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Employer takes down Blue Star mom’s flag; Update: Hospital changes its mind; Update: No one said anything about size

posted at 12:50 pm on May 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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We’re getting a lot of e-mail on this story, and it’s not hard to see why.  Kindred Hospital in Mansfield, Texas took down an American flag after getting complaints from Debbie McLucas’ co-workers and patients, who thought the display of the flag was offensive.  McLucas, whose daughter is serving in Iraq, wonders whether her daughter has risked her life for nothing:

When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive. “I was just totally speechless. I was like, ‘You’re kidding me,’” McLucas said.

McLucas’ husband and sons are former military men. Her daughter is currently serving in Iraq as a combat medic.

Stifling a cry, McLucas said, “I just wonder if all those young men and women over there are really doing this for nothing.”

McLucas said the supervisor who complained has been in the United States for 14 years and is formerly from Africa. McLucas said the supervisor took down Debbie’s flag herself.

“The flag and the pole had been placed on the floor,” McLucas said. But McLucas also said hospital higher ups had told her some patients’ families and visitors had also complained.

“I was told it wouldn’t matter if it was only one person,” she said. “It would have to come down.”

In one very limited sense. McLucas makes the wrong argument.  The property belongs to her employer, not herself, and they have the right to set the conditions of the workplace, within the safety regulations of the local, state, and federal laws.  Technically, she doesn’t have the right to display the flag at her workstation, and the large flag she displays for the camera might have provided a basis for complaint on limited space or other considerations.

However, according to McLucas, that wasn’t the reason they took down her flag.  They removed it because the American flag offended people.  What about the flag offended them?  If the flag offensed them at McLucas’ desk, why doesn’t the flag outside the hospital offend them, too, which the hospital said would remain?  If it was a Pittsburgh Steelers flag in this Dallas suburb, I could understand it, but the American flag is the symbol of the nation in which these people choose to live.

The notion that the American flag would give such offense that one single complaint about it would prompt the hospital to remove it is patently absurd, and one suspects that Kindred lacks an HR director with sufficient testicular fortitude to tell the supervisor involved to pay more attention to his work than McLucas’ flag.

Watch the video at the link.

Update: Blue star, not Gold.  My apologies.

Update II: Via College Politico’s Twitter feed, it appears that Kindred has had a change of heart (same link as above):

Wednesday morning, however, our story received nationwide attention.  We have received dozens of emails and comments from people who had something to say about it.  And a receptionist at Kindred’s headquarters told us they received many phone calls.

Then, late Wednesday morning, Kindred posted on its website a statement about the incident.  It reads, in part:  “The disagreement was over the size of the flag and not what it symbolized. We have invited the employee to put the flag back up.”

Well, if size was the problem, why are they now not concerned about it?  I think that if Kindred had told her to use a smaller flag, she would have had no problem in complying.  Looks like Kindred wants to apply some rapid healing to their collective rear end after having it kicked all over the media today.  Anyway, they came to the right decision … eventually.

Update III: The CBS station has updated its story again, and McLucas says the hospital’s CEO called her personally to apologize.  However, she also says that no one told her that the size of the flag was the problem:

But she says when she was first told the flag had to go, nobody mentioned anything about its size.

“At no point was I afforded the opportunity — [no one said,] ‘Hey Deb, could you get a one and a half by three and a half and hang it instead of hanging this three by five?’” McLucas said.

I’d be a lot more impressed if Kindred had just admitted, “One of our supervisors and one of our managers screwed up.  Of course the American flag is not offensive, and we apologize to Mrs. McLucas for the error.”  That would have done wonders for their credibility.


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capejasmine on May 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Wow…doesn’t surprise me…but you know if we the people don’t make hay day on things like this, we will lose our country. Progressives are known to use the Youth against the parents.

Conservative Voice on May 27, 2009 at 1:32 PM

It is very sad that this happened on the friday before Memorial Day.

I would like to know the nationalities of the people who complained. Were they illegals, green card holders, newly made citizens?

Glad to hear that people were calling and emailing the hospital. Hope they continue to get calls telling them what a bad decision they made in taking the flag down.

texasconserv on May 27, 2009 at 1:34 PM

It should be noted, though, that it’s mostly considered offensive to muslims. I wonder what religion this woman from “Africa” is.

LibTired on May 27, 2009 at 1:13 PM

I was wondering the same thing. “Africa” can mean anything.

CarolynM on May 27, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Abby Adams on May 27, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Free Speech doesn’t apply on private property. And we don’t have free speech anymore anyway…I mean we can’t have a cross on public land, we have McCain’s campaign finance law, hate speech…

Conservative Voice on May 27, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Conservative Voice on May 27, 2009 at 1:32 PM

I agree!!!

capejasmine on May 27, 2009 at 1:35 PM

A fresh Jelly Belly for our Texas cohort:

A founding member of a Muslim charity in Texas has been sentenced to 65 years in prison for sending millions of dollars to terrorists overseas.

Shukri Abu Baker, 50, of Garland, was the first of five members of the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development to be sentenced Wednesday.

The second defendant, Mohammed el-Mezain, was sentenced to 15 years.

Their November convictions on 108 charges followed a mistrial in which the government failed to sway jurors that the charity sent more than $12 million to the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas.

Welcome to America, number 452312884-1354.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 1:36 PM

capejasmine on May 27, 2009 at 1:31 PM

I really do wish I was exaggerating. The fact of the matter is that Californians, in general, believe that everyone feels (notice I didn’t say “think”) that everyone believes exactly as they do, and thus feel that we Texas natives owe them something just for being consumers of oxygen.

They’ve already seized control of Austin and San Antonio, and are currently working on Houston and Dallas/Fort Worth.

Vic on May 27, 2009 at 1:37 PM

The American flag is offensive?

I just…don’t…know what to say to that.

therightwinger on May 27, 2009 at 1:38 PM

If the American flag offends you, then please leave America. The flag represents our nation, not our government nor any specific policy.

rbj on May 27, 2009 at 1:38 PM

I see they got that flag put back up before I could get all steamed up about it. Good–my blood pressure’s high enough as it is.

Bob's Kid on May 27, 2009 at 1:42 PM

So why isn’t there a huge crowd of people down there picketing in front of the hospital with flags?

Conservatives better get the memo that action and not words gets results. You have got to put the fear of retribution back into people or they are just going to keep rolling over you

Sugarbuzz on May 27, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Shortly after 9/11, I remember reading about a woman (I think she lived in a nicer part of San Francisco) who was moved to put a flag outside her home. She confessed to mixed feelings about it, and after a few weeks she took the flag down and felt embarassed that she had put it up in the first place.

This really opened my eyes to the fact that there is a segment of the population who regards displaying the American flag, and love of ones’ country in general, as the province of yahoos. I guess the thinking is that well-educated people “understand” the evil influence of the United States and would never risk looking like a trailer park cracker by showing a flag.

Cicero43 on May 27, 2009 at 1:44 PM

I find the actions of her supervisor offensive. Perhaps a permanent trip back to Africa is in order. Not trying to be offensive, but if seeing an American flag bothers him or her so much, that person really should consider living somewhere else.

Mr. Joe on May 27, 2009 at 1:44 PM

I was wondering the same thing. “Africa” can mean anything.

CarolynM on May 27, 2009 at 1:34 PM

It doesn’t matter. If she’s not a natural born citizen she should be shown the exit immediately.

See

FloatingRock on May 27, 2009 at 1:18 PM

DarkCurrent on May 27, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Weenies.

I find the supervisor offensive, will the hospital remove them?

Geministorm on May 27, 2009 at 1:45 PM

All that matters among this wimpy hand-wringing is this:

IS THE FLAG STILL THERE OR NOT?

No?

We lost again. Case closed.

jay12 on May 27, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Never give up. Never surrender.

- The Cat

MirCat on May 27, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Love it!
part of the likes of Glenn Beck’s ‘army’ ha….

Feeling powerless and speaking up rather than remaining silent.

But, I still want to know more about the employee that was “offended” in the first place…..like I said, probably some busy body, control freak in the office who really has no opinion on flags or policies of countries.
Maybe O’Reilly will stalk her in the parking lot for me. lol~

bridgetown on May 27, 2009 at 1:45 PM

All that matters among this wimpy hand-wringing is this:

IS THE FLAG STILL THERE OR NOT?

No?

We lost again. Case closed.

jay12 on May 27, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Never give up. Never surrender.

- The Cat

MirCat on May 27, 2009 at 1:45 PM

:)

bridgetown on May 27, 2009 at 1:46 PM

What I find offensive is the complainer was an immigrant. This is what we allow in our country now, self-righteous, bigoted, America haters.

pat on May 27, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Doesn’t Texas have a US flag on their license plates?

She can’t fly home on US airline; they have US flags painted on them. She’ll have to go on Mugabe Airlines.

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Sugarbuzz on May 27, 2009 at 1:44 PM

because the Hospital reversed decision. That’s why. And they did it because of conservatives making noise. Or…well, patriots, really..who knows who they were..

bridgetown on May 27, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Well, if size was the problem, why are they now not concerned about it?

Because it was never about the size.

Enoxo on May 27, 2009 at 1:51 PM

It must be standard procedure for people to leave a place they don’t like only to try to make their new location exactly like their former. Northerners love trying to change the South. And not that it is anyone’s fault (television) I miss accents. All of them.

Cindy Munford on May 27, 2009 at 1:53 PM

I find the actions of her supervisor offensive. Perhaps a permanent trip back to Africa is in order. Not trying to be offensive, but if seeing an American flag bothers him or her so much, that person really should consider living somewhere else.

Mr. Joe on May 27, 2009 at 1:44 PM

I agree. I talk to people who come to this country for a better life(legally by the way, ask me why some people here hate this country. I truly don’t have an answer for them. They tell me that those who do, should move to another country, and see how soon they miss America.

Sanjoboy on May 27, 2009 at 1:53 PM

I just love that logic. They hate the high cost of living, and taxations in their state, so they flee, to a state with lower costs of living, and taxes, only to try and make it into what they fled from? Gawd what imbeciles.

capejasmine on May 27, 2009 at 1:31 PM

That’s what all these Europeans etc. are doing here, though. Look at some of the loudest voices of the “progressive” movement. Huffington, Soros, Markos… all are here from lib ratholes and want “change”.

LibTired on May 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Had I found that flag on the floor, I might very well have dragged the person who put it there over by their ears and told them to pick it up. Now.

Bishop on May 27, 2009 at 12:55 PM

My sentiments exactly.

1 – The flag was her property; it is generally considered inappropriate to manhandle the property of one’s coworkers.
2 – The American flag must never, ever touch the ground. From American Flag Etiquette:

Federal law stipulates many aspects of flag etiquette. The section of law dealing with American Flag etiquette is generally referred to as the Flag Code. Some general guidelines from the Flag Code answer many of the most common questions:

When the flag is lowered, no part of it should touch the ground or any other object; it should be received by waiting hands and arms. To store the flag it should be folded neatly and ceremoniously.

And then, theres:
3 – I don’t much care for folks who freely and willingly partake of every freedom our great nation has to offer, but find the American flag so offensive that they can’t bear to look at it.
As we say here in eastern N.C., somebody would’ve toted an a** whippin’ over that.

uncivilized on May 27, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Enoxo on May 27, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Size doesn’t matter, eh?

Abby Adams on May 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Shortly after 9/11, I remember reading about a woman (I think she lived in a nicer part of San Francisco) who was moved to put a flag outside her home. She confessed to mixed feelings about it, and after a few weeks she took the flag down and felt embarassed that she had put it up in the first place.

This really opened my eyes to the fact that there is a segment of the population who regards displaying the American flag, and love of ones’ country in general, as the province of yahoos. I guess the thinking is that well-educated people “understand” the evil influence of the United States and would never risk looking like a trailer park cracker by showing a flag.

Cicero43 on May 27, 2009 at 1:44 PM

In the days after 9/11, far-Left “writer” Katha Pollitt wrote a steaming heap for her employer, The Nation. In it, she whined that after the attacks, her young daughter wanted to display the American flag outside their NYC residence.

She basically told her daughter to F*** off.

And she wrote about doing so in her article, called “Put Out No Flags”

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20011008/pollitt

Del Dolemonte on May 27, 2009 at 2:03 PM

because the Hospital reversed decision. That’s why. And they did it because of conservatives making noise. Or…well, patriots, really..who knows who they were..

bridgetown on May 27, 2009 at 1:48 PM

I don’t care if the reversed their decision, there needs to be a follow up protest that drives the point home.

I am sick and tired of hearing about crap like this, so sick and tired I have become loud, militant, and confrontational with people when they start spouting liberal crap. I never would have done that in the past, I would have just rolled my eyes, shrugged, and went on with business. Hey it (was) a free country.

Now, I am ANGRY. VERY angry. I can’t help it. Every day brings some new fresh outrage that mostly goes unanswered, because we are either too polite or too fucking lazy to get off our asses and take care of business with these clowns. Everything good and decent about America is under assault from liberal kooks and ungrateful immigrants, the Republicans are worthless, Democrats are turning the country into Venezuela…

I have to leave this discussion because my blood is boiling

Sugarbuzz on May 27, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Size doesn’t matter, eh?

Abby Adams on May 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Hey, this is a family blog LOL.

Del Dolemonte on May 27, 2009 at 2:05 PM

McLucas said the supervisor who complained has been in the United States for 14 years and is formerly from Africa.

So the supervisor isn’t from Africa any more?

You can’t be “formerly from” somewhere.

You also can’t be an “ex-convict” just because you served your sentence and were released. Only if your conviction is reversed do you qualify for that one.

Isn’t it great how the MainScream Media has all these layers of fact-checkers and editors to make their product better than what the ’sphere puts out?

The Monster on May 27, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Mansfield!!!!!!
Yes, the hospital is very lucky it put back that American flag pronto. You can bet there’s one employee showing up for work in a large hat and dark sunglasses, and it isn’t this Military Mom.

Marcus on May 27, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Firefighters in Berzerkely were ordered to take American Flags off their engines because of, I kid you not, the danger of attacks from “peace activists”.

corona on May 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM

capejasmine on May 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Wow…doesn’t surprise me…but you know if we the people don’t make hay day on things like this, we will lose our country. Progressives are known to use the Youth against the parents.

Conservative Voice on May 27, 2009 at 1:32 PM

This is a good issue for Conservatives to use youth against the “parents”. Young adults are usually healthier than older people, and need less medical care. The argument could be made, why should they be forced to pay more to the Government for health care they don’t need?

Whereas, private health-care insurance through employers could offer several plans, with different deductibles, and possibly premiums that are age-adjusted. Young adults are generally healthier, but have lower incomes than middle-aged adults with more experience in the workplace.

There would need to be a provision that insurance companies not be allowed to drop patients due to job loss or retirement–that person who loses his/her job be allowed to continue with the same insurance if he pays the premiums. In this way, if a person stays with the same insurance company over many years, the premiums paid over many years will cover the medical expenses when the person becomes old and sickly.

Steve Z on May 27, 2009 at 2:23 PM

“The disagreement was over the size of the flag and not what it symbolized. We have invited the employee to put the flag back up.”

So it was the size of the flag that was offensive? But the same size flag isn’t offensive any more?

What’s with these HR / Communications departments that issue patently misleading statements that are an insult to anyone with a brain? If I was CEO of that joint I would be looking to do some house-cleaning. When people you pay to make you look good start making you look bad, they are not getting what their job is all about.

Who do they think they are, newspaper editors? Nancy Pelosi? Colin Powell?

drunyan8315 on May 27, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Mansfield is in Tarrant County, outside of Dallas/Ft.Worth, TX.

Whoever that supervisor from Africa was, had she been a citizen immigrant, THAT would have been part of the story. That leaves the supervisor an immigrant on a work visa, though possibly an illegal immigrant, whether entry was legal or illegal, overstaying. A formal complaint should be filed against said supervisor as harboring anti-American sentiment, directed to immigration and homeland security (have it on record, though nothing likely to come of it).

maverick muse on May 27, 2009 at 2:31 PM

McLucas said the supervisor who complained has been in the United States for 14 years and is formerly from Africa.

After reading the update that the hospital has changed its mind, that’s good news. However they handled this very poorly, if it truly was the size of the flag that was at issue they should have said so from the beginning and let her get a smaller one, perhaps a nice desk sized one, however the quote above tells me they are lying and the truth behind the flag issue was this supervisor from Africa being offended.

Personally had this person from Africa approached me and complained about being offended by the flag (even at the risk of being fired) I would have told this person straight up that if the American flag offended him/her so much then he/she should move their azz back to Africa ’cause the flag stays!

Liberty or Death on May 27, 2009 at 2:35 PM

My grandfather raised a US flag in his backyard until literally, the day that he died. He told my father to remember where we came from (Italy) but remember why we came to the US.

If you don’t particularly like our flag and what it stands for,

“Do something for this country, to make it strong and grand: pack up your belongings and move to another land.”

keyboarddude on May 27, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Anyone who lives in this country and is offended by the American Flag can get the “f” out as far as I am concerned. Nothing pisses me off more than stories like this.

milwife88 on May 27, 2009 at 2:38 PM

For someone to complain about the flag is disgraceful. This is another indication that some people come to this country for economic reasons only and do not want to be “Americans”. No one forces anyone to come here, so if your that sensitive about our flag, go to hell home and don’t let the door of the plane hit you in the ass on your way.
Having said that, this is just another sign of how our country has lost the values and principles that mad it great. I’m not very optimistic for the future of this land and feel sorry for all those who served and died to give us what we once had.

hillbilly on May 27, 2009 at 2:40 PM

She will be fired. The political correctness in the medical field will allow nothing else.

roux on May 27, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Just one more thing. The fact that pressure made them change their minds says little of the management. Just like DHS taking back the memo on calling anyone who disagrees with government policy a terrorist, the fact is the mind set of these people still exists.

hillbilly on May 27, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Anyone who is offended by our flag can pick up their worthless ass up and get the hell out of my country! And don’t let the door hit them on the way out. Blood shoots out of my eyes when I here of MORONS like this! My God, what is this country becoming?

Deacon on May 27, 2009 at 2:44 PM

I like blue but hate red. Would not own a red car for anything. However, just the site of our flag under any circumstance ALWAYS causes me to pause and admire it. I have done that as long as I can remember. Perhaps as a child seeing the patch on my fathers uniform, don’t know. It’s a beautifull flag and I have a large one in the front window of my business. If it offends thee cut out your eyes, bitch!

faol on May 27, 2009 at 2:49 PM

People from Kenya don’t like our flag because it reminds them that their fathers were worthless pieces of trash that never loved them or took care of them in the first place. The only cure for this is going to Indonesia and being raised as a muslim so you can relate better to barbaric religion customs… Then you have to spend a couple of years in Hawaii working on you body surfing and ghetto street cred…. I forgot what I was writing about….

2Tru2Tru on May 27, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Anyone have a link to the message they supposedly put on their website?

Lynn2008 on May 27, 2009 at 3:08 PM

I feel sorry for:

(a)The hospital. Some low level supervisor makes a foolish decision, and then some bigger idiot middle-level manager backs her up. Now the entire Hospital corporation finds itself in serious hot water because of the stupid actions of some first and second line supervisors. Somebody’s hide is going to removed and nailed to the wall on this one.

(b)The supervisors (surprisingly). Having made my fair share of stupid decisions, I can empathize with them somewhat. I’ve never done anything THIS dumb, however. What a STUPID thing to do. What an extremely idiotic thing to do. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!?!?!? If I were them, I would start sending out resumes like yesterday. Their careers at that place are effectively over.

Marking Time on May 27, 2009 at 3:11 PM

I grew up in CA…so it saddens me to say, Californians ruined Oregon and Washington…they are close to ruining Utah and Nevada…but we must draw the line to Texas!

Conservative Voice on May 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM

I grew up in NoCal (Bay Area) and moved to AZ in 1993 to escape the lunacy that is California. Unfortunately many in Cali are moving to AZ in search of lower taxes and home prices and of course the libs are trying to make AZ Cali East!

The Cali lib morons just can’t grasp the concept that you cannot kill the golden goose, e.g., if you do nothing but cater to the non-productive citizens at the expense of your tax base (employers and productive citizens) in order to provide every social program under the sun to those that live off the gubment dole your tax base will leave and your state will be bankrupt…like Cali is now!

So I guess now that the gubment leaches see the writing on the wall in Cali it’s off to other states to suck on the teat until it too goes dry…we need to end this now before it’s too late!

Liberty or Death on May 27, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Anyone have a link to the message they supposedly put on their website?

Lynn2008 on May 27, 2009 at 3:08 PM

http://www.kindredhealthcare.com/Press/2009-05-27.asp

BobMbx on May 27, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Then, late Wednesday morning, Kindred posted on its website a statement about the incident. It reads, in part: “The disagreement was over the size of the flag and not what it symbolized. We have invited the employee to put the flag back up.”

Ugh. Why can’t the hospital just admit they made a bad call and own up to it? Are Liberals that delusional?

the_souse on May 27, 2009 at 3:22 PM

2Tru2Tru on May 27, 2009 at 2:56 PM

I needed that. :0)

the_souse on May 27, 2009 at 3:24 PM

I’m all for displays of patriotism, but really, a flag that big (if the picture on the cover is real) displayed indoors at one’s workplace? Having done a lot of renovation work in hospitals I know that with all of the medical equipment and general “stuff” that we had to plan around, there isn’t a lot of extra space for much else.

Offensive? definitely not.

Obtrusive? quite possibly.

I would think that a simple request for a more reasonably sized flag for the space it was in could have saved a lot of trouble.

Scrappy on May 27, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Thanks for the link, BobMbx.

That’s a pathetic statement from them. Ugh.

Lynn2008 on May 27, 2009 at 3:34 PM

It’d take Caesar, Charlemagne, Napoleon, the Kaiser, two Hirohitos, a J.Edgar Hoover, and that Black Monolith they found on the moon just to get within ten feet of our service flag. Even then they wouldn’t bring enough bows, arrows, scorpions, 12 lbrs, Thompsons or gamma rays to convince me to take it down.

Same goes for the Stars and Stripes, Lone Star, and Star of David flying in the yard.

Limerick on May 27, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Limerick on May 27, 2009 at 3:48 PM

+1 Though you should add the Dont Tread on Me Flag to your yard :)

Conservative Voice on May 27, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Liberty or Death on May 27, 2009 at 3:13 PM

The key is networking…the media and the schools are against us, fight accordingly.

Conservative Voice on May 27, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Mansfield is a Fort Worth suburb.. NOT Dallas.

That is your geography lesson for today.. thank you.

Now are now returning you to your regularly scheduled post.

GoodBoy on May 27, 2009 at 4:07 PM

So the are saying now it is the size of the flag and not what it represents? That’s why it was taken down and put on the floor? Give me a break.

free on May 27, 2009 at 4:09 PM

foolish decision

I read an account where the woman said the supervisor took the flag down and it was found ON THE FLOOR.

Supervisor needs to be fired.

dogsoldier on May 27, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Mansfield was a farming community up until about 15-20 years ago. I would bet more than a few Fort Worth natives contacted the hospital and read them the riot act.

GoodBoy on May 27, 2009 at 4:16 PM

The ‘African who’s been in this country for 14 years’ needs to go back to her Mother Continent, and revel in the glory of it

but what’s the point? It’s sad to hear so many of you agonize and express anger about this, but these incidents are increasingly common–and will continue to get worse–MUCH WORSE, and more frequent

For an increasing number of people in this country, there is no America as you and I understand that concept: There is only an economy and a territory which contains a certain number of individuals and a certain number of workers–and customers, businesses, government offices, etc

For an increasing number and percentage of people in America, this country is nothing more than a place to live and an abstraction that needs to be ‘fixed’ in such a way that will improve their lives.

Janos Hunyadi on May 27, 2009 at 4:21 PM

I don’t see a statement on their website

pabarge on May 27, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Here is how you can contact the hospital to complain.

Do not let up. Hammer them.

pabarge on May 27, 2009 at 5:18 PM

So; How long before “We the People” get offended by butt wipes like this taking our rights away?

Cybergeezer on May 27, 2009 at 5:25 PM

If my flag were found on the ground I’d have been fired because I would have kicked the ever-lovin’-shit outta that person.

A. Don’t touch my property you freakin’ hatemonger (America hater).

B. Don’t desecrate the flag like that, EVER.

C. Contact me before making and enacting a policy like this or else I’m assuming I’ve done nothing wrong by displaying our nation’s flag.

Luckily, I work for a large engineering firm that does a lot of business with the military and government. Patriotism is not only permitted, but encouraged here.

Geministorm on May 27, 2009 at 5:27 PM

I live in Grand Prairie, right where it meets up with Mansfield and I wish I had heard this story earlier – I certainly would have thrown in my two cents as well! Maybe I should get my news from somewhere other than Hot Air….. naaaah.
;)

XWing5 on May 27, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Maybe the hospital could display flag’s from the womans daughters’ unit in Iraq. The company I work for Has 2 framed flags at the entrance to our building, the first thing people see. Presented to them from 2 employees reserve units while they were overseas. Every mornig those flags reminded me that they were serving & to pray for them and they remind me now of the on going sacrifices of our service men. Every year at work wehonor our veteran employees.

Kevin in Southern Illinois on May 27, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Wonder how many of us in this country still cling to the notion that Communists really don’t exist because McCarthy was mean to people and famous actors (still, in fact) say he was wrong, or that if there are Communists they all live some place else?

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 27, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Kindred Hospital in Mansfield, Texas took down an American flag after getting complaints from Debbie McLucas’ co-workers and patients, who thought the display of the flag was offensive.

I read through the story many times and I can only come up with a few broad conclusions.

1. This a typical hospital with the usual DMV mentality lurking just below all that empathy they show patients and their families.

2. There is “friction” between McLucas and at least one of her co-workers. It wasn’t the flag that was offensive but a way of somebody/ies to get back at “that bitch.”

3. The administrators of Kindred Hospital are conflict averse. They would rather sneak in and take an American flag down from an employee’s space than openly deal with the issue.

Bottom line, IMO, No sane person would take their loved one to this hospital because they are an unsound organization to be dealing with health issues. They can’t even deal with a relatively tame employee squabble without it making the national news.

highhopes on May 27, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Maybe the hospital could display flag’s from the womans daughters’ unit in Iraq.
Kevin in Southern Illinois on May 27, 2009 at 5:49 PM

I love the spirit of your idea. You should nominate your company for recognition through the Employers Support of the Guard and Reserve program. http://www.esgr.org/

highhopes on May 27, 2009 at 6:04 PM

What kind of idiot lives in a country and is offended when they see the national flag? What kind of idiot manager treats a complaint from someone that they are offended by seeing the national flag as legitimate?

Why is the complainer still living in the USA?
Why does the manager still have a job? He is obviously qualified only to be a manager in a Dilbert comic strip.

Eugene on May 27, 2009 at 6:14 PM

I find it offensive that the flag was left on the floor. Our flag is a symbol of our country, more than just a colored piece of cloth. I disagree with the governments of many nations (N. Korea, China, Myanmar, etc), but I wouldn’t disrespect their flags like that. I wouldn’t do it to a Canadian or British flag either – even though it would be safer!

If this supervisor is not a citizen, we need to find out why she’s been here this long. It’s been 14 years, and obviously she hasn’t figured out basic American flag ettiquete yet.

Anna on May 27, 2009 at 6:16 PM

I love the spirit of your idea. You should nominate your company for recognition through the Employers Support of the Guard and Reserve program. http://www.esgr.org/

highhopes on May 27, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Kevin in Southern Illinois on May 27, 2009 at 6:20 PM

I

love the spirit of your idea. You should nominate your company for recognition through the Employers Support of the Guard and Reserve program. http://www.esgr.org/

highhopes on May 27, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Sorry hit submit to early. Thanks highhopes. I have 2 nephews serving in air force. I will check out the link.

Kevin in Southern Illinois on May 27, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Reminds me of an MTV segment a few years back.

Shortly after the Iraq War started, MTV did a retrospect on young artists. This one high school kid was being interviewed, and said something to the effect that the American flag reminded him of the military, which to him was offensive.

It just makes me literally sick to my stomach when anyone, especially an American, is actually offended by our flag. We can all have different political and social opinions…that’s part of what this nation is about. But when the US flag becomes something offensive, and to be removed from sight, we all lose.

JetBoy on May 27, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Welcome to the USSR. Obama is the new Khrushchev. Pretty soon he will be sending out his thugs to silence dissent.

ThomasB. on May 27, 2009 at 6:25 PM

They came to the right decision in a disingenuous manner.

threeCents on May 27, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Happy thought for the day:

These moronic supervisors may also be in a position to make life-and-death decisions. After ObamaCare takes effect, the African supervisor will probably be given a promotion and be put in charge of decided which bitter-clingers get care or not. Hint, if you donate to the GOP forgettaboutit. Kiss you ass, or car dealership, goodbye.

Kalapana on May 27, 2009 at 6:54 PM

The immigrant supervisor can go *uck himself.

Jaibones on May 27, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Send the bastard back to Africa. Deport him.

promachus on May 27, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Hey! Maybe the supervisor’s from Kenya and is part of Obama’s clan. If she’s been here 14 years, that’s about as long as Obama’s illegal auntie who’s still hunkered down and living off the fat of the land in New York.

NahnCee on May 27, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Sad . . . this poor sick Republic is crumbling under its own weight. That brain dead supervisor can go straight to hell.

rplat on May 27, 2009 at 7:38 PM

the supervisor who complained has been in the United States for 14 years and is formerly from Africa.

Formerly from Africa? She’s from somewhere else now?

jdkchem on May 27, 2009 at 8:39 PM

I therefore believe it is my duty to my Country to love it; to support its Constitution; to obey its laws; to respect its flag, and to defend it againest all enemies.

The American’s Creed

TN Mom on May 27, 2009 at 8:45 PM

I am the Flag

by Ruth Apperson Rous
I am the flag of the United States of America.

I was born on June 14, 1777, in Philadelphia.

There the Continental Congress adopted my stars and stripes as the national flag.

My thirteen stripes alternating red and white, with a union of thirteen white stars in a field of blue, represented a new constellation, a new nation dedicated to the personal and religious liberty of mankind.

Today fifty stars signal from my union, one for each of the fifty sovereign states in the greatest constitutional republic the world has ever known.

My colors symbolize the patriotic ideals and spiritual qualities of the citizens of my country.

My red stripes proclaim the fearless courage and integrity of American men and boys and the self-sacrifice and devotion of American mothers and daughters.

My white stripes stand for liberty and equality for all.

My blue is the blue of heaven, loyalty, and faith.

I represent these eternal principles: liberty, justice, and humanity.

I embody American freedom: freedom of speech, religion, assembly, the press, and the sanctity of the home.

I typify that indomitable spirit of determination brought to my land by Christopher Columbus and by all my forefathers – the Pilgrims, Puritans, settlers at James town and Plymouth.

I am as old as my nation.

I am a living symbol of my nation’s law: the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights.

I voice Abraham Lincoln’s philosophy: “A government of the people, by the people,for the people.”

I stand guard over my nation’s schools, the seedbed of good citizenship and true patriotism.

I am displayed in every schoolroom throughout my nation; every schoolyard has a flag pole for my display.

Daily thousands upon thousands of boys and girls pledge their allegiance to me and my country.

I have my own law—Public Law 829, “The Flag Code” – which definitely states my correct use and display for all occasions and situations.

I have my special day, Flag Day. June 14 is set aside to honor my birth.

Americans, I am the sacred emblem of your country. I symbolize your birthright, your heritage of liberty purchased with blood and sorrow.

I am your title deed of freedom, which is yours to enjoy and hold in trust for posterity.

If you fail to keep this sacred trust inviolate, if I am nullified and destroyed, you and your children will become slaves to dictators and despots.

Eternal vigilance is your price of freedom.

As you see me silhouetted against the peaceful skies of my country, remind yourself that I am the flag of your country, that I stand for what you are – no more, no less.

Guard me well, lest your freedom perish from the earth.

Dedicate your lives to those principles for which I stand: “One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

I was created in freedom. I made my first appearance in a battle for human liberty.

God grant that I may spend eternity in my “land of the free and the home of the brave” and that I shall ever be known as “Old Glory,” the flag of the United States of America.

TN Mom on May 27, 2009 at 8:49 PM

The fact that the African woman was offended doesn’t surprise me. The fact the hospital caved in to her does. Well not that doesn’t either come to think of it. Corporations today are cesspools of PC stupidity. Another nail in the coffin that was once America.

angryed on May 27, 2009 at 9:14 PM

JetBoy on May 27, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Who are you and what have you done with the real jetboy?

angryed on May 27, 2009 at 9:18 PM

If my hypothetical African boss had a hypothetical African flag in her office and I took it down because it was “offensive”, well, you can guess the rest.

kellyjane on May 27, 2009 at 9:55 PM

Texas is the wrong place for someone to complain about being offended by the flag of the United States of American. And they damm well better not denigrate the Lone Star flag.

Johan Klaus on May 27, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Looks like the hospital staff Pelosied her, and blantantly lied about the reason she had to remove the flag.

paulsur on May 27, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Texas is the wrong place for someone to complain about being offended by the flag of the United States of American. And they damm well better not denigrate the Lone Star flag.

Johan Klaus on May 27, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Don’t just share that here. I just left a message on the hospital’s web site hoping that their moment of PC weakness and hoping that it costs them millions.

highhopes on May 27, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Welcome to the USSR. Obama is the new Khrushchev. Pretty soon he will be sending out his thugs to silence dissent.

ThomasB. on May 27, 2009 at 6:25 PM

acorn c o r n c o r n c o r n cor……..

Johan Klaus on May 27, 2009 at 10:17 PM

The symbol of the country offends people.
You can’t say Merry Christmas.
Marriage isn’t a bond between a man and a woman.
Judges judge based on how they feel about the defendents.

The end is near.

notagool on May 27, 2009 at 10:24 PM

My thoughts, whoever in this country is offended by this country’s flag, should get the hell out!!!!

But that’s just my opinion.

4shoes on May 27, 2009 at 10:28 PM

“Come and take it”

Johan Klaus on May 27, 2009 at 10:32 PM

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