Employer takes down Blue Star mom’s flag; Update: Hospital changes its mind; Update: No one said anything about size
posted at 12:50 pm on May 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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We’re getting a lot of e-mail on this story, and it’s not hard to see why. Kindred Hospital in Mansfield, Texas took down an American flag after getting complaints from Debbie McLucas’ co-workers and patients, who thought the display of the flag was offensive. McLucas, whose daughter is serving in Iraq, wonders whether her daughter has risked her life for nothing:
When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive. “I was just totally speechless. I was like, ‘You’re kidding me,’” McLucas said.
McLucas’ husband and sons are former military men. Her daughter is currently serving in Iraq as a combat medic.
Stifling a cry, McLucas said, “I just wonder if all those young men and women over there are really doing this for nothing.”
McLucas said the supervisor who complained has been in the United States for 14 years and is formerly from Africa. McLucas said the supervisor took down Debbie’s flag herself.
“The flag and the pole had been placed on the floor,” McLucas said. But McLucas also said hospital higher ups had told her some patients’ families and visitors had also complained.
“I was told it wouldn’t matter if it was only one person,” she said. “It would have to come down.”
In one very limited sense. McLucas makes the wrong argument. The property belongs to her employer, not herself, and they have the right to set the conditions of the workplace, within the safety regulations of the local, state, and federal laws. Technically, she doesn’t have the right to display the flag at her workstation, and the large flag she displays for the camera might have provided a basis for complaint on limited space or other considerations.
However, according to McLucas, that wasn’t the reason they took down her flag. They removed it because the American flag offended people. What about the flag offended them? If the flag offensed them at McLucas’ desk, why doesn’t the flag outside the hospital offend them, too, which the hospital said would remain? If it was a Pittsburgh Steelers flag in this Dallas suburb, I could understand it, but the American flag is the symbol of the nation in which these people choose to live.
The notion that the American flag would give such offense that one single complaint about it would prompt the hospital to remove it is patently absurd, and one suspects that Kindred lacks an HR director with sufficient testicular fortitude to tell the supervisor involved to pay more attention to his work than McLucas’ flag.
Watch the video at the link.
Update: Blue star, not Gold. My apologies.
Update II: Via College Politico’s Twitter feed, it appears that Kindred has had a change of heart (same link as above):
Wednesday morning, however, our story received nationwide attention. We have received dozens of emails and comments from people who had something to say about it. And a receptionist at Kindred’s headquarters told us they received many phone calls.
Then, late Wednesday morning, Kindred posted on its website a statement about the incident. It reads, in part: “The disagreement was over the size of the flag and not what it symbolized. We have invited the employee to put the flag back up.”
Well, if size was the problem, why are they now not concerned about it? I think that if Kindred had told her to use a smaller flag, she would have had no problem in complying. Looks like Kindred wants to apply some rapid healing to their collective rear end after having it kicked all over the media today. Anyway, they came to the right decision … eventually.
Update III: The CBS station has updated its story again, and McLucas says the hospital’s CEO called her personally to apologize. However, she also says that no one told her that the size of the flag was the problem:
But she says when she was first told the flag had to go, nobody mentioned anything about its size.
“At no point was I afforded the opportunity — [no one said,] ‘Hey Deb, could you get a one and a half by three and a half and hang it instead of hanging this three by five?’” McLucas said.
I’d be a lot more impressed if Kindred had just admitted, “One of our supervisors and one of our managers screwed up. Of course the American flag is not offensive, and we apologize to Mrs. McLucas for the error.” That would have done wonders for their credibility.
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The American flag is offensive… to enemies of America.
profitsbeard on May 27, 2009 at 10:33 PM
The question is, who’s military.
Johan Klaus on May 27, 2009 at 10:54 PM
As others have said, if the flag offends you, then leave the country for which it stands!
INC on May 27, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Welcome to the age of ChimpyO…where America needs to learn how to treat others from the rest of the world.
csdeven on May 27, 2009 at 11:12 PM
How did you spend Memorial Day? I spent mine standing in the rain, holding THAT FLAG!
http://www.stltoday.com/mds/news/html/2440
I didn’t know U.S. Air Force Lt. Roslyn Schulte, I’m not Jewish, nor am I a veteran. I’m just a grateful guy with a flag.
Pole-Cat on May 28, 2009 at 12:09 AM
If I were in McLucas’ place and saw my American flag torn down and lying in a heap on my chair, that other supervisor had better have the E.R on speeddial.
Crusty on May 28, 2009 at 12:23 AM
My 11yo got to do Color Guard at a Memorial Day ceremony for the first time this past weekend. He was quite thrilled to display our colors. I was quite proud he stood there for almost 2 hours (he’s never stood still before!)
I just can’t imagine someone telling me our flag is offensive. And this happened in Texas? I’m just dumbfounded.
jusgottabeme on May 28, 2009 at 12:29 AM
An American flag is the best medicine for me. Nothing can be as healing to any patient as seeing the American flag in a privately run hospital in America where you know you are getting the best health care in the world.
Dollayo on May 28, 2009 at 1:00 AM
Things are getting too close for comfort to the situation in the UK, where local authorities frequently order private home owners to remove the Union Jack from their own property because it “offends Muslims.”
Sharke on May 28, 2009 at 1:10 AM
I put up a 20′ flagpole in July 08. Eight flags are currently in rotation. 50 Star, Betsy Ross, Gilford Courthouse, Israel and First Stars and Bars are among them. The liberal neighbor says, “He is a patriot.” Libs are so easy.
Flying Betsy Ross
Caststeel on May 28, 2009 at 1:20 AM
Wanna bet that the nurse from Africa is Muslim.
kaye on May 28, 2009 at 3:54 AM
14 years ago, we had the same flag. No one is refusing to let this African immigrant return to the cess-pit country from which they came. The discussion here has been about putting up a wall to keep people from ENTERING illegally, not to keep them from leaving.
PS Anyone want to wager that this African practices the “religion of peace”?
oldleprechaun on May 28, 2009 at 6:16 AM
Not to mention the flag was in her own cubical, and that she was a supervisor along with the complaining supervisor in an office shared by supervisors.
The removal of the flag from her cubical by a co-worker, tossed on the floor, THAT’S unacceptable. She put her hands on her co-worker’s property in her co-worker’s cubical, bad enough, but then not even to fold it and place it on the desk!
The African supervisor would mistreat AND TRUMP a military mom supervisor until public outcry forced defense posture: WHERE IS THE APOLOGY?
maverick muse on May 28, 2009 at 6:20 AM
If the flag was attached to a poll, I would assume it was standing. That would not take up much room at all. Therefore, the size of the actual flag is irrelevant. Or, am I mistaken?
Blake on May 28, 2009 at 6:29 AM
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How much would it cost to FedX the supervisor to Nairobi?
darktood on May 28, 2009 at 7:59 AM
I live in the suburbs of Dallas and this has been big news here, obviously. The radio station I listen to has been talking about it a lot. According to them, there were people protesting outside the hospital after the story carrying American flags (as people have pointed out, this is Texas). And all of the comments I read on the story at the Dallas Morning News website were all the same – if the other lady is offended by the American flag, she can go back where she came from.
I remember when I was a teenager in Kentucky, my mom always loved driving down the main highway through town. The family of a classmate of mine owns (maybe owned, considering its Chevy) a car dealership where they flew a HUGE American flag, the largest I’d ever seen at the time. She always loved to see this flag when she drove by. She taught me the larger the flag, the better.
Alia on May 28, 2009 at 8:06 AM
The stupid animal who forced that woman to take down the flag should be deported back to his cesspool country immediately.
LODGE4 on May 28, 2009 at 8:08 AM
Amen, Brother.
Saltysam on May 28, 2009 at 8:40 AM
Excellent point.
Saltysam on May 28, 2009 at 8:41 AM
Excellent point.
If it is standing, then it takes up about as much floor space as a smaller flag.
The difference would be insignificant.
Obviously, the flag offended all the hypocrites that hide behind it for safety and comfort.
Saltysam on May 28, 2009 at 8:46 AM
Post the name of the supervisor that wanted the flag removed.
NRA Lifer on May 28, 2009 at 9:03 AM
Just a nit – the lady’s flag was probably attached to a POLE.
It’s the flag that Obama wears on his lapel that is attached to a POLL.
drunyan8315 on May 28, 2009 at 9:19 AM
America is becoming like Israel. we need a gaza strip and a west bank or East coast and West coast settlements for anti Americans. They could bomb each other out of the Ayers book and burn the flag. do all kinds of things the uncivilized glory in.
seven on May 28, 2009 at 10:16 AM
Let’s not be inhumane. I found a ticket on Expedia: Austin to Nairobi via KLM just $1,329. I’ll pay for it, if someone can guarantee to get her to the Austin airport and into the plane.
DarkCurrent on May 28, 2009 at 2:12 PM
Oh, and I promise to pay her a stipend of $10 US per month for 3 years. She’ll live better than an Obama!
DarkCurrent on May 28, 2009 at 2:17 PM
I’ve e-mailed the hospital that they are bunch of morons and wished them millions in lost profit as a result of this idiocy but let’s put it into perspective. This was an insane (mis)management decision that was essentially a minor tiff between co-workers.
But is also an accomplishment of note. All managers deal with such situations on a daily basis because a significant proportion of a manager’s job is to keep the kids working and playing well with one another. It truly takes excellence in incompetence to take a spat over an American flag into a national news story. It was even on local talk radio here in Washington DC this morning. Think about that. Some African immigrant found the American flag offensive in Mansfield, Texas, and folks are calling in about it in the nation’s capitol. Those managers need to be recognized for the way they let this situation get nuclear.
Note to Obama: These are precisely the kind of managers your filthy administration needs to botch the trillions of debt you and your party are foisting on my great grandchildren. They will not think. They will not question. They will not exercise common sense. These are the kinds of “professionals” a filthy bastard like you needs to gain traction with all your bad stewardship. If the DMV system runs out of potential candiates, you might consider the folks at Kindred-Mansfield.
highhopes on May 28, 2009 at 8:17 PM
In this statement was the seed of a great lawsuit
Although I assume it was anti Americanism that caused the flag to come down, the unequal treatment would at least have made some big bucks, especially if there was no flag display policy in place
The US flag is not like refrigerator magnets, pictures of kids and stuffed toys. There is a long tradition (until this decade) of bringing out the US flag for patriotic reason without having to ask permission. That politically correct folk pretend there was no tradition is part of the redefinition of American insitutions. ‘Cheap symbol of patriotism’ Obama is the flag bearer for the anti american flag brigade
I would not assume it was customers of the hospital who were most offended by the flag. It is quite possible that members of management were the only ones offended, or more offended than patrons, but blaming customers is a useful dodge when caught dogging our sacred symbol
entagor on May 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM
What’s up with Texas?
Vet’s Patriotic Stickers Under Fire
Pole-Cat on May 30, 2009 at 3:57 AM
I’m a native Californian who moved to Tennessee 4 years ago. I had to assure folks at work that I left California in my rear-view mirror; I had no intention of bringing any of it with me. I only missed Trader Joe’s; now we have one in Nashville so life is good.
I feel bad for the spread of Californianism into other states, but let me tell you that there ARE a few of us who left to get away, not to drag it along with us.
friendlygrizzly on May 30, 2009 at 10:10 PM
I received a response from Kindred:
“Thank you for your comments. We share your anger and hurt about the removal of the flag. It is very important to clarify that a misunderstanding has been communicated through the media. The supervisor that is described in the media is actually the co-worker of Ms. McLucas and not Ms. McLucas’s immediate supervisor. The incident was two nursing supervisors who got into a dispute. It was wrong and disrespectful and as soon as we learned about it, we took immediate action to correct the situation. The flag is now proudly displayed once again, and we apologize to all who were equally offended by this unpatriotic action, including the owner of the flag. We have reprimanded the employee and let them know we don’t tolerate behavior inconsistent with our Company’s values.”
SandyToes on May 31, 2009 at 8:33 AM
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