IRS revenues dropping rapidly

posted at 2:50 pm on May 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Remember those optimistic deficit estimates from the White House, and the slightly less rosy projections from the Congressional Budget Office?  Get ready for a major recalculation.  Tax revenues fell drastically in April, the AEIR reports, a month which usually brings the most money into government coffers:

Federal tax revenue plunged $138 billion, or 34%, in April vs. a year ago — the biggest April drop since 1981, a study released Tuesday by the American Institute for Economic Research says.

When the economy slumps, so does tax revenue, and this recession has been no different, says Kerry Lynch, senior fellow at the AIER and author of the study. “It illustrates how severe the recession has been.”

For example, 6 million people lost jobs in the 12 months ended in April — and that means far fewer dollars from income taxes. Income tax revenue dropped 44% from a year ago. …

Big revenue losses mean that the U.S. budget deficit may be larger than predicted this year and in future years.

Time to break out the budget deficit projection chart again:

These projections were based on some very questionable assumptions, primarily that growth in 2009 would come it no lower than -1.2% of GDP.  There isn’t a direct correlation between percentage of tax receipts and GDP growth, but a 34% drop indicates that the first part of the year has shown a lot of loss.  The first quarter came in at an annualized GDP loss of -6%, which means that the next three quarters would have to show enough growth to get to that -1.2% GDP.  Theoretically, it could happen, but the enormous loss of revenue demonstrates its remote possibility.

More directly, that $138 billion goes directly to the bottom line of the 2009 deficit number.  Some loss had already been expected, but this is far worse than anyone imagined.  Unless we get that sharp reversal, the gray bars on this graph will extend far below either CBO or White House projections, and that will further damage the credit of the US in bond markets.  The debt Obama is incurring for his grand reorganization of American government will get more expensive, leading to higher debt-service payments in coming years, which will deepen these deficits even further.  It’s a vicious cycle, one which has only one eventual outcome: default.

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Obama’s solution to our national debt…

Print the paper and pay-off China IN FULL.
Barack makes bankruptcy unavoidable.
Revises our national currency to eliminate the dollar,
supplanted with an international NAFTA currency.
Naftar
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Dolso
Pelar
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Dolpes
Pesdol

maverick muse on May 27, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Huh. It’s almost like we’re out of money or something.

we CAN’T be, we still have checks…

GoodSamaritan on May 27, 2009 at 3:41 PM

can’t we sell California to the Chinese, throw in Pelosi as a bonus.

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on May 27, 2009 at 3:08 PM

No, that’d be Like Obama taking Michelle to a wife swapping party.

No takers and he wouldn’t be invited back.

TheSitRep on May 27, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Now they want to impose a VAT/sales tax of up to 25% are these IDIOTS CRAZY?

unseen on May 27, 2009 at

Thought it was 10%, now it’s up to 25%? We can’t afford a 5% additional sales tax. We already pay 8.25% sales tax, although there is no income tax in Texas – yet….as long as the Republicans are in control.

Susanboo on May 27, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Seven Percent Solution on May 27, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Today’s headlines!

maverick muse on May 27, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Look out, we will get the vat and then they will go after the money we have in IRA’s, 401k, and all retirement accounts. This bho and team wants it ALL.
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letget on May 27, 2009 at 3:22 PM

The State of Florida is/was “mulling over” whether or not to “borrow” money from our childrens’ college funds. Funds that are currently in their hands through the Florida Pre-Paid College Fund Program.

Key West Reader on May 27, 2009 at 3:47 PM

I`d rather have the puppy as president.

ThePrez on May 27, 2009 at 3:00 PM

QOTD in my opinion!

zeebeach on May 27, 2009 at 3:48 PM

OT… Meanwhile, over at CNN? Nary a mention of North Korea, the proposed VAT, the UAW’s ownership of GM…

nothing to see here @ CNN, sheeple. Move along.

Key West Reader on May 27, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Seriously, how long are we going to sit back and take this? 2010 better see record turn-outs of voters – including all of those who couldn’t hold their noses and vote McCain.

HadithHarry on May 27, 2009 at 3:49 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5379285/China-warns-Federal-Reserve-over-printing-money.html

“China warns Federal Reserve over ‘printing money’”

the_nile on May 27, 2009 at 3:50 PM

In 1992, Clinton was elected, in large part because he promised a middle class tax cut. Before the year was out, “circumstances” made that tax cut impossible.

In 2008, Obama was elected, in large part because he promised a middle class tax cut. Before the year was out …

For some reason, I doubt the public will ever learn.

MarkTheGreat on May 27, 2009 at 3:51 PM

What is the current teachings on 25% of $0.00?

When I went to school, the answer was $0.00, but I’m not sure what the correct answer is with Obama Math.

PappaMac on May 27, 2009 at 3:51 PM

at least the VAT would tax everybody, even those who pay nothing now (or will the “entitled” be exempt from VAT?).

kelley in virginia on May 27, 2009 at 3:52 PM

kelley in virginia on May 27, 2009 at 3:52 PM

Not exactly a ringing endorsement…hurray for double taxation!

AUINSC on May 27, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Cut funds to ACORN !!!

BO’s solution is: WE NEED NATIONAL HEALTHCARE NOW !!!

Never let a crisis go to waste.

stenwin77 on May 27, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Here is a chart of the 10-year bond interest rates since the FED began their quantitative easing (i.e. printing money):

BPD on May 27, 2009 at 3:53 PM

In 1992, Clinton was elected, in large part because he promised a middle class tax cut. Before the year was out, “circumstances” made that tax cut impossible.

In 2008, Obama was elected, in large part because he promised a middle class tax cut. Before the year was out …

For some reason, I doubt the public will ever learn.

MarkTheGreat on May 27, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Maybe, but Obama actually makes me miss Clinton.

Daggett on May 27, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Maybe, but Obama actually makes me miss Clinton.

Daggett on May 27, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Before it’s over, you’ll be missing Jimmuh Carter.

AUINSC on May 27, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Tax revenues down by a third? Clearly we need higher taxes and more government spending! At least according to Lefty Logic.

rbj on May 27, 2009 at 3:56 PM

How’s that tax cut for 95% of working American families working out for everyone………?

Seven Percent Solution on May 27, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Soon there won’t be any “working families” left, so no need to cut those taxes.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 3:57 PM

I miss Jimmah Carter.

But my aim is improving.

MarkTheGreat on May 27, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Before it’s over, you’ll be missing Jimmuh Carter.

Before it’s over, you’ll be missing Mao Tse Tung.

keep the change on May 27, 2009 at 3:58 PM

The State of Florida is/was “mulling over” whether or not to “borrow” money from our childrens’ college funds. Funds that are currently in their hands through the Florida Pre-Paid College Fund Program.
Key West Reader on May 27, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Look closer. That money got mailed out within milliseconds of it’s arrival from your checking account.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Hey, just like the way Ronnie broke the Soviet back, only in reverse.

Limerick on May 27, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Galt mania, attacking and stealing businesses has consequences, which means the middle class gets slammed (the poor already have a stake in this country because they’re oppressed (and they vote) hope you didn’t trust the government and kept your withholding at the same dollar amount as before the Obama pot o gold paycheck tax cut.

I think two income families will feel the pain next year.

No more AMT patches and the Obama tax chart will be for single earners.

Speakup on May 27, 2009 at 4:03 PM

at least the VAT would tax everybody, even those who pay nothing now (or will the “entitled” be exempt from VAT?).

kelley in virginia on May 27, 2009 at 3:52 PM

You create a tax, apply it to everyone, then exempt certain groups from it. You then refer to the exemption as a tax cut. This way, those that end up paying the tax don’t have the argument of being targeted by a tax hike.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 4:04 PM

And now they’re talking about a federal sales tax no less… Wow they really want to CRUSH the economy.

dogsoldier on May 27, 2009 at 4:05 PM

I think two income families will feel the pain next year.

BTW the reason you’ll feel the pain, is because you deserve too.

Speakup on May 27, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Gee, give Barry a break, will ya?! He hasn’t had any experience with finance other than doing a dirty deal with a crook like Rezko ’cause he needed a mansion to live in.

Just remember what Barry says, “You will all have to sacrifice.”

Cody1991 on May 27, 2009 at 4:06 PM

When socialism runs out of revenue, it begins to TAKE EVERYTHING !

How long before they come for our houses? They have already taken businesses.

A Cuban friend of mine said this is eerily similar to the fate of Cuba.

stenwin77 on May 27, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Don’t worry…the thieves are already planning a national sales tax….

JIMV on May 27, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Ye gads, now our government wants to tax our employee health care benefits! Do these stupid people think we get these benefits for free? We have great insurance through my hubby’s work, but we also pay a good deal for it, every month, out of his check. That and VAT, where does it stop?

Susanboo on May 27, 2009 at 4:15 PM

where does it stop?

Susanboo on May 27, 2009 at 4:15 PM

So long as liberals are in charge, and control, it won’t ever stop!!!

capejasmine on May 27, 2009 at 4:18 PM

stenwin77 on May 27, 2009 at 4:10 PM

They won’t take houses.

Oil, minerals, metals…

cntrlfrk on May 27, 2009 at 4:21 PM

They won’t take houses.

Oil, minerals, metals…

cntrlfrk on May 27, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Watch ‘em do just that. You’ll get an IRS bill for saving your roof.

Limerick on May 27, 2009 at 4:26 PM

They won’t take houses.

Oil, minerals, metals…

cntrlfrk on May 27, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Oh yes they would. Especially if someone below you, needs to be brought up. You make the sacrifice, for one less fortunate, so we can all be equal.

Venezuela had a mass exodus, because of Chavez doing this. Some came here. So where do we go, when this starts?

capejasmine on May 27, 2009 at 4:29 PM

First of the VAT will have a loop hole for giving tax credits to the poor and the rich will cut back only so much. Who gets screwed? the middle class.

jukin on May 27, 2009 at 4:29 PM

No, that’d be Like Obama taking Michelle to a wife swapping party.

No takers and he wouldn’t be invited back.

TheSitRep on May 27, 2009 at 3:42 PM

The fashion magazines I used to subscribe to strongly disagree with you. According to those magazines, MO is “the First Lady we have been waiting for” and the “new style icon.”

Callie C. on May 27, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Just raise taxes on the rich…

patch on May 27, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Gosh, who woulda thought that funneling money to the unworking moochers of our nation via risky mortgages would end up hurting honest hardworking people and businesses?

Hey, let’s try funneling money to some failed businesses in a vain effort to keep them afloat, and see what sort of collateral damage THAT causes. We could start with a couple of auto companies.

hawksruleva on May 27, 2009 at 4:32 PM

I’m not commenting here anymore. I just found out I’m being audited for 2007…

tommylotto on May 27, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Just raise taxes on the rich…

patch on May 27, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Rush had an interesting story from Maryland. They implemented a new tax on the richest 3%. 1/3 of those people left the state. Voila! MD now has even less tax revenue than before.

hawksruleva on May 27, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Here is a chart of the 10-year bond interest rates since the FED began their quantitative easing (i.e. printing money):

BPD on May 27, 2009 at 3:53 PM

I call it, “qualitative squeezing“.

I’m a stickler for accuracy in labeling.

progressoverpeace on May 27, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Two guys buy a bunch of watermelon for $3.00 each…they try to sell the melons for $5.00 and sell none, so they lower the price to 2 for $5.00 and they immediately sell out.
One turns to the other and says “Now what do we do?”, the other says, “I think we need a bigger truck”.
That is how Obama is thinking about the economy…

right2bright on May 27, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Shrug, baby, shrug!

Mew

acat on May 27, 2009 at 4:55 PM

They won’t take houses.

Oil, minerals, metals…

cntrlfrk on May 27, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Are you thinking they’ll ea push for people to turn in their precious metals for some sort of “credit”?

Yakko77 on May 27, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Rush had an interesting story from Maryland. They implemented a new tax on the richest 3%. 1/3 of those people left the state. Voila! MD now has even less tax revenue than before.

hawksruleva on May 27, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Same in California…people leave and the ones leaving are the “white collar” execs. Who takes their place? Low paid immigrants who don’t have to pay taxes.
So Ca. population increases, adding additional services to take care of the increase, but the revenues drop because the “money” is leaving.
One “brilliant” poster told me, obviously I didn’t see who he was golfing with in his foursome, because all four of them are doing just fine…head in sand, and fiddling at the same time.

right2bright on May 27, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Are you thinking they’ll push for people to turn in their precious metals for some sort of “credit”?

Yakko77 on May 27, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Yeah. “Stay out of jail” credit.

progressoverpeace on May 27, 2009 at 4:57 PM

IRS revenues dropping rapidly

I did my share. How about you?

I needed a bailout and gave myself one, instead of letting Obama give it to the UAW and other corporate criminals he’s propping up with my money.

roninacreage on May 27, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Who needs money so long as the welfare checks keep rolling in.

saiga on May 27, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Atlas just shrugged.

logis on May 27, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Why is this far worse than anyone imagined?

They are lieing (but I repeat myself).

Anybody with a brain could figure this out. THERE ARE NO CAPITAL GAINS TAX REVENUES for all of 2008. In addition, fewer people were employed and tax refunds would have been much larger than in prior years for that reason. And bonuses for highly compensated people dropped like a rock. And doncha think that maybe, just maybe, corporate tax receipts would be down?

Duh.

And no doubt, people with money were racing all of last year to get as much of it offshore as possible.

Does it take a rocket scientist to predict that there would be a dramatic drop in tax.

But wait, we have the second smartest man in the world heading Treasury, and the smartest man in the world in the White House.

How could they possibly have overlooked such obvious factors that even pajama clad bloggers could figure them out.

notagool on May 27, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Stimulus did not work for the Government……because it did not work for the Economy. Cause and Effect, as in negative effect.

Harvard Graduates are Not smarter than a 5th Grader. BHOle proves it daily.

JayTee on May 27, 2009 at 5:19 PM

It’s time to start laying off government workers, federal and state.

onlineanalyst on May 27, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Oh ye of little faith!

We are going to becoming a rich nation. Just sell all the green technology we are developing to China and India. Jobs and GDP will multiply like the Civic Hybrids we see everywhere amd the rest of us can have ten speeds.

The SUVs will be gone since we will all live in city tenements. Who could keep a McMansion?

IlikedAUH2O on May 27, 2009 at 5:25 PM

So what does this idiot think will happen when he chases even more business out of the USA, or just out of business?

No matter I guess, that top 1% will just volunteer their entire incomes to cover his marxism, yeah?

Right. Lock and load….

Spiritk9 on May 27, 2009 at 5:29 PM

We need to start taxing Congress and the White house; This will put a serious dent in the debt!

Cybergeezer on May 27, 2009 at 5:32 PM

I wonder how much of this is from Galting?

ElRonaldo on May 27, 2009 at 3:06 PM

I was thinking the same thing this morning. What happens when business owners begin to fire themselves? Anarchy.

jimmy2shoes on May 27, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Glenn Reynolds nailed the health care aspects of this on Monday:

So we’re out of money because we don’t have national health care? Bogus. I think, instead, that it has something to do with the fact that Obama has been pouring money down a crony-statist rathole at absolutely astronomical and unprecedented rates.

Read the whole thing!

EconomicNeocon on May 27, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Dear Leader reminds me of Ed Sullivan in that pic for some reason…

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 27, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Before it’s over, you’ll be missing Jimmuh Carter.

AUINSC on May 27, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Before it’s over, you will be missing Jame Buchanan.

Vashta.Nerada on May 27, 2009 at 6:02 PM

can’t we sell California to the Chinese, throw in Pelosi as a bonus.

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on May 27, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Too late they already saw her.

faol on May 27, 2009 at 6:05 PM

We have great insurance through my hubby’s work

Susanboo on May 27, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Not for long. Meet Dr. Bimboobah

faol on May 27, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Before it’s over, you will be missing James Buchanan.

Vashta.Nerada on May 27, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Vashta.Nerada on May 27, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Vashta.Nerada on May 27, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Ha! Before it’s over, you’ll be missing Nero.

AUINSC on May 27, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Come now children, you are not behaving like good socialists.

hip shot on May 27, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Venezuela had a mass exodus, because of Chavez doing this. Some came here. So where do we go, when this starts?

capejasmine on May 27, 2009 at 4:29 PM

no where. you fight.

AZ_Redneck on May 27, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Obama to Axlerod: Master, It’s working.

faol on May 27, 2009 at 6:16 PM

It’s time to start laying off government workers, federal and state.

onlineanalyst on May 27, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Hire this man!

chipandcharge on May 27, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Haven’t you heard? Everything is going to fine. Obama is going to back out the cost of fighting in Iraq for the next twenty years!

Star20 on May 27, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Oh yes they would. Especially if someone below you, needs to be brought up. You make the sacrifice, for one less fortunate, so we can all be equal.

Venezuela had a mass exodus, because of Chavez doing this. Some came here. So where do we go, when this starts?

capejasmine on May 27, 2009 at 4:29 PM

This thought terrifies me, because of the new building codes in New York mandating wheelchair accessibility. In the 70s, landlords rented whole buildings out to Section 8. Our apt in the East Village was full of AIDS patients, and I’m sure families were evicted to accommodate the needy. I am worried, because my husband and I have an opportunity to buy our apt in two years when it flips to condos, but I’m not sure what will be happening with the economy then.

chunderroad on May 27, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Half of this is People “Going Galt”. Income is being hidden all over this Nation. Truly, I see the Federal Government going well and truly bankrupt. As Ayn Rand say, “Watch for the day when the check gets returned “Over drawn”. We are well on our way to Stagflation.

GunRunner on May 27, 2009 at 11:56 PM

Half of this is People “Going Galt”. Income is being hidden all over this Nation.
GunRunner on May 27, 2009 at 11:56 PM

Not just income, but assets as well. People who own property know full well Obama will be coming after everything.

Next step, look for Obama to drop hints that he might be considering a capital gains tax cut after he sees how few assets are being reported this year. It will be way too late, and no one who matters will fall for it anyway.

It’s like playing chess against a retarded child — who has nuclear weapons.

logis on May 28, 2009 at 3:27 AM

logis on May 28, 2009 at 3:27 AM

They’re having problems getting private parties to participate in the PPIP (the public private investment partnership, or whatever it’s called) and bid for toxic assets. People don’t trust the government not to change the rules midstream. You don’t say …

The market is the only thing that can stop this lunatic and his junta on Capitol Hill. It’s the only thing that the average American pays attention to and that the MSM can’t filter. The market caught The Precedent off-guard the first time (he hadn’t even considered that a nation is a complex mechanism with many different moving parts) but the idiot messiah knows it, now. He, and his America-hating buddies in Congress will keep passing awful legislation so long as the Dow is above 7500.

progressoverpeace on May 28, 2009 at 6:30 AM

He, and his America-hating buddies in Congress will keep passing awful legislation so long as the Dow is above 7500 they are still in power.

progressoverpeace on May 28, 2009 at 6:30 AM

darktood on May 28, 2009 at 10:11 AM

supplanted with an international NAFTA currency.
Naftar
Nafso
Dolso
Pelar
Peslar
Dolpes
Pesdol

maverick muse on May 27, 2009 at 3:41 PM

You left off the obvious one:

Pelosi

VekTor on May 28, 2009 at 1:47 PM

The market is the only thing that can stop this lunatic and his junta on Capitol Hill. It’s the only thing that the average American pays attention to and that the MSM can’t filter.
progressoverpeace on May 28, 2009 at 6:30 AM

The stock market will rise, and the stock market will fall, just like it always has. But Obama’s “stimulus” will keep the GDP dropping at a double-digit pace for the next four years. The liberal media may try to “filter” it, but we can overcome that if we focus on that one figure and keep pounding it home to people.

I have absolutely no idea what the Dow Jones Average will be in November of 2012, but America’s after-inflation GDP will be at least 40% less than it was the day that Barak Obama took office. It doesn’t matter whether that statistic is “sexy” or not, it’s enough to win an election if we use it correctly.

logis on May 28, 2009 at 6:24 PM

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