (manageable by our enemies, that is).

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Amy,

I have a question for you do we have a missile defense on the Korea Peninsula.

Clyde5445 on May 27, 2009 at 10:51 AM

russia is not openly fearing a nuclear war on the korean peninsula and is reacting accordingly.
What the hell is Obama thinking? We need to act now not think it is a joke

kanda on May 27, 2009 at 10:51 AM

sorr russia is now thinking it will be nuclear war

kanda on May 27, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Obama knows its OUR FAULT!!

the North Koreans are just a peaceful agrarian society, that was FORCED to arm themselves to repel the IMPERIALIST RACIST policies of the US!!!

they are at one with nature, and each other…if it wasn’t for capitalism and the US, they would have the perfect people’s paradise…

we should withdraw so Kim can extend his beneificent rule to the greedy grubby capitalists of south korea!!

right4life on May 27, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Amy,

I have a question for you do we have a missile defense on the Korea Peninsula.

Clyde5445 on May 27, 2009 at 10:51 AM

I’m not Amy, obviously, but the answer is yes. Patriot batterys, I-Hawk, and DDG and CGs off-shore with SM-2 and SM-3.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 10:53 AM

When you put a goof in office that thinks he can talk his way through the world problems this is what you get. I am unsure the date maybe someone here can help me. When was the last time this world did not have a war going on? Obama is a fool and the entire world is at risk. As a world power we must stay strong and keep other countries in check, the teleprompter of eloquence doesn’t translate well to pissed off countries.

Tremmy on May 27, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Message to Kim:

A dying man with a hundred missiles will still die

Believe this of me: I will pray for you

entagor on May 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Kim knows Obama has no stomach for a fight. He is still reeling from killing those 3 poor black Samali pirates.

Kim also knows that Obama is trying to marginalize white people’s political influence in the US, which will render our power less resolute and more confused.

Kim wins round 1 hands down. Obama is seeing stars, and kim smells blood.

saiga on May 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Let there be no illusion, a fully involved military conflict between the two Koreas would mean Seoul is reduced to flaming rubble in minutes.

China is one solution and if it takes a nuke in Japan that may not be the worst action, otherwise considering the consequences of letting Kim control the in situ and the time/space equation guarantees a very large civilian casualty result.

IOW turn the Chinese into honest brokers or a preemptive blitz might become the only other option.

Speakup on May 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM

I am not certain our military is not reacting appropriatley but will obama order a preemptive strike on those missles

kanda on May 27, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Let there be no illusion, a fully involved military conflict between the two Koreas would mean Seoul is reduced to flaming rubble in minutes.

Why did the S. Koreans allow this?

JiangxiDad on May 27, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Obama will give SoKo to Kim. Just watch. He’ll probably give Taiwan to China as well.

spmat on May 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Why did the S. Koreans allow this?

JiangxiDad on May 27, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Are you nuts?

kanda on May 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM

this is the fault of China and Russia who can no longer control their puppets in N. Korea.

kanda on May 27, 2009 at 11:05 AM

the North Koreans are just a peaceful agrarian society, that was FORCED to arm themselves to repel the IMPERIALIST RACIST policies of the US!!!

they are at one with nature, and each other…if it wasn’t for capitalism and the US, they would have the perfect people’s paradise…

we should withdraw so Kim can extend his beneificent rule to the greedy grubby capitalists of south korea!!

right4life on May 27, 2009 at 10:53 AM

A few comparisons:

Population: North 23.5 million South 48.4 million

GDP: North $26 billion South $1278 billion

GDP/capita: North $1,115 South $26,405

Arable Land: North 26,972 km2 South 16,328 km2

Life Expectancy: North 63.8 South 78.7

The North IS an agrarian paradise with 65% more arable land, whose people starve. The South has less arable land and feeds double the population and exports food.

The South IS full of greedy capitalists who make 24 times as much money per person as the North, and they live 15 years longer on average.

It’s the old Lyndon Johnson conundrum–the North has more guns, the South has more butter. But the South might need American guns to protect their butter.

Steve Z on May 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Dumb question: While Japan is an interesting idea, is it too late to equip South Korea?

MadisonConservative on May 27, 2009 at 9:38 AM

I’ll bet that’s missing the point of what NOK is doing.

They’re desperate for money and selling nukes (or nuclear material). That’s why they’re so concerned about the treaty that allows other countries to inspect what they ship.

If South Korea tries to intercept the shipments, then sure, it would be best if they were armed. But I think the real threat comes from whoever is buying the nukes – probably Iran.

Daggett on May 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM

In other words, if the NKorean army moves more than, say, 5 miles into SKorea, their supply lines are stretched beyond capacity.

So South Korean gas and food doesn’t work in North korean vehicles and people??

Huh, who would have thought??

Seriously, they have had 65 years to plan this. Don’t you think they MIGHT have stored up some reserves???

sonofdy on May 27, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Another vote of “present” from the TOTUS.

either orr on May 27, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Why did the S. Koreans allow this?

International diplomacy.

Come on – pre-emptive wars are eeeeeevil.

reaganaut on May 27, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Barak “madman” Obama is about to have a run-in with some really really madmen – Kim and Mahmoud. How’s that working out for you?

It’s pathetic how easy it is for Obama to strong-arm and intimidate his own citizens out of their property, but he gets weak in the knees when fuzzy haired, genocidal, little dictators start rattling their puny little sabers. Coward.

bitsy on May 27, 2009 at 11:12 AM

When you put a goof in office that thinks he can talk his way through the world problems this is what you get.

Tremmy on May 27, 2009 at 10:54 AM

What’s worse is that the chump we have in the Oval Office has never been told no his entire life. His life has been one long line of people kissing his ass, telling him how wonderful he is and covering for him and his mistakes. Nothing has ever been his fault; nothing is ever his responsibility. Life for Obama is synthetic, filled with astroturfing and simulated struggles. Heck, even his two autobiographies read like movie scripts.

The man has no idea how to deal with failure. Someone else has always done that for him.

Sucks that this hollow shell of a man man is now carrying the football.

spmat on May 27, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Thats incorrect. NKorea’s military, while large, has no reserve combat capacity. They do not have POL in quantities that would allow full scale combat operations for more than 2-3 days. On top of that, they have no logisitical support (food, water, ammo) beyond what the individual units already carry.

In other words, if the NKorean army moves more than, say, 5 miles into SKorea, their supply lines are stretched beyond capacity.

They do, however, have an enormous amount of arty pointed at Seoul.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Add to these, that their Armed Forces are horribly obsolete.

How obsolete? Well, South Korea builds their own warships, planes and tanks, all that can favorably compared to our first line equipment. Their military is tough, well trained and lead. The North Koreans in the other hand had equipment that even Iraq will consider obsolete.

Their armed forces are more for internal control and due to generations of poor nutrition, their soldiers tend to be smaller than South Koreans. Their training is deficient and impaired due to the government need to use them to grow their own food. This also raises the foolishness of providing them with food shipment that gets diverted for the military use.

Can they produce considerably damage on a surprise attack? In one world, yes.

Can they win? Heck no.

However, this had the potential of producing more US combat deaths in a very short period of time larger than all our losses in Afghanistan and Iraq combined. Numbers that would be easy comparable to our losses in WWII and Korea. Numbers that may force the O to use tactical nucs just to save his political hide from the impeachment proceedings surely to follow.

El Coqui on May 27, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Seriously, they have had 65 years to plan this. Don’t you think they MIGHT have stored up some reserves???

Not really. The opening salvo would be devastating, on both sides, but moving mass troops around is difficult with US air power controlling the skies. I don’t care how many tunnels they have.

North Korea would have to rely heavily on Chinese involvement.

I wonder if the rank and file in the North Korean army realize what a death sentence any invasion would be?

reaganaut on May 27, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Thats incorrect. NKorea’s military, while large, has no reserve combat capacity. They do not have POL in quantities that would allow full scale combat operations for more than 2-3 days. On top of that, they have no logisitical support (food, water, ammo) beyond what the individual units already carry.

In other words, if the NKorean army moves more than, say, 5 miles into SKorea, their supply lines are stretched beyond capacity.

They do, however, have an enormous amount of arty pointed at Seoul.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 10:26 AM

If true this means N.Korea is even more dangerous and most likely to use nukes of which it is widely suspected they have about one dozen. That will do alot of damage and will potentially force a nuclear war with the US which will draw in China against us and russia is the wildcard.

kanda on May 27, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Why did the S. Koreans allow this?

JiangxiDad on May 27, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Are you nuts?

kanda on May 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Pls. elaborate.

Israel says an existential threat is unacceptable, and will have to go to war over it. I was asking why an existential threat to S. Korea, as was described in the original comment, is acceptable. Most people are assuming an existential threat to japan won’t be acceptable to the Japanese.

So, if Seoul is in immediate harm’s way, and if our tripwire has been moved to the south (??), and if Obama is an unreliable ally, why has/is S. Korea accepting the status quo?

JiangxiDad on May 27, 2009 at 11:23 AM

I’m sure if Kim Jong Il would just TALK to Barack, all of this would go away in five minutes.

At least that was the impression I got during the campaign (The campaign before the election, not the one he’s doing now).

Star20 on May 27, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Now why is everyone blaming our wuss in chief for his lack of international experience, he told us in the election cycle that he didn’t have any, that’s why he brought Joe “Plugs” Biden on the ticket. Remember gravitas on international affairs? So what does Plugs have to say? Joe? Joe? Helloooo? Does someone have the keys to the attic?

hip shot on May 27, 2009 at 11:24 AM

We can handle Korea in about a week.
Then begin the most massive humanitarian food drive since the Berlin airlift.

Those folks are starving to death as we speak.

But not with that Marxist chump in the white house.

TheSitRep on May 27, 2009 at 11:26 AM

The clearest sign that the NK calculation about Obama is correct is that Obama is currently doing absolutely nothing…and will do nothing to increase our preparedness for NK threats of aggression. No movements by US forces into Asia…nothing is happening and nothing will happen.

AUINSC on May 27, 2009 at 11:30 AM

hip shot,

I think Joe said something like; “You can’t go into a black neighborhood cleaners without seeing Koreans!”

Star20 on May 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM

why has/is S. Korea accepting the status quo?

JiangxiDad on May 27, 2009 at 11:23 AM

You are nuts if you see it this way. The south has joined a coalition of nations prepared to invade and seize the northern nuke sites. that is what spooked Kim. His insane rhetoric is for internal consumption. He is cornered and dangerous and is a madman in a very real sense. You should be ashamed of youself for thinking the south was not forced to be ready for the worst. The American forces in Korea and near it are not enough to do the job. The north may be still fighting like they did in 1953 but they are formidable and will be difficult to stop and they will live off what they find in S. Korea. It will be horrible for both Koreas if the shooting war starts.

kanda on May 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM

JiangxiDad, I don’t mean nuts as in crazy I mean as in underestimating the threat posed by Kim to the south and to American forces in and around Korea.

kanda on May 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Star,

Plugs has said many things that did not seem to make a whole lot of sense, the wheel chair thing, but the gravitas you can’t ignore the gravitas! I think the plugs went a little too deep and damaged some cerebral cortex.

hip shot on May 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM

So South Korean gas and food doesn’t work in North korean vehicles and people??

Huh, who would have thought??

Seriously, they have had 65 years to plan this. Don’t you think they MIGHT have stored up some reserves???

sonofdy on May 27, 2009 at 11:09 AM

No, I don’t think they have. It’s estimated they can sustain large scale combat for no more that 1 week (which is enough time to take Seoul, but no more). After that, they will be forced to go defensive. I have seen photos of NK army units growing their own food (and I don’t mean hobby plots to break up the boredom). The NK military does not train using vehicles (uses gas that they just don’t have). The available evidence suggests a large but limited military force. Don’t forget that every weapon they lose or use is one that they cannot replace, unlike SKorea and the US forces, who can re-supply and re-arm at will.

Your point about self-supporting large scale military manuevers is taken, but that only works with slow moving hordes that have the time and manpower to scour the local terrain for “stuff”, without worrying too much about being attacked, especially from the air. This sort of campaign fell by the wayside with the advent of fast mechanized warfare. Plus, I’m pretty sure that the average South Korean citizen does not keep large quantities of ammunition that the NK army would need.

You’re not suggesting that during those same 65 years that only NK has been planning the tactics of an invasion of SK?

I am not of the opinion that a NK invasion will be a futile effort without a large loss of lives in SK. To the contrary, it will be horrible. This what makes it so frustrating; the outcome is certain but the cost so terrible it defies logic that it would ever occur.

This assumes Lil’ Kim is a logical, rational person; a stretch by any measure.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM

JiangxiDad, I don’t mean nuts as in crazy I mean as in underestimating the threat posed by Kim to the south and to American forces in and around Korea.

kanda on May 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM

I don’t. And I may be completely wrong. And I’m just an armchair quarterback.

If my neighbor gets a pitbull, my bigger problem is with my neighbor.

Kim is the pitbull.

JiangxiDad on May 27, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Albert Pike predicted in the 1800s we would need three world wars to get an international government in place, ostensibly to keep-the-peace, don’t you know.

League of Nations (after WW1) > United Nations (WW2) > ?

Just sayin’

ex-Democrat on May 27, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I don’t. And I may be completely wrong. And I’m just an armchair quarterback.

If my neighbor gets a pitbull, my bigger problem is with my neighbor.

Kim is the pitbull.

JiangxiDad on May 27, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Okay I misunderstood what you meant. Your analogy is very approprate because even a pitbull is not necessarily mean unless taught to be. Then when they get out of control it is a problem.

kanda on May 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM

League of Nations (after WW1) > United Nations (WW2) > ?

Just sayin’

ex-Democrat on May 27, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I’ve already got the name picked out: The Obama Nations

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 11:49 AM

>>It’s the old Lyndon Johnson conundrum–the North has more guns, the South has more butter. But the South might need American guns to protect their butter.
Steve Z on May 27, 2009<<<

..and I’m sure the south will appreciate the heck out of our protection. /sarc

Goodeye_Closed on May 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM

It will be interesting to see how Nobama handles this, after he is finished wetting his pants!

GFW on May 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM

The clearest sign that the NK calculation about Obama is correct is that Obama is currently doing absolutely nothing…and will do nothing to increase our preparedness for NK threats of aggression. No movements by US forces into Asia…nothing is happening and nothing will happen.
AUINSC on May 27, 2009

Obama is lost. He doesn’t know what to do. National security is definitely above his pay grade…..and Americans voted for him out of some American Idol equation TOTALLY ignoring real qualifications.

Does anyone think this problem would be as big if McCain were prez?

Goodeye_Closed on May 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM

The People’s Democratic Republic of Korea, or north Korea, is not communist or even really socialist. It is a huge religious cult run by a warped leader.

Hey, just like here.

ex-Democrat on May 27, 2009 at 12:04 PM

I wonder if the rank and file in the North Korean army realize what a death sentence any invasion would be?

reaganaut on May 27, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Given the tight control over outside information NOK has, it’s highly doubtfull anyone in the North has any idea how badly they would loose.

MarkTheGreat on May 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Maybe Barry should ship a box DVD set of John Wayne movies over as a signal of his coolness or something…

Wyznowski on May 27, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Barry is shuckin’ and jivin’ his way to World War 3.

Anything in Alinsky’s book about surrender?

omnipotent on May 27, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Hey, just like here.

ex-Democrat on May 27, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Good one! You get bonus points for that.

mankai on May 27, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Obama has been a fish out of water for a long time now. Very slippery. But now he just stinks. Everything he is doing is not for the greater good of the people. He wants everything to be bad in the United States. Keep the people stupid and dependent on government. If you can keep 51% of the voters waiting for a government check that is who will vote for you. The sharks are smelling his scent. Absolute chaos.

Tremmy on May 27, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Hmmmm… this a factor perhaps?
http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002121.html

Rebar on May 27, 2009 at 1:10 PM

our enemies would be crazy to remove obama.

You have seen the line of succession, haven’t you?

I’m certainly looking forward to my upcoming flight from Beijing to Seoul….

calbear on May 27, 2009 at 1:12 PM

This is more than ‘Lil Kim testing the Comrade, it’s China’s opening gambit.

First, they divest themselves of dollar denominated assets. (They’re already well on the way.)

Then, NK attacks across the DMZ diverting us towards NE Asia. (Coming up.)

Then, Iran closes the Straits of Hormuz at both ends. (They currently have warships on the other side – what a coincidence.)

Then the big one. While the rest of the world (and our military assets) is fixated on NE Asia and the Persian Gulf, the ChiComs invade Taiwan. (China’s big prize.) No one will be able to make a move in time to stop them.

Comrade Obama expresses regret for the fate of Taiwan but gee, health care costs are killing us and the globe is considerably warmer in the aftermath of recent events so cap-and-trade is now a real emergency. We can’t be distracted by foreigners’ problems.

lonesomecharlie on May 27, 2009 at 1:16 PM

See a pattern here?
Democrat President gets elected, their weakness invites conflict. Republican President has to clean it up, with cost to his own presidency.

YoungAmerican on May 27, 2009 at 1:26 PM

And just when we have a president that is not up to the job.

GarandFan on May 27, 2009 at 9:34 AM

That’s been my mantra ever since Obambi announced he was running for president. While McCain was not perfect at least he understood what war was all about and how important it was to fight to win.

Also, whenever I heard anyone go on about how America needed to elect Obambi because we needed “change” I tried to explain to them that in these perilous times he was not the right man for the job. In fact I had a bit of an argument with a friend of mine just this last weekend. She voted for THE ONE and I was trying to explain to her how electing THE ONE was a big mistake from a security point of view, while she knows I’m right all she could say in rebuttal was “but we needed change” to which I replied, “ok but at what cost?” I reminded her of Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs and how survival needs must come first.

Her answer was, “well it’s too late now, he’s been elected so there’s nothing we can do.” While it’s true it’s too late I said perhaps people should have voted for POTUS based on common sense and substance not emotion and shallow celebrity, now ALL OF US are going to pay the price because of the stupidity and blindness of 53% of America!

The 53% of Americans that elected him has place us all in more danger than we were post 9-11 because those of us with one functioning synapse knew he’s an inexperienced empty suited pacifist/socialist. Our enemies are once again licking their chops and crossing the line in defiance as they know they have nothing to fear from a celebrity cream puff that doesn’t have the clankers to use the stick he has let alone the leadership/wisdom to know when to use the stick and not the carrot.

This escalation with NK and Iran are just the beginning, things are going to get much worse as more and more tin pot dictators and terrorist regimes come to realize just how weak our POTUS is…gird your loins everyone I see a bad moon rising…thanks to the 53% of the morons that voted for THE ONE!

Liberty or Death on May 27, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Where ‘da gonads Obama?

jbh45 on May 27, 2009 at 9:35 AM

I’d say Michelle has them under lock and key in her purse but based on his track record thus far I don’t believe Obambi’s gonads ever dropped!

Liberty or Death on May 27, 2009 at 1:32 PM

B-b-b-but…Obama issued a strongly worded statement when THE ONE was elected all the world was supposed to join hands, sing koombaya, and share a coke! Why is Kim still being all mean and stuff?!

aero on May 27, 2009 at 9:56 AM

FIFY to fit the illogical and moronic thinking of 53% of Americans that elected this empty suited baffoon!

We’re so screwed!

Liberty or Death on May 27, 2009 at 2:02 PM

With so many players poised for action, so many across the planet believing that the time for action is ripe and the USA is in a weakened position, the first crisis is likely to trigger a number of others.

petefrt on May 27, 2009 at 10:20 AM

That was my point although re-reading what I wrote thanks for the clarification.

I fear a series of minor events and impressions have all lined up to form the perfect storm ala WW1. A house of cards all built on the US impression of hegemony gluing everything in place is looking ready to collapse. The LLL’s insistence on ending the US hegemony is the catalyst and Obama taking power with his very vocal world apology/ending of US willingness to be hegemony is the spark.

The opening days will be critical. If we jump with all four on who ever lights up first WITHOUT HESITATION and diplo BS, maybe, maybe with gods grace, we may just get lucky enough to bluff the others to not risk taking advantage. However if we look weak and undetermined, show hesitation, and go with lily UN diplo BS then the fire will rage and embers will light everywhere.

I have always found that when everyone is denying something can happen like the news I watched today and even the O’s response which was just basiclly a denial that war could happen, it usually ends up happening.

Dangerous times

C-Low on May 27, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Frankly, we should pull out troops out and let the rest of the world deal with their own regional problems. We police the world for everyone and they don’t appreciate us for crap. Let them figure out their own problems, we certainly have enough of our own that aren’t being solved because we have to hold everyone elses hands through life.

thphilli on May 27, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Frankly, we should pull out troops out and let the rest of the world deal with their own regional problems. We police the world for everyone and they don’t appreciate us for crap. Let them figure out their own problems, we certainly have enough of our own that aren’t being solved because we have to hold everyone elses hands through life.

thphilli on May 27, 2009 at 2:10 PM

I can’t count the number of times I have had this thought. Although the older I get, the less appealing it becomes. Here’s why: I like to work. I drive to work. 1 week after we “Close”, there’s either no gas to buy, or it’s so expensive I can’t afford it. I lose my job. Then what?

And, I’ve grown accustomed to eating strawberrys in February. Please, don’t take that away.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Oh good…

MOSCOW (Reuters) – Russia is taking security measures as a precaution against the possibility tension over North Korea could escalate into nuclear war, news agencies quoted officials as saying on Wednesday.

mankai on May 27, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Everybody’s worried about North Korea’s nuclear weapons. I’m more worried about their conventional weapons and their huge army.

Many have said that North Korea is just “testing” a new president with a tour-de-force in weaponry. And maybe to hit us for a few Care packages and “concessions”.They could be right. But what if they’re not? If Kim tweaks BHO and Obama takes no forceful action, Kim may discover what many of us already know, that a pussy lives in the White House instead of a man.

If Kim is emboldened enough to conventionally attack South Korea with an actual invasion, what would we do? Especially since he now has nukes as his ace in the hole.

First of all, a spoiled rotten South Korea hates us almost as much as the North does and it is not certain how effectively its troops will fight. This would leave America to fight the brunt of a ground war against the huge 1.2 million man North Korean Army-(larger than our own) and man-for-man the best fighting force in Asia.

MaiDee on May 27, 2009 at 3:31 PM

First of all, a spoiled rotten South Korea hates us almost as much as the North does and it is not certain how effectively its troops will fight. This would leave America to fight the brunt of a ground war against the huge 1.2 million man North Korean Army-(larger than our own) and man-for-man the best fighting force in Asia.

MaiDee on May 27, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Apparently the electricity is still on in the DPRK Ministry of Magical Statements. What are you, some sort of Lil Kim propagandist?

Take a hike. Man-for-man, the best fighting force in Asia?

hahahahahahahahaha!

South Korea hates the US? Now I know you’re a Commie Pinko.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Barry is shuckin’ and jivin’ his way to World War 3.

Our system is no longer stable, our government is corrupted, so something new will take its place, and should. It may arrive via war, yes, or another way. Future historians will probably see in our decline the familiar civilizational exhaustion which marked the end of former regimes. The fact that so few see it coming only increases its likelihood in my mind, for it implies that no one is minding the store. There’s never a good time for things to fall apart, but fall apart they must. So why not now?

JiangxiDad on May 27, 2009 at 4:02 PM

South Korea hates the US? Now I know you’re a Commie Pinko.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 3:53 PM

I think it’s fair to say that usually, only those old enough to actively remember the Korean war have reliably warm feelings towards the US. The anti-American sentiment among other segments of the population there is well-known.

JiangxiDad on May 27, 2009 at 4:05 PM

BobMbx there is no point of arguing with a mentally challenged individual. So please pick up your doll and go away quietly before I call the attendant. But quietly or not-just go away.

MaiDee on May 27, 2009 at 4:15 PM

The anti-American sentiment among other segments of the population there is well-known.

JiangxiDad on May 27, 2009 at 4:05 PM

JD….I think they have a silent majority there as we do here. Yes, a lot of anti-American rhetoric shown in the news….kind of like they show the Code Pink and ACORN protests here. I don’t think it is a prevalent attitude among the population.

genso on May 27, 2009 at 4:22 PM

genso on May 27, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Hey. You know S. Korea seems to be somewhat unusual among Asian countries because it’s so affluent, and the lifestyle is so western. The population is so accustomed to consumer goods, plastic surgery, and other aspects of what is usually thought of as living the good life in the western sense. That makes them ripe for so many of the western pathologies as well–pleasure before business, excess, modern liberalism. So from what i can tell, they have a lefty problem that’s pretty huge–like ours. So, I guess it might be fairer to say that they’re anti-American insofar as they share the views of the American left–the US is often the cause of problems, rather than part of the solution. In any case, although it’s not a popular opinion, I’m inclined to let S. Korea firmly and forcefully take the lead in handling N.Korea themselves.

JiangxiDad on May 27, 2009 at 4:29 PM

I’m inclined to let S. Korea firmly and forcefully take the lead in handling N.Korea themselves.

JiangxiDad on May 27, 2009 at 4:29 PM

I don’t disagree with that sentiment at all. Just don’t want to paint the Asian people in general with such a wide brush as some who don’t know better and don’t know you might do. Japan is getting some of the same problems from the left as well.

genso on May 27, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Exactly! Which is why a SMART President would be quietly massing aircraft carriers within bombing range of North Korea, ready to bomb those artillery pieces as soon as the first shell is fired, to minimize the damage to Seoul. We still have about 35,000 troops on the border between the Koreas, ready to invade if needed, but we can’t (or shouldn’t) PROVOKE a new Korean war, but we need to be ready to strike quickly if needed, to protect the South.

But it’s not at all clear that there’s an adult in the White House.

Steve Z on May 27, 2009 at 10:41 AM

Not quite. Although it would be a good idea to have the naval bases down south prep the carriers, we don’t need to have them in battle formation.

They have artillery pointed at us, but we have artillery right across that river pointed at them too, ours is much better, we have much more ammunition, many more soldiers on the ground ready to fight.

You’re right, Seoul is in artillery range. But their best artillery guns are right across the river from ours. So think, they have their best soldiers on the JSA, they pull 24 hour shifts, they’re poorly trained and have NEVER seen a second of combat. They have outdated equipment that is both inaccurate, and causes minimal damage at best. We have fresh soldiers manning those guns every 4 hours, none of our soldiers are hungry, our soldiers have likely seen combat, and have the best training in the world, and our guns are deadly accurate, and cause mass damage when they pound ground.

Trust me, aside from the nuke, we don’t have much to worry about. This pissant country will burn in a matter of 72 hours after the war starts. Kim Jong Il will be caught or killed in a week.

That ROK army is a hardcore set of soldiers. I had the pleasure of serving with a few Katusa’s, and observed their basic training and advanced training. These guys are nothing to smirk at. They are born again hard soldiers that love their country and would turn into the bloodthirsty warriors that they need to be if that little penis-envy faggot up north so much as shoots a wad of snot across that DMZ. They could demolish the north in a matter of days without our help. Hours with.

5 bucks says every soldier, sailor, and marine are on alert in South Korea right now. Let’s just pray that THIS alert isn’t wasted like the one for the first nuke he blew up underground, or the one for when he decided to shoot rockets at Japan.

leetpriest on May 27, 2009 at 4:57 PM

The Korean War almost reignited in Aug 1976 over the “Tree Trimming Incident” Ax Attack at Panmunjom where 2 US Officers were killed by an NK attack to prevent the tree from being cut. -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe_Murder_Incident -
A full squadron of F-111Fs was deployed from Mtn Home AFB, ID as part of the US response force, and current NK Leader Kim’s daddy backed down in a very conciliatory manner! What will our dear leader do in response to Kim’s hostile acts?

bmac727 on May 27, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Breaking News….. Obama surrenders to North Korea….

doriangrey on May 27, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Amy,

I have a question for you do we have a missile defense on the Korea Peninsula.

Clyde5445 on May 27, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Bobmx is right, “we” do have a missle defense system in place in the Republic of Korea. South Korea with the US in Korea (USFK) have combined missile defense systems that, as my active duty soldier and subject matter expert on North Korea tells me, “will put a big hurt on the DPRK’s ability to hit us.”

agree the ROK is very good. But they don’t have the numbers…neither do the US forces. I’m not disparaging the abilities of either force. But I feel the threat of the NK convention forces have been consistently underrated. The best policy has always been to threaten them with annihilation if they attacked. Obama has indicated, through his lack of response, that we may well do nothing effective to counter them.

AUINSC on May 27, 2009 at 10:42 AM

A common misconception is that the ROK forces are not as well trained or capable as north korean forces. Nothing could be further from the truth. This below from my husband, who is a MSG in the US Army:

The DPRK (North Korea) has about 1.2 million regulars and 150,000 special forces. They have dilapidated tanks and planes from the USSR which have not been maintaned well because they don’t make the parts anymore. They cannot fight much longer than 30 days or so before they run out of fuel and food. They have 15,000 pieces of artillery and rockets aimed at ROK (Republic of Korea-South Korea) targets including many scuds and ballistic (long range) missiles. Up to 60% of the DPRK’s missiles may have chemical warheads.

The alliance between the ROK and USFK has about 700,000 active duty and another million reservists that will be called up on alert. The Combined Forces Command (CFC) of ROK and USFK has a tremendous advantage with air superiority, naval superiority, weapon stocks, industrial bases, and international support. We have superior satellite technology and an extremely potent response to the DPRK’s first volley should they fire.

The ROK Soldier is far superior to the DPRK Soldier in many ways. Numerical superiority for the DPRK doesn’t mean much when they are hungry, demoralized, abused and relying on equipment that was current in the 1980s. ROK Marines are
serious ass-kickers as are the ROK Airborne and Special Forces.

The DPRK has the same plan as Saddam had: go underground after losing the conventional fight and resist with guerilla warfare and armed insurgency.

The first Korean War the ROK had zero tanks and no Air Force and yet with a little US and UN assistance, they beat back the far superior and Soviet-backed DPRK all the way to the Chinese border in a just a few weeks. It was only when the Chinese with their masses of “human wave” attacks intervened that the DPRK was able to even the odds. Unless China gets involved again in a very literal,
tactical, operational way, a war with the DPRK would end in 30 days or less.

However, Seoul will be greatly damaged and there may be mass casualty situations in the the ROK due to DPRK artillery and chemical weapons. There will also be
terrorist attacks and DPRK special forces attacking the southern part of the peninsula.

The real problems will begin when we try to rebuild the former DPRK and hopefully reunite the two Koreas as one. The people have been lied to, starved, abused and brainwashed for 60 years. They have never known freedom or
self-government. They have no idea how the rest of the world lives. It will take a long time to stabilize and rebuild the paranoid population of North Korea and hopefully China will not interfere with the rebuilding efforts. A reunited democratic, capitalist Korean peninsula will pose a threat to China economically
and militarily.

Amy Proctor on May 27, 2009 at 11:03 PM

I’m too young to remember but I did study the North Korean invasion of the south in 1950. The North Koreans were described then as ‘undernourished, unmotivated, ill equipped and poorly trained”. It was estimated that all would be set aright in “month or two” after Truman sent three US combat divisions to stem the tide. In a “month or two” three badly battered US divsions together with their South Korean allies were pushed into the Pusan perimeter facing possible evacuation or surrender. It took MacArthur’s Inchon end-run to get us out of the mess plus a draft and hundreds of thousands of reserves and, 59 years later the war still technically exists.

The current North Korean Army may, in fact, be the “Over-The-Hill-Gang” as some critics suggest but I’d rather not test this theory with the American military.

MaiDee on May 27, 2009 at 11:39 PM

MaiDee on May 27, 2009 at 11:39 PM

We would have won the thing if China hadn’t joined in on the side of N Korea. If we send troops to take Kim down will China do the same thing today that they did back then? That is the question.

Dollayo on May 28, 2009 at 1:58 AM

I’m too young to remember but I did study the North Korean invasion of the south in 1950. The North Koreans were described then as ‘undernourished, unmotivated, ill equipped and poorly trained”. It was estimated that all would be set aright in “month or two” after Truman sent three US combat divisions to stem the tide. In a “month or two” three badly battered US divsions together with their South Korean allies were pushed into the Pusan perimeter facing possible evacuation or surrender. It took MacArthur’s Inchon end-run to get us out of the mess plus a draft and hundreds of thousands of reserves and, 59 years later the war still technically exists.

The current North Korean Army may, in fact, be the “Over-The-Hill-Gang” as some critics suggest but I’d rather not test this theory with the American military.

MaiDee on May 27, 2009 at 11:39 PM

I think that you may want to reread those history books. The NKDR could only launch his 1950 invasion with Soviet Union assistance and only stopped the UN forces under Macarthur with a massive infusion of Chinese “volunteers”.

Now they stand alone.

No one here says that is going to be a cake walk, fact is that all of us that understand the stakes expect sort of a Pyrrhic victory for South Koreans forces with our support. But no one expects us fighting Soviet fighter pilots or Chinese soldiers again.

El Coqui on May 28, 2009 at 3:33 AM

Dollayo & El Coqui thanks for responding to my comments.

All of us make “armchair” judgments including the Pentagon. Let’s say the North Koreans are as bad as most ‘Hot Air’ bloggers think (elsewhere people have a more menacing view of NK’s potential). What’s to prevent a crazed Kim, reeling from defeat, from nuking or even gassing the attacking Americans or South Koreans.Remember HE’S GOT THE BOMB AND HE’S UNSTABLE. Also would China want a victorious American Army on their border on the Yalu River without intervening? I think not.

Whether the North Korean army is good, bad or indifferent-America has a president who would rather aopogize to crazed foreign dictators than confront them. If that were not bad enough-America is already stretched to its military limits in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere and Iran is close to getting nukes with a leader ever loonier than Kim.. To get enough soldiers to meet new demands, Obama would have to reinstitute a politically fatal draft. Also the casualties of an American involvement in Korea would dwarf those in Iraq even if the NK soldiers were only “average”.

MaiDee on May 28, 2009 at 8:27 AM

MaiDee, I find myself sharing all your concerns. Fact is because Kim’s conventional forces are so outclassed by South Korea and ours, he is likely to go either chemical (likelier than), nuclear from the get go.

In the words of the old chinese curse, we live in interesting times.

Our current deployments seems excesive to the casual observer, and there is always the risk that NK may think so too but remarkable neither the Navy or most of the Air Force are being overtaxed by our current conflicts, thus they are available to provide timely reinforcements in overwhelming numbers.

The problem of any NKA attacking force is that you need to be out in the open to move towards your objectives in the south. This is a risky proposition when the other side is likely to reach air supremacy in the first day of any conflict. Iraq in 1991 and 2003 was a good test subject.

However, I agreed that we are likely to get casualties numbers in our forces not seen since WWII or Korea I. Strangely enough, because I see the Messiah as the typical politician trying to cover his own behind. I expect that if NK uses chemical or nuclear weapons or induces large number of deaths, he is likely to go nuclear, literally. All to provide some cover for the congrssional investigations and impeachment proceedings soon to follow.

I doubt that China is going to be inclined to help them, is difficult to explain to their own populace why their sons are going to be exposed to chemicals and nuclear radiation just because the Dear Leader was suicidal.

El Coqui on May 29, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Use the shield. Frig ‘em. There’s enough other troops over there to take care of Jong Jong. He isnt our problem….yet.

johnnyU on May 29, 2009 at 6:51 PM

All I can remember is that the MSM could not understand why Bush included North Korea in the Axis of Evil speech.

SC.Charlie on May 29, 2009 at 9:33 PM

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