New Prop 8 challenge from … Ted Olson?
posted at 10:12 am on May 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
After yesterday’s ruling from the California Supreme Court upholding Proposition 8′s ban on gay marriage but allowing the already-existing gay marriages to remain legal, I predicted that an inventive attorney would attack the judgment in federal court on equal-protection arguments arising from that Solomonic split. That challenge came more quickly than even I predicted, and from an unusual choice of attorneys. Byron York profiles Ted Olson’s decision to make a federal case out of Prop 8:
The suit argues that the state’s marriage ban, upheld Tuesday by the California Supreme Court, violates the federal constitutional right for same-sex couples to marry. The complaint was filed Friday, and Olson and co-counsel David Boies — who argued against Olson in the Bush v. Gore case — will hold a news conference in Los Angeles Wednesday to explain the case. The conference will feature the two same-sex couples on whose behalf Olson filed suit.
The suit also asks the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California to issue an injunction that would stop enforcement of Proposition 8 and allow same-sex couples to marry while the case is being decided. …
I asked Olson about the objections of conservatives who will argue that he is asking a court to overturn the legitimately-expressed will of the people of California. “It is our position in this case that Proposition 8, as upheld by the California Supreme Court, denies federal constitutional rights under the equal protection and due process clauses of the constitution,” Olson said. “The constitution protects individuals’ basic rights that cannot be taken away by a vote. If the people of California had voted to ban interracial marriage, it would have been the responsibility of the courts to say that they cannot do that under the constitution. We believe that denying individuals in this category the right to lasting, loving relationships through marriage is a denial to them, on an impermissible basis, of the rights that the rest of us enjoy…I also personally believe that it is wrong for us to continue to deny rights to individuals on the basis of their sexual orientation.”
This gets us back to whether a ban on same-gender marriage is discriminatory. Opponents of same-sex marriage argue that each individual has the same rights as everyone else, since the state does not bar any man from marrying any woman, outside of consanguinuity, current marital status, and age of consent. Proponents, such as Olson, argue that it equates to the ban on interracial marriage, but that actually did treat people differently based on ethnicity rather than gender. It’s a specious argument, perhaps best demonstrated by the enormous opposition to gay marriage in the African-American community.
However, Olson may have a more limited equal-protection case with the limited class of relief the California Supreme Court created in its decision. In this case, we have 36,000 citizens in single-sex marriages recognized by the state, while refusing to recognize any others. The only delimiter is the date of the decision. A federal court might find that a violation of the equal-protection clause and overturn Proposition 8, or at least the ruling. The danger here for Olson is that a federal court might take action that invalidates those existing marriages rather than forcing California to recognize gay marriage altogether.
If I had to guess, I’d bet that the federal courts will punt on the matter entirely, leaving the California decision to stand on its own. They will have to recognize that the people of California amended their own Constitution to restore a definition of state-recognized marriage that was the norm for more than 200 years. They’re not going to be eager to invalidate an election, especially to force the same people to give government recognition to same-sex marriages when they’ve expressly mandated the opposite.
Having Ted Olson head this plaintiff’s legal team, along with David Boies, will certainly give some conservatives considerable pause. He’s been a hero to the Right, so much so that Rudy Giuliani tapped him for the presidential campaign to give himself credibility on judicial restraint. What happens to Olson’s standing now?










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Understood, but when people make the same case about homosexuals, it doesn’t work.
Certainly, but when that happens (and it does), the man generally goes to jail.
It’s still just too creepy for sympathy.
Esthier on May 27, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Are you making a point about the wisdom of federalism? I’m all for state’s right too. It’s why I’m a gay men born in North Carolina and I like Jesse Helms.
But I really don’t think any victim of bigotry was concerned about the politics of federalism while they were being tortured or killed. I’ll probably have a nightmare tonight about being waterboarded by Keith Olbermann quizzing me about the finer points of my support for states rights.
thuja on May 27, 2009 at 6:39 PM
I don’t agree with your equating gay desire with taking it in the butt, but I agree with your overall point that we should better ourselves instead of whining. It serves us ill to argue about who had it worse in the 19th century. And by the way just about everyone alive in 1899 is now dead.
thuja on May 27, 2009 at 6:54 PM
Esthier said (at 3:16):
I did say sanctified long-term relationship. If you have so little faith in marriage, why are you defending it?
Chaz on May 27, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Thx … even though i was purposely being an ass you still handled yourself with dignity and respect to agree to disagree. I must thank you for being a gentleman.
Have a good day bro
Donut on May 27, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Dominigan said (at 2:54):
I’m with you on the right to life, and I’m a conservative too. As you will see from comment threads here on Hot Air and elsewhere, a large percentage of conservatives, for one reason or another, favor gay marriage.
You need to be aware that a law is not a law because it got passed. Same for a state constitution. They are subject to being overturned when they run afoul of the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and various signed treaties.
If you want to say that two adults seeking a sanctified long-term relationship is not the essence of the pursuit of happiness and that it can be denied simply for infringing on nothing more than the sensibilities of others (a minority of others, I might add), you have a very unrobust concept of pursuing happiness.
Your position seems especially inconsistent in that you are not condemning gay relationships, just the sanctification thereof. If this church or that wants to proscribe gay marriage, fine. If the government wants out of the marriage business, fine. But for the government to say that some long-term reationships may be sanctified and other not is wrong on the face of it, and I hope Olson prevails.
Chaz on May 27, 2009 at 7:18 PM
More than linear isn’t exponential, though it is still more than linear. There is no doubt it would be more complicated, but definitely not exponentially more complicated.
Of course incest could have harmful biological results. But then, so could production of those with harmful genetic diseases. Perhaps we should sterilize all people with AIDS (that won’t even prevent the spread, just now doubling of growth). Further, ending one restriction doesn’t automatically lift the other restrictions, but the whole point of many of my arguments is if you are going to use the Olson “This Category Love Each other” argument, then you pretty much have to lift the other restrictions. If for example, there was a compelling argument as to why gay marriage was Constitutional but Polygamy wasn’t, then this wouldn’t open the door to Polygamy. Technically, this is not Olson’s fight. He need not worry about how his flawed logic might open the doors to other forms of marriage; however, it should be taken into consideration.
Upstater85 on May 27, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Another so-called conservative “Washington Insider” who stabs us in the back is hardly news.
They’re a dime a dozen: Ted Olson, Bill Bennett, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Eric Cantor – the list goes on. They would rather please their “cocktail circuit buddies” or turn a quick buck than stand up for conservative values.
True Conservative Outsiders need to take control of the GOP. In 2012 we need to run an outsider who truly represents conservative values (and the fact that she’s a beautiful woman who knows how to handle an assault rifle makes Sarah all the more appealing).
bw222 on May 28, 2009 at 8:51 AM
This isn’t the individual rights issue Mr. Olson makes it out to be. The elevation of homosexual marriage equates to the tearing down of the first right enumerated in the First Amendment, Freedom of Religion.
Check out U of Mich. professor Laycock’s letter to the Connecticut legislature. He is a same-sex marriage proponent but realizes that simple granting of the right without written religious protections will start a religious war in the US courts.
No such provision exists in the California law which Olson wishes to resurrect. Ted Olson is either lying about this being about “individual rights” or a very poor lawyer unaware of the conflicts. His record supports that he’s a liar.
rcl on May 28, 2009 at 1:10 PM
I told you so.
corona on May 28, 2009 at 1:12 PM
This is exactly what the pro-gay marriage crowd fears, a Federal test of the issue.
The current SCOTUS will put this issue to rest once and for all.
FireBlogger on May 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Olson said. “The constitution protects individuals’ basic rights that cannot be taken away by a vote.
Dear Mr. olsen:
Go to Hell.
It is We The People who are soverign, not them the judges. When four judges rewrite the State Constitution to create a “right”, the people have an absolute right to amend the Constituion to strike down that judicial power grab.
If you really can’t understand that, you are a crappy lawyer, and a contemptible human being.
Greg Q on May 28, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Olsen is just plain wrong here.
The state of California already provided domestic partnerships to gay and lesbian couples, which is equivalent to a marriage license.
You can’t equate this to racism, because blacks and whites were given different rights and standards. This is why segregation was unconstitutional. It denied equal opportunity and protection.
By using different labels to describe a legal contract for straights and gay/lesbian couples is not unconstitutional.
btw, I don’t mind if we have gay marriage in America. Just as long as the people vote on it, and it doesn’t infringe on religious liberty.
Frank T.J Mackey on May 30, 2009 at 7:41 PM
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