Obama losing on Gitmo

posted at 12:12 pm on May 26, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

No wonder Dick Cheney’s popularity is rebounding.  While Barack Obama continues to insist that the detention center at Guantanamo Bay makes the US less safe, the majority of American voters disagree with that statement.  Almost a majority favors keeping it open, according to Rasmussen’s latest polling on the subject, and by more than a 2-1 difference oppose moving any of its detainees to the United States, as suggested by the administration (via Power Line):

Forty-nine percent (49%) of voters nationwide now disagree with President Barack Obama’s decision to close the prison camp for suspected terrorists at the Guantanamo Naval Base in Cuba. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey, conducted after the President’s speech on Guantanamo last week, shows that 38% agree with his decision.

Just 25% share the President’s view that the Guantanamo camp weakened national security. Fifty-one percent (51%) disagree with that perspective.

And, by a 57% to 28% margin, voters oppose moving any of the suspected terrorists to prisons in the United States. Republicans and voters not affiliated with either major party strongly oppose transfers to U.S. prisons. Democrats are evenly divided.

A year ago, when both presidential candidates insisted on closing Gitmo, they had the popular wind at their backs.  Rasmussen polled 59% approval for closing the facility at that point, which dropped to 49% at the election, and 42% on Inauguration Day.  The path has trended sharply downward, especially as the question moved from academic to pragmatic.

The crosstabs are interesting.  More men than women have an opinion on this topic — and both oppose closing Gitmo.  Women are much more adamant about keeping terrorists out of the US; they oppose relocating Gitmo inmates to the US by a 60-22 margin, a bigger split than men at 53-34.  On that question, every age demographic opposes the idea, as does every ethnic demographic, almost all by majorities (only blacks have a plurality against, rather than a majority).  Only self-identified liberals and people making over $100,000 a year support the idea of transferring Gitmo detainees here.

As for Obama’s argument that Gitmo weakened American security, most people aren’t buying that, either.  Women reject it by more than 2-1 (52-21), and all but the youngest voters have majorities disagreeing.  The $100K+ earners reject it 52-38, even while supporting the idea of bringing Gitmo inmates to the US.

Would this have been different for John McCain?  Perhaps not, but McCain may have thought through some solutions to Gitmo before issuing an executive order for its closure.  Obama appears to be floundering on Gitmo now, and the American people now agree more with Dick Cheney than Obama on national security.  That’s not a good sign for this administration.


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Obama losing on Gitmo

portlandon on May 26, 2009 at 12:13 PM

I saw that earlier. Quite a surprize really.

petunia on May 26, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Obama is a losinger on Gitmo.

portlandon on May 26, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Fixed

jbh45 on May 26, 2009 at 12:15 PM

I don’t see how this is surprising.

People ARE waking up and going NIMBY concerning terrorists and the possibility of them being your next door neighbor.

It isn’t like they are going to Mr. Rodgers or the Beavers next door!

upinak on May 26, 2009 at 12:17 PM

I said it in the headlines article, but I’ll say it here, too.

It’s clear that Obama will eventually back down from his position. As everyone knows, all statements from Obama come with expiration dates.

So, how do the Republicans frame Obama eventually deciding not to close Guantanamo despite his promise to do so in a way that will resonate with voters?

They can/will say he says things without thinking and is too naive, but with the media there eager to frame it as such a great decision and provide no context, and these numbers saying no, I don’t see how this can be a good thing for Republicans. (Not to say it has to be bad for them, either)

amkun on May 26, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Obama is not “losing”.

He doesn’t really care if we close Gitmo. He has already gained power.

Owning banks and car companies enables leftists to gain further power and take over the country.

faraway on May 26, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Forty-nine percent (49%) of voters nationwide now disagree with President Barack Obama’s decision to close the prison camp for suspected terrorists at the Guantanamo Naval Base in Cuba

And, by a 57% to 28% margin, voters oppose moving any of the suspected terrorists to prisons in the United States. Republicans and voters not affiliated with either major party strongly oppose transfers to U.S. prisons. Democrats are evenly divided.

Racism, straight up.

Knucklehead on May 26, 2009 at 12:20 PM

He lost when he made a complete fool of himself at the news conference announcing the closure when his lawyer had to shout instructions to him from the back of the room. Obama is an ignorant, incompetent fool.

echosyst on May 26, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Maybe some people actually respect the Constitution more than Obama does.

Obama has already admitted that some prisoners would have to be held indefinately, without charges, and never be tried in a court of law. So by moving them to US prisons he knows they will eventually be let go, or he’s willing to violate the Constitution to continue holding them.

What he does will depend on how close the next election is.

Jaynie59 on May 26, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Why doesn’t Obama just rename the facility H1N1?

Exurban Jon on May 26, 2009 at 12:20 PM

well if Obama is truly concerned about his reputation as well all know he is, then he will change his mind about Gitmo.

This seems oddly reminiscent of Clinton, who made decisions based on whichever way the wind blew the polls upward.

therightscoop on May 26, 2009 at 12:20 PM

upinak on May 26, 2009 at 12:17 PM

But Obama said that he would house them in Supermax prisons.
Of course, he downplayed the part about them going to trial first and possibly being let loose. Evidently, the American people were actually paying attention when the POTUS spoke about this.

kingsjester on May 26, 2009 at 12:21 PM

So if Ogabe fails to close Gitmo would that make him a torturer, liar, warmonger, imperialistic thug or all of the above?

CodePinko and MorOn.org need to know which slogans to use for their anti-Ogabe signs.

Bishop on May 26, 2009 at 12:22 PM

But Obama said that he would house them in Supermax prisons.
Of course, he downplayed the part about them going to trial first and possibly being let loose. Evidently, the American people were actually paying attention when the POTUS spoke about this.

kingsjester on May 26, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Then WTF is GITMO is not a “Supermax” prison?

upinak on May 26, 2009 at 12:23 PM

His own attorney general pronounced GITMO to be a first class facility. Idiots.

echosyst on May 26, 2009 at 12:23 PM

It’s clear that Obama will eventually back down from his position. As everyone knows, all statements from Obama come with expiration dates.

amkun on May 26, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Opening line from Bambi’s backing-down speech: “As I’ve always said …”

PackerBronco on May 26, 2009 at 12:24 PM

It’s a miracle! The main stream press reports on VP Cheney’s comments and lo and behold America’s eyes are opened. Conservatives must find a way to get their message out.

Vince on May 26, 2009 at 12:25 PM

So if Ogabe fails to close Gitmo would that make him a torturer, liar, warmonger, imperialistic thug or all of the above?

No it would make it Bush’s fault. Why drop a winning strategy? I think the advent of email has made Congress increasingly aware of their constituents feelings, regardless of whether they agree or not.

Cindy Munford on May 26, 2009 at 12:27 PM

So if Ogabe fails to close Gitmo would that make him a torturer, liar, warmonger, imperialistic thug or all of the above?

CodePinko and MorOn.org need to know which slogans to use for their anti-Ogabe signs.

Bishop on May 26, 2009 at 12:22 PM

See “Rules For MSM,” Page 322, Paragraph 3:

When conservatives do it, it’s wrong. When liberals do it, it’s right. When it is impossible to spin it as right for liberals, ignore it.

Daggett on May 26, 2009 at 12:27 PM

upinak on May 26, 2009 at 12:23 PM

The whole deal was that the Far Left contended that we are violating these poor, misunderstood men’s rights by holding them without a trial. Therefore, Barry was going give them all a fair trial here in America, as if they were American Criminals instead of sworn foreign enemies of our country.
He is finding out that not only do the majority of Americans not care if these barbarians’ “rights” are violated, they don’t want them anywhere in this country, period. So that brought on that failure of a speech he made and an ever-shifting stance on GITMO.

kingsjester on May 26, 2009 at 12:29 PM

He will solve the problem by simply changinge Gitmo’s name to Camp Happy Happy and claim to have kept his promise and the media will applaud his intellect.

chromium on May 26, 2009 at 12:31 PM

hehe, Crash & Burn

FontanaConservative on May 26, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Obama apparently based his decision on closing Chrysler dealerships based on whether they were GOP donors or not.

GOP should start calling him on this shit. I know they are winning on national security but why hasn’t GOP made any fuss over wanton closing of these dealerships and Steve Rattner’s threats? The dumb party needs to wise up and wise up quickly.

promachus on May 26, 2009 at 12:32 PM

The Gitmo prisoners need to stay right where they are. As the debate brings the issue to the forefront, busy American’s are finding out the truth and realize Gitmo IS the answer.

Right now Gitmo prisoners are cutoff from the outside world. Could you imagine hard core terrorists in Federal prisons? They would recruit. They would disrupt the prison population. They would network and reconnect with the outside world and may even start planning terror attacks from the inside. All of that puts us all in much greater danger. The American people are realizing that.

Ordinary1 on May 26, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Cindy Munford on May 26, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Well at least the anti-everything marchers can “go green” and recycle their signage by not worrying that the Torturer in Chief no longer goes by the name “Bush”.

Bishop on May 26, 2009 at 12:34 PM

General Petreaus on closing gitmo (Sunday for Radio Free Europe):

Petraeus: I think, on balance, that those moves help it. In fact, I have long been on record as having testified and also in helping write doctrine for interrogation techniques that are completely in line with the Geneva Convention. And as a division commander in Iraq in the early days, we put out guidance very early on to make sure that our soldiers, in fact, knew that we needed to stay within those guidelines.

With respect to Guantanamo, I think that the closure in a responsible manner, obviously one that is certainly being worked out now by the Department of Justice — I talked to the attorney general the other day [and] they have a very intensive effort ongoing to determine, indeed, what to do with the detainees who are left, how to deal with them in a legal way, and if continued incarceration is necessary — again, how to take that forward.

But doing that in a responsible manner, I think, sends an important message to the world, as does the commitment of the United States to observe the Geneva Convention when it comes to the treatment of detainees.

okonkolo on May 26, 2009 at 12:35 PM

People ARE waking up

upinak on May 26, 2009 at 12:17 PM

I had a BBQ over memorial day, with a mix of libs,mods, cons, & O worshipers (my neighbors & friends) and can tell you that with exception of the O worshippers, people are growing disenchanted with Obama. I heard alot of “does he even know what he’s doing?” & “How much time does Obama need to learn that he is wrong on closing Gitmo?”

Is there an awakening? I think there may be.

portlandon on May 26, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Bishop on May 26, 2009 at 12:22 PM
They will just give him a strongly worded letter.

FontanaConservative on May 26, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Obama losing on Gitmo

Because that’s all that matters right? That Obama “lose.”

Grow Fins on May 26, 2009 at 12:39 PM

He lost when he made a complete fool of himself at the news conference announcing the closure when his lawyer had to shout instructions to him from the back of the room. Obama is an ignorant, incompetent fool.

echosyst on May 26, 2009 at 12:20 PM

0:40

“Uh, what am I signing again? What are we doing with the detainees? Oh thats not in here? Oh we are going to set up a process.”

If he does backtrack on this and keeps it open the GOP needs to run with this to show that he is naive and didn’t know what the hell he was getting himself into from the start.

Joe Caps on May 26, 2009 at 12:42 PM

He doesn’t really care if we close Gitmo. He has already gained power.

Owning banks and car companies enables leftists to gain further power and take over the country.

faraway on May 26, 2009 at 12:19 PM

I think this is true. It gives the people who oppose his policies the illusion that the tide may be turning, but in reality, he doesn’t care. After all, Gitmo is the right place for these people to be. In the end, like you stated or implied, the gub’mint and unions gain control of the important businesses, the finances, and the SC, and any opposition is screwed with the help of the main stream media, and all that was needed to be done to appease, was to toss a couple of meaningless crumbs along the way.

Time is short imo.

Itchee Dryback on May 26, 2009 at 12:43 PM

And my question to Petreaus would be why? Why do you think Guantanamo is in violation of the Geneva convention? It isn’t. And as I have said before, if I was a prisoner, I would rather be housed there than any other high security prison.

Blake on May 26, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Obama probably struggles each morning with, which shoe goes on which foot. This might explain his ineptitude at making, and sticking to decisions. lol

But I think it’s more, to stay popular, that he flails around.

capejasmine on May 26, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Because that’s all that matters right? That Obama “lose.”

Grow Fins on May 26, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Obama is an empty suit…a blank screen for the policies of leftest zombies. When “he” loses, the zombies lose.

That is all that matters.

Itchee Dryback on May 26, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Bishop on May 26, 2009 at 12:34 PM

LOL! It’s always rainbows for you. Save money time and space. Wait, aren’t those conservative values? It’s going to confuse some folks. The word “Green” is starting to make me want to litter.

Cindy Munford on May 26, 2009 at 12:49 PM

It isn’t like they are going to Mr. Rodgers or the Beavers next door!

upinak on May 26, 2009 at 12:17 PM

The Beavers? You mean the Cleavers?

Daggett on May 26, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Because that’s all that matters right? That Obama “lose.”

Grow Fins on May 26, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Yes, but I feel that way about all of America’s enemies.

LibTired on May 26, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Because that’s all that matters right? That Obama “lose.”

Grow Fins on May 26, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Why do you fixate on trivialities like that when there’s a serious matter of national security being discussed?

DarkCurrent on May 26, 2009 at 12:55 PM

The Beavers? You mean the Cleavers?

Daggett on May 26, 2009 at 12:52 PM

LOL you are right.. I meant Cleaver.. thinking leave it to Beaver!

upinak on May 26, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Because that’s all that matters right? That Obama “lose.”

Grow Fins on May 26, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Wasn’t that all that mattered to the left, when they unleashed a flood gate of rumors, lies, and vitriol on Palin, and her daughter? When they attacked McCain, and his wife, for having the audacity to campaing against….Obama? Wasn’t that the objective, when they relentlessly attacked Bush, and his administration?

Now Obama, for all his contempt, and constant reminders that McCain would just be 4 more years of Bush, and we’re seeing Obama carry on many of the Bush policies, and ideals.

I guess I’m curious as to where you’re coming from on Obama? So many cheered when he opposed Bush policies…do you oppose Obama now, for using them now?

capejasmine on May 26, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Because that’s all that matters right? That Obama “lose.”

Grow Fins on May 26, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Being how wrong he is on so much, it’s a start.

Don’t you also want to see him lose on his budget that creates trillion dollar deficits for a decade?

I sure do.

Chuck Schick on May 26, 2009 at 12:57 PM

LOL you are right.. I meant Cleaver.. thinking leave it to Beaver!

upinak on May 26, 2009 at 12:56 PM

That’s what I thought. :D

I guess they never could have imagined at that time that the name “Beaver Cleaver” would become wrong on so many levels.

Daggett on May 26, 2009 at 12:58 PM

LOL you are right.. I meant Cleaver.. thinking leave it to Beaver!

upinak on May 26, 2009 at 12:56 PM

They are both correct. Beaver Cleaver!!! I am old what can I tell you.

Cindy Munford on May 26, 2009 at 1:00 PM

prop 8 upheld

Time for the most fabulous rioting evah!!!

battleoflepanto1571 on May 26, 2009 at 1:07 PM

He will solve the problem by simply changinge Gitmo’s name to Camp Happy Happy and claim to have kept his promise and the media will applaud his intellect.
chromium on May 26, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Obama will have to do a lot more rehabilitation of Camp Inhumane Treatment, Illegal Detainment, Koran Flushing than a simple rename. My guess is Bambi is already trying to cover his patootie by tasking his MSM with some serious backpedalling on all the trash talk about Club Gitmo they’ve done for the past years.

AS for Bam’s intellect, anyone seen any grades yet?

marybel on May 26, 2009 at 1:08 PM

When Obama loses, the world wins.

BobMbx on May 26, 2009 at 1:09 PM

One last piece of the puzzle remains for 0-bama. He’s got to figure out a way to blame Bush for the fact that Gitmo will stay open.

Cicero43 on May 26, 2009 at 1:12 PM

When it comes to making America less safe nothing even comes close to Obama’s pre-election demand that Iraq be conceded to al Qaeda and Iran. Conceding Iraq to al Qaeda would have created a veritable recruiting boon for al Qaeda. And access to oil money.

I’m tired hearing these clueless claims that Gitmo and waterboarding create Islamic terrorists. What creates Islamic terrorists is their Koran and our weakness.

Nothing succeeds like success. Nothing created terrorists like the prospect of success in Iraq. They were flooding into Iraq in 2005 and 2006. After they got the shit kicked out of them in 2007 and 2008 by The Surge the flood of volunteers dried up.

Anyone willing to trust the genius who wanted to concede Iraq to al Qaeda with the national security of the United States is a dimwit with no foresight.

Basilsbest on May 26, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Compare and contrast. Send a camera crew to Gitmo and then a maximum security prison. Anyone who wants to move these prisoners from Gitmo to a maximum security prison is unconcerned about their comfort.

Hope and Change. From bad to brutal.

Basilsbest on May 26, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Nobody voted last November because of Gitmo. Even libtards don’t care about it as long as the President is a Democrat.

Speedwagon82 on May 26, 2009 at 1:41 PM

capejasmine

Yes.

Grow Fins on May 26, 2009 at 1:45 PM


More people died in the back of Ted Kennedy’s car than in Gitmo.

Gitmo and Obama’s foray into the torture issue was his first step in appeasing his left wing base and their psychosis concerning President Bush.

It has blown up totally in their face with the revelations that democrats supported the War on Terror policies that they now condemn and that they have no viable solutions to the policies that they accused Bush of being a war criminal in instituting.

exceptions are some of the few Bush policies that Obama has not embraced and continued to use with his liberal friends and the press proclaiming that what used to be war crimes,is now “smart power”.

Liberals are finding out that reality is a bitc# and they can’t sit on the sidelines anymore whining and pointing fingers.

Baxter Greene on May 26, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Ed and Conservative Bloggers and talk radio hosts: thanks.

Don’t think for a minute that the majority of Americans would get past the ObamaMedia whole cloth so quickly if it were not for conservatives keeping the obvious reality FRONT AND CENTER arguing against the fictitious Matthew Alexander and the pathetic warriors turned saboteurs against our Constitutional Government, now bought and paid for politicians.

It may not be convenient at the moment.
It may not be comfortable to undertake.
It may seem overwhelming from the daily grind.

Most people tend to clam up when they find themselves either threatened or unpopular. They need a focal point.

Keeping the most significant points in the airwaves DOES make the difference with significant influence EVEN IF COMING FROM THE BACKGROUND, swamped by the MSM. Goliath remains fallible.

maverick muse on May 26, 2009 at 1:48 PM

I had a BBQ over memorial day, with a mix of libs,mods, cons, & O worshipers (my neighbors & friends) and can tell you that with exception of the O worshippers, people are growing disenchanted with Obama. I heard alot of “does he even know what he’s doing?” & “How much time does Obama need to learn that he is wrong on closing Gitmo?”

Is there an awakening? I think there may be.

portlandon on May 26, 2009 at 12:36 PM

I have the same hope. But it’s shocking how many people will support him without doing any research on any issues.

You think people have doubts now, wait ’til they see what he does (or rather doesn’t do) about Nork and Iran.

hawksruleva on May 26, 2009 at 1:49 PM

You think people have doubts now, wait ’til they see what he does (or rather doesn’t do) about Nork and Iran.

hawksruleva on May 26, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Grounds for impeachment and removal from office.

maverick muse on May 26, 2009 at 1:50 PM

One last piece of the puzzle remains for 0-bama. He’s got to figure out a way to blame Bush for the fact that Gitmo will stay open.

Cicero43 on May 26, 2009 at 1:12 PM

He’ll bring some Imams to cleanse the place of evil “taint” as Gates references it, and dedicate it to Islam as the resort it is for their “downtrodden” misunderstood members.

Presentation. Image. “Face.” Bipartisanship reenacting Nixon’s/KISSINGER’S “peace with honor” rhetoric alongside (premature) withdrawal. Watch Obama worship alongside the Imams just to make it all officially great.

maverick muse on May 26, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Because that’s all that matters right? That Obama “lose.”

Grow Fins on May 26, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Yes, Dear.

Del Dolemonte on May 26, 2009 at 2:02 PM

They are both correct. Beaver Cleaver!!! I am old what can I tell you.

Cindy Munford on May 26, 2009 at 1:00 PM

And his “real” name was Theodore.

But why was he called “The Beaver” in the opening credits, but during the show mostly just called “Beaver” or “Beeve” without “The” in front of it?

Who cares about Gitmo? Lumpy Rutherford rules!

Del Dolemonte on May 26, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Latest DHS memo: To prevent further offense to man-caused-disaster-causing men, Gitmo will now be known as Deathtoamericaville.

Jim Treacher on May 26, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 26, 2009 at 2:05 PM

And how many Eddy Haskels have we all known? I wouldn’t have the guts to do it to a child but I had a dog named Theodore Bear.

Jim Treacher on May 26, 2009 at 2:07 PM

That could be a fun thread unto itself, rename GITMO.

Cindy Munford on May 26, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Obama already got the mileage he wanted out of announcing the closing of Gitmo — complete with his ludicrous signing ceremony. Whatever happens now, to the facility itself or to the detainees, is an afterthought to this President. The actual outcome will be spun whichever way is necessary when it happens, by his staff and by a compliant media.

It’s all campaign, all the time. Form over substance.

cruadin on May 26, 2009 at 2:32 PM

He will solve the problem by simply changinge Gitmo’s name to Camp Happy Happy and claim to have kept his promise and the media will applaud his intellect.

chromium on May 26, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Camp Unicorn

txag92 on May 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM

And how many Eddy Haskels have we all known? I wouldn’t have the guts to do it to a child but I had a dog named Theodore Bear.

Cindy Munford on May 26, 2009 at 2:32 PM

The classic tv comedy show SCTV did an absolutely hilarious spoof of “Leave it to Beaver”…Ward was a drunk who poured whisky on his corn flakes for breakfast, June was having a torrid affair with Fred Rutherford, and by the end of the “episode” Beaver ended up gunning down Eddie Haskell in cold blood.

John Candy played “The Beaver” brilliantly. RIP John.

Del Dolemonte on May 26, 2009 at 3:56 PM

He will solve the problem by simply changinge Gitmo’s name to Camp Happy Happy Hopenchange and claim to have kept his promise and the media will applaud his intellect.

chromium on May 26, 2009 at 12:31 PM

FIFY.

Steve Z on May 26, 2009 at 4:10 PM

He will solve the problem by simply changinge Gitmo’s name to Camp Happy Happy Hopenchange Cambio y Esperanza and claim to have kept his promise and the media will applaud his intellect.

chromium on May 26, 2009 at 12:31 PM
FIFY.

My bad. In Cuba, se habla espanol.

Steve Z on May 26, 2009 at 4:12 PM

John Candy played “The Beaver” brilliantly. RIP John.

Del Dolemonte on May 26, 2009 at 3:56 PM

I loved SCTV, but then I’m dating myself again.

Well, I WAS dating myself, but then we broke up. We had nothing in common.

Daggett on May 26, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Obama has run into the teeth of NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) on Gitmo–nobody wants the terrorists anywhere near themselves, not even in foreign countries.

So if Obambi REALLY wants to close Gitmo, he’ll have to send the detainees to Antarctica, where there is no one to object.

Until a lawsuit is filed by the ASPCP–the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Penguins.

Steve Z on May 26, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Because that’s all that matters right? That Obama “lose.”

Grow Fins on May 26, 2009 at 12:39 PM

A most emphatic YES. Next?

ddrintn on May 26, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Most of that 49% voted for The One…then when they heard these guys could be in their states they suddenly decided the Bush Administration’s Gitmo thing wasn’t such a bad idea after all.

Actually, the only reason Gitmo’s an issue is because the Leftists made it into one.

When I first heard about these guys being sent there I thought, “Oh, really. That’s nice.”

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 27, 2009 at 3:05 AM

Because that’s all that matters right? That Obama “lose.”

Grow Fins on May 26, 2009 at 12:39 PM

A most emphatic YES. Next?

ddrintn on May 26, 2009 at 4:52 PM

That’s no better than the libtard agenda in 2008.

Dark-Star on August 9, 2010 at 12:33 AM